Since the Beatles, ALL of the world's heroes have been Black....

[Bennyboy]

Ali, Bob Marley, Mandela........Even Michael Jackson could be included in this.

Possibly Reagan for the white folk but too many people hate him worldwide to even think about that. Nobody else comes to mind, nobody else is considered peacemaker/prophet/oracle/lightning rod like those three.

(for me Jimmy Carter is like that but too many people would not hold him in such high esteem)

Some are working hard for all people that is sure, but they have not become "The face" for anything.....


Bono? Certainly doing his thing. Same with Oprah (Well, guess what?) and all the celebrities that are out there doing stuff to help, but really has anyone since the Fab Four captured the hearts and minds of the planet like the three listed at the top?....

[Skittles]

1. WTF?

[msanthrope]

65. Seriously. He should stop bogarting, and pass it over. nt

[iamthebandfanman]

85. meaning ...

what exactly?

[rufus dog]

90. It seems like a conversation that would occur while stoned

And was Lech Welesa black?

[Eleanors38]

108. Beat me to it. Bet he played a mean flutaphone.

The Polish Communist aparatchick Welesa negotiated with deserves credit as well.

[xmas74]

131. I haven't smoked in over 14 years.

(I have a 13 year old at home.)

The OP makes me want to take it back up, if only to understand WTF he's talking about.

Smoke, then order a delivery pizza. With lots of water.

[Aerows]

91. Mother Teresa

apparently wasn't famous enough, nor was she influential on the number of lives as the other folks.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

2. Yeah,

I can dig it!

[LanternWaste]

3. Springsteen. 'nuff said.

"peacemaker/prophet/oracle/lightning rod"

Springsteen. 'nuff said.

[Bennyboy]

10. To white people. Like Dylan as well,

Black people don't know who the hell Bruce Springsteen is. or Bob Dylan. Certainly not kids in Africa, or Iran, or everywhere who worship Bob Marley.. and Mandela. And, Ali.

[LanternWaste]

12. You imagine you speak for all minorities?

My minority co-workers know who he is, foreigners know who he is certainly kids in Iran know who he is...

(insert rationalization here)

[Bennyboy]

29. Oh boy Bruce fanboy...

Can you possibly tell me that, ALL OVER THE WORLD, from Rio to North Pole, in every continent that Bruce Springsteen is revered like The three I mention? That is ridiculous. I love Bruce like crazy, but that is insane. One liberated people from tyranny, spent 27 years in jail fighting for his beliefs......Bruce wrote Born To Run and sells CD's at Walmart for cripes sake.

BTW, it is well known that Bob Dylan prefers the company of black women, and black culture because he is not "BOB DYLAN" to them. Neither Bruce nor Bob resonate with (many) people of color and you know it to be true.

Whereas you see Bob Marley resonating with people all over the globe. "Get Up, stand Up" is the fight song right?

And Ali, what he did for Africa is incalculable. And he was a hero to many for doing the right thing while stirring up the people and having to face penalties for his stance, money and titles be dammned. Ali's stance did an awful lot to bring and end to the war.


Seriously Bruce is awesome, but he is a rock and roll guy. Glad that he does what he does, but he would tell you he don't deserve to be the same company...

[LanternWaste]

32. pretending to speak for minorities world wide does not in fact, mean you peak for minorities world w

Again, pretending to speak for minorities world wide does not in fact, mean you peak for minorities world wide...

Regardless of how you wish to rationalize it otherwise, or use fan-boy style name-calling-- it's still simply pretending. Good luck in your pretenses though. And your continuing education!!!




Unless... you have evidence that you speak for minorities world wide? Nope? Then you're just making thing up? Yes?

[K.O. Stradivarius]

89. Bruce Springsteen - 120 million albums sold

Bob Marley - 75 million albums sold.

Hell... even ABBA, Bon Jovi, Backstreet Boys, Kiss, Meatloaf, New Kids On The Block leave him in the dust.

He is tied with Motley Crue, so I guess that does put him with good company.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

132. I'm black and a huge Springsteen and Dylan fan. WTF, man?!?

[el_bryanto]

4. Wrong 'em Boyo. nt

[BeyondGeography]

9. Too right

Our white man in Hammersmith Palais...Joe Strummer, RIP.

