Every Young Man's Battle: The Reefer Madness of Porn

[arely staircase]

[RainDog]

1. LOL

Just say no to circle jerking.

Instead, let an older man help you maintain the upper hand...

[arely staircase]

2. right?

the counselor guy's scenes are just this side of "you look like you could use a massage."

[RainDog]

3. I can't tell if this is a parody or for real n/t

[arely staircase]

5. It is real (I am pretty sure). I wasn't sure at first either. Here is the whole movie.

At the end of porn blvd is death.

[loli phabay]

9. is there any other kind of ending, this stuff is comedy gold.

[arely staircase]

10. I am so glad I found this. nt

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

151. Of course,

like Dirk Digler in Boogie Nights!

[loli phabay]

4. rofl, you are bad.

[AndyA]

6. So, it's perfectly fine for students you counsel to come to your home at night? Alone?

"I'm available if you need me..."

The councilor came across as a total perv to me.

[arely staircase]

12. I know.

There is lots of homoerotic imagery throughout the movie - of which I have now almost watched all.

[JPZenger]

220. Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

[RiffRandell]

7. Reminds Me of the Gym Teachers in "But I'm a Cheerleader!" nt

[loli phabay]

11. lol, thats the slippery slope, next thing its hello magazine then onto hard core fetish

[RiffRandell]

41. You are cracking me up!

I got lucky as Mom wanted to go back to work when I started junior high...the only really bad thing regarding (gasp) sex was when my bf at the time was at my house at 3 am and we were on the couch and Dad came down at that time to go fishing as it was opening day.

We just hid under the afghan but I got a lecture like "I don't ever want to see that again"...yet we weren't doing anything at that point, just hanging and talking.

[notadmblnd]

176. Aaaah, the stories I could tell you. As a woman who has raised a son

I have a million stories, all hilarious. But you two are having a very amusing conversation and I'm enjoying it. Thanks.

[arely staircase]

13. lol nt

[RiffRandell]

14. I gave in after seeing The Outsiders, finding my Dad's Penthouse mags in

his closet and got my first "real" kiss. That fucking blew me away....I was like tongue? Nice!

[loli phabay]

15. lol, at yoir kiss line all i could think of was you finally have a skill to teach the sheep ala doug

Anthony allstars.

[RiffRandell]

18. You know the saying how you can't judge a book by it's cover?

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Same as kissing...bad kisser=bad in bed.

[AtheistCrusader]

61. Everyone's gotta start/learn somehow.

[RiffRandell]

65. Yeah, and I learned pretty fucking quick.

Unfortunately, some people didn't. Sucks for them.

[arely staircase]

24. one wonders

did the internet destroy the sociological phenomena of piles of penthouses and playboys found along bike trails in the woods?

[RiffRandell]

34. Don't forget Hustler and Swank.

Excluding those would be highly offensive. Playboy was like Cosmo...and for the most part my parents were cool and when the Playgirl mag came out with Rick Springfield posing in it my Mom bought it for me...I think I was in 6th or 7th grade...that got passed around to my friends.

Maybe that's where my life went downhill.

[arely staircase]

36. oui

that was always there too (on bike trails in the late 70s-early 80s.)

[RiffRandell]

44. I am laughing so fucking hard right now!

"You beat me to it"......hysterical.

[RiffRandell]

45. I don't remember that mag so just asked my husband and he does.

He said it was between Penthouse and Hustler. I feel so left out and uneducated.

[pokerfan]

93. and Gallery...

Back in my day, we had to work for our porn. Go outside, tramping through the woods, risking injury. Kids today don't know how good they have it.

[arely staircase]

96. yes gallery

And they'd have the kids finding it in safety helmets today. Any surprise the chinese are taking over the moon? You think their kids need helmets and goggles to find porn on dirtb bike trails?

[Art_from_Ark]

101. ...and Stag

which was freely available for 10-year-olds to peruse by the magazine stand at the local pharmacy cum soda fountain.

[Fumesucker]

111. A cum soda fountain?

Now I've heard everything..

[Fumesucker]

113. Lends a whole new meaning to the term Cream Soda

Not to mention Soda Jerk.

[pokerfan]

128. i.e. a protein shake?

[zappaman]

43. I found my dads OUI

First issue.
The cover is engrained in my mind.
A girl shot from behind sitting on the beach.

Ah huh...memories

[RiffRandell]

56. Was it sticky or tattered?

Or both? Sorry I couldn't resist.

