Where's the sex drive drug for women?

[Bennyboy]

There is no FDA-approved treatment for low female sexual desire

Flibanserin is a drug that showed positive results in clinical trials. The FDA has declined to approve this drug, The drug's promoters have appealed that decision

(CNN) -- For about a month, Barbara Gattuso felt at least 40 years younger.

Gattuso, 65, had enrolled in a clinical trial for a drug aimed at women who have low sexual desire. There is no treatment available in the United States for boosting the female sex drive, but women like Gattuso hoped that would change with this experimental medication, called flibanserin.

"It was amazing, absolutely amazing, and it just makes you feel whole," Gattuso said, recalling her feeling of taking this drug. "It makes you feel like a complete woman again."

Outside such experimental settings, there are no medications available in the United States for female hypoactive sexual desire disorder. That's the technical term for when women have a distressing lack or absence of sexual desire or fantasy. Up to one-third of adult women may experience it, according to a 2002 study.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/11/health/female-sex-drive-drug/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[B Calm]

1. Marijuana?

[In_The_Wind]

42. That's a good suggestion.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. that was my first thought...

if they marketed it as a female libido improver.....it would have been legalized years ago!

[MrMickeysMom]

227. Coming to a state not near you!

But, that's a good answer, me thinks!

No wonder it took this long …

[The Straight Story]

2. Just use tylenol, that should get rid of the headache. Duh.

[intaglio]

18. A disgusting and sexist joke

Abhorrent

You seem to glory in this sort of sick humour

For jurors numbers 4 and 6 I presume that "lame" jokes about coloured people and the disabled are fine with you as well. A foul display by a supposedly liberal board.

[tabasco]

64. Get a grip.

Your outrage meter seems to be malfunctioning.

[intaglio]

67. Malfunctioning?

Are you OK with "jokes that belittle other races or the disabled? If not why are you fine with jokes that belittle the normal humans called women?

Whose sense of what is right is malfunctioning? Mine or yours.

[intaglio]

117. As said, you do not have a future in comedy

and the "joke" referred to was not a joke (note the lack of quotes). Therefore It was necessary to indicate that the insult claimed to be a joke was not one

If I need to refer to some of you "comedic" posts I would similarly use quotes to indicate how unfunny they are.

[intaglio]

126. Temper, temper; and thanks

you have said clearly you are racist, prejudiced against the physically and mentally impaired and sexist to boot.

Why are you posting on DU again?

[intaglio]

132. I've seen funnier jokes in Christmas Crackers

As I said - don't give up the day job.

[maddezmom]

138. Here ya go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_cracker

My favorite part was wearing the paper crown!

[maddezmom]

150. LOL

Yes! I actually thing they had a scene with the Christmas crackers.

[tomm2thumbs]

210. who lights who?

Logistically it scares me.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

223. I think the tradition should be added to the

Festivus, Airing of the Grievances

I think that would be more of an incentive for good behavior to one's friends and family than any promise of end-year loot.

[FloridaJudy]

238. British thing

[intaglio]

68. So you are OK with sexist jokes

I'll ask again, would you support "jokes" that belittle other races or the disabled?

BTW 3-3 one juror chose not to comment

[intaglio]

70. Answer - are you ok with jokes that belittle those who are not in your favoured group

If you are why, are you posting on a liberal board?

If you refuse to answer I'll just assume that you know that you are prejudiced and are unwilling to do anything about it.

[intaglio]

103. You did not ask, you assumed they were 6-0 but I gave them 3-3

You still have not answered the question, just ignored it. Therefore I must assume that you do regard jokes about the disabled and the putative characteristics of other races or sexes are fine. If so you are a prejudiced man and should be posting on a board other than DU.

And - if you don't want me posting here, take it up with admin. Otherwise, tough.

[intaglio]

115. No, you have not in any way said if you regard jokes about races or the disabled

as being as acceptable and why, if such "jokes" are unacceptable, do you regard similar "jokes" about women fair game.

