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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Wherein the question asked whether it's transphobic if a man opts to not date a trans person.
I'm starting to understand why there was a meta forum. Sort of like flypaper for bullshit.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)If a straight man who doesn't want to date a transexual is transphobic, then by that reasoning a straight man who doesn't want to date men is homophobic, no?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Otherwise it makes you a man-hater.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The transwoman is a woman, and straight men date women. So that is singling out a group of the larger group which they date. Whereas you are talking about men you wouldn't date and who would not date you anyway. Like lesbians who would not date you are not man haters. They just don't date men.
As to being a homophobe, that depends. I am told I am one because I still supported Obama after he picked Rick Warren to give the invocation at his first inauguration. I am also one for considering other issues at times to be of greater weight at a given moment. It's pretty easy to get classed as a homophobe even if you do support equal rights! On DU that is. Also being a Catholic will qualify you.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)a transgender. thankfully, I got married and avoided that minefield.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That was a big sensation due to a scene where a man finds out the woman he brought to his bedroom is still a man as to genitalia.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)There are a lot of uptight people, here, that don't have a sense of humor.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)I have a sense of humor.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)but a member of the society of the perpetually outraged would be.
I made a joke in the thread you're referring to that was hidden in 5 minutes
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Whining about that hide and defending it as a 'joke' proves that you are a transphobic bigot.
Link to hidden post if anyone wants to see the proof of your bigotry:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4245291
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)Particularly in conjunction with his other hides.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)That's a joke from the movie, stripes
Having a personal preference when dating people doesn't make anyone homophobic or a bigot
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Isn't the sole territory of the transgendered
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Even when it's pointed out that people other than the transgendered have plastic surgery you try to insist my post only referred to the transgendered
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Date people who've had plastic surgery?
You probably become offended if the wind blows the wrong way at a given time.
Enjoy yourself
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Pure unadulterated transphobic bigotry.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Is transgendered
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)You believe that transwomen are 'fake', not 'real' women or you wouldn't even think about posting bigoted shit in a thread about transgender women.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Should clue you in to their similarities.
Some people just live to be offended
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)the wrong genitalia and needed to have a corrective surgery is the proof that you are a bigot.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Or rejuvenate it, aren't natural then that's your problem, not mine.
And by natural I don't mean anything but not done by nature itself
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)I am disgusted by the fact that you keep posting homophobic crap on DU.
Homophobic bigotry, pure and simple.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)to avoid confusion you still managed to confuse yourself.
If it's man made it's not natural, that doesn't mean being born with the wrong parts isn't natural
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)you created made it even worse.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)And get called a homophobe
If I wouldn't date one legged Somali pirates would it make me a racist homophobe who hates the handicapped or just a picky dater?
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I didn't realize my preference for women with real boobs made me fearful of gay people.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)What you think it means
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Doesn't occur to you that I could be gay or bisexual, does it.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)You're claiming to be a misogynist rather than a homophobe? That's not actually better, you know.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I hate plastic surgery... Good god, people
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)makes statements like 'I don't date women with fake parts' in a threads talking about transwomen.
How silly of me not to consider that possibility.
Keep digging.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Seriously?
One could be a bi- male but that doesn't mean that bi- males can't be homophobic.
One can be a misogynistic bigot AND a homophobic bigot at the same time.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)it's how some people live I guess.
The word used was "anyone"
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)because it was a homophobic post.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)exclusively refers to the LGBT community
What does the word "someone" mean? I don't want to offend hobbits with gingivitis or something
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)How about "anybody" who does that offend?
I didn't realize plastic surgery was so close to the hearts of so many
And congrats...you're the first person on my ignore list
I hope that doesn't make me anti whatever...wouldn't want to offend 12 thumbed gnomes with brown eyes or something
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)To suggest such a thing is extremely tired, old1950's style homophobia, retro ignorance. Not just hateful, but also very dated.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=310167&sub=trans
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)5 hidden posts in less than a month.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Thanks for the tip.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)This sort, more likely gone for good.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Definitely something to look forward to.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)His pizza is in the oven.