[RiffRandell]

124. Awww..there was no "Little Darlings" camp nearby?

Loved that movie...Matt Dillon!

[arely staircase]

161. Foxes

http://m.

&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6feCeztPStM

[Mnemosyne]

177. We took the photo pages from Playgirl and taped them to stop signs around the area.

I think I was about 14, friend age 16, drove.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

39. Oh man!

I remember finding a couple of Penthouses with a buddy along a bike trail. We stopped for awhile to "read the articles". A cop showed up, we ditched the mags, he found them. We were like 13, and apparently he thought we were smoking pot (we hadn't discovered that joy yet). Saw the mags, told us to leave.

[arely staircase]

42. you just described a scene out of the movie they make about me some day

maybe the opening one.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

48. And this was in the early 90s...

Those magazines still littered bike trails. I remember another time in the late 80s. A friend and I were riding bikes to his house. We had He-Man playsets hanging off our handlebars (Castle Greyskull on his and Snake Mountain on mine). We rode by the storm drain, and there were a STACK of Playboy and Penthouse mags. Just sitting there. Glimmering in the sun. We stashed those into the playsets and brought them home. Of course, we were just reading those informative articles.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. Are you the one who took it? I thought it was better hidden than that.

Seriously, I hid a porn magazine in the woods. I was terrified of what would happen to me if it were to be found at home. So I hid it in the woods, and someone else must have found it. And here I thought I was being original.

[sendero]

17. LOL..

.... you are showing your age

[RainDog]

40. When I had preschoolers

and got together with other mothers (occasionally fathers) and their kids...

we were all surprised to learn that nearly ever single toddler masturbated, and they figured this out all by themselves, obviously, because no one was modeling the same (and the ways they masturbated were obviously kid-created.. sand, stuffed animals, etc.) and none of the kids were abused and none of them were watching porn, unless Sesame Street had some furry thing going on that's only evident to kids...

but that reality - that kids, even before hormones decide it's time to act upon whatever, pleasure themselves through their sexual organs sort of made me think that the real problem comes from society, not kids or teenagers, in regard to this issue. not that I didn't think that before, as far as religious propaganda goes, but both girls and boys, outside of cultural exposure to images, etc. masturbate.

I feel sorry for kids who are raised in right wing religious households. A lot of unlearning has to go on to even perceive sexuality without some sort of weirdness whispering in their ears, maybe.

[eggplant]

62. I remember when, as a toddler, my son found his special purpose...

...and immediately got a look that said "hey! has this thing been here this whole time, and you never said anything?!?"

[RainDog]

66. LOL

yeah, in every case, it was the kid who magically found something to occupy some time...

with that play group, I remember this so well because one little girl was using sand, etc. and her mom redirected her to something else, and then everyone else had stories to share about their kid doing this or that and the parent discovered her/him inflagrante delicto, so to speak.

Most parents just didn't say anything, that I remember, unless the kid was around others.

All those kids are now grown and doing well. I guess the succeeded in spite of their willful desire to masturbate! lol.

But they weren't on the porn highway back then. It was strictly big wheels and trikes on the sidewalks.

[RainDog]

76. yeah. but you still might be able to see...

[BainsBane]

67. I thought hormones made a person want sex

Not capitalist commerce? It must be rough to believe your biology is inexorably linked to profit for the few.

Why do you people think porn is sex? Isn't it a substitute for sex, when people aren't having sex?

[BainsBane]

72. We're you in college then?

Or already graduated?

[BainsBane]

75. I saw your answer on the JFK quiz

You're older than I am. I was in college then, but I started at 16. There was no shortage of sex to be had.

[BainsBane]

79. Sure, I believe you.

If had seen a guy with a sears bra catalog in college, I have to say I would have wondered.

[BainsBane]

122. Okay, but on the off chance that you are that guy

who took my bra sophomore year, I'd like it back.

[arely staircase]

82. like a moth to flame nt

[opiate69]

84. ...and we'll all burn together, as the wick grows higher...

http://m.

[arely staircase]

85. saw them on the teevee about that time

Midnight Express with Wolfman Jack after SNL. Volume real low because my parents thought I was asleep.

[opiate69]

88. They've been in my top 5 bands of all time for 30+ years now..

[arely staircase]

89. like so much 70s classic rock

They had many great songs but only a handful on the radio.

