After watching a segment on MSNBC...would Clinton/Cuomo be a good ticket?

[kelliekat44]

Just asking.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Only if you want to win NY by 40 points instead of 35

[Scuba]

2. Yes ... a good Republican ticket.

[RC]

6. You are trying to say that that (D) by their name doesn't necessarily mean they are Liberal?

Well, whoda thunk?

Sadly though, there are many right here on DU, who think otherwise. That that (D) is all it takes to be one of the good guys. Entire groups are devoted to these Right of Center, corporatist, DLC, New Democrats. How underground is that? How about another web site called Democratic fakes, or some such, for these Right of Center Republican Lites and leave DU to it's intended purpose, the one for which it was started?

[pnwmom]

35. When Democratic Underground came into existence

it wasn't to fight other Democrats.

It happened after Bush stole the election from Gore.

Since then, some people like you think the word "underground" must represent some alienation from the Democratic party as a whole. But only some people view it that way; people who haven't been here from the beginning.

[RC]

46. But we have many Right of Center "Democrats" here now.

That (D) just doesn't mean any more, what many people thinks it means.

[pnwmom]

48. I don't think so. They're not to the right of center,

unless you consider Bernie and Elizabeth as the center.

[RC]

50. I don't think you understand the difference between the real Center and the current political Center

What many think of as the Political Center now, is not the real center. The Political Center is actually to the Right of where the main stream Republicans were 40 plus years ago.
Check out what the Republicans did before Ronald Reagan. They were more liberal than our current Democratic leadership is now.

For instance Nixon:

His accomplishments while in office included revenue sharing, the end of the draft, new anticrime laws, and a broad environmental program. As he had promised, he appointed Justices of conservative philosophy to the Supreme Court. One of the most dramatic events of his first term occurred in 1969, when American astronauts made the first moon landing.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/richardnixon

Conservative back then did not mean what it means now.

And Eisenhower:

In domestic policy the President pursued a middle course, continuing most of the New Deal and Fair Deal programs, emphasizing a balanced budget. As desegregation of schools began, he sent troops into Little Rock, Arkansas, to assure compliance with the orders of a Federal court; he also ordered the complete desegregation of the Armed Forces. "There must be no second class citizens in this country," he wrote.

Eisenhower concentrated on maintaining world peace. He watched with pleasure the development of his "atoms for peace" program--the loan of American uranium to "have not" nations for peaceful purposes.

Before he left office in January 1961, for his farm in Gettysburg, he urged the necessity of maintaining an adequate military strength, but cautioned that vast, long-continued military expenditures could breed potential dangers to our way of life. He concluded with a prayer for peace "in the goodness of time." Both themes remained timely and urgent when he died, after a long illness, on March 28, 1969.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/dwightdeisenhower

And don't forget the nation's Interstate highway system.

[pnwmom]

56. I understand that very well. But I think today's center

is the only real center for TODAY.

We're not going to convince many people if we don't understand where they're coming from. The demise of the Soviet Union shifted the whole country to the right. People who still identify as Democrats are all left of center, that is, today's center, regardless of what was true 30 or 40 or 50 years ago.

The other factor is that both parties used to be more diverse ideologically than they are today. ANY Republican today is far more conservative than ANY Democrat, no matter how "right of center" (meaning, right of center in 1970) you think that Democrat is.

[Vincardog]

78. I believe (and polls support) that the people are far to the LEFT of the (supposed Political) center

Take any issue from Gay wedding, to Medical MJ and the people support a vastly more liberal
policy than any of the National political pundits.

I think some people have been brain washed by the tide of RW nonsense that pollutes our airwaves.

This country is no more "Center Right" than gWb was a "compassionate" conservative.

[pnwmom]

82. Please show me a poll showing more people identify as being "far to the left."

I don't think the center of the country is "center right." I think the center is the center.

But the whole country shifted to the right, so today's center is not in the same place relative to the center of 1960.

