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FUKUSHIMA
09:09 AM EST on December 13th, 2013
TV Correspondent in Japan: Ive come across terrible information Health situation appears to be much more risky than what we see on Japan TV Doctors and officials hiding the truth (VIDEO)
12:03 PM EST on December 12th, 2013
Fukushima Evacuee: Were human guinea-pigs in an experiment well never forgive govt or Tepco! US Attorney: Its up to the American people to make them pay; Japan is threatening to put people who speak out in concentration camps (AUDIO)
04:49 PM EST on December 11th, 2013
In 2013, people really interested in radioactive fallout US govt studying public attention to Fukushima, tracks twitter searches NRC FOIA: Libyan war news should now downgrade Fukushima
1:25 PM EST on December 10th, 2013
US Nuclear Officials: Fuel fragments were likely ejected from cladding at the 3 Fukushima reactors Particles of fuel resemble highly radioactive mystery black substance often seen in Japan since 3/11 (PHOTOS)
04:06 PM EST on December 9th, 2013
Nuclear Expert: Plutonium in water leaking into ocean is the most dangerous thing at Fukushima, it can be carried around world and end up on a beach or in fish Researcher: Plutonium contamination a serious threat to environment and human health (AUDIO)
04:13 PM EST on December 8th, 2013
Record radiation level in underground water well near ocean at Fukushima Tepco: Rise in radiation readings is an obvious concern 1.4 billion Bq/m³ of strontium/beta emitters
07:01 PM EST on December 7th, 2013 | 220 comments
BBC: Work at Fukushima Unit 4 a distraction; The real nightmare is coming from 3 molten cores NYTimes: Melted fuel is all over the place First goal is simply to stop uncontrolled releases of radioactive material (AUDIO)
11:02 AM EST on December 7th, 2013 | 216 comments
TV: Highest ever radiation levels detected outside reactor buildings at Fukushima People exposed to it would die in 20 minutes (VIDEO)
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US/CANADA
08:59 PM EST on December 12th, 2013
Marine Biologist: All the sea stars along west coast of North America could be wiped out Some developing bald spots; Others look completely healthy except for guts coming out Speculation it could be related to Fukushima
02:28 PM EST on December 12th, 2013
Large die-off of Alaska seabirds from disease never found before in state history Official: Its super, super common except its first time Hundreds dead per km²; Continued to wash ashore Relatively natural; Witness: Head flopped backward, appeared to have seizure, then dropped dead (AUDIO)
09:26 AM EST on December 12th, 2013
CNN: The Pacific has seen its fair share of weird recently Bay in California now a massive soup bowl Miles of anchovies, mountains deep Its like none ever recorded Old timers have never seen anything like this We may be experiencing global weirding (VIDEO)
01:02 AM EST on December 12th, 2013
Another 20 Navy Sailors: USS Ronald Reagan crew with thyroid cancers, leukemia, brain tumors, bleeding, blindness after Fukushima disaster Young kids developing problems Govt and Tepco involved in major conspiracy (AUDIO)
06:44 PM EST on December 11th, 2013
Study: Dead sea creatures covered 98% of seafloor last year about 150 miles off California coast; Unprecedented, had been below 1% prior to event Major changes began in spring 2011
08:03 PM EST on December 10th, 2013
University researchers assess impact of Fukushima plume on U.S.; Some models show near straight line to West Coast Experts: Radionuclides didnt dilute offshore as officials had claimed, cause for serious alarm (VIDEOS)
03:08 AM EST on December 10th, 2013
Berkeley official requests Health Dept. inform public of elevated risks from Fukushima contamination; Council to vote on plan next week Fairfax Official: No ones monitoring radiation levels on West Coast Govt is not doing its job (VIDEO)
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)And the third one is:
A great stocking stuffer: RADEX RD1503+ - Radiation Detector
defacto7
(13,485 posts)isn't a bad idea either. Dried kelp sometimes sold in pill form is a great source but I guess not if it comes from the waters of the pacific.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Potassium iodide has been used as an expectorant, although this use is increasingly uncommon. In medicine, potassium iodide is usually used to treat acute thyrotoxicosis, usually as a saturated solution of potassium iodide called SSKI. It is also used to block uptake of iodine-131 in the thyroid gland (see isotopes section above), when this isotope is used as part of radiopharmaceuticals (such as iobenguane) that are not targeted to the thyroid or thyroid-type tissues.
