I resent Glenn Greenwald for selling books about George W. Bush's terrible policies?

[Penicilino]

He should not have sold those books as he made money off them. That's like...checkbook journalism.










/sarc.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Whaa?

You probably thought him a rabble rouser for facilitating Edward Snowden.

[zeemike]

3. I take this as snark.

Because that is the latest meme against Greenwald...but I don't know what the intent really is.

[orpupilofnature57]

17. To identify why people Villify Greenwald & Snowden.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

2. Greenwald didn't pay Bush for those stories.

Just like he hasn't paid Snowden.

But I get, or at least I think I do, the point you were trying to make.

[Lifelong Dem]

24. He hasn't paid Snowden "yet".

Snowden is trying to get to Brazil - where GG has the money. But he run into problems in Russia.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

29. Uh-huh.

Snowden looked pretty calm and confident in his Christmas address yesterday, not as if he's been suffering in a frigid Siberian hard labor camp, as many DUers seem to wish.

Focus on the NSA.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Yep - he should have done it as a "Public Service"

[George II]

5. As Alan Dershowitz said today, Greenwald will do anything to try to destroy America

[RC]

6. Greenwald doesn't have to do anything to try to destroy America.

Our own government is doing a good job of that all by itself.

[2banon]

9. Alan Dershowitz? ! LOL! That dude lost his creds post 2001 with his Bush Butt Licking

and undying support for the invasion of Iraq etc etc etc. I mean seriously, Dershowitz is not the person you want to point to for support of your position. Unless of course you're engaged with Neo Cons and freepers.. that's different. And talk about pot-meet- kettle.. look at me Dershowtiz.. LOL!

[orpupilofnature57]

18. From a man that holds semantics over human life .

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Reversal_of_Fortune

[jazzimov]

7. I resent Greenwald for spreading lies,

if the lies were about Bush, then he undermined the anti-Bush movement. Although there wasn't the same need to lie about the Bush Admin.

[marmar]

14. What lies?

[orpupilofnature57]

19. Where's the answer for marmar ? crickets.

[bvar22]

32. Yes. Please provide some support for your claim the Snowden spread LIES.

We all KNOW that Clapper lied under oath to a Senate Committee,
and we all KNOW that President Obama was less than truthful when he claimed that there was "No spying on Americans",
but tell us about the Snowden lies.

[frylock]

36. lies! lies! lies! yeah-yeah. why don't you post them?

'cause you can't can't can't yeah-yeah.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

8. How a Good vs Evil Mentality Destroyed (the Bush Presidency) ?

Given his dozens of documented exaggerations and outright mischaracterizations concerning Snowden, and his attempts to try to stick himself into the story, this could be rewritten as "How a Good vs Evil Mentality Destroyed (Greenwald's Credibility)" and be equally as true.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[2banon]

10. oh good grief..

[Zorra]

11. Ready? On 3. 1...2...

3!

[2banon]

13. LOL! yes!

[orpupilofnature57]

21. Reality based ?

[bobduca]

23. Karl Rove quote

by saying you are a member of "reality based community" you are saying you are opposed to Bush administration policies.

[Karl Rove] said guys like me (Ron Suskind) were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

[orpupilofnature57]

26. +1000!

[frazzled]

12. But he once supported them, ever so much

Yes, in his book How Would a Patriot Act he said so himself. In his words:

I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint. And I was fully supportive of both the president's ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the president's approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance.

>

The next significant item on the president's agenda was the invasion of Iraq. While the administration recited the standard and obligatory clichés about war being a last resort, by mid-2002 it appeared, at least to me, that the only unresolved issue was not whether we would invade but when the invasion would begin.

During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812

I never got past that bit in the preface to his first book, and never read another one. He was either lying or a fool, or both. I haven't changed my opinion on that score.

[Penicilino]

16. So...Greenwald said that he once shared the views of Kerry, Hillary, Schumer, Biden. etc.

Therefore he shouldn't have written books later denouncing Bush's policies?

All those Democrats who voted for the Iraq War had way more power than a guy who didn't even have a blog in 2001. It is thanks to them and the neocons that hundreds of thousands died for no reason. Maybe Hillary shouldn't be charging hundreds of Thousands for a speech since she screwed up the Iraq War vote. And Biden be advised: Never write a book not for free.

By the way, is Biden getting a salary as a VP? The outrage! He voted for the Iraq War so he should work for free!

Yeah, that's logic. Socrates would be proud of your reasoning.

[bvar22]

33. Ouch.

So much hypocrisy,
so little time.

[mimi85]

15. Glenn Greenwald's biggest fan is

Glenn Greenwald. I just can't stomach him. Does he get pleasure out of anything? He's such a downer - has anyone seem him sincerely laugh or smile? I wish he'd stay in Brazil or wherever he is and get on with life.

[anti partisan]

20. Very insightful and relevant post (see link)

click

[Lifelong Dem]

25. I can't stand to look at his smug mug

I wish DU'ers would give a warning if or when they post a photo of him.

[bvar22]

34. This is more to your liking?

Gen Clapper LYING under oath to a Senate Committee about Snowden's revelations.

[Lifelong Dem]

35. LOL

There's not too many out there that I can't stand to look at. Bush Jr. would be the only other one I can think of.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

28. Here ya go!

And while you were typing that little jab, Greenwald could very likely have been sitting on his deck in sunny Brazil enjoying Caipirinhas with his long-term partner, petting his lucky rescue dogs, and reflecting on his successful career. Yeah, what a total fucking sad sack.

Or not:

[snooper2]

37. he is a lot more cute in this pic!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

38. Yeah! And here's another...

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/documents/nsa-conference-speaker-bios.pdf

(Page 8, right column, second bio, if you need guidance.)

Although I think the guy above Wyden is hotter, at least on a superficial level...

[msanthrope]

22. Being the patent lawyer for Nazis wasn't paying, and writing racist diatribes about "illegals" was

not bringing in the cash, either.

So I get his change in schtick...hey...Brazil doesn't pay for itself. So I understand why the man who chose to be Matt Hale's attorney in a trademark infringement case with another neo-Nazi group decided to change lines...heck..it's not like his advice on "illegals" was going anywhere.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2353888

[djean111]

27. Aaaaaaand....smearing Greenwald takes NOTHING away from the NSA stuff.

Nothing. Funyy, though, watching people trying to make GG the story, and not the NSA.
And all because of who happened to be president when the story broke.

[gulliver]

30. Greenwald endorsed Fox News on his cover.

I honestly never knew he did that. It is further proof that he is post-use dog food. Was this supposed to be a pro-Greenwald OP?

Backfire big time.

[Octafish]

31. There's more money in going along.

Ask Cass Sunstein... Phil Zelikow... and Vulgar Pigboy Rush Limbaugh: