I would like to announce that as a young person I hunted for food

[Pretzel_Warrior]

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I think a lot of poor people in Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. do hunt for food. I do not own any guns now, and I don't believe I will ever go hunting again. However, I think impoverished people have fewer choices which is why organic and locovore trends are mostly good for people with higher incomes and very poor people end up doing what they need to do to survive.

There was one year when the deer my dad got ended up being a big deal for our diet as a family of six.

EDIT: Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm holding a 12 guage shotgun for a friend of mine since he's living in NYC. Since I have no shells for it, I guess the most it can be used for is a bludgeon.

[pnwmom]

1. We fished for food. Same thing. n/t

[bigwillq]

2. Nothing wrong with hunting for food.

I wish healthier food was more affordable for all people.

[RebelOne]

7. I agree, but trophy hunting I hate. n/t

[bigwillq]

25. So do I (nt)

[Mojorabbit]

37. No, nothing wrong with it at all. I prefer it to factory farmed meat nt

[HappyMe]

3. My husband did the same.

He comes from a family of 8.

They hunted and fished for their meat. All the time.

There's nothing wrong with that. I know a bunch of people in WI that do that now. They always get enough to give to the food pantries that can take frozen meat.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

5. that's a good iea. Yeah, my brother and I used to do a lot of fishing in the lake near us too.

[HappyMe]

6. There's a Hunt For the Hungry Program in WI.

Or at least there was. The processing place would process the meat for 1/2 price if you were giving it away to the poor.

My husband talks about rabbit hunting, deer fishing, squirrels.... all spoken with affection for his bros and the satisfaction of bringing home meat for the table.

[etherealtruth]

4. "...very poor people end up doing what they need to do to survive"

Of this I have no doubt

[Heather MC]

8. Nothing wrong with hunting, but i bet you never needed an AR15, to take down

Bambi's cousins.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

10. you are right. I am for restriction of some guns out there. and univeral background checks

including gun show and private transactions.

[Heather MC]

13. I like Chris Rock's Plan, Give them the gun but Charge $5,000 per bullet

freedom and capitalism

winwin

[Ranchemp.]

20. Wouldn't work,

I reload my own ammo, as do thousands upon thousands of gun owners.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

70. Ok, $5000 per primer ...

so don't drop one of those little things.

But it's a dumb idea anyway. There'd be a black market for smuggled rounds or primers. Sounds good on comedy TV.

[Ranchemp.]

73. I love Chris Rock's stand up comedy routines,

and my favorite movie with him is Bad Company.
And you're right, there would be a hell of a black market for primers.

[cleanhippie]

77. Other than Chris rock being an idiot know-nothing...

That's a great plan!



Who would mandate the price of ammo? The government? Really? If the government can do that, they can also mandate the price of gas, groceries, health insurance, cable TV, .....

Chris Rick is a comedian, not a policy advisor. And for good reason.

[hack89]

80. You do realize Chris Rock is not a constitutional scholar?

his idea is blatantly unconstitutional - we are talking settled case law for decades.

[spin]

17. Some hunters do use AR15 or the higher powered AR10 to hunt deer but ...

most states limit the magazine capacity used while hunting with any semi-auto rifle to five rounds.

There is no realistic reason to have a 20 or 30 round magazine to hunt deer as your chances of getting a clean kill drop significantly after the first shot. I remember that Florida limited the size of a magazine used while hunting many years ago as the "spray and pray" approach to hunting endangered other hunters.

While I am not a hunter, I live in an area where the sport is popular and many people hunt deer during the season to stock their freezers with meat. The hunters that I have talked to use bolt or lever action rifles. Many feel an AR15 is underpowered for deer hunting.

I understand a hunter can use an AR15 with a hi-cap magazine to hunt hog on private property in Florida. Feral hogs are considered pests as they are not a native species and they do considerable damage to the environment. Feral hogs are the second most popular large game for hunters in Florida and white tailed deer are the most popular.