Iodine-131 (usually in the chemical form of iodide) is a component of nuclear fallout and a particularly dangerous one owing to the thyroid gland's propensity to concentrate ingested iodine, where it is kept for periods longer than this isotope's radiological half-life of eight days. For this reason, if people are expected to be exposed to a significant amount of environmental radioactive iodine (iodine-131 in fallout), they may be instructed to take non-radioactive potassium iodide tablets. The typical adult dose is one 130 mg tablet per 24 hours, supplying 100 mg (100,000 micrograms) iodine, as iodide ion. (Typical daily dose of iodine to maintain normal health is of order 100 micrograms; see "Dietary Intake" below.) By ingesting this large amount of non-radioactive iodine, radioactive iodine uptake by the thyroid gland is minimized. See the article on potassium iodide for more on this topic. link
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Planet Earth has been poisoned by the f*cking greedy blind arrogant scientific materialist Nuclear Freaking Industry, Inc. (R - Global Greed Style)
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)[font size=4]That's how we got this sick in the first place.[/font]
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Or we all may pay dearly.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)A great stocking stuffer: RADEX RD1503+ - Radiation Detector
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)helps them spin their spew.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)...I could meet your 'standard' for "rational discussion."
But on the bright side, at least I have been "labeled" so that -- as a consumer of info -- you know that one of my ingredients is rhetorical bombast.
Now if only the rest of the people had food with labels so they could get a-freaking-clue about the mutant crapola Big Food, Inc. (R) is pumping down their gullets OCCULTLY...sigh.
polichick
(37,152 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Jasana
(490 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)In 2013, people really interested in radioactive fallout US govt studying public attention to Fukushima, tracks twitter searches NRC FOIA: Libyan war news should now downgrade Fukushima
ABC/Disney -- Has got major investments in Japan and look to cash-in more with the Radioactive Olympics in 2020.
NBC/GE -- They built the damned crappy reactors and want to avoid reminding people of that fact. And the fact that we have 23 just like the ones in Fukushima right here in the good 'ol USofA.
CBS/Viacom -- General incompetence. As well as senility at the top.
Fox/R.Murdoch -- They're Fox, so not much need to said beyond that. And they've got legal issues right about now and they're falling apart. Like the Republicans. Duh. Plus, they need the money for beau-coup payoffs if they're to stay out of prison {a prediction, you heard it here first!}. Not to mention paying Wendy's alimony. And besides, there are prior claims involved with Fox that nobody can touch because it's too hot:
Jasana
(490 posts)I did read somewhere that we're paying the nuke guys millions of dollars because we haven't come up with a permanent storage facility yet. That scares me too. Just think of how many spent fuel rod pools there are all around this country.
I like your Satan graphic. I hope you don't mind if I snatch it.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...nuclear power is not feasible as a stand alone business. The fact that it leaves the detritus of radioactivity to our children and grandchildren I think it the most cowardly act of our leaders.
As for my graphics, that's why I've always sought out the best of the best that the Internets have to offer. So we can plaster them all over creation.
- I wouldn't have it any other way......
malaise
(269,187 posts)Funny how there's not a word on Western TV
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...and a bunch of wacky spent fuel pools suspended 10 stories above the ground in damaged containment buildings is a situation that requires limited public awareness. Otherwise there would be...questions.
