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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:54 AM Dec 2013

Know that thing they do every Christmas Eve where they have NORAD "track" Santa's sleigh?

They're doing it again this year...but this time, Santa will be flanked by a pair of fighter jets.

Boston Globe:



As Santa streaks through the sky this Christmas Eve, Rudolph merrily guiding the way, he will be flanked by some new and unusual companions: a jet-fighter escort, bristling with missiles.

That is the twist that — to the dismay of at least some child advocates — the US military has chosen to put on this year’s version of its traditional animated tracking of the yuletide journey.

(snip)

But as the word gets out, the plan is taking flak. Some say the Pentagon appears to have lost its way by introducing destructive weaponry to the otherwise jolly image of Santa setting out from the North Pole. Up to now, the most threatening aspect of Santa’s flight had been lumps of coal.

“Children associate Santa with gifts and fun and everything else that is positive about Christmas,” said Allen Kanner, a California child and family psychologist and cofounder of the Boston-based Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood. “They are associating this with the military in children’s minds. It is completely out of line.”

The rest: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/12/02/pentagon-tracking-santa-with-new-twist-armed-jet-fighters/aFYyrQhOjNlZw9OnsKSWQM/story.html?s_campaign=email_BG_TodaysHeadline

Brand loyalty, you see. Get 'em young. Because 'Merica.