All you have done is havered and dodged.

I'll ask it in sequence - since you love numbers

1) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of other races acceptable?
2) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of disabled acceptable?

If you regard jokes such as those in (1) and (2) unacceptable

3) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of women acceptable.

Oh, asking a rhetorical question where you assume the answer is not requesting an answer. You asked a rhetorical question.

[intaglio]

140. You have admitted to laughing at other races the disabled and women

So by your own admission you are a racist and prejudiced against both the disabled and women. The fact you find the jokes funny is neither here nor there - you have a inescapable core of prejudice of which you cannot be bothered to rid yourself.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. No, see, if i was going to say those things i would actually SAY them.

But you get an "A" for effort, here, champ.

[intaglio]

154. You have said that you find the following acceptable

My question 1) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of other races acceptable?

Your reply 1) Depends on the joke

It does not matter what you think of the joke it is not in any way acceptable. By this answer you show yourself to be a racist.

My question 2) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of disabled acceptable?

Your reply 2) Depends on the joke

It does not matter that your opinion of the joke you have demonstrated yourself to be against the dissabled.

My question 3) Are jokes making assumptions about the activities of women acceptable.

Your reply 3) Depends on the joke

It does not matter what your opinion of the joke you have demonstrated yourself to be sexist.

[Warren DeMontague]

162. If you say so!

[polly7]

163. Are you reading this thread through a bad translator or something? nt.

[neverforget]

168. Very entertaining for sure!

[polly7]

169. Maybe I need to read it from the start.

I just skipped to a post a bit down from the OP. Because I'm more or less baffled here.[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[Hassin Bin Sober]

182. Hey have you had occasion to see Dark Star Orchestra?

(I figured this would be as good a place as any to ask you)

They are going to be three blocks from my house at the end of the month so I couldn't resist.

I feel funny going to see a knock off but they seem pretty good. I see Mickey has played at one of their fests and Donna has sat in with them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

191. Yeah. Been reading up on them. There was a bit of a kerfuffle over ....

.... Further swiping John Kadlecik from DSO and Rob what's his name (Eaton?) made some derogatory comments.

I didn't know about the UJB connection. We saw them a lot here in Chicago and down in Champaign.

I'll have to keep an eye out for Mickey. I saw Planet Drum at, IIRC, The Vic back in the day.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

194. Most definitely.

Yes, They still do Brew and View though I've never been to a movie there.

I can remember the shows but always confuse the venue - The Riv, The Vic, Metro - old theaters. The Aragon was a little different so I remember what I saw there.

I'm going to try and get some party favors and go Old School with some of the old gang. Nyuk Nyuk.

I even have the boyfriend well versed on The Dead. Been quizzing him the last couple months. He can get most songs on Sirius in about 10 notes. He says he listens to the Dead even when I'm NOT in the car.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

124. You tell us --

[Nuclear Unicorn]

139. "the coloured guy"???? wow

But I can tell the difference, which was Warren's point about the context of a joke.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

153. You could have called him

Mr. Little or by the character's name, "Bart" but you seemed determined to cast everything as an issue of hate. Whether it's an inability to think rationally on your part or you just want to gin-up fake outrage to make yourself feel better I can't tell but it's getting increasingly obvious that honest debate is beyond your ability.

I leave you with the last word as my husband is home now and I want to show him how much of a headache I don't have.

[Number23]

197. Your posts have to be the most bizarre things I've seen here in a LONG time

Oh, and what would you have had me call Mr Little? The N****r or N***o or Black feller or Kafir or Boy?

I am simply blown away.

[intaglio]

146. You live in the USA

I live in the UK.

[Scootaloo]

229. Ironically the poster's initial point is proven by the hides

Outright sexism? DU's totally cool with it!

Using racist words as an example? DU can't handle that shit.

Which is funny given how very tolerant DU usually is of racism against black people. I guess hate's okay so long as one minds their vocabulary.