In the area of Florida where I now live it is wise to be alert for deer when driving. There is a significant deer population and they have a tendency to run out right in front of your car and can cause significant damage if you hit one. Hunting helps to keep the deer population under control.

[Sgent]

38. Even if you wanted too

its illegal to hunt dear with an AR-15 in most states.

The gun isn't powerful enough, and the majority of states require at least a .243 (the AR-15 is a .223) bullet.

[Packerowner740]

68. But I thought most news reports when talking about ar15s always call them hi powered rifles

Why would they do that if they are not even hi powered, or are they?

[Sgent]

69. Depends on what you mean by

"high powered".

They are generally considered to be a low powered rifle. That being said, they have greater than normal muzzle velocity which means they can punch through body armor, wood, etc. However, they have very little stopping power compared to a larger rifle. They are the favored guns of infantrymen because the ammo is very light, and it does have muzzle velocity.

That being said, most sniper rifles are .308, and many people would consider that the minimum stopping power to take down deer - elk, with the next step up a 30-06. Both of those guns do a lot more damage than a .223, but have heavier ammunition not useful for burst firing, and a much larger kick which make them more difficult to fire controlled multiple shots.

Obviously a .223 is able to kill small animals and kill people very effectively, and its a dangerous weapon as all weapons are. That being said, its considered a varmit gun whose limit in size would be a coyote or opossum. The difference is its less likely to do a "clean" kill, meaning that the hunter will have to track the animal until it finally dies, which could be miles and generally ruins the meat and makes for a less humane hunt.

[Bandit]

95. One reason the military went to small caliber bullets is they found that when you kill

an enemy soldier you take one person off the battle field but when you wound a person you take four people off the field. They used that logic when they changed the fragmentation grenade from the pineapple grenade to today's version. Instead of throwing big chunks of metal around like the pineapple grenade did, they now use a grenade with a steel wire coiled inside and notched every quarter inch, so when it explodes it sends out hundreds of tiny shards of steel about the size of a pencil lead one quarter inch long. They were designed to injure instead of killing.

[Katashi_itto]

9. I've several guns, for hunting

My pride and joy is my Sharp's 1874 Quigley. A reproduction of the movie's weapon. But then I've a thing for elegant weapons.

[cynatnite]

11. That used to be us...

Hunting and fishing sustained us through some lean times.

[Blue_In_AK]

12. We just had a nice bowl of moose bone soup for lunch.

My brother was kind enough to share some of his bounty this fall. We also eat halibut and salmon from the sea. A lot of people up here hunt and fish for food.

[NYC_SKP]

14. A lot of people get preachy behind what they THINK is a sustainable lifestyle.

They'll bash people who eat meat or use a rifle to get it or carry a sidearm for backup or protection in the wild, while they take wild game or foul.

Preachy as they can afford their expensive organic fare (not found in poorer neighborhoods).

Yet completely oblivious to the carbon footprint of their trips to Europe, their VW Tiguan, or 3,600 square foot home.

We raised chickens, occasionally slaughtered a hog, and grew all our vegetables and fruits, selling some surplus to the market in town.

[appal_jack]

15. Nicely stated.

We may not agree on everything, Pretzel_Warrior, but I appreciate this story of your past!



-app

[badtoworse]

16. One summer, I fished for it to save money.

Other than that, need has not driven my fishing for food. I love to fish and have always shared the bounty when I've done well.

[Cleita]

18. I lived with a foster family for a year when I was in high school and venison was the

only meat we ate other than salt pork that was used to flavor beans, which we ate a lot of too. My foster dad and his sons hunted for the deer that fed us.

[csziggy]

19. Over Thanksgiving weekend my Mom talked about growing up

Poor during the Depression. Her father was a carpenter - no jobs at all for him in rural Alabama in the 1930s. They managed to eat from what he could hunt - squirrels, deer, possums, rabbits, birds - and what her Mom could grow in a kitchen garden when they lived in a place where there was a place to put a garden. Many years, they had to live with relatives who had space to share and could afford to add five more mouths to feed.

