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[malaise]

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http://vimeo.com/67739294
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John Pilger's 'The War You Don't See' (2011) is a powerful and timely investigation into the media's role in war, tracing the history of 'embedded' and independent reporting from the carnage of World War One to the destruction of Hiroshima, and from the invasion of Vietnam to the current war in Afghanistan and disaster in Iraq. As weapons and propaganda become even more sophisticated, the nature of war is developing into an 'electronic battlefield' in which journalists play a key role, and civilians are the victims. But who is the real enemy?

John Pilger says in the film: "We journalists... have to be brave enough to defy those who seek our collusion in selling their latest bloody adventure in someone else's country... That means always challenging the official story, however patriotic that story may appear, however seductive and insidious it is. For propaganda relies on us in the media to aim its deceptions not at a far away country but at you at home... In this age of endless imperial war, the lives of countless men, women and children depend on the truth or their blood is on us... Those whose job it is to keep the record straight ought to be the voice of people, not power."

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[countryjake]

1. Banned in the US...

so I thank you for posting this.

I'd order one, too, (make a nice gift) but it costs too dang much. It's good that it's available online now and I'm going to watch it during football-madness tonight. Thanks again!



The War You Don't See': A Film You Won't See
An Open Letter to Noam Chomsky and the General Public by John Pilger

Published on Saturday, June 11, 2011 by CommonDreams.org

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/11-4

[malaise]

2. Now why would they ban it - whatever happened to free speech?

Oh I know.

[kylie5432]

14. It is NOT banned - found it on Amazon and there are several copies left

Six copies available on Amazon. So it is apparently not banned.

[7962]

17. I was wondering....since when would something like that would be banned here. nt

[CrawlingChaos]

29. Banned from a major event hosted by a supposedly liberal foundation

If you read the link posted by countryjake, you'll see Pilger's film was pulled abruptly by Patrick Lannan himself from a big event at the Lannan Foundation in Santa Fe.

Left gatekeeping at work. John Pilger is not a "safe" liberal journalist like, say, Amy Goodman. Meaning, very powerful people are genuinely threatened by his work.

[BelgianMadCow]

3. Off to the greatest

We have to face the ugly facts before we can make true progress.

[malaise]

5. Yes indeed

[marmar]

4. k/r

[spanone]

6. k&r....

i have to believe we're still evolving and we're just not quite 'there'? yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. War is an ugly affair

and all the honor and glory in it are the fantasy of people who have never been there.

[malaise]

8. +1,000

That's the truth

[sendero]

26. +10000

.... exactly.

[westerebus]

9. You may want to post a graphic images warning.

[Curmudgeoness]

10. K&R. I don't have time right now

but I am going to watch this later. Thanks for posting it.

[avebury]

11. K&R nt

[riderinthestorm]

12. K&R. I haven't watched a war movie since I walked out of Platoon

So painful and horrific.

But will definitely K&R this since its important and matters

[malaise]

13. Watch this

[riderinthestorm]

15. I dunno (shivers). William Dafoe getting run down by the Vietcong

As the helicopters lifted off. ..



That was it for me. Went into the lobby and sobbed. Waited for my husband to come out when the film ended. I just can't endure the horror and pain. ..

For you though malaise... maybe.

[BelgianMadCow]

21. dunno, but

just because:

[malaise]

41. No I hate the killing too

but I watched this because I too want this to stop and in reality I'm watching - others felt that pain and slaughter for real.

[dixiegrrrrl]

16. I found it on Youtube.

Lots of Pilger stuff on YouTube.

[malaise]

36. Good to know

Thanks sis

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. You are welcome, malaise.

[font style=color:#FF0000;]there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?[/font]

[heaven05]

18. and we call ourselves civilized

been there, done that. Still with me 43 years later. Every person that can reason needs to see this. Banned in the U.S. I wonder why.

[Agony]

19. Pilger has put many of his documentaries

up on his youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/JustPilger/videos

"Year Zero" about Cambodia is worth watching albeit disturbing... as I consider the life of my vet friend who served in Cambodia/Laos, what have we done and continue to do... why.

this clip featuring Duane Clarridge from Pilger's "War on Democracy" has always stuck with me...

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{Yea, yea, yea... I know. Pilger is "anti-american"}

[malaise]

37. I think he's anti-war not Anti-American

just like me.

[BelgianMadCow]

20. having watched it in its entirety, I can only add

required viewing

[malaise]

35. They lie about everything

And they don't care who dies, whose lives are destroyed.
The only good news is that we now have ways to expose their criminality.

[Mojorabbit]

22. marked to watch later! nt

[zeemike]

23. just watched the whole thing.

Chilling is all that I can say....or it least it should be.
Our elite are a bunch of sociopath assholes and they get away with this shit, and we just go shopping.
When we ever learn?

[BelgianMadCow]

24. "When will we ever learn" - well I think "we" are learning, through the internet

the question is, how long will we be allowed to, and when do we achieve critical mass as opposed to the, well, forces of evil.

[zeemike]

25. A good point

We are learning, but we are a small minority...the ones that need to learn are out shopping for the lattes gadget at sale prices, while Rome burns.
We are a long way from critical mass...someone needs to pull some control rods.

[BelgianMadCow]

27. I agree that we're a long way from critical

but as far as control rods (a very good analogy!) being lifted: I think mother earth is doing that.

Also, when I read that 67 % of people in the EU dislike it's current (authoritarian, neoliberal, austerian) path, when I see the uprising spark travel from Tahrir to Spain and Greece to the US to Turkey and Brasil and Romania... there is a process in motion. But it's much more a feeling than a fact I can corroborate.

[zeemike]

28. Well I hope your feelings are correct.

But I know it is hard to wake people from a delusion without a lot of pain involved.

It reminds me of a quote by Tom Robbins about our times...
“Western civilization was declining too fast for comfort, but too slowly to be very exciting.”

[malaise]

39. 100% correct

[Scuba]

30. I'm afraid I look at this quite simplisticly ...

[5X]

31. While reading the description/caption under the movie...

I couldn't help but think of Lara Logan and her "collusion in selling their latest bloody adventure" in Iraq, Afghanistan.

[malaise]

34. Yes indeed

and Fucker Carlson defending her.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, malaise.

[TeeYiYi]

33. k+r ...nt

TYY

[solarhydrocan]

40. k+r Truth cuts like a knife

why some Democrats are not particularly amused by John Pilger

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. K&R. Thanks for posting. n/t

[Enthusiast]

43. K&R! nt

[idwiyo]

44. k&r