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Know that thing they do every Christmas Eve where they have NORAD "track" Santa's sleigh? (Original Post) WilliamPitt Dec 2013 OP
That is so sick and weird Tanuki Dec 2013 #1
Maybe they have to escort him to ensure he doesn't try to fly into the new World Trade tower. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #78
'Take the shot! Take the shot!' nt onehandle Dec 2013 #2
Too close for missiles... AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #135
That's a negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full. Glassunion Dec 2013 #142
There is a dark and sinister psychology behind this. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #3
Just what the Police State ordered. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #102
Deviate from that flight path one meter, Fat Boy, and you're toast... nt Buns_of_Fire Dec 2013 #4
Ha ha ha! Actually, the justification is to protect Santa from "threats." MADem Dec 2013 #59
They must have heard about Jon Stewart's liberal media war on Christmas and his STS missiles nilram Dec 2013 #84
Ha! I have to get back to the Daily Show...! nt MADem Dec 2013 #148
This is disgusting. nt octoberlib Dec 2013 #5
Beyond the pale. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #103
I kept waiting for the MuseRider Dec 2013 #6
Can't figure out how to edit, or format properly on this tablet so.... MuseRider Dec 2013 #9
Thanks! bvar22 Dec 2013 #51
Hey there! MuseRider Dec 2013 #58
+1 countryjake Dec 2013 #63
Doodle, oodle, oodle, doodle, oodle, oodle, doodle, oodle, oodle oo MuseRider Dec 2013 #68
So is Santa also involved with the NSA? After all rurallib Dec 2013 #7
Not directly, but they forced him to put a backdoor into his database. Thor_MN Dec 2013 #53
Santa is KGB, not NSA jmowreader Dec 2013 #71
Send the Millennium Falcon and Snoopy in his Sopwith Camel. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #8
This is Canada's fault. Renew Deal Dec 2013 #10
Conditioning children to live in the military industrial complex Generic Other Dec 2013 #11
Exactly. Propaganda. Just what the burgeoning US Police State ordered. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #104
Damn! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #12
Turn on your light saber instead tina tron Dec 2013 #18
Well there goes the neighborhood! Rex Dec 2013 #24
Why do Imperial storm troopers wear armor? tclambert Dec 2013 #45
Oh No!!! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #65
That's sad. Brickbat Dec 2013 #13
Not sad. I think it is sorta funny. RebelOne Dec 2013 #146
THAT Sissyk Dec 2013 #14
That kind of changes the whole myth into something else gollygee Dec 2013 #15
Well, since you are not privy to the intel available to Sen. Feinstein Ace Acme Dec 2013 #79
We need protection from the NSA. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #105
Yes, this is going to scare kids, I can't believe they thought this was a good idea. bananas Dec 2013 #116
A bearded man in a makeshift aircraft flying nap-of-the-earth? JHB Dec 2013 #16
That landscape is just as disturbing as anything else. randome Dec 2013 #17
they should have just put missles on the sleigh... dionysus Dec 2013 #19
Santa is upset the polar ice cap is melting. hunter Dec 2013 #20
All I can say is: sakabatou Dec 2013 #21
Our nation is in the hands of some sick fucks. FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #22
Sieg Heil, motherf/ckers! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #106
FUCK YA! Rex Dec 2013 #23
That's disturbing on every level. Now if Santa was flanked by the Tardis, I'd be ok with that. myrna minx Dec 2013 #25
When the people in government do something fun they get attacked rule #1 Johonny Dec 2013 #26
the "tracking" is fine annabanana Dec 2013 #29
you forgot the sarcasm thingy, yes? niyad Dec 2013 #31
I hope so. Honestly I am speechless (it has happened a few times on DU but this takes the cake) anneboleyn Dec 2013 #97
I do not think anyone who has ever lost somone to war BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #35
Comprehensive Fail. WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #36
It's called propaganda tina tron Dec 2013 #46
Heaven forbid we let the message Peace On Earth stand for one fucking day. Scramble the jets! TeamPooka Dec 2013 #57
Thank you! City Lights Dec 2013 #75
You really think armed fighter jets protecting santa is to teach kids the military harun Dec 2013 #88
Santa is the Magic of the Old Man of the North - He doesn't need escorts and has made it Hestia Dec 2013 #127
I was scrolling looking for a defender/apologist of this. morningfog Dec 2013 #90
I'm with you. CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #125
,....... daleanime Dec 2013 #131
You know.. "war on Christmas" Air Force Dominionists and all that .. . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2013 #27
+1 Crowman1979 Dec 2013 #133
But, but, some people BELIEVE in the military! Coyotl Dec 2013 #28
Yes, Virginia, there is a military. GreatCaesarsGhost Dec 2013 #41
And try as people might to get out of their enlistment... dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #121
dear goddess, PLEASE tell me this is actually from the Onion and the globe just copied it. niyad Dec 2013 #30
The SCOTUS ruled against putting GPS tracking devices on Santa's sleigh. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #32
Queue the Disney-Mattel marketeers MinM Dec 2013 #33
Get on Target! Be the target! Vox Moi Dec 2013 #42
Reminds me of this.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #82
My brother and I had those. They lasted about a half a day. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #113
Your last name wouldn't be Banner, would it? FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #136
No Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #137
