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In an interview on CNBC on Monday, Home Depot founder and devout Catholic Ken Langone said that the Popes statements about capitalism have left many potential capitalist benefactors wary of donating to the Church or its fundraising projects.
According to Langone, an anonymous, potential seven-figure donor for the Churchs restoration of St. Patricks Cathedral is concerned that the Popes criticism of capitalism are exclusionary, especially his statements about the culture of prosperity leading to the wealthy being incapable of feeling compassion for the poor.
Langone said hes raised this issue with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who yesterday praised Pope Francis for shattering the caricature of the Church.
Ive told the Cardinal, Langone said, Your Eminence, this is one more hurdle I hope we dont have to deal with. You want to be careful about generalities. Rich people in one country dont act the same as rich people in another country.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/30/home-depot-founder-worries-pope-francis-neither-loves-or-understands-rich-americans/
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)I got a room reserved for you dickhead..........
Nay
(12,051 posts)order to follow Christ, you must give up riches, attachments to family, etc. It's right there in their so-called Holy Book, but they never go read those passages.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Your Eminence, this is one more hurdle I hope we dont have to deal with."
In-n-Out
(35 posts)So, even when the head of their faith criticizes their un-jesus practices, instead of reflecting, and repenting, they take offense.
Looks like Matthew knew exactly what he was talking about.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)while losing his soul ? If you seek the kingdom of God, then
go sell everything you own, take up your cross and follow me.
Most devout Catholics would be familiar with and, at least,
pretend to respect Jesus' advice.
I think that the rich people of America are low on the Pope's
priority list, and that he won't lose any sleep worrying about
their plight of being misunderstood.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)rich in the impoverishment of the poor. This Pope has been through disaster economics in his nation and now he is facing it in the world. I admire his stand on economics.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)''You want to be careful about generalities. Rich people in one country dont act the same as rich people in another country.
I've got data that proves that statement false.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)He's angry he can't *buy* the pope?
"devout catholic"
Nay
(12,051 posts)be too bad if something happened to it."
He's telling the Pope that contributions from rich people will dry up if the Pope doesn't kiss their asses as usual.
Chrom
(191 posts)I REALLY hope the Pope responds to this...
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I guess he's got something to trump your filthy lucre. He can sell the Catholic/Vatican treasures for 100 years and still not run out of money or need to come grubbing for your stinking riches earned by treating workers like shit.
Go fuck yourself, asshole.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Aside from republicans of course,
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I do believe I know where they get their wooden beams from. They can pick them out of their own eyes.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)there is nothing you can do with it that truly washes your hands clean. Giving it away is better than keeping it, but not ever as good as not taking it in the first place.
This is the underlying corruption of the charity model that exists in a great many Churches. I grew up in a Church where the congregation included many nuclear weapons design engineers. They gave generously and then seemed to feel better about going back to the office on Monday. I quit and became an atheist for a decade or so. I could not morally contribute to or participate in anything that made weapons designers feel better about their craft.
It is not different here. If these people obtained their wealth through means that they feel are morally just, then nothing the Pope might say should offend them. It is not the Pope who causes them to feel "excluded". It is that he has shown a light on the morally suspect ways they are gaining wealth. It is not that the things they are doing become less moral because the Pope speaks about them, it is that the lack of moral content of their actions becomes a bit more visible. They aren't doing anything different, people are just looking.
If you are not comfortable doing what you do in public and to the public if people are watching, select something else.
JHB
(37,160 posts)Awww, Did the mean ol' pope make Kenny sad?
Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)I can see them being foolish and getting their information from another source that twist what the pope said, but if you read it from the original source it is consistent with the words of Christ.
So many people with faith are strange to me, you believe this all powerful being knows everything you do and is going to judge you and even gives you a list of things you should and shouldn't do and yet they don't really know,care or follow what his son said, they do the exact opposite and bare false witness against him. Judging, disliking and stereotyping people for their skin color, throwing stones, killing, stealing, attacking the poor, taking from the elderly to give tax cuts to the rich, hording wealth. Do they really think Christ is like this? did they not read the new testament?
