Get your popcorn ready: Bill Nye the science guy to debate idiot Creation Museum founder Ken Ham

[HarveyDarkey]

Bill Nye, the popular TV scientist, put out a video last year indicating his opinion that teaching Creationism in schools wasn’t such a hot idea and might, you know, intellectually stunt the mental growth of the children subjected to such nonsense. Showing up for college with an Old Testament notion of how the universe and life in it came to exist, might, you know, put your kid a lil’ behind the curve…

In any case, Ken Ham, the moron who founded the Creation Museum in Petersburg, KY, challenged Bill Nye to a public debate and… Nye accepted! The debate is being touted in a message on the museum’s blog.

The February 4th event will ask “Is Creation A Viable Model of Origins?”

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/get_your_popcorn_ready_bill_nye_the_science_guy_to_debate_idiot_creation

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. I'd literally buy a ticket to see that!

[BlueStreak]

6. That will cost you $25

but it goes to a good charity (the Creation museum).

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2014/01/02/bill-nye-ken-ham-debate/

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. Well I wouldn't go THAT far!

I actually think it should have been on nuetral ground....and why Bill would do this knowing the charity that benefits...I hope Bill is demanding half to his favorite charity...

[busterbrown]

13. Watch out for the the gish gallop..

Right wingers use it all the time and usually get away with it. To stop one must pounce on the 1st lie and never let the debate continue until this 1st lie is settled.

[BlueStreak]

18. Unfortunately that is up to the moderator

A moderate friendly to the Gish Gallop will not allow Nye to go back to previous points.

Possibly the best technique is to call it out, by name, as the "Gish Gallop." Rather than trying to refute each point, he might be more effective by educating the audience about that deception technique -- especially considering that Gish made it famous DEBATING ABOUT "CREATIONISM."

If Nye can get that established, then the rest of the debate he can simply say "There you go again with the Gish Gallop."

[hrmjustin]

2. Go Bill Nye!

[Deep13]

3. Debates decide who is the better debater, not who is telling the truth.

To find the truth, one must uncover and examine evidence, not argue with idiots.

[HughBeaumont]

17. . . . and this is where creationists "win".

The fact that their views are validated by this sort of thing to begin with is reason enough for the tumble down Mount Dumbass to continue.

This helps Ken Ham moreso than it does Bill Nye.

[ZombieHorde]

20. I agree, but I also find debates very entertaining.

I sometimes rec threads because I really enjoyed reading a debate in one of its subthreads.

[BlueStreak]

4. "Standing our Ground". How subtle

This is the motto of that Museum' supporters now.
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2014/01/02/yes-the-debate-with-bill-nye-is-on/

They is right up there with Sarah Palin and her brochures that had the cross-hairs and implied that her supporters should kill their opponents.

Yes, God would be very proud of this bunch, I'm sure. Onward Christian Soldiers.

[Kablooie]

5. I'll bet it will be scientific facts vs personal attacks.

Since there are no facts to support creationism all they can do is what right wing balloon heads do everywhere, attack the person in an attempt to discredit him instead of arguing with points related to the topic at hand.

[longship]

8. At $25 a pop, held at the Creation Museum, who's going to benefit from the proceeds?

I would hope that it goes to a secular cause and not to Ken Ham's Noah's Ark adventure land.

Myself, if I were Nye, I would have told him, "Get fucking stuffed, Ham. You want to debate, try the science journal Nature."

I wouldn't get within a light year of this. It gives credibility to Ham and maligns your position. And whose CV will benefit most by this?

Big mistake, Bill.

[exboyfil]

9. Bill Nye is a popular entertainer

Who obviously knows a lot about science. Like me he has a Mechanical Engineering degree. I would prefer someone like Ken Miller who is a trained biologist.

Also the forum is wrong (at the Creation Museum).

[Cha]

12. Good point about the "quotes".

[Cha]

11. ..

Bill Nye

[napkinz]

14. Will Kirk Cameron be there?

Kirk Cameron Attempts to Out-Think Stephen Hawking and Fails Miserably





by Simone Sanner
December 28, 2013

Rocket scientist and world-renowned unparalleled genius Kirk Cameron – just ask him, he will agree – challenged Stephen Hawking in an interview with TMZ regarding the answers to life, the universe, and everything.