But that is on economic issues. On some social issues, such as interracial marriage and gay marriage, the country is far more liberal than it used to be.

[Beacool]

9. They are Democrats, whether some of you like it or not.

Furthermore, they are popular Democrats.

[Scuba]

10. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat, and their benefactors can purchase popularity.

Doesn't mean they represent Democratic ideals, or give a damn about the People.

[Beacool]

12. Benefactors?

Are you saying that the American people are being bought? The vast majority of Democrats like both Clintons. If that chafes some of you, it's not their problem.

[Scuba]

13. If we get another corporate Dem in the White House, it will be all our problem, again.

[polichick]

21. What will be left of this country if the people elect yet another Wall Street rep?

[daleanime]

27. +1

[Phlem]

57. It's a shame this fact needs to be explained to adults here.

I don't know what it is, gullibility, blindness, lack of critical thinking, WTF?



-p

[polichick]

19. They are Third Way/Wall Street Dems - which is what we used to call Republicans...

Time to go back to Democratic principles.

[Scuba]

39. True that.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

29. Ha! Love it.

[TheDebbieDee]

86. As much as I like Sen Clinton I am a little concerned by her

seemingly unquestioning support for the State of Israel - no matter what they do - and I was blown away by her choice of Sen Evan Bayh as a running-mate had she won the nomination in 2008. Sen Bayh is totally sickening and was and is more conservative than most republicants!

[SteveG]

3. Not unless one establishes residency in another state

according to the Constitution, the President and V.P. must not be from the same state.

[RC]

7. You mean like bu$h and cheney?

I bet it cost somebody some loose change to pull that one off.

[SteveG]

25. Cheney is from Wyoming

Bush from Connecticut with residency in Texas. Cheney was born in Nebraska and moved to Wyoming (Nebraska being far to progressive for his tastes)

[RC]

28. Cheney's resident at the time was Texas.

He voted there. Because of the limited time interval then, the Montana residency requirement were/are in question.

[DURHAM D]

4. P & VP can not be from same state.

[hughee99]

14. Given a few hours, I'm sure Clinton can be from a different state...

but I still don't think this ticket is a good idea.

[Retrograde]

17. Not what the constitution says

Electors of a given state may not vote for both a president and vice-president from their own state. So if a Clinton/Cuomo ticket were to come out ahead in New York, the NY electors could vote for either Clinton and someone else, or someone else and Cuomo, but not both Clinton and Cuomo. Nothing prevents the electors from all the other states from voting for Clinton and Cuomo.

As the 12th Amendment says: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;"

[on point]

5. Not with Clinton on it no

[lightcameron]

8. I guess it depends on which segment you think they should watch.

[Ikonoklast]

11. No/No.

[avaistheone1]

15. k&r

[JHB]

16. George and Rivers? It would certainly be eclectic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clinton_(musician)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_Cuomo

[msanthrope]

22. You won the thread. nt

[KamaAina]

18. Leaving aside the fact that they're from the same state,

no. It was Harry S Truman who said "Given a choice between a Democrat that votes like a Republican and a real Republican, people will vote for the real Republican every time."

[adirondacker]

20. Walmart/Koch. yeah that's the ticket for what ails our country.

[hobbit709]

23. Not only no but HELL NO! I don't want a Turd Way ticket.

[hrmjustin]

41. Who is the turd?

[PeteSelman]

52. Who isn't?

[hrmjustin]

55. I voted for both and I do not consider them turds.

[PeteSelman]

58. That's fine I guess.

Not everyone here is from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Some are right into the third way.

[hrmjustin]

59. So I voted for both and I am a third wayer?

[PeteSelman]

60. Perhaps you're not.

But they most certainly are.

Which brings us full circle.

[hrmjustin]

62. I assure you I am not.

[PeteSelman]

63. Ok.

Then I don't understand why you like these people so much. They're totally against what we're (assuming you are a progressive) about. They're Reagan Republicans economically.