[RainDog]

231. no it doesn't.

these hides do not prove the initial point - there was no point, except in that person's head.

itaglio put words in people's mouths. warren said humor depends upon context.

italgio's posts were hidden because they were personal attacks and, honestly, weird. it seems like trollish behavior to put words in people's mouths and then insult them for things they never said.

Can you show me where DU has said it's okay to hate black people? Or where people on DU have said they hate black people, or that it's acceptable for others to hate black people?

I would like to know who says those things.

Otherwise, I have to assume you're picking up the slack for Intaglio and putting words in others mouths and imputing attributes to them that they don't have.

[Scootaloo]

233. Assume as you like

I invite you to keep your eyes peeled on threads pertaining to the following classes of people

- Women
- Blacks (or Africans)
- Roma
- Arabs
- Native Americans
- Mormons
- Muslims

I'm afraid I don't currently have any threads saved to make the point, because I would assume that someone who spends as much time on DU to rack up 26,000+ posts might have noticed stuff beyond sunday lolcats and their own navel.

But do keep your eyes open all the same. A good place to start is doing a search for the word "Zimmerman"

[RainDog]

234. If you make a claim, back it up

otherwise I'll assume you approve of this tactic of putting words in people's mouths - because that's what you're doing to talk about it being okay to hate black people here.

that's a serious claim.

if you can't back up such a serious claim with actual incidents, again, I just have to assume you're doing the same thing Intaglio did here...which is very possible, since you came to her/his defense and claimed she/he was making a valid point.

so, what about it? Are you lying about what you've seen here?

eta: I had all the Zimmerman threads on word hide, so, if people were here saying they hate black people I missed that part, but, yes, you would have to show me, still, to make the claim.

I don't feel the need to search for something when you are the one making the claim. that's how these things work.

[pintobean]

245. What does the number of posts matter?

Maybe you should do the math. Annually, you average over twice as many posts.

[RainDog]

237. And, how interesting

that Scootaloo can only post unsubstantiated claims, then follow them up with attempts at insults toward the person who asks to see the claims that DU is a-okay with hatred toward black people.

you would almost think that people making such claims are simply trying to disrupt this forum by the amount of energy they spend doing such things.

Even FOUR HIDES ON THE SAME THREAD cannot convince the crusaders that people here are not anything like the claims made against them.

No one is saying that there aren't people here with some attitude issues - and, interestingly, NO ONE said the tylenol joke was even funny.

what people said was that the overreaction and insults were unwarranted and rude.

but, of course, this isn't about the behavior of those who are being sent to "time out" because they seemingly forgot how to behave like adults. it's all about everyone else... who is still here posting because we are not unremittingly rude to others.

but those who are are the "victims"

[one_voice]

151. Colored guy?

[intaglio]

155. See my response above

[one_voice]

161. Which one?

the one where you justified using 'colored' when talking about a black person by claiming you lived in the UK? If so you've posted here long enough to know that's not cool.

Or this complete mess:

Oh, and what would you have had me call Mr Little? The N****r or N***o or Black feller or Kafir or Boy?

While you're busy losing your mind over an old joke-the headache joke-, you're throwing around the word 'colored' in more than one post. Check yourself before you start wagging that finger.

A disgusting and sexist joke
Abhorrent

You seem to glory in this sort of sick humour

For jurors numbers 4 and 6 I presume that "lame" jokes about coloured people and the disabled are fine with you as well. A foul display by a supposedly liberal board

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315181#post18


No I don't find the headache joke particularly sexist.

[intaglio]

167. Coloured is more generally used in the UK

Primarily because of the derogatory way Black (pronounced Bleck) is used by those who supported the old South African regime.

A failure of translation.

[dipsydoodle]

236. Not quite correct.

In the UK black refers only to African family origin and coloured or Asian refers generally to Indian sub continent only, family origin - not Asia in general.

PM me if you disagree.

[Bonobo]

157. Archie Bunker, is that you? nt

[intaglio]

158. No, a Brit

It is the Americans who misuse English.

