Those people that support the Official Conspiracy Theory as supported by Dick Cheney and George Bush

[Old and In the Way]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by idwiyo (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Plse sign in, Everyone who supports the OCT should be proud to sign their nane. I'll be most interested to see who dosen't.

[Old and In the Way]

1. Sorry, 9/11 for those that don't know what my OP was

Was reffering to.

[Raksha]

24. I read that long 9/11 thread on LBN, so I know what your post is referring to.

I'm not signing in, BTW--I'm just commenting. I don't believe the Official Conspiracy Theory.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

2. I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Since you have a lot of posts, i'll give you the benifit of the doubt but there are so many acronyims on DU that I just can't keep track. It's like trying to keep track of big pharma all of their krypton names like Zoltan. Do you really expect us to know what tou are talking about?

[Old and In the Way]

6. Let me simplfy this for you.

Those that don't believe Bush/Cheney are "truthers". Those people that support Bush/Cheney.s vision of what happened on 9/11v are "Official conspiracy theorists". Who do you believe?

[okaawhatever]

3. Clarification or a link explaining the Official Conspiracy Theory please. nt

[Old and In the Way]

8. Sure, no problemo.

Here's what Bush/Cheney dictated to the 9/11 commission-

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.9-11commission.gov%2Freport%2F911Report.pdf&ei=cJSyUrfMLcLUkQeB1IGQAw&usg=AFQjCNHGlh1FX-h5OMtRGzOky5zJfmQnbQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0

[solarhydrocan]

9. It goes something like this...

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Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah…

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes…And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip…

Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely…

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two… and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground… only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI.

Meanwhile down in Washington…Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing…

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little…Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world’s most heavily defended building……all without a single shot being fired…. or ruining the nicely mowed lawn… and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video……

Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania…So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later…

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants… except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana……

Further south in Florida…President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children… shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger…

In New York…Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously…While back in Washington...

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination…

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least 11 of our 19 suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in lamestream media reports.

Edit to add: This was copied from a post which was copied from another post and so forth --the original source is long forgotten but it was not written by me.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Well, geez, when you put it that way, it kinda sounds funny...

Congrats on post of the year, BTW.

[Kurovski]

18. No kiddin'

That's a stylish rendering of events if ever I read one.

[Old and In the Way]

13. I've got 15 hours in the pilots seat of a Cessna 172.

There is no way a moron like Hans Hanjour who is absolutely incapable of flying a 172 can somehow figure out how to fly a 757. Not only fly it, but take it off autopilot and do a 270 degree turn while dropping 7500 feet and putting the plane 3 feet off the ground and destroying the only part of the Pentagon where Navy Intel is actually tryng to do their job. Sorry, no sale.

[Politicalboi]

14. I love it

That is what one would have to believe happened if you believe the 9/11 Commission. The Pentagon, our biggest DEFENSE building with 40 minutes since the 2nd tower attack does NOTHING to prepare for ANYTHING. That's what billions of tax dollars buy. And only ONE blurry video is supposed to be acceptable for a billion dollar outfit. To ask for clarity would mean you're a nut.

[Old and In the Way]

16. Boggles the mind...

We pay, $700BB/year for Defense....and they can't protect themselves with a 45 minute "heads up"?

Only a moron would believe Dick Cheney who told us we only had 15 ( count 'em) 15 planes protecting the entire USA on 9/11/01....because, coincidentally, the rest of the USAF was up at the North Pole involved in war games. Lucky bastards, those terrorists. But remember, he was the same guy that told us that Iraq was involved with 9/11, that they had WMD and were going to kill us, and the people of Iraq would give our soldiers kisses and flowers when we invaded. You believe he's telling the truth about 9/11?


Here is a very simple question. Was 77, 11, 175, 93 part of the war games going on on 9/11? Because, we know part of the exercise was gaming in-flight acts of commerical terrorism and perhaps taking control of these planes via remote control. There were a whole bunch of people from Ratheon on flight 11 that day...guys that were responsible for remote control technology. If you're going to do a "live hijack" wouldn't you want to have a bunch of scary looking mid-eastern dudes playing the role of hijackers (check out Atta's background). I can imagine a scenario where 20 guys are given a role to play "hijacker" only to find out that they are victims in 9/11. These guys were not fundies...they were intel guys.

[Old and In the Way]

17. See my post below...these guys got played.

None were hard-core fundies, most were enjoying their westernized world view, I suspect they were recruited for 9/11...because we needed 19 patsies to play the role of Islamic terrorist-fundies. Meanwhile, good old US technology made sure the targets got hit. Who wins? US MIC. of course! How much money did these same companies make after 9/11/01? Billions.

We incarcerate people for killing other humans for the change in their pocket. But if you kill 3000, you can make billions.

[Old and In the Way]

19. Well, except for your points....

we now know that Dubya was only cutting brush on his fake ranch (for 50% of his first term) and Condi never expected that terrorists might use planes as weapons (except for that situation where Bush had to stay on a US aircraft carrier earlier in the summer and the night of 9/10 when he had a SAM battery on top of his hotel in Sarasota).