Thanks for keeping on this, DeSwiss. Fukushima is a global catastrophe and requires a global effort to address, let alone contain and remediate.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Jasana
(490 posts)I loved that movie and I loved Chris Tucker's portrayal of Ruby Rap. I know some people hated it but I thought he was hilarious. You keep screaming like Ruby. Not enough people are. Either they don't understand the magnitude of what's going on or they're just overwhelmed with the problems here in the states. I'm one of the overwhelmed ones. I just don't know what to do. I've written to my new Senators (Warren and Markey D-MA) at least 15 times now over various issues. Right now it's the TPP. Where do I start with Fukushima?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Although I made that comment about screaming like Ruby Rap in jest, because I'm one of the fortunate ones -- I don't fear death having been visited by the experience previously. So I'm not as concerned about what comes after, as I'm concerned about what comes right now. Which is really all there is: NOW.
The Fifth Element in some ways is an allegory of our times. We've reached a point where overwhelming evil is headed straight for us. Likewise, many are oblivious to this evil. And it's antidote: UnConditional Love {BTW, that's where you start with Fukushima, and everything else}.
Those of us who, like Lelu, have stepped back and looked at the totality of how we came to this screwed-up place, realize that drastic changes will be required in the way we go forward. Or we won't. The lessons have been taught to us, by us, but we don't seem to be retaining much of it.
- Likewise, as with Lelu who upon reviewing the collective histories of humanity, I often wonder if it is worth the effort to even try. Will we ever learn? We never seem to understand that this debacle that we're experiencing now isn't being done to us, its being done by us.
Jasana
(490 posts)Remember... in the end Lelu tried. She was exhausted beyond reason but she gave us one last shot. I think we deserve one last shot.
We've done some incredible things... men on the moon, telescopes in space, robots on Mars. We're just starting to see beyond the crib. Some of us are even starting to think beyond the crib. If only we could move in the right direction without destroying the crib. Yes, I think we have indeed come to a crossroad as a species.
I'm still not sure what to do about Fukushima but Markey is more environmental and Warren is more economics. Maybe I'll split my efforts and pester Warren about what's going on in the states and start pestering Markey about trying to look more deeply into Fukushima. It's the least I can do.
And then there's still Keystone. FSM, will this ever stop! Unconditional love is so hard... especially when almost half the people in the states seem intent on blowing themselves back into the stone age (or worse.)
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...but still there are days like this past week where 11 people in a wedding party were wiped off the face of the planet. And for what? Bullshit. Greed. Avarice. Ignorance. Hate. Prejudice. And none of this is new. In fact its as old as we are. And I'm tired of it.
I'm one of the few that don't think we should be traveling to Mars nor anywhere else while people live in the streets, while children die of starvation, while women are bludgeoned and abused and used, while we continue to accept this bullshit system that says a handful of people have the right of ownership of the goddamned planet! {please excuse me but I tend to get agitated on this subject}.
- Yeah, we've done a few things. And most of it was done for greed and to enrich a handful of people. Think of where we'd be if we were all together in this thing?
Jasana
(490 posts)don't apologize to me for it. Sometimes I get so agitated for want of change that I feel the entire species deserves one big permanent face plant...
But then, I think about those little robots on Mars and it gives me hope. I think, if we can do that then we sure as hell can fix this. I don't know. I have to have a little hope hidden somewhere or I wouldn't be able to roll out of bed in the morning.
As an atheist, all I have is NOW and that means that as long as I'm here, the best good I can do is to advocate for change. The Universe is huge. For better or worse it made us and we deserve a place in it. We're young and stupid but I still have a little hope hidden away for our future. A picture from Hubble always manages to touch that spot of hope and I get a lump in my throat when I see all the fearsome beauty that is out there. And it makes me want to try.
How can one even begin to understand unconditional love if one has no hope at all for the future?