Good luck finding jets that can land on roughly 80 millions of rooftops in one night! FarCenter Dec 2013 #34
This decision leaves them open to some pretty obvious lampooning. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #37
This is your Christmas Mission Profile ... Vox Moi Dec 2013 #38
Thanks Obama n/t Fumesucker Dec 2013 #39
The question of course Good without a god Dec 2013 #40
It's done by volunteers and private money. obxhead Dec 2013 #98
Wonderful story as to how NORAD started tracking Santa - but with this one video they can Hestia Dec 2013 #128
Sick and twisted....knr joeybee12 Dec 2013 #43
Now this is a "War on Christmas". Wonder what Bill and Sarah think? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #44
I don't like this. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #47
You must be one of those bleedin' heart libruls. Commie! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #107
Ah the unveiling of the super duper secret nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #48
No worries. Bill O said it was his contribution to the war on Christmas. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #49
Just as long as Santa doesn't die from a leg wound LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #50
That's recruitment imagery. Early childhood branding upon impressionable minds. Loudly Dec 2013 #52
Absolutely! FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #74
You betcha! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #108
Well, points for realism... TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #54
Christmas Accomplished! nt raouldukelives Dec 2013 #55
email Norad to let them know you don't like this: noradtrackssanta@outlook.com TeamPooka Dec 2013 #56
Fighter jets? Everyone knows NORAD uses drones to keep Santa safe. FSogol Dec 2013 #60
They don't want St. Nick running off with any state secrets. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #61
The NSA: blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #110
It's the US Military's ** War on Christmas ** Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #62
Who else will guard against the Grinch flying a Mig? seveneyes Dec 2013 #64
So much for bullsnarfle Dec 2013 #66
And Santa, rebel that he is, changes flight plans... countryjake Dec 2013 #67
What I want to know is: will Santa be required to pass through TSA security? KansDem Dec 2013 #69
They're just following him Politicalboi Dec 2013 #70
They're just protecting him from the War on Christmas jmowreader Dec 2013 #72
usa! usa! We *so* rule! City Lights Dec 2013 #73
This happens when he enters North American airspace. xmas74 Dec 2013 #76
My husband and I check it for fun. We love the Taj Mahal sequence and London anneboleyn Dec 2013 #99
My 13 year old and I will check it yet again this year xmas74 Dec 2013 #115
Santa is a mythological creature in... JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #77
since the 30s there's been a lot of commentary on the replacement of myth and mainstream MisterP Dec 2013 #89
There's been other delusions, too. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #94
... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #80
Why would they want to shoot him down? hughee99 Dec 2013 #81
That is really... twisted. MadrasT Dec 2013 #83
Dumb. Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #85
Honest. I was good this year. ThoughtCriminal Dec 2013 #86
santa will need them warrprayer Dec 2013 #87
i don't see anything sinister about this, necessarily, TBH. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #91
They'll track Santa over Area 51 near Bigfoot Forest next to Edward Snowen's house. Initech Dec 2013 #92
Next year Santa will be delivering gifts with Drones! adirondacker Dec 2013 #93
Getting rid of the wing tip A2A missiles is the obvious solution. joshcryer Dec 2013 #95
I saw this on NECN tonight and thought it must be a joke. Paper Roses Dec 2013 #96
Military escort for Santa? shireen Dec 2013 #100
Why aren't they tracking Jesus? xfundy Dec 2013 #101
Replacing one fairy tale with another. Woo hoo! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #111
I wonder if Santa is spying for the NSA now. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #109
This news editor's response just sent to NORADSANTA.com: Liberty Belle Dec 2013 #112
Great response. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #114
Here are some other Santa trackers. bananas Dec 2013 #118
Nothing ReRe Dec 2013 #117
Next up - TSA screening after he drops off presents so he can get back in the sleigh suffragette Dec 2013 #119
I love the smell of ever-increasing US militarianism and nationalism in the morning. merrily Dec 2013 #120
Related Headline Savannahmann Dec 2013 #122
Next they will go door to door with Santa RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #123
I see what you did there... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #138
That was quite a surprise, how quickly Watertown and Cambridge merrily Dec 2013 #141
Stop assuming all kids will be scared by this. CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #124
That is so twisted. dotymed Dec 2013 #126
well, there is a war on christmas!!!! heaven05 Dec 2013 #129
It's NORAD's websit that's doing this. nt Javaman Dec 2013 #130
It's part of the US government's "Everyone is a Terrorist" policy. Crowman1979 Dec 2013 #132
"Onward Christian soldiers, tra-la-la la-la la-la-la-la!" Good times and fond memories. marble falls Dec 2013 #134
The Militarization of American Culture happyfunball Dec 2013 #139
TAUNT!!! hootinholler Dec 2013 #140
Hey ~ happyfunball In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #143
"You serious, Clark?" maced666 Dec 2013 #144
That's some twisted shit there. The underlying message is clear Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #145
WTF! Seriously, WTF???? n/t Avalux Dec 2013 #147

