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An editorial appeared in the local paper on December 12 to which I had to respond. Here's what the local hair-on-fire conservative had to say:
Grandmothers of today raise their childrens children, so the parents can work or do other things. Can you imagine what kind of grandmothers this generation will produce? This generation of me and mine will not be raising anyone elses children for sure. This is what our current society is producing -- not a self-supporting, responsible generation, but one dependent on the government, handouts and the sympathy and kindness of others.
It has been said that the oldest profession is prostitution. That has changed today. It is being on government assistance, a new form of prostitution and another practice of slavery. Once youre in the system, you do not get out very easily. Will this current pattern change? Only if parents become more responsible and change. Hopefully, they will..
To which I responded as follows:
For many years now, studies have shown that American workers are the most productive in the world. Because we work very hard in the United States, its hard to stomach Mr. Bass complaints about dependency and laziness. Many Americans with jobs still have to rely upon government assistance in order to survive. Wal-Mart, Americas largest employer, pays its associates so little that most of them qualify for government aid. In this way, taxpayers subsidize both Wal-Marts low wages and its obscene corporate profits.
Elizabeth Warren, a former economics professor who is currently serving in the United States Senate, has shown that the 1962 minimum wage, if it were adjusted for both inflation and increases in productivity, would currently be about $22.00/hr. ($44,000/year.). No wonder American families could survive on just one income in 1962. Our world is very different now. I know a couple of college-educated people with government jobs who are making $18,000/yearless than half what a burger-flipper would have made in 1962.
While the stock market is recording new highs, American wages are approaching record lows. Our Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr. is both embarrassing and exploitative. In France, the minimum wage is the equivalent of $13.00/hr. In Australia, its $15.00/hr. Naturally, our business leaders insist that calamity will befall us if we raise the minimum wage. Nonsense! Australia seems to be doing just fine with a minimum wage thats over double ours, and our economy was thriving in 1962 when the minimum wage was the equivalent of $22.00/hr. Why cant we return to those economic glory days?
The answer is simple. Greed is keeping far too many Americans impoverished. Increase the minimum wage and Mr. Bass Scrooge-like complaints about people who are less fortunate than he is will evaporate.
My editorial appears in this morning's edition of the paper. Let us hope it does some good.
-Laelth
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)And, good morning.
-Laelth
xchrom
(108,903 posts)That's a good look.
Thanks for the kick.
-Laelth
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Discussion was far more "lively" before this change, but I'll let you know how people respond. In this purple city in the middle of a deep-red zone, I suspect most responses will be belligerent. That said, a lot of people who do not respond will be supportive.
Either way, thanks for the response and the kick.
-Laelth
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The first is from Daisy Jonesing, as follows:
(Laelth) I don't know whether to laugh in your face or tell your family to see if they can't get a '302' and send you off in a straight jacket.
The hardest working people in the entire world are the Japanese and Korean! They can work circles around 'any one' in this country.
Do you have any knowledge at all of fiat money, inflation, cost of living, LACK OF JOBS and GOVERNMENT CONTROL?
http://www.macon.com/2013/12/15/2834507/this-is-viewpoints-for-sunday.html
The second is from Spyros Alvonellos, as follows:
http://www.macon.com/2013/12/15/2834507/this-is-viewpoints-for-sunday.html
Not much to work with, honestly, but that's what's been posted so far. I should mention, though, that I got a nice call from a cousin thanking me for fighting the good fight, and an acquaintance I met while browsing in a bookstore also thanked me for writing. I suspect I will get a few calls today, as well.
-Laelth
Laelth
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Orsino
(37,428 posts)...really ought to start coughing up some goddamned well-paying jobs.
However, our government has chosen, as do all failing empires, to revere wealth rather than labor.
Laelth
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Sheri
(310 posts)Laelth
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)And your's does. I can't believe how some turn logic on its head. The best way to END dependency is to raise wages to a minimum livability floor.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for the response and for the kind words.
-Laelth
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for the response.
-Laelth
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Young people do not read the papers. So the print media caters to the mature reader. By doing so they are marginalizing themselves right out of existence. Its infuriating to both demographics. Also the mature reader only watches Fauxsnooze because they do the same thing. You cannot fix stupid. Leave it lie until it dies.
But that was a great response too bad no one will bother to read it. The crowd we are talking about is stubornly set in their ways, hell they still worship saint Ronnie. They think W was a good president and they even still believe that Dick was a good VP. So like I said, you cant fix stupid.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I suspect quite a few will read it. The supportive readers won't comment, and the hostile ones will. The conservative minority is quite vocal, but they're still the minority as repeated polls have shown. It is incumbent upon us liberals to voice our opinions. We're right, after all, but the people are drowned out by the right-wing media echo-chamber. My preference is to fight it (when I can).
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
-Laelth
pangaia
(24,324 posts)or at least a pile of steaming meadow muffins.
brer cat
(24,565 posts)The answer is just as simple as you state. May it be food for thought for many in your area.
Laelth
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for the post.
-Laelth
pangaia
(24,324 posts)here's another.
Laelth
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LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Walmart is one of the boycotted businesses in this house. We don't shop there and there is one less than a mile from my house. I shop at Costco (6 miles away) as often as possible because they pay a livable wage.