[kiva]

5. So, what color is the sky in your world?

[BlueStreak]

6. I'm pretty sure Spongebob Squarepants is not black

[cynatnite]

7. Men. n/t

[Bennyboy]

8. Oprah?

She just might be single most recognizable face on the planet that is still living......Certainly a hero........

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

16. I hear you man, but...

...that retail clerk in Switzerland didn't recognize her here relatively recently.

[cynatnite]

64. You named ONE woman...only one...and it wasn't Rosa Parks!

and while I don't disregard her accomplishments, she is more celeb than hero. Don't get me wrong. I do like Oprah a lot, but her accomplishments are nothing compared to this list of women....

Hillary Clinton
Queen Elizabeth I
Benazir Bhutto
Indira Ghandi
Billy Jean King
Rosa Parks
Helen Keller
Marie Curie
Florence Nightingale
Jane Goodall

These are heroes and they are women who deserve to be ranked a thousand times higher than Oprah.

[Luminous Animal]

106. Hear hear! I'll add Eleanore Roosevelt

[Eleanors38]

111. Think so?

[Oscarmonster13]

11. wait, what?

I could try to list some but my brain hurts just thinking about the premise of this argument... :nuts:

[Rex]

13. Nonsense.

Doc Hendley, Pushpa Basnet, Razia Jan...just to name a few out of the thousands.

[Cleita]

14. There have been three Christ-like figures influential

in the twentieth century, Mohandes Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. None are white. All could be considered martyrs. Two were assassinated and one spent 27 years in prison, a kind of attempted assassination of the spirit. I can't think of any white men of their stature and contribution in changing the world in working to free the oppressed.

Of women, I can think of Mother Theresa and Malala the Afghani girl shot by the Taliban. Both have shone a light on the oppressed, whether the destitute and dying or women wanting to be free from their patriarchal prisons imposed by their societies. Anybody else?

[Scootaloo]

22. Teresa was a media creation, though

She did less for people than your buck-fifty in a gas station donation can does. People remained destitute and dying under her "care," despite millions coming to her from around the world. I won't go as far as Hitchens and say she exploited these people - I think she honestly thought she was helping them... but I'm sure each of them would have preferred medicine over prayer.

[Cleita]

24. What she accomplished was showing the world people

do starve and die in the streets in nations with wealth because we have antiquated social systems that don't look after the least of us.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

76. So was Ali

By his own self promotion, largely assisted by Howard Cosell and Don King.

[Kurska]

26. Harvey Milk to the gay community n/t

[Bennyboy]

39. Thank you way more articulate

than I am. I gotta toss Bob Marley in there as well. Everywhere you go there he is.
Ghandi was pre Beatles so I excluded him....

[Luminous Animal]

107. I've travelled the world. And, unfortunately,the band I hear

wherever I go is the Eagles. Go figure.

[Bennyboy]

114. Peaceful, Easy Feeling indeed.....

but still.

[Arugula Latte]

133. Sounds like you've been running down the road tryin' to loosen your load

[Luminous Animal]

137. Mostly stuck in the Hotel California.

[Igel]

79. Sakharov.

Solzhenitsyn.

Except that both were rather an embarrassment for a while. Even among university faculty, those who adored the other three, nobody liked them. This was for a number of reasons: Some didn't want to piss off the Soviet Union, because they needed access to the country or its researchers; others would say it was bad, but didn't want to fully embrace how evil the system was, with the GULags and KGB. Many didn't want to because it made them sound "right wing" or seemed to ally themselves with domestic political enemies. It also mattered less because the USSR wasn't outside or cross-racial oppression. Many faculty members who reluctantly taught Solzhenitsyn and a lot of anti-Soviet Russian literature abandoned it just as soon as they could, preferring instead to look at pre-Soviet or Modernist works, glossing over the entire Soviet "mess" and heading straight to post-Soviet belle lettres likes Tolstaya, Pelevin, Sorokin, and such.

Mandela stood up to a repressive racist government over 21 million.