[hrmjustin]

65. Cuomo I never said I liked, I voted for him. I just don't see him as a turd.

I love Hillary and always will. This does not mean I agree with her on everything.

[PeteSelman]

70. Wasn't the maniac with the baseball bat running against Cuomo?

But Hillary wrote the horrific TPP. What is there to love about that? That is a huge, major screwing of the middle class.

[hrmjustin]

72. She will have to explain her views, votes, and actions an if she can not she won't be president.

I tend to think she will be our next president.

Yes the bat guy, Paladino ran against him. He might run again.

[PeteSelman]

75. I don't what there is to explain about this trade deal.

Since no one will talk about it and even members of congress aren't allowed to see it.

We know what her views are on this sort of thing. They are the same as any Republican's. There's no defending this.

[hrmjustin]

76. This will get debated in a campaign. this is why she will have a primary to the left.

[PeteSelman]

77. Will it? Or will it be too late by then?

The very fact that she is involved in it at all should disqualify her from any consideration…as a Democrat.

But I see it's pointless to go on with this conversation.

[hrmjustin]

81. The quality of her primary opponent will come into play then.

Thank you for you time my friend, and I look foward to this debate.

[NuclearDem]

96. Stupid turds!

[Myrina]

24. No.

Nt

[JoePhilly]

26. No

[reformist2]

30. Any ticket without Warren (or Sanders!) at the top will be a disappointment.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party.

So unless he joins the party, he will not be at the head of the ticket. If he runs, I suspect it will be as an independent.

[brooklynite]

33. ...and Warren isn't running.

So, prepared to be disappointed.

[reformist2]

34. That's what they all say. She'll be drafted and like it!

[Agnosticsherbet]

93. There is no draft in modern primaries.

When the candidates used to be chosen in smoke filled rooms by insiders, occasionally they would draft a candidate who was not in the running, especially if no one else could get a solid decision. She will run if she changes her m ind and decide to run. President Obama did.

Personally, I will accept her as running only when she announces, or when she forms an exploritory committee, which is what they all do.

[beachbum bob]

38. sounds like you want the GOP to have a cakewalk to the whitehouse...didn't nader supporters give us

8 yrs of Bush...they must be so proud. You are asking for a repeat. Neither warren or sanders will help the democrats in keeping the whitehouse.. Thats the reality. I see hillary and Julián Castro (mayor of San Antonio) as being a winning hand

[joshcryer]

94. You win.

But I got first OP prediction! Fair enough? We'll see what happens soon enough!

[Bohunk68]

97. Nader gave us 8 years of Bush?????

Enough of that baloney, it has been disproved over and over and over again. Personally tired of the DLC'ers. Heard From on MSNBC yesterday, what a twit. He should just join the Teahadists.

[Beacool]

67. Maybe so, but it'll be more electable.

[brooklynite]

32. Not constitutionally allowable...

Both are residents of the same State.

[frylock]

36. no thanks

[bullwinkle428]

37. Third Way to the Third Power.

[1000words]

40. Good for whom?

[leftynyc]

42. They couldn't run together

as both live in New York.

[anti partisan]

43. Depends on what you consider a "good ticket"

Personally, I don't see the point of electing Democrats to govern like Republicans.

But two years down the road if Cruz actually is popular, and a Clinton/Cuomo ticket is what it takes to stop him, then I'd consider it a good ticket.

[Blue_Tires]

44. WetzelBill/Kurovski or GTFO

[Upton]

45. No..

Two Democrats from New York state is not going to sit well with the rest of the country...

[Whisp]

47. No. No. No.

I suggest we show Mrs. Third Way the Highway.

.


no

[polichick]

49. Great ticket, if the plan is to give what's left of the country to corporations.

[PeteSelman]

51. Sure, good for Wall Street and the oligarchy in general.

For regular people? Not so much.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Sanders/Warren (or vice versa) would be a great ticket. Hillary and anybody.....no.