I have also boycotted Chick Filet and Hobby Lobby or any shop that decides that their religion trumps others. I learned about Walmart when I was studying management and that was back in the early 90s. I haven't stepped foot in one of their stores in decades. I just refuse to shop with them and support OWS too.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for the response.
-Laelth
Orrex
(63,210 posts)more aggressively than people who earn just slightly above minimum wage. It blows my mind, honestly, to hear the outrage of these people who earn $12/hour, horrified that a mere McDonalds employee might somehow deserve $15/hour.
I have had the argument many times in recent weeks, and I am consistently amazed at how passionately they fight to eliminate the only leverage that they might use to secure a higher wage for themselves.
Better to fight for crumbs than to partake of the feast, I suppose.
k/r
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I have encountered the same kind of resistance. I chalk it up to ignorance of economics and the ever-pervasive power of the right-wing echo chamber.
-Laelth
Orrex
(63,210 posts)In addition, there's a disturbing "I deserve better" vibe running through all of it.
[font size=4]"I[/font] work harder at my job than a McDonalds worker."
[font size=4]"I[/font] paid more money for my degree than a McDonalds worker."
[font size=4]"I[/font] made better career choices than a McDonalds worker."
[font size=4]"I[/font] made better life choices than a McDonalds worker."
etc.
The answer to all of these objections is simple: those are arguments for why you deserve an increased wage, not an argument for why the McDonalds worker deserves a decreased wage.
People seem so eager to ingratiate themselves to their corporate masters that they reflexively attack any suggestion that they might be able to do better.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)If only those folks could realize that we all do better when the working class has money to spend. That's the truth, and the pervasive resistance to this truth has been eroding wealth in this country for over forty years.
I often feel like I am beating my head against a brick wall on this issue, yet I can not make myself be silent about it.
Thanks for the response.
-Laelth
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)sometimes (too often) I get the panicky feeling I'm living in a country full of stupid people. Like we're one step away from full blown idiocracy.
Your observations of people's reaction to a minimum wage increase are dead on. And it seems they shut down their brains after their first gut reaction. They don't think of the next step and the one after that. Factory workers will always be better paid than McD workers, so their wages will have to increase or else their employers won't have a workforce. On and On. It's a snowball effect. Everybody benefits. Crime goes down, general mental and physical health improves.
We become a better, happier, and more productive society when we have a thriving, comfortable middle class and the poor have a real and legitimate chance to move up. And with millions and millions able to finally spend money and some to spend more, the rich will continue to get rich and they, and the rest of us, will get to live in a much better country. Unless I'm missing something, it looks like win-win for everybody to me. Instead, we seem hell bent on making life miserable and we'll ferociously resist any attempts to change course.
Compassion, reason, logic, the flu, and cancer are all things we fear and desperately want rid of.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)By Chris Isidore
President Obama's proposal to hike the U.S. minimum wage to $9 an hour would still leave the lowest-paid American workers trailing their counterparts in several other major industrial countries.
The world's highest minimum wage is paid in Australia, where workers are paid at least 15.96 Australian dollars, or $16.91, an hour.
Canada does not have a national minimum wage, but the lowest provincial minimum wage is in Alberta, where workers must be paid at least 9.75 Canadian dollars, or $9.73, an hour, while workers in Yukon get at least $10.27.
Figures from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a multinational research body, show nine countries around the world where the minimum wage is more than the $9 President Obama is proposing.
- more -
http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/13/news/economy/minimum-wage-countries/index.html
Yup we need to start somewhere: $10 would bring us closer to the UK. It would be great if we could match Australia or lead the developed countries.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for the thoughtful and well-researched response.
-Laelth
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I call 'em out every time I can on the bull shit too.
Had to dress my s-i-l down just recently as to the reality of the harm the Waltons have done to this once great Nation. This from a clown who is out buying a $3500 "fishing kayak" as their home goes into foreclosure.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Thanks for fighting the good fight.
-Laelth
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Well said.
Laelth
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FairWinds
(1,717 posts)As a progressive who writes a lot of newspaper columns (Op-eds),
I can say with a little bit of authority that your answer is both well
written and well argued.
Another point you might have raised (had you space to do so), is
that corporate welfare in general totally dwarfs aid to the less well off.
So it the right wing argument is that welfare leads to dependency,
then the corporate sector (and the ONE %) are far more dependent.
There are a number of excellent posts on DU that explain and
demonstrate ridiculous welfare for the rich.
Keep up the great work !!
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am a friend of the editorial page editor, so I could have gotten away with a little more embellishment, but your point is well made. Undoubtedly, corporate welfare dwarfs what our society gives to the working class, and far too people are aware of this fact.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
-Laelth
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Did you happen to read some of the other letters at your link?
Holy cannoli !!!
Looks like a losing battle.
BUT- in 1971 the Macon High School (Illinois) baseball team, in a tiny town of pretty uneducated, right wing conservatives and a young left wing hippie coach with a beard, no less, won the Illinois state championship against odds that must have been a million to one. so.....never say never....
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am convinced, however, that the conservatives among us are just more vocal. Given how this county actually votes (a Republican can not win a county-wide election here), I suspect I will have a lot of silent support.
Thanks for the response.
-Laelth
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Outstanding essay and article, yours. Every word.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I hope it does some good.
-Laelth
Triana
(22,666 posts)Laelth
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