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)That likely means quiet at least until the admins return from their holiday break.
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)until he stitches a sock together.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)On the Road
(20,783 posts)By that logic, a man not wanting to date or have sex with another man who has had gender-reassignment surgery qualifies as bigotry and homophobic.
Absolutely unbelievable.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)I will make it very simple:
There are women and man who are born with a genetic conditions that can manifest itself in part as 'wrong' genitalia and/or other issues like lack or over-abundance of specific hormons.
Females with this genetic conditions might have male sexual organs, could lack breast development, etc. In this case SRS can be performed to correct the genitalia problem. Other problems are corrected with hormonal therapy.
These women are no different from women who are born without this genetic condition. They are women, not man. There is no difference between us when it comes to self-identifying as females.
The same applies to males who are born with a genetic condition that manifests itself as 'wrong' genitalia.
To imply that somehow these man and women are 'fake' or 'not natural' is a homophobic bigotry at it's worst. This is no different than saying that gay chose to be gay. It can be excused once, assuming one was completely ignorant on the subject.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)as a matter of social convention.
As far as the rest of it, I'm just going to back off because you're personally involved in a way I didn't realize.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Do you even realise how bigoted you sound?
As it comes to me, you assumed that I must be 'one of them man who had their dick cut off', or you wouldn't have wrote what you did.
I am guessing (based on your post) that you simply can not imagine that a 'naturally born' woman will say that she doesn't see any difference between herself and a woman born with a wrong set of sexual organs.
Well, I don't see any difference between myself and a transwoman. We are both naturally born women. To think otherwise is homophobic to boot.
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)You have great endurance to be able to deal with them this way.
to you and thank you.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)cinnabonbon
(860 posts)You did a great job explaining.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Thank you for the clarification of a somewhat confusing anatomical phenomenon. I had been very confused about these issues until recently, when I took the time to research.
It must be emotionally devastating to be trapped by biology in this way. My absolute respect and support for those that have to deal with the burden. I'm very glad that we've evolved to the point that we can recognize the condition and that medical solutions are possible.
I also absolutely agree with the last paragraph in your post. Most sincerely, thanks for your input.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)in offensive ways and not caring who you offend could very well be interpreted as transphobic or homophobic.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Every blond in the world could have had their delicate sensibilities trampled on.
News flash:
Personal preferences in dating partners isn't bigotry
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)your 'joke' in a thread that was talking about transwomen.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)And I certainly didn't say anything about transgendered women vs women that would differentiate the two
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)all you like
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Your post was clearly homophobic and was hidden. Rightfully so.
Keep digging.
Response to idwiyo (Reply #195)
Post removed
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)More precise:
Are you implying that you will not date 'anyone' with 'fake' breasts/vaginas/etc because they are cacophobic and you are against cacophobia?
Inventive. Keep digging.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)I don't think you are too far off... His prior post intimated gay and bisexual men were anti woman.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)boston bean
(36,931 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Yeah. That's it. Or something along those lines.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Texasgal
(17,240 posts)Your post was a well deserved HIDE!
Disgusting.
Learn from it.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Texasgal
(17,240 posts)and you know it.
Take your hide and learn from it. It's offensive period.
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)But crassly describing gender reassignment surgery as being fake - which is literally, for many trans* women, life saving surgery - is bigoted and offensive. That you don't understand it - and are still defending it - is even more troubling that that you said it in the first place, from my perspective.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)rules that go into effect post January 6th.
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)It will be 3 months from Dec 15 (the date the 5th post was hidden) - so closer to 2 months. Once that post drops off the transparency page, he can post again. Assuming he is still with us.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Was part of the process.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)And there are women who get vaginal reconstruction because of vanity too
Perhaps if you took some time to think about what's being said you might not be so easily offended
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Is performed on the transgendered
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)nothing more than plastic surgery. Bigotry pure and simple.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Woman would get plastic surgery unless she had been born a man.