[one_voice]

165. Really?

So when you say 'colored guy' it would be acceptable hell even appropriate to ask you "What color was he" right?

Misuse, indeed.

[intaglio]

170. Yup, really, check my response #167

If you prefer it is "...two countries separated by a common language." GBS

[MNBrewer]

128. These were the results

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Obviously meant as a joke, not meant to be insulting IMO. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I fail to see how a completely lame joke can be "grossly insulting". Take it for the juvenile attempt at humor it is and move on. Life is too short.

[LukeFL]

190. Relax!

Take a joke. It's true tat most of us have recurring headaches

[Number23]

196. "coloured people"

[woolldog]

232. ....

[NuclearDem]

24. You just don't know when to quit, do you?

[intaglio]

72. No, not when I see outright prejudice and double standards

Are you OK with "jokes" that belittle other races or the disabled? If you are you are horribly prejudiced. If you are not then why are you willing to allow jokes that belittle women?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

77. Race and disability are traits that cannot be controlled.

Feigning a headache can be controlled, which is the essence of the age-old joke of the spouse faking a headache to avoid sex.

[intaglio]

79. So you are fine with jokes that make fun of and belittle women

Is being a woman a trait that cannot be controlled?

Incidentally, you seem to regard the mere fact of being a different race or suffering a physical (or mental) deficit equivalent to having or feigning a headache - perhaps you would like to re-think nonsensical argument.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

83. How can it belittle women as a whole if it makes fun of an individual's behavior in particular?

The only assignment from particular to general is from you, ergo the blame is wholly your own.

Incidentally, you seem to regard the mere fact of being a different race or suffering a physical (or mental) deficit equivalent to having or feigning a headache - perhaps you would like to re-think nonsensical argument.

You need to read more closely and outrage less. The entire point of my argument is to contrast race/disability against a feigned headache; to wit I wrote --

Race and disability are traits that cannot be controlled. Feigning a headache can be controlled...

cannot vs. can

[intaglio]

85. But you are claiming that women (a class of individuals) feign headaches

It is equally racist (and sexist) to say white guys can't dance, they have no sense of rhythm. Not dancing well and lacking rhythmic sense can be controlled being a white guy cannot

Being a white man cannot be controlled. Being a woman cannot be controlled.

The comment is disgustingly sexist and the person who made it should remove it

[Nuclear Unicorn]

87. Is it equally sexist to assume

the motivation for feigning a headache is that a man is pestilential in nature?

Here you are scolding me for making gender-based assumptions (even though you're the only one assigning a particular behavior to all women in general) but you then make the statement --

realise that some persons seeking sexual activity are pestilential nuisances and can only be put off by a falsehood.

So, not only do you actually assert that some women feign headache you approve of some women feigning headache as being justified. You claim it is because "some people" are a pestilential nuisance. That seems to imply that some who feign a headache are simply lying. Or maybe you are saying that only some sexual petitioners are nuisances but any feigning of a headache must solely be the fault of the petitioner.

If the former your complaints are hollow because you admit the very thing the joke is meant to portray, If the latter then you're complaints are hypocritical because you're being the sexist you falsely accuse others of being.

[intaglio]

100. I am holding up the assumption about women as wrong and I am the one at fault

Shiny mirror there.

I am asking questions about why women are assumed to have to make excuses rather than just being able to say "No".

What you are doing is saying a joke about how Tylenol would enable a woman to have sex is not sexist.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

106. Actually, The Straight Story never mentioned women. You made that assumption on your own.

And then you claim that lying about having a headache is justified because some men (assuming you mean men because you assume women are the ones faking headaches) are "pestilential nuisances." So, you actually admit that what TSS said was true in facticity even though he only said it as a joke.

You're a sexist because apparently you assume the lying is the exclusive fault of the man thus discounting the possibility that the woman might be lying because she's unapproachable through no fault of her mate.