P.S. - I loved Carl Sagen. When I was growing up he was one of my favorite people and I pushed myself to try and read his books even though some of them were above my head for my age. I think I was like 13 or 14 when he helped create the Planetary Society. I remember I hunted down bottles and cans so I could return them for money and join Dr. Sagen's group. He had a talent for pointing out stinging observations about humanity but I don't think he would have ever wanted us to stop exploring. http://www.planetary.org/about/our-founders/carl-sagan.html
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Unfortunately many of the things we have to live with aren't the result of our choices per se, but those of others who are supposed to be looking-out on our behalf. Many of the decisions that are made by us are not well-reasoned, nor well-informed. And many decisions are reached based upon false information. Outright lies, like GMOs.
However, when I use the term ''Unconditional Love'' it is fairly simple. In-general I am referring to three basic ideas as the default position for all human beings on the planet to assume:
(1) The acceptance of each person's right to exist.
(2) The acceptance of each person's right to utilize their free will as they choose.
(3) The agreement not to harm others.
This is the starting point. It is the only foundation that I know will bring peace.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)and eating a boatload of bananas.
I feel better now
NOT
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...getting those dental x-rays and eating those bananas in Japan, then you should be okay.
- For today.......
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)it is obvious that this is being swept under the carpet.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...I'm sure they'll let us know if something's gone wrong.
- Right?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)There is no other solution. They can't even get close to the 3 damaged reactors that are said to be melted into the ground. Into the ground where the nuclear cores are met by slow running water. Water that slowly makes it to the pacific just yards away.
For a hundred or more years, this polluted water will be bubbling into the ocean. The ocean has a current that flows due east to the US. So, for at least a hundred years there will be a stream of nuclear pollution waving up on the US west coast. May already be there. Probably is. Lots of sea-life dyng and acting weird already.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We have 100 of them in the US which will all be needing decommissioning real soon. The sooner the better. That bill will be at least (for the 100) $118 billion dollars in the next 60 years. And that is if it all goes well.
But Fukushima, which did not go well, will cost maybe a Trillion. And that does not include the cleanup of spread pollution.
Nukes are not and never were cheap. Nukes are producers of the deadliest pollution known to man. And they knew that before the first one was built!!
(The $1.18 bill is for a Fla plant just closed. See the E&E forum for details. )
defacto7
(13,485 posts)or most were.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And we all believed in Santa, and that Jesus was a white surfer dude. We were foxed out, big time.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)for getting wealth, position and power. We have to stop the "stupid" and we have to do it in a way that works. Otherwise those who would dupe humanity will continue to do so with impunity. Sometimes I think they are in hoard mode right now.
I don't think there is anything more important for the survival of human civilization than "stopping the stupid".
Berlum
(7,044 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)talks.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)when I was a kid; my mother wouldn't sign the permission slip for me because she never trusted anything the government put up and she feared the Atomic City, anything related to nuclear power plants.
I got to go because my daddy secretly signed it; they fought over that particular deception for years after, every single time I got sick.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...on the front end. And they avoid talking about it on the back end. But truth be told, we're the ones responsible for this shit. Because we let them do it.
- But there's no future with nuclear and there's no future in nuclear. It was a bad idea from the get-go. One of capitalism's worst in fact, if not the worst.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I have always been aware of what nukes would do. I was not surprised that Chernobyl or Fukushima blew. Just surprised they did not blow sooner.
No, this was foisted on our parents and they sucked it up. Our generation actually put a halt to new construction. Other people, without the education that we had, carried on this path. Now, we all will pay. It was the worst thing we ever conjured up.
Like Einstein said: without changing our mode of thinking, nuclear power will doom the planet.
Some of us have wizened up. Too little, too late tho.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Who did what won't matter in the end. We're in this thing together.
- Vertically if we can, horizontally if we can't.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)http://www.komonews.com/communities/westseattle/Has-mysterious-deadly-sea-star-disease-reached-West-Seattle-waters-233342451.html
New images taken by local diver Laura James could show evidence that a mysterious and deadly disease plaguing the West Coasts starfish population has reached West Seattle waters.