[opiate69]

91. Yup.. Which,makes me sad that my Sirius/XM free week is ending tomorrow...

The local classic rock station (KJR), which unfortunately is the only station that comes in worth a shit at my work, has seriously made me hate many, many songs and even artists that I used to kinda like.. It's like, "for fucks sake, guys.. Elton John has dozens of albums.. Do we really need to hear "Crocodile Rock" and that Gawd-awful Kiki Dee duet, every fucking day???

[arely staircase]

94. the rolling stones have literally hundreds of cool tunes

Couple of dozen based on airplay.

[11 Bravo]

146. Well, a friend of the devil is a friend of mine, so hey, friend.

[11 Bravo]

152. Fuck nightfall, I got home before daylight! (Just might get some sleep tonight.)

[11 Bravo]

155. I met Jerry (OK we just shared a quick hug) backstage at the Fillmore in SF in '74.

I was an ex-grunt, not too long out of Walter Reed AMC, with a friend who had connections. He (Garcia) could not have been any nicer or more accepting. He told me he was glad I made it back, and was glad I had recuperated from my wounds. I love me some Dead.

[11 Bravo]

160. Lesh was there, but he was keeping to himself. Seemed like a very cool and self-possessed guy.

[nomorenomore08]

198. 90 gigs of Dead gigs? I like the Dead but I can't even *fathom* that...

[nomorenomore08]

201. How about "Mama Tried" from Mother's Day 1977? You can hear Weir at the end: "Thanks mom!"

[opiate69]

241. During a recent Sirius/XM free week,

I had the Dead channel on while the wife and I were heading to work, and they played a live clip of the Dead doing El Paso.. Mrs Opie was aghast lol... She's never really been into the Dead anyway, and that particular rendition did nothing to change her opinion of them.. Though, I have heard some good versions of it by them.

[opiate69]

243. I actually like them best when they get into the country/americana mode, personally..

Jerry's playing just really shines in some of that stuff. This is probably my favorite song of theirs, at least off of Workingman's Blues..
http://m.

[Bonobo]

119. I've seen them about 15 times.

But my brother has been to double that.

[louis-t]

226. Oh... that was 'Midnight Special'.

Took me a second.

[arely staircase]

246. That's right Midnight Special

Midnight Express was the movie about the guy in the Turkish prison.

[Bonobo]

118. Yes! Oh the leaded window opened...!

You just earned 1,000 points on my scorecard, Opiate69!

[opiate69]

164. Heavy Horses and Stormwatch are my two favorite albums of theirs...

Just brilliant, beginning to end.

[Bonobo]

165. Totally agreed, but it is hard to choose.

Did you like TAAB 2? You know Ian is working on another studio album right now?

I just saw the TAAB show a few months ago in Osaka.

[opiate69]

166. I did like TAAB2, though I did wish it was Tull, not just Ian and his solo band.

Still, would have loved to have seen that show. Can't wait to hear what else he's working on now.

[Bonobo]

120. I think this is more appropriate.

[BainsBane]

147. I find it fascinating

that it's my fault if I respond to someone else's OP, and also my fault when they respond to mine.
What you really mean to say is: "shut the fuck up because I don't like your opinion."

[arely staircase]

154. see the violence inherent in the system nt

[BainsBane]

171. I'd call it plugging one's ears

but rather than just plugging them (by ignoring or trashing the thread or post), it's a hostile plugging meant to tell someone they have no right to an opinion that differs from theirs.

[arely staircase]

173. hostile plugging?

You wrote that without the slightest intent of irony, didn't you?

[Xyzse]

130. Hmmm, yeah, it was the Victoria's Secret Catalog that did me in, around the early 90s.

Found romance novels late 80s too...

Lost that battle pretty damn quick.
-sigh-

[Xyzse]

172. Sadly, sometimes I feel these things have been photoshopped beyond recognition.

Still, that is one fine looking catalog.

[louis-t]

227. Hey, I got these delivered to my house by mistake for a while.

Same number, different street. I eventually dropped them off at the right address. Eventually...

[louis-t]

237. "Then that lingerie is back in style."

"So quit complaining."

[cliffordu]

167. It was the panties for me......always the panties....

Fucking sears.

[zappaman]

16. Jury says...

At Sun Dec 1, 2013, 04:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Every Young Man's Battle: The Reefer Madness of Porn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024117420

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

New Life Ministries? Seriously? Whatever the poster's intent, it seems like a waste of DU bandwidth to post it here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 1, 2013, 04:57 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's Religious Right propaganda - I'd rather see the OP defend posting this crap than hide it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Dumb...really dumb alert.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: New Life Ministries? Fuck that. Stupid poorly put together bullshit
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's satire

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[arely staircase]

21. yup nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

49. Wait! What the hell are they doing behind said curtain!!!!

Whoa.