She said they ate a lot of squirrels. Even when they lived in town, her brothers could manage to shoot or catch a few squirrels nearly every day. She said her mother cooked them like chicken - floured and pan fried.

She worked hard to make sure her children didn't have to live as close to the edge as she did. Even when times were tight for her and my Dad, we were never as poor as she grew up being.

[missingthebigdog]

22. Used to have squirrel for breakfast

We spent summers in Tennessee with my grandparents. Almost every morning my grandfather went out before we even woke up and came back with "a mess" of squirrel. He cleaned them and fried them up for breakfast. We never thought anything of it.
My husband and I were just talking about this the other day. It had never occurred to me that everyone didn't use to eat squirrel.
My family hails from the Cumberland Plateau. Lots of people there hunt for food. Few use assault weapons to do so.....

[wendylaroux]

60. Same here

Dad, every morning,bring in the squirrels,I'd help skin them,and try to pick out the buck shot. Then Mom would fry it up,make biscuits and gravy,yummy.

And usually all nine of us would be spitting out buck shot every time. .

[X_Digger]

23. Yum!

Rabbit and squirrel are my two favorite small meats.

[demigoddess]

21. my dad was in the military

and once when money was tight (or non existent) he borrowed a gun and went hunting for rabbits and squirrels. Got us through a week or two. He also worked a second job when he could. Enlisted men don't get paid a ton of money.

[Aerows]

24. I think most people in the South have eaten venison

I knew a few families that relied on a hunter in the family to put meat on the table. Nothing shameful about it. We were always lucky enough that we didn't have to eat it, but it was tasty when we did.

EDIT: Judging by the posts in the thread, not just deer but squirrel and rabbit, too. We never had to eat it, but I've sampled squirrel a time or two and well, rabbit is just as commercial these days as anything so it's hardly odd, now.

[ScreamingMeemie]

28. Quite a few in the Great Lakes region of the north have too.

[Aerows]

30. Indeed

Didn't mean to leave you folks in the Great North out, just relating my experiences down here in the South. How are you guys doing up there? When it gets chilly to cold down here in December (39 at NOON on Saturday), you guys must be freezing! Brrr!

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. Moved to Houston 5 years ago :)... but it's brrrr chilly here (45-ish).

I keep trying to remind myself it's nothing like a WI/MI winter, but still.

[Aerows]

32. LOL!

I'm on the Gulf, too. I lived in Houston when I went to UofH for a summer internship. Great town.

[Aerows]

35. PS - they have the dry cold

we have the humid heat and the damp, nasty wet cold. Spring and late fall, for all the couple of weeks we get them are the best times to be on the Coast.

When humidity hit 90%, and temperatures were in the upper 90's, I deeply appreciated having to go to Michigan on a business trip in August.

[Jenoch]

92. I was sort of chuckling at your soup thread the other day.

It was -9° when I got up this morning but it has warmed up to -1° now. It was -17° this morning in northern Minnesota where we hunt deer each November.

When my dad was 12 he bought his first shotgun for $1.50 from Old Man Pickens. He had to hide the gun in the barn from his father. Wben my dad started to bring home pheasants, rabbits, squirrels, and ducks he no longer needed to hide the gun.

My grandfather hated guns. He was an army deserter from the Tsars' army in 1910. He would not kill the Bolsheviks who were his neighbors.

[littlewolf]

26. Heck I STILL hunt. growing up I not only shot rabbits and squirrels

I used wire traps for them also.
Deer, rabbits and squirrels. it wasn't the only meat we ate
but it sure helped stretch things.

[madrchsod]

27. there`s nothing finer than a deer roast that`s just cooked to perfection!

i won`t eat beef anymore and finding bison or elk is really hard where i live.

my wife`s dad was a deer hunter ,trapper,and seined for fish. he gave away what he had left to folks who he knew did`t have enough.

[dionysus]

29. venison is a wonderful meat. luckily i can get ground bison at the grocers here.

[Lars39]

33. Some places in TN during the Great Depression were "hunted out"...

No deer, squirrel or rabbit due to hungry people.