[hedgehog]

54. Well, if you want a casino in your town, maybe.....

The Associated Press projected the ballot referendum's passage shortly after 11:15 p.m. With 62 percent of precincts reporting, 56.5 percent of voters were in favor, while 43.5 percent were against. Most of the support came from downstate areas—the margin of victory on Long Island, where there will be no casinos, was nearly two to one—and some rural upstate areas voted against the measure, county-by-county election results show.

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/11/8535602/win-cuomo-voters-approve-casinos-new-york


I'd rather we find someone who can bring good paying jobs to my town!

[Douglas Carpenter]

61. if Hillary needs to balance the ticket by appealing to the centrist wing of the Democratic Party

[mstinamotorcity2]

64. On what day of the week

would that be a good idea??? Thursunsatday

[madfloridian]

66. Remember when Cuomo said he would tangle with public employee unions? He meant it.

Andrew Cuomo, his running mate, and "New Democratic Party" to fight public employee unions?

.."One change from the "old" Democratic party seems to be the willingness of Cuomo and his running mate Robert Duffy to take on a powerful constituency -- the public employee unions. Duffy has battled with union leaders in Rochester over some of his controversial proposals, including his call for more control of city schools. Cuomo says he respects that.

"Yes, he tangled with public employee unions," Cuomo said. "Guess what, we're going to be tangling with public employee unions going forward."

Apparently it has been forgotten by our Democrats that they are supposed to support public education, respect elected school boards, and respect unions.

[hay rick]

68. No.

[ladjf]

69. No. nt

[SoCalDem]

71. no.. n/t

[wildbilln864]

73. no! n/t

[JVS]

74. No.

[Cleita]

79. A good third way Dem (DLC) ticket. But then we might as well have Republicans. n/t

[Squinch]

80. No! Cuomo is dismantling social programs in a very sneaky way.

[TheKentuckian]

83. Good for encouraging folks to write in Daisy Duck and re - register as independent.

Terrible corporate ticket.

[MannyGoldstein]

84. Ideal!

Regards,

America's 1%

[Corruption Inc]

85. After watching MSMedia propaganda you'll believe anything

if you take any of it seriously.

[bluestate10]

87. No. nt

[DJ13]

88. No

[dflprincess]

89. No

[bigwillq]

90. No (nt)

[Big Blue Marble]

91. Clinton/Schweitzer

I think former Governor Schweitzer from Montana would be an excellent VP candidate.
You have the Insider/outsider, and the east/west. He has personality and brains.
It could even shake up the mountain states.

[blue14u]

92. No... unless you want

a Wall Street Third Wayer that votes corporate Republican, and is bought by Wall Street, then NO NO NO. Why do you "Democrats" want to sell us out again to Wall Street? I am having a real hard time with this, and if HRC and VP anyone, is on the ticket we are doomed. Once again... There will be no SS or Medicare, or safety nets for people. Seniors especially will suffer, more than they do now.. Our children will not be able to go to collage, our veterans will see more benefits taken, including Snap. People will be in the street, hungry, homeless, jobless... How can you vote for someone who will bring more despair to our country?
Why you can not understand this concept is beyond me.

Are you just loving seeing Americans suffer? Our basic human needs not being met?

Where is this blind direction coming from? Do you not understand HRC will not be your friend? That she will throw you under the bus to serve her PTB? I cry, I cry for us if she is elected. I see noting good come from this.. It's scary and sad. Hopefully, HRC will not run.... Hopefully....Please don't

[ancianita]

95. No. Clinton/Castro, YES. Turning TX blue and getting Hispanic vote nationwide would work

against the dark horse, Jeb Bush (and his Mexican wife) who probably will emerge after more future anti-immigrant legislation drama.

[Nye Bevan]

98. I would happily vote for such a ticket (nt)