[arely staircase]

20. first of all

the fact that someone alerted! good god!

secondly, even some who voted to leave it totally missed the irony of the post. Mother of Christ.

[RiffRandell]

25. The alert explanation is the best part.

Waste of bandwidth...that's the best they could come up with?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

52. Else you'll go blind

or need glasses. Looks like granny's speaking from personal experience.

[RiffRandell]

60. Noooo! Wait, it's personality that matters, and you kind of have a

nice smile. Oh, btw, you seem really intelligent. So, so intelligent.

Have to read The Chaste Clarissa!

[RiffRandell]

86. I get it.

My son is 12 and is blind as a bat without contacts like my husband.

I have prescription readers (had a pair of Prada's and got Ray-Bans a few months ago) and I can't read shit unless I have them on. My man was pushing me to wear them all the time and I was like they are readers...I don't need them like you.

Speaking of vanity, at 43 need 2 full knee replacements. Fuck that...years of skiing did me in and I don't want the scars....they will be at least 6 inches long.

I go see my pain dr tomorrow and last time I saw him he agreed with me. Not doing it yet...always wear skirts and short shorts in the summer. He was like, yeah, they're going to be big.

He's awesome...and cute.

[Skittles]

205. aw time for the classic joke

guy goes by his son's room and says, "SON, IF YOU DON'T STOP DOING THAT YOU'LL GO BLIND."

Son replies, "DAD, I'M OVER HERE!"

[BainsBane]

92. Yeah, that's exactly what those threads said

[RiffRandell]

97. Yes, they did, and totally tiresome.

Feel free to log/out/in and keep an eye on things.

[BainsBane]

100. One thing I have learned

Too many are completely impervious to argument, ideas, information, or anything. The ability to block out anything that challenges entitlement is truly a marvel. No wonder this country continues to be ruled by Wall Street.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

105. what can you expect for some one who thinks a "beat it" joke is hilarious

and is laughing so fucking hard at these tired old men and their tired old jokes.

fuck me hopping. the dumb on this board and the women that like to be petted by the dumb.

fucking pathetic and sad is what it is.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

110. the video parady in the OP ... bizarrely, weirdly, oddly,

somewhat slightly and mildly, humorous, yes.

the disintegration of this thread ... not so much.

as usual, ymmv.

ciao.

[RiffRandell]

132. Hey, coming from you I take that as a compliment.

Thanks!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

134. I knew you would. and Truly -- you are most welcome.

You deserve it.

that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.

sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.

the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.

a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...

lord. You crack me up.

haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.

[polly7]

138. What a sickening, disgusting post. nt.

[nomorenomore08]

200. Some people seem to think they're such an authority on fellow DU'ers.

Almost as though they had the power to read minds across a continent.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

144. You just called another a woman a dog....

Nope, no misogyny here folks!!!! SATIRE! BRILLIANT!

[LadyHawkAZ]

159. I've written and discarded 6 posts now

I'm not going to break my perfect no-hides streak on that sad-ass worthless post. So I'll just agree with you.

[RiffRandell]

162. Don't, it's not worth it.

I really appreciate your support. You're a class-act, and a great person Lady. Oh, and thanks for the Green Day video...loved it!

[RiffRandell]

163. Exactly what I thought, amongst other things that ironically

my dog and husband listened to me express.

ETA: The "tired old men" comment was also a personal attack imo.

[Sissyk]

145. This horrid post in all its glory!

Tuesday Afternoon

134. I knew you would. and Truly -- you are most welcome.

You deserve it.

that you can continue to laugh at simple old jokes and enjoy being petted by these men.

sort of like their old pet dog, reminds me.

the picture I have of you in my mind when I see you posting.

a good old hunting dog. loyal. pet. pet. good doggie. here let me throw you another morsel ...

lord. You crack me up.

haha. Hilarious. truly LMAO over her.

[cliffordu]

169. I wonder if your post is a bannable offense??

I certainly hope so.

I'm going to keep my copy of this so I know who's speaking from now on.

If someone had called you a dog, your howling would be biblical.

You certainly outed yourself on this. I for one am very happy you did.

[Electric Monk]

178. What's funny is they haven't even self-deleted it yet, despite self-deleting tons of other posts.

(kick)

[cliffordu]

194. Is that what you think this was about? ?

[cliffordu]

196. Sorry - Long day, decreased intellect.

Mebbe I should just look at the pictures and leave the written stuff to adults....

