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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:13 AM Dec 2013

It’s Obvious That Democrats Did All the Compromising on The Budget Agreement






~snip~

- It was obvious the two-year agreement was a deficit hawk’s dream based on Speaker of the House John Boehner’s response to the Koch Brothers, Freedom Works, Heritage Action, Americans for Prosperity, and Club For Growth. Boehner accused the teabagger groups of “using our members and using the American people for their own goals. Listen, if you’re for more deficit reduction, you’re for this agreement.” Boehner is right, the budget is all about reducing the already falling deficit and nothing about revenue by closing corporate and the wealthy’s tax loopholes that would have made the austerity budget palatable. Since 2010, the victims of austerity-mad Republicans have never been the richest Americans, and the only difference in this agreement and earlier austerity is it targets a different segment of the population; federal employees.



~snip~

What is curious about this agreement is not that Ryan likely pushed hard for a deep austerity-laden budget, but that Murray acquiesced to an economic theory that is proven to ravage an economy during a tepid recovery. Has Murray not been conscious to see the devastation in Europe after three years of austerity, or have Republicans so polluted the minds of Democrats that they think trying the same failed policies over and over again will have a different result because this is America? And where was revenue-producing tax reform by closing loopholes for corporations and the filthy rich? There were no provisions for infrastructure improvements guaranteed to create jobs, and those tiny two-year reductions in the sequester cuts still do not address the devastation over the next nine years the cuts will do their worst damage and kill millions of jobs. It is beyond the pale that Murray could stand there next to Ryan and announce a budget agreement as acceptable giving everything Republicans lusted for two years ago that Senate and House Democrats rejected out of hand as barbaric and totally unacceptable in 2011 and 2012.


This so-called agreement is as unacceptable today as Ryan’s Path to Prosperity was two years ago, and worse, it contains deeper discretionary spending cuts than Democrats railed against then. Of course Republicans love it, it contains no revenue, or tax reform affecting their dirty rich patrons, and it pays for the minute sequester cuts with other entitlement cuts and federal employees’ pensions. If any American depended on Murray, or her Democratic colleagues, to fight for Americans and wage a war on economy devastating austerity, they can put those hope to rest because it is apparent that the negotiators were unconscious during last year’s election. Agreeing to this budget sent a clear message to Americans that Democrats lost the 2012 elections and Republicans won; especially the war on austerity.



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http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/12/obvious-democrats-compromising-budget-agreement.html
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It’s Obvious That Democrats Did All the Compromising on The Budget Agreement (Original Post) Segami Dec 2013 OP
That title is odd - As it's clear that there are lots of things Republicans didn't get el_bryanto Dec 2013 #1
When my daughter asks for tiger and I "compromise" Evergreen Emerald Dec 2013 #4
Your daughter doesn't have the power to burn the house down if she doesn't get a cat el_bryanto Dec 2013 #5
Compromise with hostage takers? Evergreen Emerald Dec 2013 #6
We did stand up to them el_bryanto Dec 2013 #8
But, that is the point: it is not half a loaf Evergreen Emerald Dec 2013 #10
Then how do you negotiate with crazy people? randome Dec 2013 #11
I thought that this was through 2015 and BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #9
How good is it to set up Paul Ryan is a moderate ready to make tough choices? Johonny Dec 2013 #12
Bravo! That's exactly what's been taking place for 30 years WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #7
The GOP got those drastic, unheard of cuts in 2011 thanks to Obama's blundering. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #17
+100 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #34
it is not obvious to those of us that actually read the bill scheming daemons Dec 2013 #2
You are under the illusion Republicans want to spend less Johonny Dec 2013 #13
No, they really want to spend less, a lot less, especially on programs that help people. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #16
Republicans may not have gotten everything they wanted, but Dems got nothing but more sacrifice. Scuba Dec 2013 #3
No truer words. jsr Dec 2013 #18
Bingo! Another sideways stumble toward disaster that we're supposed to cheer for. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #28
obvious to all but the willfully blind - yes. But I suppose if you are being offered cancer and you Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #14
That battle was lost in 2011. The sequester was the default. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #15
The Sequester was the default? bvar22 Dec 2013 #23
. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #24
Are you afraid to post words instead of a blue link? bvar22 Dec 2013 #29
It is the default now, thanks to that debacle. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #30
I don't believe things happen by accident in Washington. bvar22 Dec 2013 #31
Even the smartest of people blunder on occasion. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #32
Its not really "compromise"... bvar22 Dec 2013 #19
And to perpetuate the illusion that there are two parties. polichick Dec 2013 #21
CORRECT Skittles Dec 2013 #35
Many "Democrats" ARE RepubliCons - that's what we have to face. polichick Dec 2013 #20
The replacement of sequestered funds will certainly assist the economy. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #22
Do not inject reason into an irrational thread Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27
Sadly. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #36
Again... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #25
Waaahhhh!!! We didn't get everything we wanted so we lost! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #26
this was a compromise budget and the GOP didn't get much of anything that they beachbum bob Dec 2013 #33