[hollowdweller]

34. In WV the deer herd is the one natural resource that is used to the benefit of all citizens.

Coal, fucks up the land, coal trucks tear up the road. Pollutes the air and only provides a few jobs.

Timber tears up the land, the landowner doesn't get much out of the timber, timber provides even fewer jobs.

You can fish but there are limits due to the high mercury levels of how many you can eat and of what.

With deer you can bag several a year. If you hunt on your own land you do not have to buy a hunting license. I know people that probably 25% of the meat they eat is venison

I haven't shot one this year but probably should. We are having the worst mast crop in like 40 years. There's no deer in the woods they are all down in my field they say a bunch may starve this winter. Of course at my house they are eating corn I put out for the chickens, and my fruit trees.

[Aerows]

36. Hunting them

and putting them in the freezer to later go in you or a neighbor's crock pot is more humane for all involved than letting them starve (and neighbors and family go hungry).

[Pretzel_Warrior]

39. Yep. One area where some rural land owners and sportsmen who hunt game find

Common cause with environmentalists is I. Working to push back on corporate invasion and pollution of our wild lands and forests.

[Agschmid]

40. This is the part that made this post about guns...

Not sure why it got unlocked...

EDIT: Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm holding a 12 guage shotgun for a friend of mine since he's living in NYC. Since I have no shells for it, I guess the most it can be used for is a bludgeon.

Tell my why that part was needed at all.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

43. because I implied I had no guns around me

and I thought I would throw that detail in there. I am actually going to discuss with him whether I can sell it and give him the proceeds. I don't like having guns in the home (though this one is relatively inaccessible).

[Lee-Lee]

41. Grew up eating probably 50% meat that my dad brought in fishing or hunting

Mostly fishing, my dad was still is a avid fisherman. We ate bass or crappie at least 4 dinners a week. On top of that he brought home more than enough fish to give a lot away.

He hunted when the season was open, but never was as into hunting as he was fishing. Given a choice he was on the lake.

I still go fishing with him most Sundays, and generally have fish 1-2 meals a week from what we catch then or what he brings me.

[ConcernedCanuk]

42. As a POOR person I hunted also up to 9 months ago.

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Up here we call it

"dumpster diving".

And hey, no firearms required!

Now, I own 28 acres surrounded mostly by crown land.

I think I may do the firearm thing soon,

gotta get a larger freezer first though.

I love moose, deer, partridge, rabbit - even eaten beaver (the ones that chew down trees - ) and bear;

though have only shot partridge and rabbit myself.

OH,

and hey . . .

I got some damm good steaks, racks of ribs, chicken and veggies in my dumpster diving days!

CC

[Pretzel_Warrior]

44. dumster diving? eww

[pintobean]

48. Isn't that what you've been doing lately?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

49. a little different

I hope you enjoy reading the fun over there. Just trying to break through their echo chamber and dispel a few myths.

[pintobean]

51. It's worse.

It's wallowing in garbage and pissing in the wind at the same time.

It also encourages them to come here.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

52. well, I'm sure my hobby won't last long

I wanted to see what they would say. And there's something satisfying about seeing my Obama avatar and MLK quote on my posts.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

62. I am defending DU in every post

So not sure what you're talking about.

What I am doing is refuting all of their lies about this group. Feel free to not acknowledge that as you smear me.

[BainsBane]

64. He knows that

He has to if he read those threads. He is deliberately distorting your activity there is order to pursue a personal vendetta. Everyone should know exactly what he is up to, that he is using the SOP alert system ton dishonestly cast suspicion on you.

[BainsBane]

63. He went over there to call them on their shit

While you abused the alert system to cast suspicion on him. Since you've read those threads, you know what he did. Yet you sent a duplicitous alert to make it seem like he is a caver. There is low and dishonest, and then there is what you did. Everyone can read the threads themselves and see how you have distorted his activity there to pursue your personal vendetta. I've seen a lot of mean-spirited behavior on this site, but that takes the cake.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

65. Thank you. I appreciate what you've said.

It does mean something.