LOOK!!! A KITTEN!!!

[maddezmom]

170. That is one vile post

I can imagine the cries of misogyny if anyone, male or female called you a dog. And you know what I would agree.

[Sissyk]

179. Yeah, it is vile.

But, I was told "they" hated on her first. Don't know who they are but her hatred is returned so calling them a dog was somehow justified.

Not sorry for it either.

[seabeyond]

219. lmFao... you might want to look in the mirror. peruse the names and see just who is

circlin' those old wagons in this thread. what a fuckin hoot. sure does explain the mentality of SOME folk.

oh and a couple other threads ... more than a couple, i took note of.

funny.

you are in EVERY one of these threads as you insult and dismiss anyone that thinks differently from you. continually attacking womens sexuality as if it is your right, privilege to do so. then you go on a rant about the "same old" people in the threads. as your ass sits in EVERY thread calling out insults to women that argue differently from you.

and if there is actually substance in a post, then you throw out a shallow picture or insult and project without addressing what is posted.

lets see what insult i get. i am pretty sure i know what you will say at this point in the argument.

[seabeyond]

232. yup, that was the attack i expected. yes. you call people names consistently. yes, you repeatedly

play the smae note over and over and over and over again. in every. single. one. of these threads. every one. one doesnt get by without a comment from you, right?

amazing how you can project it onto others and totally be blind to self.

watched you play that game with meta. you know.... your favorite group.

[seabeyond]

234. so predictably funny warren.... happy holidays.

[seabeyond]

236. i too, meant it sincerely. nt

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[Warren DeMontague]

102. They didn't say this, either

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125529981

[BainsBane]

104. Deja vu

I've had a number of margaritas at this point, but even so I do recall discussing this several days ago.

[arely staircase]

126. wow speaking of circle jerks

How did I miss that big bowl of crazy?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

140. Most sane people would have

Apparently though, some think there's a cloak of invisibility where they can cheap shot the rest of DU, then deny it when they get called on it here.

[BainsBane]

180. I guess that means you can no longer "count of me to get it right"

because I criticized the precious rape porn. What's the Pope's position on rape and rape porn?

[arely staircase]

181. I havent gotten into these discussions other than to post this OP

and there are quite a few normally sensible people who seem to lose their minds when they enter a certain malapropian "history" group.

[BainsBane]

182. You mean when they decide to target a certain history group in their witch hunt

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You've directed plenty of snark my way rather than engaging in discussion on the topic. That bothers me. If you have an issue with something I write, have enough integrity to address it to me directly. As for that post Warren linked to, I already explained to him it was in response to a thread where the OP created a poll insisting people who didn't like rape porn hated sex. That is exactly what my thread deals with. Additionally, since a certain other non-historical group chooses to use their safe haven to gossip about members they have banned and insult them by calling them "w...es," "vile" and every other foul word, their outrage amounts to hypocritical posturing. You want to join their efforts against feminism (a feminism that doesn't first seek permission from men before voicing concerns), by all means do so. Just don't expect me to see it for anything but what it is.

[arely staircase]

183. as far as "vile" goes

Surely we can agree that anyone who calls a woman a dog who likes to be pat on the head because of her politicsl views is vile and sexist, no?

[BainsBane]

186. I agree it was rude, but not sexist

but I got your message loud and clear.

We just need to accept that men should be free to refer to women as c..t, w...e, s...t, and b...h without being called sexist, but if someone criticizes another poster as a sycophant, it is she who is responsible for sexism and not the misogynists.

So you hate HOF feminists. Amazingly, I believe I'm a free person able to express my views, even if gets some men upset. I know it's outrageous, but there it is. Now I realize that rape thread several months ago wasn't just a weird one-off thing but instead reflective of your views on women. Clearly I misjudged you. I won't be making that mistake again.

[arely staircase]

189. as long as we agree

The person who infered a woman who disagreed with her was a dog and that he should be banned we can probably find common ground.

[BainsBane]

209. You posted in it

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Find it yourself. The poll came immediately after the first rape porn thread, and its clear point was if you objected to that, you must not like sex. It's the sex negative stuff that you all spout constantly. Moreover, given the way you and your friends never pay attention to what I actually argue and instead create idiocies out of it, I feel absolutely no obligation to provide proof of anything. At least I read people's posts and know what they argue. You don't even make an effort, as is evidenced by your continual repetition of arguments you want to impose, often dissembling from the point at hand (like your continually nonsense about blowjobs and insisting that I went looking for "egregious" stuff when the subject at hand was rape porn. How is rape porn ever not egregious?). I am not going to waste a minute looking for something you won't read, think about, or remember five minutes later. What I write is clearly irrelevant.

