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- It was obvious the two-year agreement was a deficit hawks dream based on Speaker of the House John Boehners response to the Koch Brothers, Freedom Works, Heritage Action, Americans for Prosperity, and Club For Growth. Boehner accused the teabagger groups of using our members and using the American people for their own goals. Listen, if youre for more deficit reduction, youre for this agreement. Boehner is right, the budget is all about reducing the already falling deficit and nothing about revenue by closing corporate and the wealthys tax loopholes that would have made the austerity budget palatable. Since 2010, the victims of austerity-mad Republicans have never been the richest Americans, and the only difference in this agreement and earlier austerity is it targets a different segment of the population; federal employees.
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What is curious about this agreement is not that Ryan likely pushed hard for a deep austerity-laden budget, but that Murray acquiesced to an economic theory that is proven to ravage an economy during a tepid recovery. Has Murray not been conscious to see the devastation in Europe after three years of austerity, or have Republicans so polluted the minds of Democrats that they think trying the same failed policies over and over again will have a different result because this is America? And where was revenue-producing tax reform by closing loopholes for corporations and the filthy rich? There were no provisions for infrastructure improvements guaranteed to create jobs, and those tiny two-year reductions in the sequester cuts still do not address the devastation over the next nine years the cuts will do their worst damage and kill millions of jobs. It is beyond the pale that Murray could stand there next to Ryan and announce a budget agreement as acceptable giving everything Republicans lusted for two years ago that Senate and House Democrats rejected out of hand as barbaric and totally unacceptable in 2011 and 2012.
This so-called agreement is as unacceptable today as Ryans Path to Prosperity was two years ago, and worse, it contains deeper discretionary spending cuts than Democrats railed against then. Of course Republicans love it, it contains no revenue, or tax reform affecting their dirty rich patrons, and it pays for the minute sequester cuts with other entitlement cuts and federal employees pensions. If any American depended on Murray, or her Democratic colleagues, to fight for Americans and wage a war on economy devastating austerity, they can put those hope to rest because it is apparent that the negotiators were unconscious during last years election. Agreeing to this budget sent a clear message to Americans that Democrats lost the 2012 elections and Republicans won; especially the war on austerity.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/12/obvious-democrats-compromising-budget-agreement.html
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Would Republicans like to see Sequester limits of spending continue? Yes. Did that happen? No.
Would Republicans like to see the ACA Scrapped or Defunded? Yes. Did that happen? No.
Would Republicans like to see deep cuts in Social Security and/or privitization of Social Security? Yes. Did that happen? No.
This might not have been the best deal possible but to say that Republicans got exactly what they wanted does not seem to be accurate.
Bryant
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)by getting her a cat--despite the fact that I did not want/need an animal in the house, have I really compromised? Or has she fooled me into thinking that, compared to the tiger, the cat is a good deal.
The GOP asks for significant drastic, unheard of crazy cuts...and the dems "compromise" their values and assist in destroying the economy by only giving them half-crazy, which is 1/3 more crazy than the citizens can handle.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)How bad would another Government Shutdown be? Probably good for us politically, but good for the economy?
One thing that does give me pause about this bill is that it only buys us 2 months until we have to do the debt ceiling - any compromise should have included that.
Bryant
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I don't think so. It is past time to stand up to them. Do you know that are after the pension that I and millions of others have sacrificed for? And, there is no one who will stop them?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)When they took hostages.
I do know that they are after your pension; but until they start losing elections and being driven to power we are going to be stuck with half a loaf.
Bryant
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)They have us fooled into thinking it is half, because we are all congratulating ourselves because they have not burned down the oven.
Avoiding the threatening of burning down that oven should not be the standard from which we view the loaf.
randome
(34,845 posts)We don't have the numbers to force anything through the House. I agree this 'celebration' is a bit of a let-down but it does represent progress and more chinks in their armor.
2014.