[BainsBane]

66. Did you get my PM?

I said more there.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

67. Yes. I will respond to it in a little bit....

I have been in a meeting. When I get to a place where I can write more, I will reply.

[snooper2]

75. I hate not being in the "know"

[ChisolmTrailDem]

93. Ok, I gotta be nosey. But you're the one who brought it up...

I have to know, because I can be a busy-body at times, how did you go from diving in dumpsters 9 months ago to owning 28 acres of land today?

[ConcernedCanuk]

99. Unexpected inheritance 10 months ago.

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Not in my wildest dreams did I expect a happy, graceful retirement,

yet here I am.



After living in a 17 foot trailer with no hookups or facilities for 6 years, this is what I'm staring at as I type.

And yesterday morning,

this was the view out my living room window.



After dealing with all the landlords and unsympathetic neighbors and "friends" - I found a paradise at the end of a dead end road.

I'm here till I die - no phone line, no cable, no municipal services, even the last mile is not plowed by the municipality.

But I got Peace and Tranquility -

ya can't buy that.

I got lucky.

CC

[ChisolmTrailDem]

100. I figured it must have been an inheritance. Sorry for the loss of the person

who left you with that.

You did get very lucky, indeed. That looks so cozy and warm. I'm so happy for you to have been given this chance to enjoy your retirement, as opposed to constant struggle and discomfort.

I think I would have to write a novel sitting there, by the fire. Or at lease read a few.

[Iggo]

45. Yeah, guns!

Fuck yeah! 12-gauge!

Uh-uh-uh!

Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

46. I am about as big of a gun control proponent as you can imagine

why are you so bothered?

[Iggo]

47. Bothered? I'm havin' a good ol' time!

Umf-umf-umf.

Yeah!

[cleanhippie]

78. Are you ok?

[Iggo]

90. I am now.

Phew!

[KittyWampus]

50. hunting is about as "locavore" as it gets

[Pretzel_Warrior]

53. agreed. just mentioning that in contrast to people who can afford to shop at upscale markets

who offer lots of locally produced organic food choices but who charge a premium over your typical Kroger/Winco for those items.

[SecularMotion]

54. There seems to be a double standard in GD on gun posts

Happy gun talk is okay, while any stories that show the damage that guns cause are locked.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

55. no. mine was locked, and I appealed saying it was more about hunting for food

which it was. Then some people are weirded out because I decided to make mention of the fact that despite my language above about not owning guns, I do happen to be in possession of one currently.

If the mods want to re-review and lock it, I can understand. But this really isn't a "for/against" gun post. At least that wasn't my intent.

[SecularMotion]

59. It's happy talk about hunting with guns

You don't need to make excuses about your reason for posting this story. The problem is the double standard in locking GD gun posts.

Guns became a major issue in our country after Sandy Hook. The NRA and it's supporters would like to the issue go away. There are a small group of pro-gun members on DU, some of whom are hosts of GD and LBN, that make great efforts to keep any negative mention of guns out of the main forums. The same small group are the ones who lobbied Skinner to end the gun exception in GD. There are numerous alerts on any negative gun posts from the same small group, while there was only one alert on your post, mainly because of the cross-posting on Conservative Cave.

[Eleanors38]

74. It's happy talk about locavore hunting, not about...

shooting ones self in the crapper then joking about responsible gun-owners. See the diff? BTW, one can hunt a lot of game with archery equipment.

[SecularMotion]

76. The difference is

bad gun PR in GD and LBN is locked while, good gun PR is not locked. All due to the diligent efforts of NRA shills on DU.

One can hunt with a wide variety of weapons, but this OP is about hunting with guns.

[Ranchemp.]

79. The OP is not about hunting with guns,

that was a side note, the thread is about hunting for food.
NRA shills on DU?

[SecularMotion]

82. There is no need to hunt for food. We don't live in caves anymore.

Well most of us don't anyway, I suspect there may be a few cave dwellers on DU.

[Ranchemp.]

