How can you be a Republican and not be a racist...??

[busterbrown]

Oh yea, and I realize that there are very well intentioned Christian Republicans out there who some will claim, don’t have an ounce of hate in them.. You know, the ones who shake their head, when watching
their local news which lead stories always begin at a crime scene...”These people need help from God”...


I know Republicans all to well and everyone of them will tell you that people of color need to pull themselves out of their own predicaments without ever giving a second thought to how these souls arrived at their predicament in the first place..

[4Q2u2]

1. Generalizations are usually bad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Brooke

[lame54]

4. Had to go back 30+ years

[4Q2u2]

10. No just one I was familiar with immediately

Generalizations are still usually bad.
It does show the movement of that party though.

[busterbrown]

30. Sorry to be tailgating...

I saw Wiki in his text and quit reading.. But to point out something which happened 30 years ago in order to prove a point is absolutely stunning !!

[el_bryanto]

38. They do save a lot of time though nt

[1000words]

2. My father is a staunch Republican and he voted for Obama ... twice!

Socially liberal. Fiscally conservative.

[lame54]

6. is he still registered republican?

[1000words]

7. Of course!

It's all about "bidness," and I'm sure he is not alone.

[lame54]

8. So if Obama is good for business - why is he republican

[1000words]

11. You'd have to ask him

Furthermore, you're reaching. This thread was about racism.

[lame54]

12. not reaching - just curious

[busterbrown]

21. There you go!!

In my opinion, honestly and Mike Malloy got me thinking about this.. It’s hard to be White in this country and not be a racist ...Period!

[lame54]

24. but it's easy to not be a republican

[SomethingFishy]

67. I think it's actually easier to be a Republican..

You don't have to give a shit about anything. You don't have to care if your actions have consequences, you don't have to worry about being offensive, you get to remain ignorant and clueless. The most blissful motherfuckers on the planet really.

Every once in awhile you go outside with your misspelled signs and yell about Commies, Muslims, or Liberals. Or you head towards a tea party rally where you gather with your open carry weapons carrying signs about the treason committing Muslim in the White House while ranting about how your 1st and 2nd amendment rights are being trampled on...

Kinda easy really... and no homework..

[lame54]

72. Ok you convinced me...

I'm going repug

What a relief to not have to give a crap about anybody else

[ReasonableToo]

23. If they were really fiscally conservative,

They'd want to invest in low income communities and end the death penalty because prisons and death row are MORE expensive than trying to address issues at their root.

When republicans don't support such investments there's something else going on - most common two are racists or sheeple (often both) The third possibility are those like your dad who may be fiscally conservative but see that republicans have abandoned them.

[TheKentuckian]

52. I don't see why being an economic feudalist and corporate enabler is any better

Seems to me that more folks recover from racist brainwashing than the neofeudalist variant.

[Lint Head]

3. Show me a racist and I'll show you a Republican.

[FrodosPet]

45. My dad would have argued that

He was a UAW Democrat. He hated Republicans with a passion. Even more than...

[bobclark86]

5. Yes, because ALL Republicans are racist...

... all Christians hate gay people, all Muslims are terrorists and all Democrats are vegan gay wimps...

Sorry, I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. I don't think people who disagree with me are evil. I don't hate people who vote against Democrats. I don't think Bush is a Nazi, nor Obama a socialist.

"Once you label me, you negate me."
Was that Kierkegaard? Or was that Dick Van Patten?

[busterbrown]

18. Well tell me in your personal experiences of any Republicans you know

personally who are understanding of the barriers which minorities of color face..

No, they’ll tell you they aren’t and get pissed off at the suggestion that they are..

By, the way that you think BUsh is anything worse than a despicable human being, responsible for several hundreds of thousands Iraqi Civilians being murdered, than you have little to say, in my opinion..

[bobclark86]

22. Aww, I disagreed with you on a label for a person...

now I "have little to say"... Not that I actually disagree about how wrong the invasion of Iraq was, just that I don't call him a Nazi (because he wasn't... was he a member of the National Socialist Worker's Party? No? Not a Nazi.).

I'm gonna go cry now

You are making a bad show of it: "Prove to me my overly-broad and offensive blanket statement is false!"

How about you prove that your statement is true? You brought it up, bucko. That's how arguments and debates work. Prove to me every Republican is racist. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You're no better than Rush Limbaugh bitching about poor "sluts" wanting me to fork out cash for their abortion factories, or Alex Jones telling us how Obama cheered when Sandy Hook happened so Democrats could take away white people's guns. You are adding very little to the discussion of this nation's problems.

[busterbrown]

31. Your barking up the wrong tree buddy!!!

I didn’t call him a Nazi, you did... I called him despicable!! Are you telling me I’m wrong?

By the way, I never said I can prove my opinion....It was an opinion and your argument against does not hold any water!!

[Iggo]

25. "Yes, because ALL Republicans are racist..."

Close enough.

[Seeking Serenity]

9. DH tells you to go pound sand.

And use your overly broad brushes to do it.

