Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully...

[MannyGoldstein]

You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

OK, fellas, start the auto-carnage!

[arthritisR_US]

31. Enjoy it, just do it respectfully nt

[arthritisR_US]

90. Wrong gender. nt

[woolldog]

2. ....

[seabeyond]

3. thank you so much for snarkly dismissing womens voice because you do not experience what women do,

and obviously do not give a shit.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. You forgot the apostrophe in "women's"

And "voices" needs an "s".

And your supposition is totally, utterly wrong.

[enough]

11. Manny, are you kidding? You're going to respond with carping about spelling?

On the net?

[MannyGoldstein]

16. It was a setup for saying that the supposition was totally wrong.

Not very funny, I guess.

[EOTE]

73. I chuckled. nt

[arthritisR_US]

33. Grammar does not trump dignity. nt

[oldhippie]

83. And doesn't use capitals ....

How can you take anyone seriously when they don't use capitals?

[CFLDem]

27. The clock strikes again!

[TransitJohn]

88. snarkily eom

n/t

[Faygo Kid]

4. Ouch, that's gonna hurt.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. That woman made Bluetooth possible

I shit you not. Google it.

And beautiful.

I'm in love.

[Faygo Kid]

19. I know, that's why I chose her.

Also, and hate me for it or what, she was spectacular looking.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. I think she also made one of the first pornos

http://vimeo.com/62124101

(I'm sure that I'm in trouble for posting this.)

[NightWatcher]

5. Where the fuck did all this come from?

The last I saw, we were gnashing our teeth about a phony redneck that makes duck calls. Now today it's all lusty lookie loos.

I'm taking my circumsized pittbull to Olive Garden and sit this one out.

[seabeyond]

8. a PSA for india was put up. the country where men gang rape the women. the men on du got pissed.

didnt like the message.

[kcr]

13. And, as usual, that message is getting completely distorted

to the point where now, it's "Waah, they're saying men aren't allowed to look at women!" Same old bullshit.

[treestar]

78. At least it is a little more interesting than the door opening threads

Ever since that I've noticed that both sexes hold doors behind them for both sexes. It's not even an issue.

I remember a college roommate who was so nice, she opened her car passenger door for people, even another gal, such as me.

[pacalo]

15. That's *exactly* how everything transpired.

[NoOneMan]

51. ALL of the men! I mean it this time!

If you have a penis and post on DU you are bad!

Yawn

[seabeyond]

52. show me where i said ALL.

[Soundman]

82. I wish that du had

A like button similar to face book.

[Marr]

54. "The men on DU". You really should look up the word "some" and incorporate it

into these statements. It would prevent a whole lot of bad feelings.

[boston bean]

67. You should talk, I'm sorry but your comment to RQ about

the KKK, remember that one? Take some of your own advice.

[Marr]

89. Not related in the slightest.

And you should really find a new line for your bullying attempts. That one's grown threadbare.

Again, saying "some" would help make such statements less inflammatory. I expect you'd agree if we were talking about women.

[geek tragedy]

58. the civilized men liked that message just fine.

It's the others who whined.

[seabeyond]

59. lots of men thought it a good message. nt

[sabrina 1]

85. I thought the message was only for uncivilized men. n/t

[geek tragedy]

87. well, that's the problem, the men who need to see that in order to correct their

behavior get all defensive and dig in and insist there's nothing wrong with them staring at a woman's anatomy and offer up sexist talking points like:

--women like being ogled/leered at/objectified by good looking men, so really they're not only superficial but also confusing the men

--if women don't like to be ogled by strangers, they should just wear a burka.

That's what the Mens Rights types have been arguing. Very charming.

[sabrina 1]

93. You make my point. A vast, vast majority of men are normal and are not guilty

of what is being described here as a crime. And it is shameful that DU is creating that impression.

When people respond with examples of pedophelia, eg, as if this is about children and actual crime, and the implication is that all men are potential rapists, that's when this becomes ridiculous.

If they want to talk about criminal activity towards women, then talk about that, it is a real issue, But these outragious implications about all men, and all women being victims, actually harms women who really are victims of criminal behavior.

Of course criminals are not going to be 'shamed' or even listen to admonitions that they ought to behave themselves. Did anyone really think they would? Crime is a police matter and if a woman is subjected to crime, they hopefully will report it where in this country if you sexually assault a women or a man for that matter, it IS against the law. Unlike India. And to claim that women here are in the same boat as many women in other countries, is absolutely ridiculous and loses all credibiity for those trying to make that assertion.