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. That title is odd - As it's clear that there are lots of things Republicans didn't get
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
Dec 2013

Would Republicans like to see Sequester limits of spending continue? Yes. Did that happen? No.

Would Republicans like to see the ACA Scrapped or Defunded? Yes. Did that happen? No.

Would Republicans like to see deep cuts in Social Security and/or privitization of Social Security? Yes. Did that happen? No.

This might not have been the best deal possible but to say that Republicans got exactly what they wanted does not seem to be accurate.

Bryant

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
4. When my daughter asks for tiger and I "compromise"
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:43 AM
Dec 2013

by getting her a cat--despite the fact that I did not want/need an animal in the house, have I really compromised? Or has she fooled me into thinking that, compared to the tiger, the cat is a good deal.

The GOP asks for significant drastic, unheard of crazy cuts...and the dems "compromise" their values and assist in destroying the economy by only giving them half-crazy, which is 1/3 more crazy than the citizens can handle.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. Your daughter doesn't have the power to burn the house down if she doesn't get a cat
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:48 AM
Dec 2013

How bad would another Government Shutdown be? Probably good for us politically, but good for the economy?

One thing that does give me pause about this bill is that it only buys us 2 months until we have to do the debt ceiling - any compromise should have included that.

Bryant

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
6. Compromise with hostage takers?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:29 AM
Dec 2013

I don't think so. It is past time to stand up to them. Do you know that are after the pension that I and millions of others have sacrificed for? And, there is no one who will stop them?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. We did stand up to them
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:34 AM
Dec 2013

When they took hostages.

I do know that they are after your pension; but until they start losing elections and being driven to power we are going to be stuck with half a loaf.

Bryant

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
10. But, that is the point: it is not half a loaf
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:59 AM
Dec 2013

They have us fooled into thinking it is half, because we are all congratulating ourselves because they have not burned down the oven.

Avoiding the threatening of burning down that oven should not be the standard from which we view the loaf.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Then how do you negotiate with crazy people?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:03 AM
Dec 2013

We don't have the numbers to force anything through the House. I agree this 'celebration' is a bit of a let-down but it does represent progress and more chinks in their armor.

2014.
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Johonny

(20,851 posts)
12. How good is it to set up Paul Ryan is a moderate ready to make tough choices?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:34 PM
Dec 2013

in time for the 2016 election when we all know all the crap they left off the table he will certainly put on the table after getting elected. Why give them the illusion of compromise when they sure as hell will do exactly what they want when they get elected. More importantly they can blame Democrats for these crap ass deals since the Democrats are overwhelmingly voting for them and they continue to have a large amount of their house voting base voting against them. We know these are bad budgets, we know we have better ideas... why vote for bad ideas that they can't even convince their house members to vote for?