Tanuki

(14,916 posts)
1. That is so sick and weird
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:57 AM
Dec 2013

I thought this would link to one of the satire sites. Are we supposed to think there is a risk of Santa Claus being shot down by hostile fire, and fighter jets are needed for defense?

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
78. Maybe they have to escort him to ensure he doesn't try to fly into the new World Trade tower. nt
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dec 2013

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. Ha ha ha! Actually, the justification is to protect Santa from "threats."
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 02:39 PM
Dec 2013
An intelligence officer asserts that “intel can confirm that Jack Frost and the Abominable Snowman will not be a threat.” Ground forces then report that all rooftops have been checked to make sure Santa, whose call sign is “Big Red One,” and his reindeer can land safely. Could Santa’s navigation system be attacked by a a computer virus? Another officer in charge of cyber space chimes in that the “anti-Grinch-viral is up and will continue to monitor threats.”

Lastly, the video trains on the cockpit of a fighter jet flying escort to prevent Santa from straying into restricted air space and “to protect from threats.” What threats the old man and his sleigh may actually face are not disclosed.

“It’s still cutesy since it’s for kids, but we don’t want people to lose sight of our true mission,” Davis said in explaining the approach.


I think people who are opposed to the MIC but who, nonetheless, are using the defense establishment's website as an adjunct to the Christmas season should just eschew the whole NORAD tracker altogether. It's no secret what NORAD does for a living--pretending that their job is "watching Santa" for a day is willfully ignoring what they're really all about.

nilram

(2,886 posts)
84. They must have heard about Jon Stewart's liberal media war on Christmas and his STS missiles
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013

(That's "Surface-to-Santa" -- oops, I've said too much.)

MuseRider

(34,104 posts)
9. Can't figure out how to edit, or format properly on this tablet so....
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:11 AM
Dec 2013

Blow up your TV
throw away your paper
Go to the country, build you a home
Plant a little garden,
eat a lot of peaches
Try and find Jesus on your own <---John Prine of course

Just a thought and an earworm for your day. Was thinking of Lola, you are part way there already

MuseRider

(34,104 posts)
58. Hey there!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 02:33 PM
Dec 2013

It IS a great one.

I think you and Starkraven have shown the way for a lot of us.

Always good to see you here!

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
7. So is Santa also involved with the NSA? After all
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:07 AM
Dec 2013

he keeps close tabs on who is naughty and who is nice.

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
71. Santa is KGB, not NSA
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:35 PM
Dec 2013

"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake."

That's the mission statement of the KGB, not just a fun Christmas carol.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
8. Send the Millennium Falcon and Snoopy in his Sopwith Camel.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:07 AM
Dec 2013

Let Superman and other superheroes go along. Kids would feel Santa is safe and enjoy the story.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
11. Conditioning children to live in the military industrial complex
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:30 AM
Dec 2013

I find this revolting. Next we'll hear Santa's elves were sent to Gitmo.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
45. Why do Imperial storm troopers wear armor?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:22 PM
Dec 2013

It doesn't protect them against rocks thrown by Ewoks, let alone blasters.



Answer: It saves on the cost of actors.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
15. That kind of changes the whole myth into something else
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:59 AM
Dec 2013

At the very least it creates some kind of fear for Santa's safety. Even that isn't something I want my 4-year-old troubling herself over.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
79. Well, since you are not privy to the intel available to Sen. Feinstein
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
Dec 2013

... you have no way of evaluating the seriousness of the threat to Santa. So just STFU!

bananas

(27,509 posts)
116. Yes, this is going to scare kids, I can't believe they thought this was a good idea.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:31 AM
Dec 2013

This is bad on so many levels.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. That landscape is just as disturbing as anything else.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:27 AM
Dec 2013

You'd think after a few hundred years, the elves could clean up after themselves. Disgusting.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

hunter

(38,309 posts)
20. Santa is upset the polar ice cap is melting.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:07 PM
Dec 2013

The fossil fuel company executives are worried Santa will deliver angry polar bears to their bedrooms.

The U.S. military is therefore keeping an eye on him.

One false move and Santa is toast.

Johonny

(20,827 posts)
26. When the people in government do something fun they get attacked rule #1
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:31 PM
Dec 2013

Heaven forbid the people at Norad try to add a little joy to people's lives. People work their whole lives in the US military trying to help people and make lives better. I don't understand why we must demonize them and post pitty attacks on them. The sight and the sled tracking is fun and extremely harmless. Heaven forbid your kids learn that the military does things besides fight wars. If you are worried about the NORAD santa tracker then your life is probably going pretty good.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
97. I hope so. Honestly I am speechless (it has happened a few times on DU but this takes the cake)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:04 PM
Dec 2013

Really -- American fighter jets accompanying Santa \ for fun??? (Sorry for yelling) Because Santa needs to be protected from evil "terrurism" (or whatever is implied)? Isn't the whole point of "Santa" that he is beloved and welcomed all around the world and not likely to be attacked by evildoers? Oh my.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
35. I do not think anyone who has ever lost somone to war
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:46 PM
Dec 2013

or comes from a country in the crosshairs would see the harmlessness you speak of.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
36. Comprehensive Fail.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
Dec 2013

The NORAD tracker is good fun. The fucking weapons of war tacked on is not. They're keeping Santa safe? From what, exactly?

For the first time in history, little children will be made to worry that someone might kill Santa Claus.