84. Yeah, you go ahead and eat that store bought, factory farmed,

chemically laced meat, meanwhile, I, and millions of my fellow hunters, will continue to hunt and eat natural, chemical free meat, and BTW, we hunters also donate meat to homeless shelters and food pantries.

[SecularMotion]

86. Here I fixed it for you

"I and millions of my fellow hunters, will continue to hunt slaughter and eat natural, chemical free meat wild animals."

[Ranchemp.]

87. Call it what you like,

I will still hunt and harvest wild game instead of eating that crap sold in stores and I have no remorse in hunting, I also donated an elk I hunted to a local homeless shelter and they are damned glad to have the meat to feed those less fortunate.

BTW, do you eat meat? If so, then your nothing more than a hypocrite, you let others do your killing for you.

[Eleanors38]

88. Actually, one cannot first "slaughter" without first hunting and killing...

Otherwise, I see little to object to in your fix, such as it is. What's wrong with caves? Isn't the 3M company in Minn located largely underground? You sound too urban-intense.

[SecularMotion]

91. Caves are the homes of neanderthals and the uncivilized

Underground facilities with modern conveniences are not caves.

slaugh·ter (slôtr)
n.
1. The killing of animals especially for food.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slaughter

[Tanuki]

96. It sounds as if you don't know any poor people who can't afford to buy food,

if you can say "there is no need to hunt for food." It really has nothing to do with caves. I hope you are not dismissing the poor as Neanderthals.

[SecularMotion]

97. Being poor isn't an excuse to hunt for food

It's cheaper to buy meat than to purchase the guns, ammunition, and licenses required to hunt wild animals.

[Ranchemp.]

98. In the long run it's much cheaper to hunt your own food.

Especially if you load your own ammo, and butcher your own meat.

You buy 1, maybe 2 rifles for hunting, 1 for large game, 1 for smaller game, such as game birds.
You can buy a good hunting rifle for appox $3-500.00, a good .22 or .410 shotgun for $1-150.00, if taken care of, they will last a life time, ammo is also cheap in as you can buy a box of ammo for both rifles which will last easily a couple of seasons, if not longer, hunting tags are relatively cheap.
Buying meat from the store, especially at the price it is now, is much more expensive than hunting for your own meat.

You really don't know alot about hunting do you?

[Eleanors38]

85. Sorry. Doesn't fly. This is clearly a thread about hunting.

Perhaps you should object because it isn't in Outdoors, or suggest using bows & arrows, instead of using blanket censorship because gunz is mentioned.

[Warpy]

56. A lot of people around here are subsistence hunters

The problem is the trophy hunters from out of state who snap up all the licenses. It's really hard to get a license so you can fill that freezer with elk or deer, and not even certain you'll bag one if you do.

So it's backyard tough old laying hen and beans for protein and maybe some pork from your or your neighbor's pig.

I would very much like to lower the quota of licenses that go to out of state hunters.

You bet poor folks hunt for their food.

If you just make that noise like you're getting set to fire that thing, any intruder will shit his pants while he's going back out the window. Even unloaded, shotguns are useful. I might get one, myself. I'm still pretty blind so I would never get ammo.

[yardwork]

57. I can't think of anything more organic than hunting one's own food.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a rural area, but I've never had any problem with people who hunt for food. I don't - I don't own guns and never learned to shoot. But I do eat meat - chicken, turkey, fish - and it seems to me that I would be a real hypocrite if I gave people a hard time for shooting their own food rather than going to the grocery store to buy it. The conditions under which most meat is produced are far, far more horrific than shooting.

When I read your subject line I thought that you meant that you foraged for food when you were a child. I know that people have to do that, too. In the wealthiest country in the world, the true sin is that people are starving and a lot of us not only don't give a damn but are actively trying to take away what little government support there is.

[BlueToTheBone]

58. Wouldn't that be the epitome of locavore? n/t

[Tanuki]

71. In Tennessee (and I'm sure in other states as well),

tons of venison are donated to the poor each year:

http://www.tnwf.org/our-programs/hunters-for-the-hungry
...&quot From fall 2012) — Tennessee Wildlife Federation Program Will Provide a Half a Million Meals in 2013.

