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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf you were Edward Snowden and were offered a pardon or clemency by the US would you come home?
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ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)For obvious reasons. Hey, I watch Criminal Minds and I see the things that are promised to guys holed up in houses...
yurbud
(39,405 posts)to hide in until the dust settles.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I might not be thinking too clearly.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)they have been very aggressive in trying to protect the spying machine, they are not friendly to whistle blowers, to say the least.
I would wait until the next presidential administration, and then assess it.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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MIC PNAC et al run the country, and there's probably millions that consider him a traitor and whack him with no guilt whatsoever.
Besides - even IF any Administration COULD protect him - why bother?
Breaking it's promises and treaties for 200 years hasn't slowed down the USA's march on the Globe.
Why change now?
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you will no doubt enjoy the fact that if you just throw out a comment accusing someone of something, SOMEONE will ask you for proof. It helps curb false information and differentiates the site from FAUX type misinformation found on other sites and of course in the MSM.
Btw, I hope people like Snowden and Greenwald and Manning WILL make millions some day as they deserve it, unlike the criminals who collapsed the world's economies or the war mongers who I'm sure you agree, do not deserve the billions they have stolen by lying and corruption etc.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it was you were trying to imply.
What you linked to is a legitimate, LEGAL offer to someone who has proven themselves as a JOURNALIST. Same way people like Woodward and Bernstein earned any offers they received after THEIR coverage of momentous events during their time as journalists.
Greenwald has earned any offers he receives as a JOURNALIST. I hope he accepts it and I hope more progressive, truth tellers begin to finally have the opportunity to accurately report on real NEWS. The US Corporate MSM is not about 'news' as most people know by now.
You implied that Greenwald and Snowden were involved in some kind of nefarious money deal. Which is what I asked you to prove.
You provided me with a legitimate offer to an actual, real Journalist which has nothing to do with your implication.
Thanks, I didn't think there was any truth to it.
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yurbud
(39,405 posts)a matter of principle.
You would think they would applaud that the way they do making money by outsourcing, union-busting, cartel and monopoly forming, government contracts and subsidies, and outright fraud.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Same old, tired, jaded, no longer effective talking points.
They are collapsing as people are waking up to their scams. And the frustration is showing.
I feel very positive about the furture where we no longer accept dehumanizing phrases such as 'collateral damage' when innocent two year olds are murdered by WMDS. It must be frustrating for them to see how awake people all over the world are to their attempts to emotionally manipulate the population. It just isn't working anymore.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)One day I hear a buzz overhead... Then suddenly I'm Freedom Mist
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democratisphere
(17,235 posts)yet is spying on its own citizens, allies and 'friends'.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I doubt that will happen unless he's in custody. He will have to do some jail time if he wants to live in America again.
Hope he likes Russian food....
jschurchin
(1,456 posts)If he did, he would be "debriefed" by the CIA and somehow "mysteriously" fall and die.
"We are not sure exactly what happened, we are doing a complete investigation and will be issuing our report very soon."
FatBuddy
(376 posts)the US is a bad actor and terroristic threat
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Or that my computer would somehow become filled with kiddie porn.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Then I'd run to Ecuador and claim the U.S. won't let me leave.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Why do you think the US trapped Snowden in Russia?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And I bet there's no Amazon Prime in Russia.
However, I would make certain to get it in writing.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)... and fly straight to the US for my ticker tape parade.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)The reasons are self-evident to anyone with a functional brain.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And there would be plenty of money to be made.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Whistle Blower was treated by the US as opposed to Snowden's treatment so far.
Chelsea Manning described, during his 'trial' his treatment from the moment he was taken into custody by the SU. Airce he was confined to some kind of cage eg, eventually subjected to torture and kept in solitary for over a year denied access to the public even though that point he was not convicted of anything.
Snowden otoh, appears to be free and safe with the ability to speak freely to the public letting them ake up their own minds about the actions he took when he uncovered Crimes against the Constitution.
My mind is made up. He should not return for at least ten years and see if this country returns to respectinng the rule of law, puts the REAL criminals in jail and begins a new phase where we can start restoring Democracy and Constitutional Rights to the country.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Blowers? The US forced Snowden to remain in Russia, why do you think they did that?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)military laws ... so one should expect his situation to be different from that of Snowden.
The US did not send Snowden to Russia. He decided to go there on his own.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)should be investitgated. That did not happen. Why is that?
The US forced Snowden to remain in what was merely a stopover point. Why did they do that?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Not free by definition.
Since the OP posits clemency, that means he'd be freer here.
On every talk show, being lauded as hero by many, writing the book. No brainer for Snowy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)correct, that was not his free choice and even more proof that Whistle Blowers in the US are under threat of losing their freedoms while the crimes they report on are never investigated.
Having said that, he is far freer even though it was not his choice to be in Russia, that Chelsea Manning and all the other Whistle Blowers over the past decade who remained here, including those who played by the 'rules'.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He is forced to stay in Russia due to his own decisions. He would be here in a second cashing in should he get clemency.
Julian would be green with envy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)BobUp
(347 posts)pay me first, and I'll think about it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Lasher
(27,556 posts)I honestly don't know what I'd do in that case if I were Snowden.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)... Russia would probably not be my first choice, and don't know what other countries would accept my immigration/residency/work/citizenship/benefits and all that.
If it was possible to become British, that might be a nice choice. I could learn to hate Manchester United just like most of the Brits.
otohara
(24,135 posts)I'd come back here.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)No way! Stay in Russia until the US restorese his passport, WE forced him to remain in Russia, where he is being treated as a free person with the freedom to speak to the public, which, like Manning, he would be denied here untill the US resores his passport after which he can continue on his way to his original destination. Maybe in ten years or so after the criminals he and Manning exposed have been taken into custody and charged with the crimes they have committed, AFTER the US has restored the rule of law, ONLY THEN should he consider returning. The Right Wing lunatics who hate Whistle Blowers are a real threat to people like Snowden and Manning and Binney.