It makes me wonder how many Christians actually even have faith, surely if they did they would at least read and try to understand the very simple things Christ said. Here is a clue to any freeper reading this, it wasn't shitting on the poor or charging them money they will never have for health care.
One of my favorite stories was when Jesus said the poor woman who gave a couple of pennies gave the most, the rich that donated a lot of money got angry at this and called bullshit but Jesus told them she gave the most because it was all she had, i don't know any conservative that understands this story and definitely not this home depot guy.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)The difference here is that Ken Langone is so incredibly rich that his guilty feelings and wish to be told "oh no, he didn't mean you" get broadcast on TV and made into a 'news' story, rather than being a conversation in the car on the way home from church.
kydo
(2,679 posts)Unfortunately, Christianity in the US became delusional around 1620 when this group of English Calvinists, set up camp. Ever since then this Christian idea morphed into what conservatives in the US label as Christian no matter your domination. Its this mixture of Calvinism and Capitalism that has created this US version of Christianity. Its a messed up combo that frankly is more about justifying hate and exclusion rather then love and inclusion.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Excellent post and points. I don't think a lot of Christians even understand how far off US Christianity is. It's why we liberals will look in astonishment at Republican Christians cutting food stamps and unemployment benefits and wonder how they can call themselves Christian. But they aren't following THAT Christianity. They are following a different thing altogether, where even actively harming the poor is fine.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I've noticed this strange duality all the more since I moved to the bible belt area of the country. After knowing people long enough I finally got to find out how this can be: That is, claiming to be good christians ( and by extension, good people ) yet act selfishly, rudely, or downright hateful to others. The most common thread I've gleaned from talking with people is that how you act on earth doesn't really count for much to them. They say that if they do bad things, it's that they just have faults, as most humans do, and that the only thing, to them, that makes a person a "good christian" is the absolute belief in, or faith in, their god.
To them, it's not "Faith and works", it's just faith alone.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)then you'd know Francis' message had really got through. The article talks about the "legendary generosity of the Catholic Church in the United States", but if that, and the 'more Americans give' figures include $180 million for one example of Catholic architecture, then it's not about charity, it's about bling.
think
(11,641 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)now in NYC a great medical institution was renamed NYU Langone Medical Center:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYU_Langone_Medical_Center
And then there's the Koch Brothers/Lincoln Center:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)This is the type of Christian that gives the church a bad name. He views the Catholic church as a big business -- which isn't entirely inaccurate -- that sells front row seats in heaven to the largest contributors.
Recently, I took my youngest daughter and her boyfriend out to eat. When we left, a "stubble-bum" approached me, and asked for a quarter. I gave him the last $10 in my pocket. The kids asked me why I did that? I asked if they had gone to church earlier that day? They had. I said that Jesus said what you do to the least, you do to him. And that is literal: that man was Jesus in disguise.
Her boyfriend comes from a conservative home. I'm not fond of his parents. But he's a good kid, and he seems to be opening his mind, as he hangs out with me. He understood what I was saying, in a way that I suspect he doesn't have the opportunity to in his church.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)stfu
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)and now he subtly threatens "his" own church. Entitled prick.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Chrom
(191 posts)and they don't want to either
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)She's a great poster but this has driven my crazy over the many years she's done this.
Good DUers check for dupes.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)Just ignore the millions he has donated to politicians who would do everything in their power to further dismantle the social safety net.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Imagine being criticized for amassing great wealth (obscene wealth) ... while the lazy slackers (read low wage workers) go homeless and hungry.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Next thing you know it's walking minding its own business and BOOM! Falls down an elevator shaft landing on a pit of vipers laced with cyanide and the ebola virus. Know what I mean?....... It happens. Donations get clumsy''
rurallib
(62,415 posts)Langone pressed that particular button for a reason.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Wasn't their Jesus a rich white American?
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)"Home Depot founder and devout Catholic Ken Langone said that the Popes statements about capitalism have left many potential capitalist benefactors wary of donating to the Church"
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Cry me a river you whiny, spoiled brat!
-Laelth
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... he shits gold bricks!