In spite of the fact that we have a booming plastic surgery industry used by millions of people who aren't changing their sex you decided it had to be ONLY about the transgendered.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)It's pretty clear who that applies to.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)You should read more
Vaginal rejuvenation is the other name it goes by
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)You're really convincing. Here's a word of advice. When you make a mistake, reflect on it, admit it, and move on. Don't dig deeper. Your post was in a thread on transgendered people. Everyone knew what you were saying which is why it was hidden. You've gotten away with a lot since you've joined because you've gone after feminists, who are an easy target around here. I think you'll find far less tolerance for this type of behavior.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Most people were aware of the booming plastic surgery industry used by a lot of women in this country
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)According to you people have plastic surgery is to create things like 'fake' breasts, and 'fake' vaginas. Hence according to you transwomen are 'fake' because they had 'plastic surgery'.
Homophobia at it's worst.
Keep digging.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I didn't say so you can be offended.
I get it
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)You made it worse by trying to backpedal.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Some people are too overly sensitive to get it.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)It was and is a homophobic statement.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Sooo how could it be homophobic?
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Means something different to you
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Neither does not dating women with fake boobs
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)uppityperson
(116,020 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)declared you a bigoted troll...please don't come back. Ever.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,848 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)it was a troll and of course they proved it within the first minute of being on DU.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,848 posts)so easily offended". It's definitely trollish.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Fake teeth, fake hair, fake boobs and fake VAGINA in a thread about transgendered women.....doesn't take a fucking Einstein to figure out what you were saying.
Now had you simply said that you didn't think you would want to date a transgendered woman- without your 'joke' -people wouldn't be jumping your shit right now.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)In understanding it
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Whatever you say, dearie.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Especially when you try and twist it to mean a specific group
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)At least that will keep him quiet until they return to the boards after their holiday breaks.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
The word you should be using is anticacophobia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4248197
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
this guy is trolling this entire thread. cacophobia is a fear of ugly people, not sure what the anti is for. but please read his postings. mirt needs to see this. he also implied above the gay and bisexual males were anti women.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:57 PM, and the Jury voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Given his/her high post number, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and consider this an attempt at satire.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Jeopardy for $500 - What is TRIM spelled backwards?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't see any reason to hide the post, so I vote KEEP IT.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: After reading many of the earlier posts by this person, it seems clear that he signed up with the purpose of being disruptive. Send this one on to Skinner and let the Administrators deal with him. BS has been here a month too long already.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Troll!!!
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)Hadn't noticed the initials.
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)At a minimum until the admins are back from their holiday breaks, since this hide triggered the automatic "flagged for review."
Rex
(65,616 posts)Looks like someone was paying attention.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)A lot of people have no sense of humor due to oversensitivity
If I said I wouldn't date a one legged Somali pirate, there would be someone who claimed I hated handicapped black men
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)When they feel need to be outraged for no reason at all
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)It will be remembered and addressed. Behave!
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)It really was a joke
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)uppityperson
(116,020 posts)... If you have five hidden posts showing on your Transparency page (a 90-day period), then you will be temporarily unable to post. In order to regain your ability to post, you will need to wait until the oldest post of the five is more than 90 days old and "falls off" of your record. At that point you will only have four posts showing on your Transparency page, and you will regain your ability to post.
Due to a fluke of scheduling, that new policy was supposed to go into effect on December 25, Christmas Day. However, because the DU Administrators do not wish to spend our holiday break fixing the inevitable bugs, we have decided to push back the launch date.
The new launch date is Monday January 6, 2014.
So as of Jan 6, you will not be able to post until March 3? Is this a flameout now, going out in a flame of "glory"?
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I make posts and there are people who get offended.
I've seen posts far worse than what I've made allowed to stand...it doesn't make my transgressions worse.
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)and here posting numerous times defending that nasty statement? You can't help yourself? Oh.
Rather than understanding the offensiveness and apologizing, someone is holding your hands to the keyboard making you continue to defend it as well as write it in the first place. Gotcha.
As I said, flameout.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Were the transgendered...
