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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)So, no. I would not support an effort to weaken free speech rights.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)And would the definition change based on which party is in power? Very, very dangerous territory. And no result would ever be worth the inherent danger.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)SCUBANOW
(92 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,300 posts)Way too dangerous
wandy
(3,539 posts)Just like what is offensive to some may not be offensive to others.
Yes I remember "If you can't say any thing nice............."
And if you go say something offensive you might find there are consequences.
So be it.
But that isn't the point.
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.
You run you're mouth, you take you're chances.
EOD
FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)I personally get to decide what is "hate speech." I don't trust anyone else with that decision. I have no doubt that it would quickly turn into a prohibition against blasphemy when the Pubs are in charge.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)If they tried this there would be blood in the streets.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,196 posts)n.o.t.
Jasana
(490 posts)Does that mean I'm against free speech? Sometimes I wonder. It's just that that man is so utterly vile.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)If not, then what you are doing is fully compatible with the First Amendment.
Jasana
(490 posts)After all, I wouldn't want to be arrested for declaring that Rush is a waste of human air space.
exboyfil
(17,912 posts)She proposed updating the U.S. constitution in one of her forum posts.
Justice Ginsburg recommended looking at the South African constitution instead of the U.S. for Egypt. Looking at the S.A. constitution, I cannot agree. Take a look at it sometime - it seems needlessly wordy and written for specific events/situations and will not stand the test of time. On the other hand the same could be said for the U.S. constitution (quartering troops??). The biggest thing about the U.S. constitution are those things that are now taken for granted that are not enshrined in it (for example judicial review).
A specific exception to free speech is a bad idea. I would think slander and libel laws should cover the more egregious examples. The marketplace of ideas also helps.
OutNow
(877 posts)Obviously we can't outlaw hate speech because the definition of hate speech is almost totally left to the prosecuting party, i.e. whoever is the in charge of the government at the time.
We have far too many examples: from Eugene B. Debs, to H. Rap Brown, to William Kunstler who were tried (and in many cases convicted) solely for what they said. It was called treasonous speech, or inflammatory speech or contemptible speech. Using any legal modification of the 1rst Amendment to its advantage, a government would label all of these examples "hate speech". And they would imprison them. Don't think so? Just ask Lynn Stewart.
H2O Man
(74,700 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)struggle4progress
(119,265 posts)to prosecute speech presenting a clear and present danger to peace and good order, as well as to prosecute incitement that actually leads to criminality under various theories, including conspiracy. Intimidation is also prosecutable. Moreover, defamatory accusations against sufficiently small groups of identifiable persons can produce civil liability as slander or libel
Aside from such exceptions, US cultural tradition generally aims to allow even unpleasant and idiotic speech
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Geez!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)could be banned?
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Atman
(31,464 posts)Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)And often just an attempt to paint opinions that someone else disagrees with as some sort of crime.
I have said it before, and I'll say it again, to me, there is no such thing as "hate speech".
Turbineguy
(38,056 posts)Hate speech is a choice that is better not made.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Opinions are strange things. I'd hate to how that would get twisted by the courts and by BOTH left and right wingers.
elleng
(134,572 posts)as problem will be in defining whether a particular 'speech' is hate speech.
Sorry, intentions good, implementing not so much.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,978 posts)MrScorpio
(73,689 posts)Even fucking racist hateful bigoted assholes have rights too.