And that is why so many people dismiss it all.

[geek tragedy]

94. I have not seen comments condemning all men as being leering perverts

Pretty sure I would be offended by such talk, being a man and everything

Leering and ogling is not a criminal offense, just creepy and boorish. And yes there are anti-feminists right here at DU who have defended their right to ogle women and told women who object to creepy strangers ogling them to just wear a burka if they don't like it.

Safe to say you repudiate the "just wear a burka" commentary?

[Catherine Vincent]

14. LOL! :)

[sabrina 1]

35. Well at least we're not thinking about the Government spying on the people or the Secret Trade Deal

where Corporations write our laws and Congress just votes for them. Or how many civiians we are killing somewhere in the world to test out our latest drone technology. How many of them have we sold yet I wonder?

Or the cuts to food stamps and veterans benefits, or Congress voting not to extend Unemployment benefits. Have they raised their own salaries lately btw?

And we're not thinking about how the Big Banks got away with wrongful foreclosures by making a deal where they pay the people whose homes they stole about $800.00. While they got bailed out for collapsing the economy with trillions.

And also, due to our intense interest in the Duck Guy and Men looking at Women, we are not talking about how they are planning to cut Social Security and the obscene amount of money they are giving to the Pentagon despite the fact that they tell us we have no money.

We're not talking about Clapper lying to Congress and what they intend to do about it.

Or how many children to to bed hungry in the US every night.

Nor are we talking about Gitmo, which is STILL operating and costing the tax payers a fortune besides the stain it is on this nation.

No, why should we bother our beautiful minds with such things when we obsess over what Sarah Palin said yesterday, or what the Duck guy is up to, or most importantly, men looking at women. Do women look at men, lustfully btw?

If we didn't obsess over these things, we might be tempted to put all that energy into some of those boring issues that affect millions of people, mostly the poorest, the weakest etc. I wonder if THEY have time to obsess over the Duck Guy and all those other very important issues?

[Oakenshield]

55. Well said.

Let's all try to stay focused.

[leeroysphitz]

62. This.

[Enthusiast]

69. +1 a significant amount.......nt

[treestar]

79. This is something we might actually feel affected by

The trade deal or the NSA having metadata won't really affect our lives.

But people live every day with their sex lives. Women don't like men to think of them as objects, and men don't like thinking that there are women who don't want to have sex with them. It brings out real feelings about real things.

[sabrina 1]

91. Well I'm thinking about the little children who were blown to bits by our drones, some of

at a wedding party recently, eg, and done on our name. I would say that 'might definitely have affected THEIR lives, well their very short lives, not to mention their loved ones left behind.

I'm sure they too live with their 'sex lives' but I doubt they consider someone looking at them, those mothers, to be a matter of great importance.

The NSA has affect MY life, personally. I was totally creeped out when I learned that every call I made was being 'collected' by some stranger I do not know and it gave me the same creepy feeling I had when a peeping tom was prowling our neighborhood, looking in windows, 'collecting data' I guess although at least in his case so far as we knew, he wasn't using it to target anyone with, as we know now the NSA HAS been doing.

As a woman I am far more creeped out and always was by the knowledge that a bunch of strangers who for all I know are weird, creepy or something else, because to even WANT a job like that you have to be more than a bit weird, than I am about some guy looking at me as I pass by. And to think it is the government doing this too, which makes people feel even more helpless.

Don't tell other people what affects their lives and what doesn't. You may be okay with peeping toms in your emails and on your phone, but a majority of people I know will not talk about things they thought they were free to discuss without some weirdo listening in. So yes it definitely DOES affect people's lives.

I could go on, but what a waste of energy on something that can and is so easily handled by people every day.

[treestar]

92. But people end up dealing mostly with their own lives

That are happening to them, here. And will talk about them to the exclusion sometimes of the wars and metadata.

[sabrina 1]

96. Which is hugely inappriate, to find something like a man looking at you more important or

more disturbing than the slaughter of innocents in our name, WE could do something about IF enough people cared and were capable of caring about other people as much as they are focused on their own, by comparison if I'm reading them right, triial problems. But the government has sized us up well and they apparently know that many people will be easily distracted by the latest 'outrage' and it's always good to use 'women' they know, to get the attention of the 'left'.