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)call the police for you?
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Some people live to be offended
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)uppityperson
(116,020 posts)forcing you to defend what was offensive rather than simply saying "I am sorry"? What was your address again as the police will want it?
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I made a joke.
Besides, I can't be homophobic...some of my best friends are people
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The outrage brigade thrives on attention. Deny it and they buzz off. One thing the past week or so has been excellent for is getting the eternally humorless to self-identify.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:07 PM - Edit history (1)
this flagged for review troll.
Update: PPR'd troll.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Perhaps you should be flagged for review as well.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Good luck with that.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Of course, I didn't see it myself, but I am assured that nothing is funny, ever. This is my face of utmost gravity. >:-|
Edit: *plonk*
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)of a banned bigoted troll.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)But I don't think I can find a buyer. Honestly, who uses torches in this day and age? I might just drop it off at the Goodwill.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Pitchfork selection is a such a tedious affair, but one must choose carefully in order that it complement the ensemble, yet not dominate it!
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I thought it touched up my devil-may-care attitude and tendency to lampoon those who take themselves too seriously. Ah well, can't win 'em all. I suppose it's true, absolutely nothing is funny, ever. I shall try to adopt an appropriately grave mien.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)"nothing is funny, ever"
&
"everything is a big fucking joke."
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Well, we're just spoiled for choice!
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)BTW, We both know you didn't put me on ignore.
Just in case you delete your post:
251. I'm sure it was an utter outrage.
Of course, I didn't see it myself, but I am assured that nothing is funny, ever. This is my face of utmost gravity. >:-|
Edit: *plonk*
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I've noticed an odd correlation... those who often use the petulance term 'outrage brigade' are often the ones who rationalize the irrational, and defend both vulgarity and intolerance merely as wit.
Though I'm sure you would allege otherwise, and further justify your own use of it as both mature and sincere.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Though another supposition would be that the "outrage brigade" merely derive satisfaction from being outraged and need a good lampooning every now and again. But let us cogitate upon this, for I purport to be naught but mature and sincere at all times!
Amaril
(1,267 posts)......begs the question of who truly comprise the "outrage brigade"............
a) Those who find blatantly racist/sexist/homophobic "jokes" to be offensive, or
b) Those who are offended that someone is offended by something offensive?
Cogitate on that for a bit.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But no, go ahead and double down and play the victim.
ETA: Or don't. Too bad, so sad.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)But so much of my own humor depends on sounding absolutely serious. People would blow a gasket.
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)Not really
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine "uptight" is quite often used in order to better validate and justify our vulgarity, our disrespect, and our petulance to others.
(Insert rationalization here)
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Do you hate gay people? Do you support discrimination against them? Do you believe their love is the same as fucking an armadillo?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:22 PM - Edit history (1)
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)about men being transphobic if they won't date trans people.
To me it doesn't matter whether it's race, sexual orientation, tattoos or hair color, you can't be held accountable for a subconscious desire.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Gee, I kind of thought the whole part of dating was getting to know someone that you are attracted to, and can form a bond with. If a White/Black/Straight/Bi/Trans/Gay person isn't doing it for you, it probably has nothing to do with those factors. It probably has to do with the fact that you aren't attracted to them.
Let's not over think this, folks.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Whatever you are thinking or what your intentions are, it looks really bad and will rightfully offend a lot of people here. I strongly recommend a self delete.
too many people on DU actively looking for things to be offended by.
Iggo
(49,927 posts)So there you go.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)boston bean
(36,931 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)No. Bemused is more like it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Many people have to live their lives dealing with stupid shit like your OP. They come to DU expecting not to have to deal with it here. It's a reasonable expectation.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Much as there are too many people on DU actively attempting and defending things that are intended to be offensive.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other (insert distinction without a difference here)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)if not worse. It feels like shaming people that won't date them because of whatever perceived "hangup" or identity they have, instead of the fact that not everyone is going to want to be with everyone that is attracted to them. It's not racist to not be attracted to every Tom, Dick and Melinda that comes on to you, nor is it homophobic to not be attracted to every Tracy, Willie and Shannon that hist on you, either.