MLK stood up against a government that was split and in transition in its treatment of African-Americans.

Gandhi led a movement against an Empire that was struggling with its empire anyway, and had no heart for continuing truly repressive acts.

All three had a lot of support. Sakharov had support at the end mostly because of abstractions--not for overthrow and defeat of a nasty regime, but freedom of conscience, freedom to emigrate. People breathed a sigh of relief at Gorbachev's "socialism with a human face." It resonated in ways that anti-colonialism did or disposing of neocolonialist governments did--not in the way disposing of the Soviet regime did.

The Russians were fairly alone in resisting a government over 180 million, with a kind of empire covering perhaps 100 million more.

[Marr]

110. Two of them have been reimagined as purely passive martyrs...

by an establishment that very much depends on poor people sitting silently and enduring abuse.

Even Martin Luther King was effective mainly because he was the peaceful *alternative*.

[cthulu2016]

15. Um... the Beatles were "for the white folk"

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

19. No, no, no, no.....

Mathew, Mark, John, Paul, George, and Ringo were for all humanity.

[Bennyboy]

41. Pretty sure you can put John in with the rest of them...

As far as heroes to the world goes. I think the picture from Ukraine yesterday bears that out.

And really if you don't get the global impact of the Beatles, then I don't know what to tell you.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

50. That's pretty close.

I saw McCartney in Vienna this past summer and he mentioned at that show about playing in Kiev and how animated the audience was.

[brooklynite]

17. WHy is Bob Marley a "hero"?

Talented? Perhaps. What makes him heroic.

[ScreamingMeemie]

103. He died young.

When you die young, you become somewhat "more" than what you actually were in life. Not that he was a bad guy...

[The_Commonist]

18. Well, that's just silly.

Why don't we just say that heroes come in all colors, shapes, sizes, sexes, nationalities and religious (or non) backgrounds? And maybe just leave it at that?

Unless, of course, you want to be divisive, thereby falling into the trap that the owners of society want you to fall into. You know, that divide and conquer agenda that leaves the rest of clutching at each others' throats?

That's how I prefer to approach these things. Your mileage may vary.

[Kurska]

20. Yeah because all those doctors and researchers improving your life through medical advancements

Some of whom were white, not heroes at all. Such distinctions are reserved for real heroes like bob marley.



No offense, but this might be the worst OP I've ever seen on DU. The fact that you're putting vacuous celebrities with charitable causes above and beyond men and women, of all races, who are expanding the limits the human medical and scientific knowledge is disgusting.

[cthulu2016]

23. The phrase "the worst OP I've ever seen on DU"gets thrown around a lot...

But I think you are onto something.

[ScreamingMeemie]

105. It's like there is a secret contest going on or something...

[BeyondGeography]

25. Michael Jackson>>>>>Jonas Salk

[CatWoman]

27. ok

that just made me laugh out loud like a banshee

[WinkyDink]

28. Salk pre-dated the Beatles. :-)

[Cali_Democrat]

49. LOL

[Dorian Gray]

141. Hah

Definitely! ::Eyeroll::

I can't think of anyone MORE heroic than Michael Jackson.

[sharp_stick]

33. This is up there

in the What the hell kind of hallucinogenics is the OP involved with category that's for sure.

[Bennyboy]

47. Yeah, sorry...

I did not articulate myself well. I am sure you get what I mean though. People that are heroes to the world. Famous all over the planet. There are few of those people and for a long time they have all been people of color. MLK too, but not sure of his worldwide impact. Was his impact as great in Africa? Cuba? I might make the argument.

As much as a surgeon (Christian Barnard perhaps?) Scientist (Carl Sagan?) (Steve Jobs?)has value, they are not that type of person.

And I am sure you got that from the get go....and are into pissing in my cheerios anyway.

[fujiyama]

77. This may be the biggest fail of a thread I've seen

in a very, very long time.

[Aerows]

93. There is enough fail here

to raise the Titanic then sink it again.

