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pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:18 AM Mar 2012

Tweet from Scott Olsen

(X-post from Occupy Underground group)




Scott Olsen?@solsen230

40 grams of lead @ 270 feet/second - less than lethal? #O25 #OO #OPD | http://www.baycitizen.org/occupy-movement/story/lawyer-scott-olsen-was-hit-bean-bag/ http://pic.twitter.com/vT18MmHM



10:13 PM - 14 Mar 12via web





Scott's comment referred to this news that broke Wednesday:




Lawyer: Scott Olsen Was Hit by Beanbag Round

“It looks like one officer intentionally shot him,” Olsen's attorney says

By Zoe Corneli on March 14, 2012 - 5:02 p.m. PDT


Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen was hit in the head with a beanbag round during an Occupy Oakland protest last fall, his attorney told The Bay Citizen Wednesday. The shot fractured Olsen's skull.

The question of how Olsen was injured, and by whom, has been the subject of intense speculation and an ongoing police department investigation.

Mark Martel, Olsen’s attorney, said the Oakland Police Department had given him the information a couple of weeks ago, but had not stated explicitly whether it was an Oakland police officer who fired the round.

...


The Bay Citizen (http://s.tt/17nus)




Related story at DKos w/discussion of some legal issues:

Now We Know What Scott Olsen Was Shot With
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/15/1074549/-Now-We-Know-What-Scott-Olsen-Was-Shot-With-





Original post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12521311

Occupy Underground Group: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1252


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gateley

(62,683 posts)
1. How long do these investigations last, anyway? It should be pretty obvious on the
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:21 AM
Mar 2012

videos of what transpired.

Regardless, I pray he gets compensated, a GREAT job he loves, and most importantly, his health back.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
4. You're right on the attempted murder -- if you didn't read it at the link, check out the
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:37 AM
Mar 2012

Oakland PD rules about use of bean bags I just posted.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
3. Oakland Police Department Crowd Control Policy
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:35 AM
Mar 2012

(From the Kos piece pinboy3niner linked to in OP)

Oakland Police Department Crowd Control Policy (pdf)

Department Training Bulletins shall be used to advise members of current police techniques and procedures and shall constitute official policy.
2. Uses of Direct Fired Specialty Impact Less-Lethal Munitions (SIM).

Direct Fired SIM are less-lethal specialty impact weapons that are designed to be direct fired at a specific target, including but not limited to flexible batons ("bean bags&quot , and shall not be used for crowd management, crowd control or crowd dispersal during demonstrations or crowd events. Direct Fired SIM may never be used indiscriminately against a crowd or group of persons even if some members of the crowd or group are violent or disruptive.

a. Direct Fired SIM may be used against a specific individual who is engaging in conduct that poses an immediate threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury to himself or herself, officers, or the general public or who is engaging in substantial destruction of property which creates an imminent risk to the lives or safety of other persons. In such instances, Direct Fired SIM shall be used only when other means of arrest are unsafe and when the individual can be targeted without endangering other crowd members or bystanders (See Special Order No. 8135 enacted April 15, 2004.).

b. The use of Direct Fired SIM must cease when the violent or destructive actions cease. These weapons must not be used for the purpose of apprehension or to otherwise prevent escape unless escape would present a substantial risk of continued imminent threat to loss of life or serious bodily injury.

c. Members shall only deploy Direct Fired SIM during a demonstration or crowd event under the direction of a supervisor.

d. When circumstances permit, the supervisor on the scene shall make an attempt to accomplish the policing goal without the use of Direct Fired SIM as described above, and, if practical, an audible warning shall be given to the subject before deployment of the weapon.

e. Any person struck by a round shall be transported to a hospital for observation and any necessary treatment. Ambulance service, if required, shall be ordered per General Order I-4. First aid, when necessary, shall be administered per Training Bulletin III-K.

f. No member shall use Direct Fired SIM without formal training.

g. Direct Fired SIM shall not be used against a person who is under restraint.

h. Members shall not discharge a Direct Fired SIM at a person’s head, neck, throat, face, left armpit, spine, kidneys, or groin unless deadly force would be justified.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
5. Great addition, gateley, thanks. And in regard to 2e...
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:45 AM
Mar 2012
"e. Any person struck by a round shall be transported to a hospital for observation and any necessary treatment. Ambulance service, if required, shall be ordered per General Order I-4. First aid, when necessary, shall be administered per Training Bulletin III-K."



Police, Ambulances Stood Idle While Olsen Lay Wounded

County official warns Oakland still lacks emergency response plan to treat injured

By Matt Smith on November 1, 2011 - 8:53 p.m. PDT

...


Olsen, 24, was participating in protests on Oct. 25 when he was struck in the head by a projectile. Riot police stood within 20 yards of where he lay and ambulance crews waited on standby two blocks away. Yet Olsen received medical treatment only after protesters dragged him more than two blocks, put him into a car and drove him to Highland Hospital.

“I turned around and was yelling directly at the police: ‘I need help. This guy is hurt,’” said Claire Chadwick, a Berkeley canvasser who was the first to assist the motionless Olsen. “But none of them moved.”

...


The Bay Citizen (http://s.tt/13JcM)



gateley

(62,683 posts)
6. Unconscionable. I wonder if any of these officers feel any remorse after learning what
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:04 AM
Mar 2012

happened to him. They should be made to watch his interviews and see what they've done to me.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. OPD is stuck between a rock and a hard place
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:28 AM
Mar 2012

With all the evidence of the unlawful police assault on Scott and the withholding of medical assistance, there's no way they can put a good face on this. No matter how long they drag their feet on releasing the results of their 'investigation,' there's no way thay can justify what happened.

Even the wingnuts are not very sympathetic toward unprovoked assaults on veterans.

If I were OPD, I'd count my lucky stars that Scott survived...

gateley

(62,683 posts)
8. It might actually even be worse for them that he survived if he could get some coverage and
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:03 PM
Mar 2012

people were able to put a Person with the name.

I'm just glad he survived. He sure seems to have an incredible attitude (good and positive!) for having to live with his current health problems.

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