You are attracted to what you are attracted to. If the person you are chasing doesn't find you to be in that category, well, stay calm. It might not be your race, sexuality, or even your looks. You might just have an awful personality. Feel better?
Edit: Didn't mean this for you Pinto bean. Replied in the wrong place. Meant to reply to the comment under yours.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I didn't go into that other thread, based on the title. Obvious flame bait.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just peeped in there and left.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I only refrained from commenting in it because I wanted to make sure I was jury-eligible.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)His duty by giving the perpetually offended something to ne offended about...taking onefor the team.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Why make a new thread about it?
Are we going to see a dozen threads now about race, religion, sex, etc etc
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that the holidays have left some with little to do but stir the pot. Now I don't particularly stir that pot, I just go ahead and flush it because I don't like to let it hang around, but some like to stir in it.
Then they wonder why they can't get dates.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)which other DU members are saying offend them.
In other words, you are basically coming here to a progressive, liberal board and telling us all to get over it, which - as a smug presumably heterosexual (white?) male - is easy for you to say.
I don't appreciate the obvious asshole-ishness of why you were motivated to start this thread - this is not 4chan or Free Republic.
Response to closeupready (Reply #25)
Blanket Statements This message was self-deleted by its author.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I don't think he ever will.
The jury went 0-6 on the OP. I wasn't the first alerter, so I don't have any comments.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)huh? it's hard to keep track these days...
Blanket Statements
(556 posts)I see that feminists are now making themselves the victims of your post
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)Is that we can see the poutrage goes beyond objections to feminism.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)They came for the radical feminists, but I wasn't a radical feminist, they came for the feminists, but I wasn't a feminist, they came for the LBGT people, but I wasn't LGBT . . . . .
boston bean
(36,931 posts)showing the cards.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)...Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me, I said
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow.
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
You set off a earworm in me.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...not dating someone you would otherwise be attracted to purely and solely because of genitalia, and not dating someone you wouldn't be attracted to in the first place.
Completely understandable, getting the two confused. I know I have difficulty telling the difference between 'like, but am going to reject for the hell of it' and 'dont like at all'. They're SO similar, after all.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)What would the motivation behind a post like this be?
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...to repost something that another poster put in the Transphobic thread. Apparently it needed repeating for those of us who weren't edified the first time.
Again, that's my interpretation though.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)'joke' came right out with that charming sentiment.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)I am trying to figure where you stand.
Do you understand that there is no difference between me, a woman who was born with all female parts present, and a woman who was born with genetic problem that manifested itself in part as wrong genitalia? We are women, both of us. Both are naturally born women. One of us has a genetic problem that requires hormonal treatments and corrective surgery. That's the only difference between us. Nothing else.
If that is what you believe, than why the hell would you draw a parallel between dating a woman and dating a gay man?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)... someone may want to only date women who can procreate because of a desire to father children with his partner. That is one case where a man may not wish to have a relationship with a transgender female or other female that is not fertile.
A dating preference is not bigotry.
I have no opinion on the other thread, because I haven't read it.
But having a belief that someone is -phobic because of who they are attracted to or who they want to date is ridiculous.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)There are things like surrogacy if you absolutely must have your own genetic replicant.
Are you asking any of your potential dates for the proof of fertility before you even take them on the date?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)But if a man decides to end a relationship when he finds out the woman he is dating is transgender or infertile, it doesn't make him a bigot.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)a bigot.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tobin S.
(10,420 posts)The OP seems to be implying that just being a straight male makes you homophobic in the eyes of some of the homosexual people here. The question was rhetorical and sardonic.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)There is another OP that suggest those who will not date transgender people are Transphobic.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)It is my issue.
I am a large, masculine, straight male and I notice that I have that effect on some gay men. I do not take that personally and I try to make them feel comfortable. My wife and I have a lot of gay acquaintances.