Setting yourself up to take the blame for bad budgets while helping idiots like Ryan look moderate is dumb politics. Plain and simple dumb politics. It's going to be a real shame when 8 years of Democratic president are over and we never once tried real liberal ideas in our budget. Heck we never even held out and made a case to the public for them. Instead we settled over and over for slightly less bad conservative ideas. Woot rally your base to that

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. The GOP got those drastic, unheard of cuts in 2011 thanks to Obama's blundering.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:50 PM
Dec 2013

This was damage control on our part.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
2. it is not obvious to those of us that actually read the bill
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:21 AM
Dec 2013

Spending is $65 billion above levels GOP wanted.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
13. You are under the illusion Republicans want to spend less
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:37 PM
Dec 2013

when all of recent history shows when in power they are vastly willing to spend much more than dems on really stupid stuff. We gave them their stupid stuff at the expense of the stuff they wanted. Never be mistaken that Republicans REALLY want to spend less. Look at their budgets when they have the White House. They clearly don't want to spend less. You are simply WRONG. Sorry.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. Republicans may not have gotten everything they wanted, but Dems got nothing but more sacrifice.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:40 AM
Dec 2013

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
14. obvious to all but the willfully blind - yes. But I suppose if you are being offered cancer and you
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:43 PM
Dec 2013

compromise by settling for two broken legs instead - The two broken legs is still better than cancer.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. The Sequester was the default?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:36 PM
Dec 2013

Really?
Refresh my memory please:
What is the origin of "The Sequester"?
Who first offered The Sequester as a solution?

HOW did "The Sequester" become "The Default"?


So the Sequester is just another SCAM too?

Have you noticed that NOBODY is responsible for cutting Social Programs these days? Through this latest clever scam, no politician must face the Home Voters and admit that they cut Meals-on-Wheels, Head Start, closed Libraries, or the myriad other "social" programs that help the Working Class & The Poor.
It is always "The Sequester" that is causing it.

When you think about it, this is BRILLIANT Political Strategy to lend Plausible Deniability for the cutting of Social Programs to everyone involved, Democrats and Republicans.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023612281


[font size=3]Its not OUR Fault!!!
The Sequester cut those programs!
[/font]


You will know them by their WORKS.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
29. Are you afraid to post words instead of a blue link?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:52 PM
Dec 2013

Quoting your Blue Link:
"The GOP got those drastic, unheard of cuts in 2011 thanks to Obama's blundering."

You are saying that The Sequester" being the "default" is because of Obama's Blundering?
Those are tough words coming from you,
but contain some truth.

Despite his denials, it WAS the White House who proposed The Sequester,
which you now cite as "The Default".

Have you ever read Machiavelli?

Question:
How do you The People to cheer for $5.00/gallon gas?

Answer:
Raise the price to $7.00/gallon for 6 months,
and then drop it back to $5.00/gallon.
The People will CHEER ,
because the propagandists are telling them that $7.00/gallon is The Default!


Machiavelli is smiling from the grave.



You will know them by their WORKS.




 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. It is the default now, thanks to that debacle.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

If no agreement was reached between Ryan and Murray, the sequester would be the law of the land.

That was easily the low point of the Obama presidency. The only saving grace was that the Republicans were too stupid to take him up on his offer to give away the store on Social Security and Medicare.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. I don't believe things happen by accident in Washington.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Dec 2013

These people are not idiots.
When events occur that advance the agenda of the RICH,
they are well planned and carefully executed.
If it was just blunders and accidents, then the Working Class & Poor would benefit at least 1/2 the time... the rule of chance.
THAT hasn't happened over the last 30 years.
"The Ball" has moved ALWAYS to the Conservative Right,
ALWAYS benefiting The RICH
at the expense of the Working Class & The Poor.

I refuse to believe that President Obama and the current administration are "blunderers", as you insist.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
32. Even the smartest of people blunder on occasion.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 05:11 PM
Dec 2013

But you are largely correct that power serves money, on a systemic basis.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Its not really "compromise"...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:56 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...when the end result is what you wanted all along.

The "compromise" is just the Kabuki Theater scripted to perpetuate the illusion that America's Working Class still has a voice and representation.
We don't.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
25. Again...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:39 PM
Dec 2013

...obviously taking lessons from the most awesome negotiator of our time, President Obama...

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
26. Waaahhhh!!! We didn't get everything we wanted so we lost!
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
Dec 2013

Tired of this divisive counter productive bullshit.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
33. this was a compromise budget and the GOP didn't get much of anything that they
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 05:48 PM
Dec 2013

would have demanded a year ago. The mere fact that both sides are complaining is testimony. Its GOP and democrats alike in the responsibility of bringing our spending in line. Tax issues MUST be addressed and loopholes MUST be looked at. This is a step in the right direction for sure

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