[BainsBane]

215. Yes they do

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You should think about that yourself. That poll does exist and you yourself regularly make cracks about feminists as prudes in your clubhouse.

Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024089018\

I'll copy an excerpt from the OP for you to continue to pretend doesn't exist.

Prudish and control freak mentalities toward the sexual practices of others is one the big differences between conservatives and progressives. Personally, I am proud to be part of a movement that is willing to talk realistically about the state of sex in our society, including any problems that do exist.

Firstly, that he thinks rape porn is sex is completely fucked up. Even mistaking porn generally for sex is bizarre.

That OP came immediately after TSS's thread on the British law where I and some others expressed our concerns about rape porn. Naturally he left out the part about rape, but only a willfully dishonest person would pretend that isn't exactly what he was responding to. That he created this poll insinuating those who oppose porn are prudes who don't like sex indicates that he did exactly what you have done throughout these many threads: purposefully distort the argument to pretend it was about porn generally and pretend that an opposition to any kind of porn means an opposition to sex. There is something profoundly disturbing about the inability of some to distinguish porn from sex. It tells me they can't imagine their own sexuality outside of capitalist commerce. (It also suggests they probably aren't actually having sex if they mistake porn is their sex life, but then that is their business). What disturbs me is that the meme about critics of rape porn in particular as prudes is that it reveals complete contempt for women and men who see rape culture as a serious matter and believe rape porn contributes to it. Most importantly, the assertion, that at least two members have made directly, that rape porn depicts sex rather than violence only affirms how fucked up the entire genre is. When men start to mistake rape--even depictions of rape--for sex, they become dangerous.

If you once applied to yourself and the people you like the demands you place on me, that would be a marvel. Tell me where a HOF woman ever said she didn't like sex, was a prude, or sex negative? No one, yet you engage in that belittling of women, many of whom are rape survivors, with your pals. I could go to the men's room right now and find a whole slew of jokes about feminists as prudes and sex negative. You yourself engage in that belittling which is designed to make clear that you see our views as trivial, so much so that you can't be bothered to consider what we actually say. I see that as clear demonstration that you see me as less than equal, as does your offensive determination to hold me accountable for an insult from another member, while showing not the slightest concern about the daily insults (authoritarian, right-wing, fascist, feminazi, crazy, obsessed, maoist, troll, stupid, etc.) directed at me. Nor, when the host of that group called a woman a "wh....e" and the insult was again repeated by another member, did you utter a word of concern. I am sick to death of the rank hypocrisy.

As for the notion that my ideas are even remotely right-wing, such a world view is itself so wedded to capitalist commodity fetishism and male entitlement that it can't conceive of the broader political spectrum outside the US. Here I state my view, which is obviously Marxist, on the capitalist worldview that many members here so uncritically internalize.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4104127
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4107457

People are of course free to espouse any ideas they want, but when they pretend there is anything "left" about it, they reveal a narrowly provincial conception of political ideology.

[Major Nikon]

217. Connecting the dots is more challenging for some

[BainsBane]

224. So it seems

I wouldn't think grown men would have such a difficult time following time stamps.

[BainsBane]

218. Save it

I just went to the men's group and read the latest gossip thread. I know exactly what you say.

[BainsBane]

221. You have ignored the context of the thread and thereby distorted its meaning

That OP and poll is how that particular member chose to trivialize the discussion about rape porn he had actively participated in the night before. I discussed the matter with him until late in the night and when I woke up he had written that OP, clearly to ridicule anyone who dared criticize the precious rape porn. I have told you that repeatedly. In refusing to consider the context in which that thread occurred, you are misrepresenting the facts. He did what you do with great frequency: ignore what someone actually argues and turn it into a joke for ridicule.

[BainsBane]

223. Give me a break

Firstly, your post was four days after the thread in question and three days after the OP you have gone to the mat to defend.
You criticize me, not rape porn. You have systematically attacked everyone who dared question the precious rape porn, trivialized and distorted arguments as in your fucked up meme about blow jobs.

By the way, rape can be oral as well. I don't know how that's such a revelation to you.

You aren't even making a half-assed effort. That last effort is just lame.