It's just fucking stupid.

 

tina tron

(160 posts)
46. It's called propaganda
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Dec 2013

and there used to be a law about broadcasting US government propaganda to US citizens.

harun

(11,348 posts)
88. You really think armed fighter jets protecting santa is to teach kids the military
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:28 PM
Dec 2013

does things besides fight wars?

What if the NORAD image had UN relief cargo planes escorting Santa? I am betting your tune would change dramatically. Think about it.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
127. Santa is the Magic of the Old Man of the North - He doesn't need escorts and has made it
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:07 AM
Dec 2013

alive for centuries, even through The Wild Hunts (actually he leads them). It's co-opting the myth and the message, and indeed, can't we have one freakin' day out of the year without being reminded that the MIC hates us and wants to keep us all a'skeered?

If he is in danger, why doesn't Europe or Australia or South America scramble jets as he flies? Why just North America?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
90. I was scrolling looking for a defender/apologist of this.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:34 PM
Dec 2013

Found it! This is the military hungry for bodies.

 

CorrectOfCenter

(101 posts)
125. I'm with you.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:05 AM
Dec 2013

Honestly, I am just sick and tired of watching people faint over the smallest things day in and day out.

You are getting attacked for your post, while others are comparing our government to the Nazis and getting not one negative reply.

People are getting so sick and twisted with their hatred for their own country that it's almost frightening.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
121. And try as people might to get out of their enlistment...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 07:06 AM
Dec 2013

They can't, there ain't no sanity clause. Or is there?

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
42. Get on Target! Be the target!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:02 PM
Dec 2013

This gun is so realistic that it will draw counter-fire from nervous policemen!

Mattel is not responsible for any misunderstandings between the user of this product and any other person. Mattel guarantees that this product will perform as advertised to all owners, living or dead.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,319 posts)
113. My brother and I had those. They lasted about a half a day.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:40 AM
Dec 2013

Me: Braaap!
My dad (from downstairs): Knock it off you are giving me a headache!
Me: Braaap!
My dad: Knock it off!
Me: Braaaaaaap!!
<sound of dad charging up the stairs>
Smash! Smash! Smaaaash!!

All gone.

Looking back, those toys were probably given us by an enemy of my parents

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
34. Good luck finding jets that can land on roughly 80 millions of rooftops in one night!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:46 PM
Dec 2013

Assuming the jet escort is only for the United States....

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
38. This is your Christmas Mission Profile ...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:55 PM
Dec 2013

Primary target: Christmas tree installation in the living room
Secondary target: The missile-toe complex in the doorway.
Fused gift delivery at zero altitude ...

 
40. The question of course
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:57 PM
Dec 2013

is why the government is wasting time and resources with this in the first place. Ok, it's cute, but is it even remotely necessary?

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
128. Wonderful story as to how NORAD started tracking Santa - but with this one video they can
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:16 AM
Dec 2013

erase decades of good will. I still like watching Santa on radar here on tv on the evening of the 24th. Old Magic interspersed with New Magic.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
44. Now this is a "War on Christmas". Wonder what Bill and Sarah think?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:18 PM
Dec 2013

Probably A-OK with this.

But what would Jesus think? Probably not keen on the concept. I'm sick of the militarism that's permeating our entire society. Can't see a sports event without the US military getting involved. Now this. I'm sorry, time to seriously reduce the defense budget and eliminate the ridiculous PR costs that add nothing to our defense.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
47. I don't like this.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:47 PM
Dec 2013

Santa has always managed just fine without the military muscling in. They need to butt out.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. Ah the unveiling of the super duper secret
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:50 PM
Dec 2013

Mach 20 capable, high atmospheric flight jets. (And they have nuclear reactors to boot as a power plant)

Is this targeted at China? They are getting coal this year for that air defense zone.

TeamPooka

(24,217 posts)
56. email Norad to let them know you don't like this: noradtrackssanta@outlook.com
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 02:11 PM
Dec 2013

noradtrackssanta@outlook.com

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
61. They don't want St. Nick running off with any state secrets.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 02:45 PM
Dec 2013

After all, he knows if you've been bad or good.

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
66. So much for
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:17 PM
Dec 2013

"Peace on Earth, goodwill toward men".