“Professor Hawking is heralded as the ‘genius of Britain’,” said Cameron, “Yet he believes in the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything and that life sprang from non-life.”

While even a five-year-old has some glimmer of a clue how chemicals come together to create amino acids, Cameron seems to have missed that lesson, however Cameron continued, “ (Hawking) says he knows there is no Heaven. John Lennon wasn’t sure. He said to pretend there’s no Heaven. That’s easy if you try. Then he said he hoped that someday we would join him.”

read more: http://aattp.org/kirk-cameron-attempts-to-out-think-stephen-hawking-and-fails-miserably/

[napkinz]

15. I want to see Kirk Cameron & Stephen Baldwin debate Bill Nye!

Are you ready for this! --->

[napkinz]

16. How would Bill Nye do on this exam?

Is Bill Nye "Smarter Than A 4th Grader"?

[spanone]

19. what is there to debate? and why at the 'creation' museum?

[napkinz]

21. From Mad Magazine ...

[Blue Owl]

22. He's debating Canned Ham?

[lindysalsagal]

23. dang.wish I could see that!

anyone know if Bill has ever taken on the fundies before?

[yuiyoshida]

24. Bill Nye would be better off debating Rodney MacKay...

[napkinz]

25. coming up on Hardball (Tweety is on vacation, BTW)

Subject is why fewer Republicans believe in evolution.


edit: Sam Stein debating Republican strategist Hogan Gidley, who starts out claiming "We are a CHRISTIAN nation."

[Vinnie From Indy]

26. If Ham could ever get God to do a 30 minute stand-up at the museum

he could make some serious money!

[bluestate10]

27. So, facts won't change the mind of a closed minded idiot. Nye is wasting his time. The mind

that he is trying to open is locked shut.

[spin]

28. If you read the Bible there are two stories of creation in Genesis. ...

Genesis creation narrative

The Genesis creation narrative is the creation myth of both Judaism and Christianity.[1] It is made up of two parts, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis. In the first part, Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 2:3, Elohim, the generic Hebrew word for God, creates the world in six days, then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day. God creates by spoken command ("Let there be...&quot , suggesting a comparison with a king, who has only to speak for things to happen,[2] and names the elements of the cosmos as he creates them, in keeping with the common ancient concept that things did not really exist until they had been named.[3]

In the second, Genesis 2:4–24 God, referred to by the personal name "Yahweh", shapes the first man from dust, places him in the Garden of Eden, and breathes his own breath into the man who thus becomes נֶפֶש nephesh, a living being; man shares nephesh with all creatures, but only of man is this life-giving act of God described.[4] The man names the animals, signifying his authority within God's creation, and God forms the first woman, whom the man names "Eve", from the man's body by taking one of the man's ribs.[5]

A common hypothesis among biblical scholars is that the first major comprehensive draft of the Pentateuch (the series of five books which begins with Genesis and ends with Deuteronomy) was composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BC (the Yahwist source) and that this was later expanded by other authors (the Priestly source) into a work very like the one we have today.[6] (In the creation narrative the two sources appear in reverse order: Genesis 1:1–2:3 is Priestly and Genesis 2:4–24 is Yahwistic).[7] Borrowing themes from Mesopotamian mythology, but adapting them to Israel's belief in one God,[8] the combined narrative is a critique of the Mesopotamian theology of creation: Genesis affirms monotheism and denies polytheism.[9] Robert Alter described the combined narrative as "compelling in its archetypal character, its adaptation of myth to monotheistic ends".[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative

Most Christians usually combine both stories into one and tend to ignore the obvious differences between the two.

I have actually read the Bible several times in my life and supplemented my reading with a good study guide that isn't afraid to discuss such differences. I have found the Bible to be an interesting book that contains a lot of wisdom on how to lead a good life and help others. I have never viewed it as a history book or a text on science.

[oberliner]

29. Big Mistake

Only person this helps is the Creation Museum guy.