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BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)eliminated the threat of the debt ceiling fight.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)in time for the 2016 election when we all know all the crap they left off the table he will certainly put on the table after getting elected. Why give them the illusion of compromise when they sure as hell will do exactly what they want when they get elected. More importantly they can blame Democrats for these crap ass deals since the Democrats are overwhelmingly voting for them and they continue to have a large amount of their house voting base voting against them. We know these are bad budgets, we know we have better ideas... why vote for bad ideas that they can't even convince their house members to vote for?
Setting yourself up to take the blame for bad budgets while helping idiots like Ryan look moderate is dumb politics. Plain and simple dumb politics. It's going to be a real shame when 8 years of Democratic president are over and we never once tried real liberal ideas in our budget. Heck we never even held out and made a case to the public for them. Instead we settled over and over for slightly less bad conservative ideas. Woot rally your base to that
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This was damage control on our part.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Spending is $65 billion above levels GOP wanted.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)when all of recent history shows when in power they are vastly willing to spend much more than dems on really stupid stuff. We gave them their stupid stuff at the expense of the stuff they wanted. Never be mistaken that Republicans REALLY want to spend less. Look at their budgets when they have the White House. They clearly don't want to spend less. You are simply WRONG. Sorry.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)compromise by settling for two broken legs instead - The two broken legs is still better than cancer.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Really?
Refresh my memory please:
What is the origin of "The Sequester"?
Who first offered The Sequester as a solution?
HOW did "The Sequester" become "The Default"?
So the Sequester is just another SCAM too?
Have you noticed that NOBODY is responsible for cutting Social Programs these days? Through this latest clever scam, no politician must face the Home Voters and admit that they cut Meals-on-Wheels, Head Start, closed Libraries, or the myriad other "social" programs that help the Working Class & The Poor.
It is always "The Sequester" that is causing it.
When you think about it, this is BRILLIANT Political Strategy to lend Plausible Deniability for the cutting of Social Programs to everyone involved, Democrats and Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023612281
[font size=3]Its not OUR Fault!!!
The Sequester cut those programs![/font]
You will know them by their WORKS.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Quoting your Blue Link:
"The GOP got those drastic, unheard of cuts in 2011 thanks to Obama's blundering."
You are saying that The Sequester" being the "default" is because of Obama's Blundering?
Those are tough words coming from you,
but contain some truth.
Despite his denials, it WAS the White House who proposed The Sequester,
which you now cite as "The Default".
Have you ever read Machiavelli?
Question:
How do you The People to cheer for $5.00/gallon gas?
Answer:
Raise the price to $7.00/gallon for 6 months,
and then drop it back to $5.00/gallon.
The People will CHEER ,
because the propagandists are telling them that $7.00/gallon is The Default!
Machiavelli is smiling from the grave.
You will know them by their WORKS.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)If no agreement was reached between Ryan and Murray, the sequester would be the law of the land.
That was easily the low point of the Obama presidency. The only saving grace was that the Republicans were too stupid to take him up on his offer to give away the store on Social Security and Medicare.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)These people are not idiots.
When events occur that advance the agenda of the RICH,
they are well planned and carefully executed.
If it was just blunders and accidents, then the Working Class & Poor would benefit at least 1/2 the time... the rule of chance.
THAT hasn't happened over the last 30 years.
"The Ball" has moved ALWAYS to the Conservative Right,
ALWAYS benefiting The RICH
at the expense of the Working Class & The Poor.
I refuse to believe that President Obama and the current administration are "blunderers", as you insist.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But you are largely correct that power serves money, on a systemic basis.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)
...when the end result is what you wanted all along.
The "compromise" is just the Kabuki Theater scripted to perpetuate the illusion that America's Working Class still has a voice and representation.
We don't.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Skittles
(153,164 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)They won't be able to wrap heads around it.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)This budget deal will again demonstrate that Keneysian Economic Policy clearly works.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...obviously taking lessons from the most awesome negotiator of our time, President Obama...
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Tired of this divisive counter productive bullshit.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)would have demanded a year ago. The mere fact that both sides are complaining is testimony. Its GOP and democrats alike in the responsibility of bringing our spending in line. Tax issues MUST be addressed and loopholes MUST be looked at. This is a step in the right direction for sure