If people actually obsess more about some guy being slightly annoying than what their government is doing to the lives of actual living human beings, there is something majorly wrong with that.

[treestar]

97. People just are that way

If someone is looking at you, that person is right there in your face and part of your life. Some people don't even pay attention to politics at all. People are going to talk about such things, and always will, whether it be the battle of the sexes or whether Olive Garden is any good. It makes DU more interesting.

[sabrina 1]

98. No, SOME people are like that. It is a minority but they manage to use up a lot of energy

that should be spent on more important issues. And we are not talking about people who are not interested in politics, we are talking about people WHO ARE. Right here.

[Marr]

53. I'll tell you where I think it came from.

Recently (a week back or so, iirc) there was a transparently trollish post on a topic that just didn't get traction. A few hours after it sank, the topic was re-introduced, with a feminist frame. Suddenly, it was intensely divisive and gained traction easily. After that, several other topics that had sunk on previous days were reintroduced with the same framing.

I really wish I could remember what the topics were now, but I can't. It was just something I noticed at the time as a curiosity, but as this has become louder and louder, I've become a bit suspicious.

I think a lot of this is nothing more than disruption and trolling, personally.

[Vashta Nerada]

7. Trash thread #15.

[enough]

12. +1 (nt)

[PeteSelman]

10. I don't know what is supposed to be done about this.

I'm a guy, I really like women. I look, I evaluate, I think about it, I move on. It happens a hundred times a day. I don't leer, I'm not a letch, I don't make anyone uncomfortable. I would never hurt anyone.

I think I'm normal.

[pacalo]

21. Pssst...

You are normal. This is all about missing the old Meta forum that turned into a daily fight fest with OPs written most prolifically by one particular group complaining about men. Since Meta has been removed, the nastiness continues in GD under the guise of the "talk about issues" clause of GD's Statement of Purpose.

There are many women on DU who don't have the same mindset as what you're witnessing.

[pintobean]

24. HOF is the new meta

but it's invite only.

Spot-on post pacalo.

[pacalo]

26. Honestly,

judging from what I've seen with my own eyes, I want no part of it.

[geek tragedy]

60. given the constant harassment from the misogynists here, yeah they do need

a place where sexist trolls aren't welcome, since the rest of the site is very permissive towards that kind of shit.

And funny how it's only the women to blame--no mention of the anti-feminist men (who have their own forum too) who started this shitstorm by objecting to an anti-sexism PSA from India and purporting to lecture the women on feminism.

[treestar]

80. Have to agree, it is the MRA types who can't sit still about it

Women may not like being treated as objects, but MRAs do not want to think of women as more than that and it gets very upsetting to them to realize that the women won't all play along.

[Demo_Chris]

64. yep. nt

[sabrina 1]

37. You are. And just fyi, women do it too, and they are not harming anyone either, they are normal too.

[Fla_Democrat]

17. I've looked on many women with lust.

I've looked on many women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times. God knows I will do this and forgives me.

Interview in Playboy magazine (1976), while a candidate for President.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jimmycarte130252.html

Jimmy said it's ok.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Well... now you know what to do!

(God, I hope I don't get blamed for any ER visits...)

[sabrina 1]

38. You know what's great about this? I hope I'm right though I'm no expert on the Bible, but

it says NOTHING about women doing all those things?? Does that mean that we can go on looking at men the way we always did and it is not a sin and we don't have to do any of those gross things men are supposed to do to themselves if they 'stray'? Are women NOT straying when they do it?

Lol, if you do get blamed you have a spectacular defense. It's right there in the Bible, not to mention, look at all the support you'll have!

[MannyGoldstein]

39. I cannot respond to that

For I will be smoted.

[treestar]

81. IN those days women got stoned to death

Things have come forward since Biblical days. We can acknowledge that. Thanks Feminists. (male and female).

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. Aren't there newer translations of the Bible that call for removing your contacts?

Gouging one's own eyes out seems a little overdone, and I'm not sure if ACA will cover it if you throw the damned things away post-gouge.

[Orrex]

22. I'd like to see that bit rewritten with a more Conservative message.

[Squinch]

23. Trashing thread. With great disappointment in Manny.

[NuclearDem]

41. Following suit.

Manny, you're much better than this.