Or, as NORAD's Hauptmann Davis would put it..."yada yada yada".

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
67. And Santa, rebel that he is, changes flight plans...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:22 PM
Dec 2013

flying low under the radar



Seriously, adding war planes to the image of a tradition that should represent peace and goodwill? Seems to me that is the very definition of war on Christmas.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
69. What I want to know is: will Santa be required to pass through TSA security?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

How about Rudolph and the rest of the reindeer?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
70. They're just following him
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:34 PM
Dec 2013

So he doesn't crash into a building and catch it on fire, and collapse it in under 2 hours at 10 stories a second.

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
72. They're just protecting him from the War on Christmas
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:37 PM
Dec 2013

We haven't elevated the War to include antiaircraft guns...give it time.

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
76. This happens when he enters North American airspace.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

It's been like that for years. Some years, it's the Royal Canadian Air Force who greets him. They welcome him in and usher him through, letting all aircraft know that the air is open only for Santa. It's really not all that much-just that Santa is in North American air space and that he's being greeted by the military (usually Canadian) and that it's time for children to get in bed very soon.


My daughter and I used to listen and watch every year and they've done it for years. I guess they just showed it on the site for this year.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
99. My husband and I check it for fun. We love the Taj Mahal sequence and London
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:16 PM
Dec 2013

We are adults without kids (our relatives with kids also visit the Santa Tracker!), and we enjoy checking out the Santa Tracker "updates" every year. We love hearing that Santa has safely delivered gifts to all the children in Australia, Japan, etc. It is silly but it actually makes the world seem a little better for a night.

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
115. My 13 year old and I will check it yet again this year
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:59 AM
Dec 2013

even though we're long past the age that Santa visits. It's cutesy and fun.

The fighter jets sequence has been on the site for years. I don't understand why it's such a big deal now. They escort him into free airspace and supposedly advise all fights to land so Santa has a clear path ahead of him, with no obstructions. (yep, so many years of watching it, I still remember it all.)

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
77. Santa is a mythological creature in...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 03:52 PM
Dec 2013

the American civil pantheon. This action is therefore consigning NORAD to the realm of mythology. Or were they already there?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
89. since the 30s there's been a lot of commentary on the replacement of myth and mainstream
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:33 PM
Dec 2013

theology with science and technology--not in the way that creationists claim, but as a sublimatory phenomenon that inspired everything from Lenin to "Houses of the Holy": we have Raptures for Nerds jostling with delusions of godhood through rocketry

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
94. There's been other delusions, too.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:58 PM
Dec 2013

Materialism has played a *gigantic* role in much of this(not all, though), TBH.....one more prominent modern example is the "global warming will somehow kill all humanity" stuff that's been going around amongst mostly the fringes of the environmentalist movement(I mean, yes, AGW is a serious problem that ought to be dealt with.....but it's not going to cause humanity to somehow become extinct!). Another, and this one is *particularly* disgusting, would be the "Racism is natural/all humans are racist" school of thought(which somehow managed to survive the WWII era, despite its roots in eugenicist thinking). Or how about "humans are little more than glorified apes"?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
81. Why would they want to shoot him down?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
Dec 2013

He knows if you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so the NSA would probably consider him an "asset".

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
91. i don't see anything sinister about this, necessarily, TBH.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:41 PM
Dec 2013

With that said, though, what was the point of adding the fighter jets? Might appeal to some boys, maybe, but I have a feeling this will backfire on them.....

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
95. Getting rid of the wing tip A2A missiles is the obvious solution.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:28 PM
Dec 2013

The underbelly expanded fuel tank is not a big deal but I don't see that on the official site: http://www.noradsanta.org/

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
96. I saw this on NECN tonight and thought it must be a joke.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:42 PM
Dec 2013

Whoever thought of this deserves coal in his stocking.
Sickening.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
100. Military escort for Santa?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:37 PM
Dec 2013

That's hilarious! Why would Santa need a military escort? Are they worried the North Koreans will shoot him down?

What a dumb idea.