But. otherwise, totally plausible.


Ok, so maybe we didn't actually know the names of all hijackers within 24 hours....we at least got the country right....right?

[indie9197]

22. Nicely condensed in my opinion n/t

[Raksha]

25. Whoever wrote that, it's one of the best pieces of black humor I've read in a long time.

Congratulations on stealing from the best.

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. I'm sending it to my brother

Its a great slice of sarcasm skepticism pie to the indigestible official story

[Spider Jerusalem]

28. Multiple problems with this

including the fact that the 9/11 hijackers had received some flight training; the fact that the collapse of the upper floors of the WTC caused the floors below to collapse due to mass (a "pancaking" effect and due to softening weakening of the structural steel thanks to 2000C temperatures from fires). Unless you're a materials scientist or a structural engineer you're probably not really qualified to say "well this was obviously the result of some sort of controlled demolition". Materials scientists and structural engineers have investigated the collapse of 1, 2 and 7 WTC and found them to be consistent with: structural failure due to above-mentioned factors, debris and other causes that don't require "controlled demolition" to explain them. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7

There was debris from the plane at the Pentagon. The observed damage was pretty consistent with a plane striking the building. Which is what happened: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon#bigplane

In-flight use of mobile phones has always been possible as long as there's a tower within transmission range; FAA rules called for disabling electronic devices in-flight due to worry over potential interference with avionics systems, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't work.

Ignorant crankery is still ignorant crankery.

[mwrguy]

4. MIHOP or LIHOP

I'm not sure what the official conspiracy theory is.

[Old and In the Way]

20. It's the 9/11 Commission Report

Where 15 Saudis (plus 4 others) conspired to put planes in the WTC. Pentagon, and either the Capitol or the WH (depending on the political disposition of the pilot, I guess) . You might think we should have invaded Saudi Arabia and taken out their rotten House of Saud....but, no, we had to exit Saudi military bases, give safe passage to Saudi princes in the USA, take out Saudi's #1 threat on their easter border(Iraq), and make their oil triple in price...but, hey, that was Bush's idea of payback. And you never heard the word "impeachment" from the Republican majority in Congress, did you?

[geek tragedy]

5. Truthers are really pouting up a storm since Chomsky

ridiculed the whole crazy lot of them.

This kind of post is why there's a Dungeon.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. So you are an OCT backer - which was what the OP was asking, which are you... n/t

[Old and In the Way]

11. I agree with 90%_ of what you state here on DU.

But I couldn't disagree more with your support of Bush/Cheney's OCT of 9/11/01. All evil started that day and people like you who defend it, enable it.

[Raksha]

26. No, all evil started on November 22, 1963.

September 11, 2001 was the sequel.

[greyl]

12. Barack Obama, Jon Stewart, Phil Donahue, Bill Moyers, Elizabeth Warren,

Noam Chomsky, Larry David, George Carlin, Keith Olberman, and the vast majority of qualified scientists and engineers on Earth.

[Old and In the Way]

15. They post at DU? Cite for the "vast majority" please.

Until I see 1000's of scientists signing up for the official NIST findings, I'll trust the thousands that disagree.

Sorry, the folks you mention have way too much vested interest in supporting the OCT. The only person of import here is Obama and the fact that he doesn't want the redacted 28 pages of the OCT to get exposed tells me how scary it must be for him. He's got a wife and 2 kids...why would he want to refute the official story? The last administration killed 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi's...do you really think they'd have a problem killing a a few black Americans, close to this POTUS?

[madokie]

21. I'm a MIHOP person myself

My question is how did they con the people who were in the planes who actually flew them into the buildings or were the planes remote controlled

[solarhydrocan]

23. It's a fact that remote capability to fly 4 engine Boeings has existed since 1984

The Controlled Impact Demonstration (or colloquially the Crash In the Desert) was a joint project between NASA and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) aimed at acquiring data, as well as demonstrating and testing new technologies, with the intent of improving occupant crash survivability, by crashing a Boeing 720 aircraft. The tests involved the efforts of NASA Ames Research Center, Langley Research Center, Dryden Flight Research Center, the FAA, and General Electric, and required more than 4 years of work before the test occurred...

Over a series of 14 flights, General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft. During the flights the aircraft made approximately 69 approaches, to about 150 feet (46 m) above the prepared crash site, under remote control.



...On the morning of December 1, 1984, the test aircraft took off from Edwards Air Force Base, California, made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2,300 feet (700 m). The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility. All fuel tanks were filled with a total of 76,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of AMK and all engines ran from start-up to impact (flight time was 9 minutes) on the modified Jet-A. It then began a descent-to-landing along the roughly 3.8-degree glideslope to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake, with the landing gear remaining retracted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Impact_Demonstration

If the tech to remote control a 720 existed in the early '80s imagine how much better it must have been in 2000. So good, it's easy to imagine that a Boeing 4 jet airliner could have been remotely flown into the ANTENNA on the top of the WTC building- not just the building itself.

I'm not saying that I believe that the jets were remotely controlled. I'm just pointing out that the capability existed.

[idwiyo]

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