[rrneck]

25. Men have been ogling women for a million years.

?quality=0.6

[sabrina 1]

40. And women have ogling men for a million years also.

I'd put up a picture, but Manny couldn't tell me if the bible laid out the same rules for women as for men. So, rather than tempt fate, all I'm saying about this subject is that women have been doing it too.

[MannyGoldstein]

43. The bible says you may.

In fact, IIRC, the Old Testament highly encourages it.

[sabrina 1]

47. Thank God!

[rrneck]

45. Yep,

Viva la similarité

[sabrina 1]

48. Et la differance!

[TransitJohn]

28. Sigh

I remember when G̶e̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶W̶a̶r̶s̶ Democratic Underground was one of the bastions of progressive liberal thought on the 'net

[sabrina 1]

86. I remember that too. When Democrats did not support spying on the American people, or

the privatization of education and everything, or made excuses for cutting Social Programs. And where women were not constantly being painted as victims etc.

[Niceguy1]

29. if that's the case I know I'm destined for the lowest

level o hell. Hahahahaha but really there's nothing wrong with it

[loli phabay]

36. lowest level is full of fornication and naked people, definetly booking my seat.

[Niceguy1]

44. then I had better start working harder

maybe they have a VIP section that would be worth working for

[madinmaryland]

32. Why don't you just try the third fucking way. Thread TRASH is my friend.

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Moi? Third Way?

What would I trash, anyway? It's fun to watch. Mostly.

The Internet is a sociology experiment with billions of participants; I love it!

[TreasonousBastard]

42. I've wondered at times if the women who complain about women being checked out...

are the women who are being checked out...

[Major Nikon]

68. Woman or man there's only one thing worse than being ogled

...not being ogled.

Just sayin'

[treestar]

74. Probably.

I have to admit I've never felt like I was being ogled, even when young. There was a thread asking about it and I couldn't recall an incident of feeling uncomfortable. I had a nice face, but not a big chest. All I can recall is older men talking to me on airplanes where they don't now, but that could be the culture of then vs. now.

I would think really good looking women would be the ones who have the problem. It's hard to feel sorry for beautiful women, but when I think about it, they would experience a great deal of attention due to looks, and then if aware of that, feel kind of like no one cares about the inner person? It would depend on the woman.

Ugly women find husbands all the time. Sometimes I think they have the best marriages. Their husbands aren't handsome, but are good guys. Maybe they check out a lot of other women and that's all they do? The beautiful ones they know won't go for them. Making that sort of just a pain for a beautiful young girls.

I knew someone was going to go there and imply that the feminists are ugly. That's always been one way to dismiss them, but it proves their very point. Ugly men are not just dismissed from society.

[sarisataka]

46. I confess...

I looked at a woman lustfully today. But I plead innocent, it was her fault, the way she was dressed... and the way she woke me up this morning.





I so love my wife... she is definitely on the naughty list

[edbermac]

50. Add Jimmy Carter to that list.

"I’ve looked on a lot of women with lust. I’ve committed adultery in my heart many times. This is something that God recognizes I will do—and I have done it—and God forgives me for it. But that doesn’t mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock.”

Playboy Nov 1976

[treestar]

76. Did he say he would or would not condemn them?

that word is gone but still in the last sentence it would seem he does not approve of leaving your wife and shacking up. That would seem more likely to be his opinion.

[LukeFL]

77. He knows best

I guess is ok

[Nevernose]

84. And a 2001 version

N/t

[progressoid]

57. What if both hands cause me to sin?

I can cut off one but do I chew off the other? Help me Jeebus.

[geek tragedy]

61. Apparently third way manny is also MRA Manny.

Trash thread.

[pintobean]

63. Lol

Run through the thread taking shots at people, then make the big "trash thread" announcement.

Now, that's classy.

[JoePhilly]

72. Or, maybe this Manny persona is the real one.

There are so many Manny personas, I've lost track.

[treestar]

75. This is a subject that can divide liberals

That's why there are so many threads on it. And certain posters love to divide Democrats.

[DLevine]

65. Lost a lot of respect for you today, Manny. WTF. nt

[B Calm]

66. Damn, who wrote this, The Church Lady?

#t=16

[bemildred]

70. Right, cut off small, tender, sensitive, innocent little body parts because of a bit of mental lust?

If that is not thought crime, I just don't know what is.

[MineralMan]

71. This is purely a religion thread.

Since all you posted is quotations from the Bible, it violates the GD SOP. The Religion Group is that way ==>

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. ...sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love.

Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. Butch Hancock