Liberty Belle

(9,533 posts)
112. This news editor's response just sent to NORADSANTA.com:
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:32 AM
Dec 2013

As a news editor at East County Magazine, which has 150,000 readers a month, we’ve always linked to your site each Christmas eve. But after reading this story, we won’t be this year unless you change your policy:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/12/02/pentagon-tracking-santa-with-new-twist-armed-jet-fighters/aFYyrQhOjNlZw9OnsKSWQM/story.html?s_campaign=email_BG_TodaysHeadline

Weapons such as war planes have no place in a website for children. Christmas is a celebration of the holiday spirit – peace on earth, goodwill to men.

Having fighter jets guiding Santa is the antithesis of that.

What were you thinking?

I hope to hear that you’ve rethought this decision which is in very bad taste, and will eliminate the weapons and militaristic imagery from the site so that we can once again refer children to your otherwise very creative and good-spirited effort.

I grew up enjoying this site as a child, as did my children, and the children of many of our news sites readers.

Please let me know if you change this policy.

Miriam Raftery, Editor
www.EastCountyMagazine.org
editor@eastcountymagazine.org

bananas

(27,509 posts)
118. Here are some other Santa trackers.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:09 AM
Dec 2013

TheSantaTracker.com is really good,
they have a controllable christmas tree up now,
and a santa cam ustream video feed on christmas eve which is fun.

Santaupdate.com and TrackingSanta.com seem to be part of a network of Chistmas sites.

Norad used to use google earth for its santa tracker,
but went with microsoft bing a few years ago,
so google has its own santa tracker.

http://thesantatracker.com/

http://santaupdate.com/

http://trackingsanta.net/

http://www.google.com/santatracker/

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
117. Nothing
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:43 AM
Dec 2013

is sacred, is it? Not even a child's belief in Santa Clause. Can't they just leave Santa alone and not mess up a perfectly wonderful little dream that a child has for a while in the beginning of his life? Hasn't Santa been driving the friendly skies for millennia with no "threat"? There is no justification for it except indoctrination. Are we China now?

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
119. Next up - TSA screening after he drops off presents so he can get back in the sleigh
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:47 AM
Dec 2013

And he better not try to take any of that milk to go - no liquids allowed.

Joining you in the

merrily

(45,251 posts)
120. I love the smell of ever-increasing US militarianism and nationalism in the morning.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 07:01 AM
Dec 2013

Homeland uber alles.

And if you're tempted to cite Godwin's fake law, don't even try it.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
122. Related Headline
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 07:33 AM
Dec 2013

NSA admits complete failure in effort to get into the North Pole Network.

"We have had absolutely no success in getting into the North Pole Communications Network. We have no idea what kind of encryption they're using, but it's good. We're really worried, I mean we stay up nights worrying about what they're talking about. Right now, we have no other option but to consider Santa a Terrorist who is trying to destroy this nation."

The United States denied that the fighter jets was an effort to intimidate Santa claiming non specific intelligence that Santa was in grave danger from Terrorists armed with anti-sleigh surface to air missiles.

"If we don't do this, if we don't escort him with our fighters, Rudolph could well take one right in the nose, and I'm not going to stand by and let that happen." General Jack D. Ripper of Team America declared.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
141. That was quite a surprise, how quickly Watertown and Cambridge
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:29 PM
Dec 2013

turned into Afghanistan, with five other towns also shut down, all for own good and safety of course.

Motherland Security is a huge success.

 

CorrectOfCenter

(101 posts)
124. Stop assuming all kids will be scared by this.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:02 AM
Dec 2013

I would've thought it was pretty effing awesome at that age.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
126. That is so twisted.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:24 AM
Dec 2013

Expose our youth to the "protect us at all costs" mentality.
Was this a "suggestion" from Cheney?

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
132. It's part of the US government's "Everyone is a Terrorist" policy.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:38 AM
Dec 2013

Hence Santa getting tailed by fighters, TSA patdowns, police beatings of protesters, and NSA invasions of privacy

 

happyfunball

(80 posts)
139. The Militarization of American Culture
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:16 PM
Dec 2013

Wow, what a statement on the militarization of American culture.

In a book or movie this would have been great satire.

So much satire of American culture from 20 or 30 years ago is becoming reality.

We are a parody of ourselves.

Just give me my Soylent Green and let me watch some rollerball.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
145. That's some twisted shit there. The underlying message is clear
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:51 PM
Dec 2013

Give us the budget funding levels we want or Santa gets a bunker buster in his lap.

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