[WinkyDink]

21. Lech Walesa? Aung San Suu Kyi? Neil Armstrong? (Or don't African kids see the moon?)

[Journeyman]

30. Lech Walesa. John Hume. Mikhael Gorbachev. Bruce Springsteen. . . .

You need to expand your weltanschauung, Bennyboy, or at least its hue. And more importantly, determine why you feel a need to engage in such divisiveness, and more importantly, recognize whose interest is served when absolutes are invoked for categorizing people.

[Kurska]

31. Harvey Milk

This thread can end now, k thx.

[Number23]

34. What "heroism" did the Beatles do?

[edbermac]

59. The Beatles saved Pepperland from the Blue Meanies!!

What, have you been living in a cave for the past 50 years??

[pintobean]

71. Number9

Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.

[Number23]

117. Heh... that makes about as much sense as the rest of this head scratching thread!

[rrneck]

35. Data could kick Spock's ass. nt

[Rex]

55. Worf on STNG or Worf on DS9?

nt.

[rrneck]

100. Maybe DS9, never STNG. Worf was bad ass. nt

[XemaSab]

112. I don't know why Data wasn't in demand as a sexbot

Tirelessness and strength aside, you could have truly no strings attached sex with him. That ship is too small for drama, but a robot's not going to make a scene.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

36. That is really a bizarre post. Bob Dylan, Mikhail Gorbachev, Bill Clinton, Steve Jobs....

to name just a very few who were being heroic long after Beatles broke up.

[Mojorabbit]

51. What "heroic" things did Bill Clinton do?

I have been up for the past few weeks in and out of the hospital with a sick hubs and am not exactly clear minded today but I can't for the life of me think of anything.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

67. on the Beatles scale of heroism...a lot

I'd say his work on peace in Ireland along with his work since being president on Clinton GLobal Initiative (such as getting affordable AIDS medicine to Africa) put him in that category. May not have been Sgt. Peppers, but still heroic.

[Mojorabbit]

72. Doesn't reach my definition of heroism

I do remember NAFTA and "welfare reform". I do however acknowledge that everyone has their own definition of the word. The guy who stood in front of the tank...that was a hero to me.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

84. again. this was in comparison to a wildly popular music group. Too bad you can't even admit

what he did that was good and of lasting benefit.

[Mojorabbit]

99. It was good, just not heroic. nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

102. so where's your post asking the same question of the OP

about what was so heroic about the Beatles?

[WinkyDink]

109. Well, for starters, we were war-less then. He balanced the budget.

[ZombieHorde]

68. Why is Steve Jobs a hero?

He exploited the poor to make a fortune. What is so heroic about that?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

70. he democratized computing

he did not exploit the poor. Partly due to his technology, any average human can gain access to information and technology enabling them to better their lives.

He was originator of Apple II C long before he was cranking out iPods and iPhones. And all of it occurred post-Beatles.

[ZombieHorde]

121. The IBM PC was before the Apple.

He definitely exploited the poor. The people at the factories that made the products were throwing themselves out the windows to escape the working conditions.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

123. No it wasn't. There's a reasonthe first Apple computer is in the Smithsonian.

Read some history.

[ZombieHorde]

126. Here is the history.

The first desktop computer kit, an Altair, that retailed for slightly less than $400, was sold in 1974 by Micro Instrumentation Telemetry Systems (MITS). Originally, desktop computers originally were just kits: Nothing assembled was sold until the 1980s. Even Steve Jobs's and Steve Wozniak's 1976 Apple I was a kit, the prototype for which was assembled in Jobs's garage.

The first assembled desktop computers were very expensive for the little that they did and ran on BASIC language, which the owner had to program. Only a few of them had any disk systems since mainly, the data was loaded from tape. The first home computers had programs and data loaded from a cassette tape machine. One of these was the RadioShack TRS-80, which was sold in two versions in 1984. The price was $799 for 8KB version, and $1134 for the 32KB version. A floppy drive for this was around $400 more, but that came later.