[Nye Bevan]

13. I know plenty of Republicans who are not only not racist,

but good decent people.

Wanting the top tax rate to be 5% lower and opposing the ACA individual mandate does not turn someone into David Duke.

[JaneyVee]

15. That's shocking. I've never met a Republican that wasn't racist.

[Hoyt]

16. Most today are clearly racist. Maybe not the lynching kind, but certainly the don't want their

taxes going to help minorities type.

I've known folks with confederate flag mentality that say the are fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. They were liars too.

[gollygee]

44. Yeah I think so

They wouldn't call themselves racist and would be offended by that, but they don't want their tax dollars going to *insert racist stereotype here.*

[busterbrown]

19. But they will never tell you the exact reason’s for their thinking..

Perhaps code words, like" too much spending on Entitlement Programs”..Or “Why should I pay for someone else’s medical problems” might enlighten you..

[Corruption Inc]

27. "good decent people" who just happen to support torture, LOL

I don't know a single repuke who's not a traitor to everything American. Tell all your "good decent" GOPig "friends" exactly what I said too. Then ask them about torture, equal rights, propaganda, WMD lies, the defense budget, the environment, the economy and religion and then post their responses here word for word.

Go ahead, I f-ing dare you to.

[busterbrown]

32. Exactly... Back when I was a kid there was sort of a middle grown.

No fucking more..

[Hoyt]

14. Bill Maher observed there are two things Republicans hate, 1) being called a racist, and

. . . . . . 2) Black people.

[ecstatic]

17. Cognitive dissonance, not in tune with the issues, cause/effect, etc.

There are racists in both parties, but the republican party is by far the safest place for racists. Still, I do know a handful of repubs who at least pretend not to be racist and seem like good people.

[busterbrown]

20. Pretending is an art..

Ask them if they believe that people on Welfare don’t do enough to help themselves out of their predicament..

[Ms. Toad]

48. Yeah that would prove it

because we all know that everyone on welfare is a minority.

[busterbrown]

50. You are correct...

Its a real gift to be able to honestly lie to your own being..

[Ms. Toad]

51. You are the one who suggested using welfare

as a proving point for racism. So you might want to shine some light on whatever shadows prompted you to suggest that as a test for whether someone is racist or not.

[busterbrown]

54. My implications are that the typical racist doesn’t think of a “Welfare Queen” as being Caucasian

living in Appalachia... In their minds they see a deep urban city reeking of crime, drugs and welfare abuse..

However since you asked...Everyone who has agreed with my original post states that they do not know personally one republican who is not a racist at heart.. Do you?

The Criteria being that poverty is self induced and can be eliminated only by the the old “bootstrap theory”
Libertarian point of State Rights Rules.

[Ms. Toad]

57. I know several.

Off the top of my head, two judges I clerked for, and a friend in law school - at least they are no more racist than white friends who are Democrats and who believe they not racist (and, personally, I think it is pretty hard for any white person to rid him/herself of the vestiges of racism - regardless of political persuasion).

Setting as criteria that poverty is self-induced and can be eliminated only by the old "bootstrap theory" is racist - in and of itself - because the criteria relies on the racist stereotype that poor = minority; otherwise it is just a statement about solutions to poverty and not a commentary on race.

[busterbrown]

58. Agree!! Yea I was listening to Mike Malloy who one night

stated that it was impossible to be White and not possess racist traits..

Even with myself, I find myself nervous when walking streets at night and noticing a group of young Black Men walking towards me, trying to decipher wether or not they pose a threat.. I been conditioned by
the eve local news throughout my life and my behavior is a good example of how my perceptions have been
hi-jacked.

I think the thing that separates me from the typical racist is the fact that I am fully aware of the circumstances of how this all came to be and am fully supportive of all Federal and State Programs which try to improve the lives of those who’s ancestors arrived in this country....Unfortunately a many of these programs have been eliminated which have devastated such communities,,




Christ,as few as forty years ago, Blacks could not use the same bathrooms as Whites.

[Ms. Toad]

59. Awareness is a crucial first step -

but there's so much that - even with the best intentions - I'll never be able to see all of the ways in which my actions or thoughts are subtly influenced by living in white skin, rather than some other color.

But as to the first Republican judge I clerked for - it was shortly after the mandatory minimum sentence laws started being hot (and imposed at the federal level). It really tore him up to not be able to take into account the life circumstances of the individuals he was sentencing - both because he knew that the inflexible rules meant disparately heavy sentences imposed on minorities and people living in poverty (who tended to rack up more "points" just by living than those with lighter skin and more resources) - and because he knew that prison was not the place to salvage a life. When his assessment was that the life was salvageable (regardless of the skin holding it), he desperately wanted the flexibility to be creative in sentencing.

Although his analysis about how to solve poverty might not have been the same as mine (I don't recall we had a conversation about it), I am confident that race played no role in it (other than the subtle stuff that none of us with white skin can avoid).