[BainsBane]

229. yes, I did look at it and saw several of your own common tactics

like guilt by association and strawman. Did you see quotation marks? If I were claiming you called it precious I would have used quotation marks. Guess what? I don't need your approval for the words I use. That you think I am obligated to use only verbatim quotes while you can distort and trivialize arguments is rich.

I don't give a fuck about that study. That's your derailment. I'm sure that's in the Christmas book too. I don't even know what you think I'm accusing you of now. Your blowjob meme was part of the ongoing effort to divert conversation away from rape porn, subjects of the OPs, to some trivialized parody that is unrelated to the subject. I don't give a fuck if you saw it somewhere on DU. It didn't relate to the issue at hand and was part of your on going effort to ridicule real concerns about rape porn.

Do try to pay attention to time stamps. Mucking them up makes you look foolish.

I will not now nor ever seek your permission for the language I use or posts I make. Get used to it. If you can't, don't read what I write. It's just that simple.

[arely staircase]

125. ok rereading this thread today I am convinced the DU classic is the bandwidth concern alert

"Whatever the poster's intent, it seems like a waste of DU bandwidth."

[Dash87]

83. 10 YouTubes gnomes died while generating this video URL.

Hope you're all happy!

[Warren DeMontague]

103. Obvioulsy they didn't read the thread

about Gnome Chomsky.

[In_The_Wind]

175. IMO: The DUer sending the alert would have been better off Trashing This Thread.

Waste of bandwidth

The alert was a colossal waste of time.

[zappaman]

26. For the record

I was number two

[arely staircase]

29. I guessed as much

thanks

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

50. Oh, I suspect the alerter "got it"

But saying "This post should be hidden as a cheap shot at those DU'ers who want to ban....er um, regulate....er....whatever we want to do with porn" wouldn't have had a chance.

[RainDog]

58. some of you folks are so cynical

I can be cynical, but I still maintain that wide-eyed rube willingness to believe that some people do lack a sense of humor.

however, in the context of "the DU" - it's likely someone was trying to get the OP shut out of this forum - especially considering past actions that did the same to various people.

[arely staircase]

192. I am sure they are very much reliant on her work and opinions.

I'm sure the Meese Commission is a big source of theirs as well.

[loli phabay]

27. dang some people dont get that stuff gets posted so we can laugh at it.

[zappaman]

30. Not all Democrats come with a sense of humor

To those that do...

[RainDog]

31. LOL. As with the original - can't tell if this is parody or for real... n/t

[cthulu2016]

32. Wow... couple of real dolts there. Scary

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. heh. +1 n/t

[cthulu2016]

35. rec for solidarity against the idiot who alerted this

[MannyGoldstein]

46. Awesome!

A replica of the idiotic anti-drug films we saw in the 1970s, except with porn and different haircuts.

I'm sure it'll work equally well...

[loli phabay]

47. if at first you dont succeed then try try again.

[DJ13]

168. I'm a firm believer in that

But my hand gets tired after the third or fourth try.

[Kurska]

51. Why do I have the feeling the people howling that we were trying to silence them by disagreeing

Were the same people who alerted on this video, because it links their cause to unpopular people.

[arely staircase]

59. probably

Even though I posted it because it is funny. But if you are an anti porn crusader on the left I can see how it might cause the butthurt. Butthurt #37 btw is the movie the young man in the video almost watched with his friend.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

68. Butthurt #37 btw is the movie the young man in the video almost watched with his friend.

Not with his counselor?

[arely staircase]

69. they watched 1-36 nt

[opiate69]

238. Yeah.. But the special effects budget went through the roof!

[opiate69]

240. *snork*!!

[Kurska]

53. If you're a young man, don't watch porn

Visit an older man in the middle of the night and jump into his arms.

Lesson learned

[loli phabay]

55. lol, its pretty much the message that it seemed to say.

[arely staircase]

80. though I don't think that was the intended message

yeah

[Politicub]

63. Golly gee, professor!

All that's needed now is someone manically playing the piano while the professor is waiting for his rap group to motorcycle over.

[arely staircase]

64. and not even realize they have run over someone

It has been years but I remember that.

[Dash87]

87. The ending - "Screw this porn stuff. I'm going to get the real thing!"

[arely staircase]

95. it is, no shit, a gay porno with the good parts edited out. nt

[Botany]

252. cue the music after "the understanding professor" invites red into his house

https://ia600200.us.archive.org/15/items/csr049/csr049_wcwc_13-thybbuk_silk-and-sweat.mp3

It really was like a bad porn movie.