The first desktop computer that became the pattern for the current home computer was the IBM PC Junior, which sold for $669 and $1,269. Half a million were sold. From this design, there were many imitations, which manufacturers shamelessly sold as "IBM PC Clones." In fact, the operating system for this prototype was bought by Microsoft from the Seattle Computing company and licensed for use by IBM. The relationship lasted for several years and is the basis for the early profits of the Microsoft Corporation. However, the licensing agreement was terminated in 1993 with the advent of Microsoft MS-DOS version 6, which brought more functionality to the operating system.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_5108621_history-desktop-computers.html#ixzz2n2aEa2QH

[Pretzel_Warrior]

127. Apple 1 was a kit in name only. It had complete circuit board with components and

Could connect to a keyboard and terminal without add-ons. IBM mass produced. But Apple was first.

[ZombieHorde]

130. Why isn't Steve Wozniak, the guy who created the Apple I, considered a hero? nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

135. Because without Jobs' business and marketing sense, the Woz

Would have tinkered around forever and with little payoff.

[ZombieHorde]

136. Where would Jobs be without Wozniak? nt

[bigwillq]

37. None of those have ever been my hero

Celebrities/politicians are not my hero.




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[1000words]

38. Really showing us who you are lately, Benny.

Me, I've had enough of your "wisdom." Welcome to ignore.

[Politicalboi]

40. Aren't you forgetting Cheap Trick?

They were supposed to be the next "Beatles"

Could it be possible the same person who said that introduced New Coke. Probably not, but the same bad taste in the mouth.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

44. Cheap Trick? Oh, you mean like how Oasis was the next Beatles? And Radiohead was the next Beatles?

[Fumesucker]

42. There are heroes whose names we will probably never know

[fujiyama]

81. Now that is courage...

[Captain Stern]

94. Always a moving picture.

I hadn't seen the following pic of the same incident until recently. Very powerful image.

[yawnmaster]

43. Please define "hero". So much depends on the definition you are using. eom

[mstinamotorcity2]

45. okay everybody I don't get this one.

But what do I know about being black

[devils chaplain]

46. The Dalai Lama is a brother?

Granted he has Michael Jordan's (lack of) hairdo, but I always assumed he was Asian.

[Cali_Democrat]

54. The Dalai Lama isn't Asian

He's human.

We're all part of the human race.

[devils chaplain]

101. Agreed...

Just a silly joke for a silly thread.

[Vattel]

48. Bob Marley vs Cesar Chavez, live on espn.

Chavez knocks out Marley in the first round. (To be fair Marley was hitting the ganja pretty hard before the fight.)

[HappyMe]

52. Marley is a lover, not a fighter.

He wouldn't even show up for that shit.

[Vattel]

116. The fight was only metaphorical. I was suggesting that Chavez is more of a hero.

No offense to Marley fans. He was awesome.

[Bennyboy]

53. I am sorry, I never meant to offend anyone..

Sometimes, i ahve trouble articulating myself. This is one of them times. A terrible job of it.

So sorry. Everyone is a hero. Obama is a hero and George Bush is a hero. Newt Gingrich is a hero for sticking up for Mandela. White people, black people, yellow people and pet lovers are all heroes..

[Cali_Democrat]

56. I'm a hero?

Awesome!!

[Rex]

58. What about fictional heroes? Sure they don't exist but

who says their tales have not inspired millions over the years?

Gandalf is definitely a hero. Khan Noonien Singh? No...not a hero, but one to his people so yes technically he was sorta.

[Bennyboy]

74. It was Tom Sawyer for me.....

I've been down that cave before. In fact it is lot like that now... "C'mon Becky, let's go".......

[Skittles]

75. put down the pipe and get some sleep

yes INDEED

[Cali_Democrat]

78. Bob Marley is a hero to pot smokers

worldwide

[Warren DeMontague]

57. What about Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, hah, smart guy?

You don't GET any whiter than that.

[MirrorAshes]

60. derp

derp-dee-derp derp.

That's what I took away from this, anyway.

[Boom Sound 416]

87. + derp

[Glassunion]

61. Are we talking heroes or just world famous folks?

What exactly were the Beatles the "Face" for?

[edbermac]

62. Oh yeah? What about Donny and Marie?

[B Calm]

63. Total nonsense.

[Throd]

66. Bruce Lee wasn't black.

[Chan790]

69. Of all the people you've named...

none of them have had a wider global impact over the past 40 years than Ronald McDonald, Mickey Mouse and Pope John Paul II.