I think it might go back to men who may have a similar appearance and mannerisms as I do being abusive to our gay friends in the past. I would feel a little unnerved by a person who looked like that as well.
Soundman
(297 posts)That is an interesting statement.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Homophobes can be violent and aggressive whilst asserting their masculinity.
I'm a straight guy. I've been hit on by gay men. I was never offended by it, and certainly didn't feel threatened. I assumed it was a compliment and treated it as such.
None of the gay men I knew were aggressive or creepy about their interest nor did they consider my (polite) rejection to be offensive.
I'm sorry you have to feel unsafe and hope you haven't had any bad experiences.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)If you're only attracted to girls, that's fine, that's just how you're wired.
What would make you a homophobe (or not) is how you treat people who are gay and how you vote on issues that affect them.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Probably many things.
Better apologize now, before all Hell breaks loose.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If you don't know otherwise, and have to ask, or are worried you might be... I'd say... YEP.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Because without any context this makes you look like a raging a-hole.
Even with context it isn't that funny.
JI7
(93,616 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)he's posted. So I think in that light, yes, he is a huge homophobe.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Stupid, pointless, divisive thread.
Trash.
liberalmuse
(18,881 posts)...kind of indicates that you are. Men secure in their own sexuality don't lament about this issue.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)
Skittles
(171,713 posts)but asking this stupid question certainly makes you moronic
Skittles
(171,713 posts)a FACT
woolldog
(8,791 posts)and one that I don't care a whit about, except to the extent that it amuses me.
Skittles
(171,713 posts)DONE HERE
yep I'm whining.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Totally cool, as it were - nothing but a little light laughter, ha ha, look at the (insert group here) with their silly little outrages!
"Hey, guys, bros, check out these (insert plural epithet here). They've all got their panties in a bunch." Ha ha ha. "Oh, I'm gonna make 'em howl now. Watch this, bros!"
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
Nice guy, this woolldog.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)I said I was bemused by that thread (namely, the idea that not dating a transperson makes one transphobic), which is very different than "amused"
I'm also not making fun of anyone or any group. Anyone who believes that either hasn't read my posts or is projecting a lot of "stuff" onto them.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)More than simply Skittle's opinion... it's shared. Regardless of whether we petulantly trivialize those opinions by calling them amusing or actually examine.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)you sound like a jerk, frankly. It's a stupid question.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Personally I've found the responses to my question informative. And I've learned a lot.
Remember, there's no such thing as a stupid question.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)teacher was lying to you. Grow up.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)was Miss Reilly lying to me.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Somewhere down the line here you happened upon an argument that seemed to imply that if you are straight, you are homophobic, or worse. Is that right? Did that happen?
I've seen people declare that if you don't date a person of a different race, you are racist.
I've seen people declare that a rape suspect should be presumed guilty.
I've seen people declare that white people are automatically racist. The irony of their accusations was lost on them.
Am I close? Is your OP a reaction to an extreme accusation directed toward you, or one that you witnessed? Strongly implied, probably, rather than stated bluntly?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)but nothing directed at me personally. I was taking the logic of an OP I read and applying it in a different context.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)and lack any empathy whatsoever.
Or perhaps merely disingenuous.
In either case, you should post an apology to the community and delete your OP.
Seriously, this is extremely offensive.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)A straight man is a man who does not date men, but women. Thus, if you dated men you'd not be a straight man. Mutually exclusive. If you date men, you are gay or bisexual. Thus if you are straight, which is your contention, then of course you date only women and not men.
So your homophobia is something only you'd know about, it's an inner thing, your actions however are more idiotic and strained, lacking in basic language skills or affecting that lack as a way to make a daft, redundant and utterly stupid question. What your motives are I don't know. The actions are self defining.
Rex
(65,616 posts)To be a straight male that doesn't date other males? No doubt I will get no answer or elaboration by the OP.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)That was the point.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If you know the answer, what does it mean to ask a question you already know the answer to?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)If not, you are not a homophobe.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,812 posts)Brought this bigoted troll out of the woodwork:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=310167&sub=trans
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not enough information to go on there.