What's causing our Sea Stars to waste away? By Kiersten Throndsen Nov 15, 2013
http://www.komonews.com/news/eco/Whats-causing-our-sea-stars-to-waste-away--231982671.html
"It's quite morbid to watch this thing scurry around and have an arm fall off and another arm fall off and the legs shrivel up," said Gaydos, director of the SeaDoc Society, a science and marine conversation program at the U.C. Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.
Through a one-minute time lapse, you watch as a sea star, known as a sunflower star, moves through a tank at the Vancouver Aquarium, losing leg after leg until it ultimately dies. The video was shot over a seven-hour period, and according to local scientists, what you see in the video is very similar to what they've seen happening to entire populations of sunflower stars in waterways along British Columbia and the West Coast.
"Divers ran into it doing a regular survey looking at rockfish," said Jeff Marliave, vice president of marine science at the Vancouver Aquarium. They took photos of all these rotting and dying sea stars It was really in your face."
West Coast Starfish Turning to 'Goo' Is Latest in Mass Wildlife Deaths By Liz Fields Nov. 5, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/west-coast-starfish-turning-goo-latest-mass-animal/story?id=20781468
Marine biologists have reported widespread starfish die-offs along the West Coast, precipitated by a disease that causes their arms to fall off and the creatures to disintegrate and turn to "goo."
"Sea star wasting disease," has been flushing out a vast number of a particular five-legged species from tide pools, even wiping out up to 95 percent of the population, the AP reported.
Sea Star Wasting Syndrome
Mass Mortality Event
http://www.vanaqua.org/act/research/sea-stars
The coast of British Columbia is currently experiencing a sea star mass mortality event, coined Sea Star Wasting Syndrome. Recently, sea stars have appeared to be over-abundant throughout the Strait of Georgia, but divers began noticing sick and dying stars in early September 2013. The phenomenon seems to be affecting a number of species including purple stars (Pisaster ochraceus), pink stars (Pisaster brevispinus), mottled stars (Evasterias toschelii) and several others. However, the sunflower star, Pycnopodia helianthoides, appears to be the hardest hit species, with dense aggregations disappearing in a matter of weeks. The wasting syndrome may be a pathogen that affects several species in the same way, or there may be multiple agents at play. The underlying causes of the epidemic are not known. But through collaborations with veterinarians, universities, other researchers, and the public, we are working to understand the problem.
Thank you so much, DeSwiss, for compiling all of those links for us! This is all terribly worrisome news for those of us in the Pacific Northwest. And the World.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)I believe what we're seeing is a cascading of pollution anomalies within the environment. And once the chain of life is broken, species tend to die.
- And with us at the top of the pyramid, there's only one place for us to go......
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)of brainstorming say that you need to come up with ideas, folks, not just be a Teabagger and bash others)
Japan has passed laws to muzzle their own citizens on this subject, so it may well be up to us...
Idea 1: Since the iPhone is mostly made from Japanese parts, (Japan makes about 36% of the iPhone profit, China about 3%, because Japan adds value, China just assembles) we start a national movement to boycott iPhones until Japan comes clean or quits poisoning the planet.
2. <--this is where you start adding ideas that will get their attention. Please suggest some things...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)10:03 AM EST on December 14th, 2013
Asahi: Radiation levels spike to record high in Fukushima groundwater well nearby ocean Trench failures to blame, says Tepco Million times more strontium/beta-ray source than cesium
09:39 PM EST on December 13th, 2013
Japans Leader on 3/11: Most dont know, but Reactor 1 melted down in 5 hours; We almost lost 1/3 of nation due to Fukushima Tepco: Reactor 3 melted earlier than reported, NHK: Investigation into how such massive amounts of radioactive substances were released (VIDEO)
- So TEPCO who reports that the: ''water went in wrong pipes'' (as if the water made the decision to go in the wrong pipes all by itself) after they tried to avert the meltdown of Reactor 3, and who also forgot to mention that Reactor 1 melted-down in 5 hours and could have resulted in a loss of 1/3 of Japan, is also the company that is still in-charge of this entire operation. And we wonder why the animals are dying.
Don't forget, we're animals too.