[busterbrown]

61. It would have been interesting to know how such a conversation would have rolled out..

I bet he had sort of a Libertarian point of view of govt..But I wonder exactly what was his view on poverty was back then...How can one be compassionate/conservative when addressing this issue.

[Ms. Toad]

63. Don't know -

That was 15 years ago, and he died a few years ago.

What I do know is that he was one of them most compassionate men I knew, injustice pained him deeply, and that the color of one's skin didn't play a role.

[busterbrown]

66. I wonder what he would have thought of the Repub.Party today? n/t

[Ms. Toad]

68. I doubt he'd be happy with it -

But I also doubt he would have left and ceded it to the wackos. (And the other judge I worked with is still a member, but a few years ago he didn't go along with some of the game playing happens at retirement in order to keep the judgeship in the party.

[busterbrown]

70. I bet you could write a few interesting stories concerning your experience..

[Ms. Toad]

71. I am currently telling several smaller stories

as part of a seminar this fall - and to family law classes where I now work - about being a party in an LGBT case of first impression, while working in the court it was required to be heard in for one of the Republican judges on the bench. (The second of the two Republican judges I worked for.) So yes - at least from that perspective I have a few interesting stories to tell.

[TheKentuckian]

69. The majority of "fiscal conservatives" are actually nothing of the sort, it is obvious code for

"Don't give my hard earned money to them lazy (insert minority slur of choice here)".

[busterbrown]

34. You can not in my mind be a good person if you are against a strong progressive based..

tax structure.. Or believe in safety nets as being problematical(Regan’s Welfare Queen). Or believe in no gun control...because you are hurting people’s lives if you do..

[Mz Pip]

26. I know a few.

Some are family members. They aren't racist, they just have a different view of government. They aren't FoxNews Republicans but any stretch of the imagination.

[Corruption Inc]

29. Good for you, go ahead and post some of their "different views of government"

You'll quickly discover all their so-called views are complete falsehoods perpetuated by their own self-induced stupidity and mental illnesses. Then try presenting the truth to them and watch how quickly you are demonized.

[Mz Pip]

35. Good grief.

Hyperbole much? Painting everyone who politically disagrees with you as stupid or mentally ill is intellectually lazy.

[JI7]

28. there are some like Huntsman, but we know how someone like him is viewed by most Republicans

so not every single republican is racist.

but a large majority of them are. and that percentage has increased in recent years.

[busterbrown]

36. Disagree!!!

Strong supporter of Flat Tax and School Vouchers... Both of theses programs hurt the poor. I won’t take it further, but these Programs are strongly supported by Libertarians..Today the most prominent member of the Libertarian Flag is a staunch Racist..

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Broad brushes, LOOOOVEEEE THEM!!!!

Where did I place my trash bin?

[busterbrown]

37. Why are they broad?

Tell me a Republican in all of govt. who has not endorsed a bill hurtful to minorities..
Yea, and don’t tell me about the all the Democrats who are racists...It doesn’t disprove my point..

[doc03]

39. I suppose some aren't but I can't think of one I know that

isn't.

[busterbrown]

40. Lets face it, there is no such thing..

I wish it weren’t true... I wan’t good things to happen in our country..

[bermudat]

41. Not all repugnantcans are racist, but all racists are repugnantcans.

[lpbk2713]

42. Their de facto leader is OxyRush

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There can be no doubt they are racists.

[TheKentuckian]

43. You can't spell TeaPubliKlan without the Klan. Some of them may not be personally racist

But there is extremely deep and quite broad support of institutional racism and that extends to black TeaPubliKlans as well.

[Hoyt]

46. Good point. A few might not be racist, but they tolerate millions of racists in the party,

even encourage racists.

There might be some racist Democrats, but it darn sure isn't encouraged or accepted.

[bigwillq]

47. Yes (nt)

[zappaman]

49. Yes.

I know a few.
Sorry if you don't.

[Jamaal510]

53. Michael Steele and Steve Schmidt are OK,

aside from their policies. I at least have respect for them because they don't seem like haters, and are willing to call out the GOP sometimes when they get too stupid.

[busterbrown]

56. Isn’t Michael Steel John Boehner’s spin doctor?

Backing up all safety net and entitlement cuts which Republicans have been pushing for the last 33 years?

Steve Schmidt is trying to scrape out a living.. Who know what he believes..

[kelly1mm]

55. This is the same type of thinking my ' in-laws have when saying D's = baby killers. I can't

remember how many times I have heard at dinners together and them saying something to that effect when anything political comes up.

[aznativ]

60. Since we are painting every member of the republican party

As racists....Sen Byrd was a kkk member who filibustered the civil rights act, what does that make democrats? Just sayin...

[busterbrown]

62. I mentioned down line that many Dems might and are Racists..

But I would say about 75% are not..I am saying that is almost impossible to be a Republican and not be a an out and out racist...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

64. You could until about a few years ago

I don't know how they can now. Must be cognitive dissonance.

[UTUSN]

65. Allow me to K&R #1 this n/t