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)What is your attitude about people of the same sex dating and/or marrying or living together common law?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)if you are a homophobe?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)aren't attracted to me in any romantic or intimate way and the females I'm similarly not attracted to in any physical way. It doesn't make my gay mates heterophobic because they don't want to date me. I have taken them as my "date" for past major functions because we enjoy each others friendship and company. We were safe dates for each other.
I don't think a man who doesn't want to date a transgender is transphobic. The straight man would have difficulty with sexual intimacy when and if the time came so they would just be setting them self up for frustration/disappointment.
I have met guys who don't have close female friends because to them you are either dating and in a close intimate relationship with a woman or nothing at all. Lots of variance to people's comfort zones.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)And pretty much my POV. Thanks.
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)with that shitty attitude you just displayed, no less, it means you probably are.
A straight male who does not date men is not always homophobic. There is no correlation.
A straight male who does not date men and feels the need to come here with your shitty ass attitude about it, usually is.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)the point flew right over your head. whooosh!
The reply of this poster flew so high over your head that it's now in orbit. Whooosh!
woolldog
(8,791 posts)It simply reiterated what's been said already by those who didn't understand the thread the OP was referring to.
NealK
(7,159 posts)You're just a poor misunderstood guy and everybody else is wrong.
I see a little silhouette-o of a man
Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)If you have that kind of attitude about it, then you most likely are homophobic, or at the very least resent GLBT people, which might as well be the same thing.
NealK
(7,159 posts)And I was generous when I said that your point flew so high over his head that it's now in orbit. It now have reached the Andromeda Galaxy. Whooosh!
woolldog
(8,791 posts)NealK
(7,159 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Judging from the question? Probably not, but judging from the posts of yours I've seen over the past week or two...? Probably yes.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Oh really?
I haven't posted on any topics with respect to sexuality (other than this one which was posted yesterday) in the past 90 days.
My post topics in the last 90 days:
DU guy who was going to be homeless
The Indian diplomat kerfuffle
Jameis Winston topic
And an OP on learning programming.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018537816
So you are completely full of crap.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)But no, you are not a homophobe.
You are a heterosexual male who is attracted to and I assume has sex with women.
What would make you a homophobe is if you stated
(a) Homosexuality is a "choice" and prohibited by "God" in the Old Testament
(b) Claimed homos were destroying "traditional marriage" (failed at 56% divorce rate)
(c) Claimed homos were responsible for tornados, hurricanes, AIDS and Miley Cyrus
"Homophobia" is when you hare an inherent, uncontrollable disease that allows you to accept all persons as persons of value. It is when you rant and rave that homos will destroy your marriage and the known world.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Congratulations, you've breached a whole new realm of stupidity...
NealK
(7,159 posts)Totally agree with you.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)NealK
(7,159 posts)This thread is popcorn worthy.
Deep13
(39,157 posts)...I can only respond by asking, I don't know, are you a homophobe?
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)That's the ONLY reason one would ask the question you did. There is no other reason for a anyone to draw a parallel between gay men and transwomen.
I tried to explain elsewhere in this post and I will repeat it here:
- transwomen are WOMEN. They were born as WOMEN, just like me.
- transmen are MEN. They were born MEN, just like you.
What I said above is a scientifically proven fact.
Below is a link to a set of very informative articles, please do read them if you are honestly confused. If you have honest questions, ask. I will be happy to explain as long as you honestly want to learn.
World Health Organisation
Genomic resource centre
Gender and Genetics
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/
Page 2:
Genetic Components of Sex and Gender
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
woolldog
(8,791 posts)No, I don't. I absolutely don't believe that. I sincerely apologize if anything I said caused you or anyone else offense. That was not my intention.
You're reading something into my question that isn't there. I could have just as easily asked (and probably should've asked instead because it wouldn't have been such a distraction) whether a gay man who doesn't date women is a heterophobe.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)if you have to ask :-P If you were called a homophobe, I doubt it was for being a straight male.