[UTUSN]

90. Allow me to be the first to say, "I don't get it." n/t

[NYC_SKP]

98. The kid thought it over, decided to take up the older dude on his offer, and not go watch porn....

...and that decision changed his life.

I guess. Though we don't really know what happens after the door closes, or what happens at the other dude's house.

I can't relate to either situation, so maybe I also don't get it.

[Number23]

99. I didn't watch the video (I tend not to unless I know what I'm going to be watching)

but I thought that reading the thread would help me understand what the video/OP is about.

If anything, after reading this thread I have even less clue what is going on and what these people are talking about. Oh well. Maybe there's another 'Obama's wearing a sweater?!!1?1!' thread freak out I can read.

[LadyHawkAZ]

114. Thread full of win.

Holy shit, I'm dying here.

[RiffRandell]

127. I know!

I'm still laughing this morning over it.

[nolabels]

117. The large neighborhood stash of men magazine us kids had all started with the paper-drive.

The paper-drives in area were first initiated by the Catholic Church so it only figures. There was many an old guy who would toss some of their old playboys and penthouse out with the newspaper. I guess that also figures why our area won the drive to get the most papers

[Scuba]

123. Epic thread.

When I was a kid we had two outhouses, one for the men, one for the women. Old Sears and Penny's catalogs were available there for toilet paper.

Funny, they were always opened to the ladies undies section. Always.

Yes, I'm that old.

[bobclark86]

129. Wonder what history class he's writing for...

his over-30 GED class?

BTW, could this be any more disrespectful to the fallen at Gettsyburg?

[arely staircase]

135. yeah jacking off is like dying in the Civil War nt

[ismnotwasm]

131. Hmm

Well, I learned as I went along is it because I'm a woman? Sneaking peaks at playboy did jack shit for me.

Some of the experiences weren't were't pleasant. Like being recruited by pimps as a young runaway--no it wasn't enticing and I got the fuck out of there, or the attempted rapes.

Or to be more vanilla, the lousy sex from men who apparently learned about sex from magazines and movies without learning to ask their partners what felt good for them.

Or really drunk sex, ugh. I sure everyone can agree drunk sex well, sucks.

There's porn for that now too, did you know that?

[arely staircase]

136. so it is real

It had just enough homoeroticism that I thought it might be brilliant satire.

[Egalitarian Thug]

148. OK, you've kept this up so long I had to look. A question to the women of DU...

would any of you ever even consider having sex with any of the guys in this video? Seriously, I don't think this is going to ever be a problem for any of these guys. OTOH, the creepy guy that tells them he's "available, any time", is someone I would watch out for.

[arely staircase]

158. see that is why

although this has been confirmed as an actual right wing anti-porn propaganda film, lines like "available for you" and other things ha e just enough homoeroticsm that, while I don't think the whole thing is a joke, maybe some script writer or director was playing a joke within it. Who knows?

[derby378]

156. Kate Bush's lawyers on line 1...

Something about a cease-and-desist order for that Godawful auto-tuned perversion of her stuff at the end.

[LWolf]

174. "Deeper Understanding?"

Really?

[Bonobo]

187. And some doubt there is a "War on Men"!!! nt

[RainDog]

188. LOL

The Bell Ringer...

just in time for the holidays.

[Kurovski]

208. "Professor Harper...

is it true that consuming porn will deplete your talents in regards to the theatrical arts?"

[Kurovski]

212. That sure moved the story along.

I hope that Euro-flavored man doesn't die later on in the film, because I love his way with a dog, and an ADR.

And also, the golden bowls represent female sexuality.

[Kurovski]

214. Here's what I've learned:

If you're a middle aged man with a hairstyle like Julia Roberts in Steel Magnolias you must either let it go gray, or else cut it short and THEN you may continue using Grecian Formula.

"That's a heck of a lot of Grecian Formula, Johnnie"

ON FIRE

[arely staircase]

247. yonic

Adjective[edit]

yonic (comparative more yonic, superlative most yonic)
1.in the shape of a vulva or a vagina, in the shape of a yoni ?[quotations ▼]

Antonyms[edit]
phallic

[Kurovski]

249. "yonic" A new word!

Going deeper...I think bowls also may represent the uterus itself in artistic imagery.

Though who knows if it was meant as anything in that movie. As a "perhaps accident", I thought it was pretty good one.

[Mr Dixon]

248. SMH

Creepy

[1StrongBlackMan]

251. Posted to for later ...

from scanning the comments, I'm pretty safe this is not workplace safe.