Mandela and JP II could be close.

I could easily argue that since the Beatles, all of the world's heroes have been artifacts of media creation.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

80. But, none of them have an icd tea named after them.

To me, that's the only true indication of ones fame, importance and influence on the world...

[devils chaplain]

104. Eh...

I wonder if anyone's ever mixed a Bob Marnold Palmer?

[FrodosPet]

124. Somebody will tomorrow

Challenge accepted.

[Revanchist]

139. For good or for bad

[JI7]

73. why are you comparing Mandela to entertainment figures ?

[aristocles]

82. Sorry, too much a generalization

I'm sure there are "world heroes" throughout the world, of many diverse ethnicities and color, that we know nothing of.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

83. All those mentiond so far

live (or would have lived), in the shadow of greatness of this man...

[fujiyama]

86. I think you have the words "hero" and "celebrity" mixed up...

A celebrity does not a hero make. Simply becoming famous and donating some of the excess fortune you've made does not make you a hero.

Sorry, this thread fails. Not only does it trivialize actual heroic acts, I find it be race-baiting garbage.

[Boom Sound 416]

88. I think it's time to turn off the tv and go outside and play

[napkinz]

92. What about Justin Bieber!

[DrDan]

142. Miley Cyrus!!! - rubbing elbows with Pres Obama, Pope Francis, Kathleen Sebelius, Edward Snowden

all contenders for Time's 2013 Person of the Year

If that does not qualify one to be called a "hero", not sure what does.

[Aerows]

95. This OP is nearly as good as

a Nickleback cover band.

[bluestate10]

96. This OP should have been deleted by Admins. I can't think of a more deserving deletion.

There have been many heroes since the Beatles, those heroes of been from every race and ethnic group under that sun.

[Autumn]

97. Really?

[Courtesy Flush]

98. Not sure about the Beatles connection.

Are you saying the Beatles split up to go forth and stamp out white heroes? Why couldn't they do this as a team?

[CFLDem]

113. What about Bill?

Sorry but Bill Clinton ranks up there with all those heroes, too.

And let's not forget bono...

[AuntFester]

115. Malala Yousufzai

[NaturalHigh]

118. Epic fail. Tragic fail, even...

and I would argue that neither Bob Marley or Michael Jackson compare to Kurt Cobain.

[BlueJazz]

119. Depends on who is there. "The World" is a pack of dumb fucks with a smattering of brains.....

.....once in a while.

[rurallib]

120. wanted to make sure Billie Jean King gets a mention

and in the small fry category- the Iowa Supreme Court for their decision in Obrien v. Barnum. Got 3 of them a plaque in the Profiles in Courage wing. ( gay marriage decision)

[ScreamingMeemie]

122. My father...4 year younger than John Lennon...hated the Beatles.

Things (and people) tend to become larger than life after they're gone. "Hearts and minds" is a bit heavy for a band.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

125. I did/do too.

And I'm 57.

A few good songs, but marginally talented and vastly over rated.
To this day, I could never understand their appeal or popularity.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. I'm not even sure *all* the Beatles qualify.

We all love Ringo, don't get me wrong

[immoderate]

129. Not a new phenomenon ... consider Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Dorothy Dandridge.

Intercontinental personalities without compare.

--imm

[Corruption Inc]

134. Preach racism much? LOL

It's amazing what is allowed to stay on these boards.

[Courtesy Flush]

144. I'm more upset that he's blaming the Beatles!

We all know that The Eagles are to blame!

[scheming daemons]

138. this may be the worst OP ever

On what universe would Michael Jackson be considered a "hero"?

Or Bob Marley... or the Beatles?

They're musicians. Great ones.

But heroes?

[intaglio]

140. Errm, Bob Marley - the "Smile Jamaica" concert

Performance 2 days after being shot. Smile Jamaica was an attempt an attempt to reconcile the 2 Jamaican political factions who were, literally at war.

[pnwmom]

143. You forgot Elvis. But "Hero" does not equal "major celebrity."

Or J.K. Rowling would also be a "hero." And Lady Gaga.

[FatBuddy]

145. you must have a very small world