Food banks and soup kitchens across the state continue to cite increasing need and decreasing donations. The lean, healthy, safe protein provided by the state’s Hunters for the Hungry program is often the only meat available. Thankfully, officials from the Tennessee Wildlife Federation (TWF) say that hunters continue to be willing to help address hunger, in spite of the recession.

“In the midst of the economic downturn, it’s incredibly rewarding to be able to say we’ve grown this program each of the last five years,” said Matt Simcox, TWF’s Hunters for the Hungry coordinator. “Programs in other states have not been as successful, and it goes back to that Volunteer spirit—Tennesseans are willing to help their neighbors.”

The program posted growth of 8.3 percent over the 2012 numbers, collecting a total of 136,162 pounds of donated venison. Over the life of the program, hunters have donated nearly a million pounds of lean, healthy meat—more than 3.7 million meals!

Seventy-five Department of Agriculture-certified processors in 59 counties collect and process the venison, which is then distributed to food banks and soup kitchens across the state."...

[B Calm]

72. I fish for food only because I love eating them. Taste a hell of a lot better

than store bought fish.

[GoCubsGo]

81. I don't turn down game when it is offered to me.

In fact, in the past, I have put in "requests" for a deer from my friends who hunt. I just paid for the processing. That was before I got laid off and, wasn't poor. myself. I just like venison and wild turkey. I don't hunt, but I have no issues with subsistence hunting, as long as the game populations are healthy.

We have the longest hunting season in country here. That's because we also have way more deer than the land can support. Better to manage their numbers than to have many of them starving. And, a lot of those deer wind up at local food banks, so even the poor who don't hunt get to eat.

There is also a huge feral pig problem in the southern half of the country. I have absolutely no problem with ANYONE hunting them, rich or poor. They are tearing the place up and destroying the native wildlife's habitat. In fact, I wish more people would pursue them.

[mstinamotorcity2]

83. Some years back they called Detroit

the raccoon eating capital. This was after a story on NBC nighty news. But I posted an op and asked how many people actually hunt and eat what they kill. the response was over whelming. People hunted everything from pheasant to muskrat. Hell they had hunted shit I have never heard of. And we could not exclude those who fish. The licenses come from the same place. Sometimes its not because of income. For some its just a way of life. If you go to my cousins house you may not want to ask what's for dinner?? His response will be " If it runs, walks, or crawls on its belly, its whats for dinner tonight.

[Eleanors38]

89. 'Dillo chilli is damned good though I have not made it..

I make venison chili by dicing up 3 lbs of "mill end" deer with a blubber knife, adding 1 lb of venison breakfast sausage. While browning that, I add a large chopped onion or two, salt, pepper, chili pepper, cumin (not too much), garlic, a couple of chopped fresh tomatoes, and every fresh chopped pepper in the super market (go easy on the habanero, but jalapenos cook down nicely), and add chopped yellow & red bells for color. Simmer for a couple of hrs, and serve with chopped cabbage and parsley on the side as garnish (makes a difference!). In Texas, we don't use beans, unless you are into certain Western movies!

[Vashta Nerada]

94. *Insert snooty, elitist, ignorant comment here*

I kid. I support hunting for two reasons. The first reason is to cull large populations of animals, like deer. Those things multiply like bunnies and then they eat all the food, which means they'll starve. The second reason is that hunting is being conducted so the hunter can eat.

[Prophet 451]

101. Me too

I left home at sixteen, had no real qualifications and lived in an area with high unemployment. I got the standard jobless benefits and our unemployment is a bit more generous than yours but it still didn't amount to much so I'd supplement my food budget by fishing. Would have gone hunting as well but didn't own a firearm.

One thing: What's a "locavore"?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

102. Locavore is someone emphasizing a diet of locally produced food

As opposed to buying food that's been trucked hundreds or thousands of miles.

[Prophet 451]

103. Oh, cool. That makes me one too

I buy all our meat from a local butcher who sources from local farms. It's how I can be sure that the meat really is freerange.