[NuclearDem]

109. Whoa, hold on, I was replying to him, not you.

I'm on your side here.

[Squinch]

35. Some men do hear that headache excuse often.

[redqueen]

44. Yeah, because for some men, a simple 'I'm not in the mood' isn't enough.

A simple 'no thanks' results in either annoying attempts at 'seduction' or pathetic begging

[intaglio]

74. Evidence? Or are you just going with the majority opinion?

Again, are you OK with "jokes" that belittle other races and the disabled?

[Warren DeMontague]

89. I'm sorry, speak up sonny

I can't hear you

[intaglio]

104. you seem to think you are humourous

But I think that a career in comedy would not suit you.

Have you thought about answering the question yet? Or are you still dodging?

[Warren DeMontague]

107. Yes.

No.

Maybe.

[intaglio]

110. By that you admit to being a prejudiced man

Why are you posting on DU?

[Warren DeMontague]

112. I do?

Interesting.

[Major Nikon]

193. I think you are unintentionally humorous

[Nuclear Unicorn]

78. Is that an on-going issue for you?

[intaglio]

80. Why, have many women told you that they have a headache?

Grow up and realise that some persons seeking sexual activity are pestilential nuisances and can only be put off by a falsehood.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

84. I kissed a girl once (and like Katy Perry, I liked it) but

Lover Boy and I seem the best fit for each other.

Grow up and realise that some persons seeking sexual activity are pestilential nuisances and can only be put off by a falsehood.

If someone is in a relationship they equate to pestilence then they should leave -- or be left.

[intaglio]

86. And if the fool who is pestering them follows and, you know, persists

Is it preferred to summon the police or would you say that you were not feeling well?

You are like the old Scots and Welsh comedians who excused English laughter at the jokes depreciating the Scottish or Welsh nationality by saying "Well, Scots/Welsh are like that"

[Nuclear Unicorn]

90. "And if the fool who is pestering them follows"

The "Not tonight, I have a headache" joke isn't about casual acquaintances who have a chance meeting but about married couples. I'm not sure where you're heading but I'm sure you'll get there with as much aplomb and well-reasoned argumentation as you started.

You are like the old Scots and Welsh

According to your standard, that sounds racist.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

94. Yes, but it makes me miss

my husband even more.

I'm gonna wreck that boy when he gets home.

[intaglio]

99. No, I was quite clear that the comedians were acquiescing

to a racist view, just as you are acquiescing to a sexist one. You, being a part of a group denigrated by another culturally dominant group, cannot excuse the words and actions that hold the dominated group back.

A Scot telling jokes to an English audience about how "tight" (in relation to money) the Scots are or an Irishman telling jokes about how dumb the Irish or a Jew making the same sort of jokes about his race does not make those jokes acceptable.

By your defense of the indefensible belittling of women you are aligning yourself with people like Herman Cain, Bobby Jindal and Michelle Bachmann in their defense of the racism and sexism of the Republican Party.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

102. You sound like those white supremacists who run around calling people "race traitor"

[intaglio]

108. Who am I saying is traitorous?

Am I saying that people of dominated groups standing up for themselves is good and that dominant groups making jokes about dominated groups is bad.

I am saying that you, personally, are trying to excuse the actions of men who laugh at you and other women.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. Best. Subthread. Ever.

I predict Moon Bombing volume by 10 PM PST.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

114. No man has ever laughed at me for feigning a headache.

Your mileage may vary.

[intaglio]

116. Did I say they did - but you admit that you have had to feign a headache

would Tylenol have helped?

I'm sorry that you have been put in the position of having to feign a headache but would the man or woman you had to lie to accepting a simple "no" have been better? What you say is just defending people who were willing to abuse you.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

118. What the hell are you talking about?

This is what irks me about you outrage-mongers you just make things up out of whole cloth. Most times I think it's simple deceitfulness but I'm starting to think you just see things that aren't there.

By the way, you're back to admitting that people do, in fact, lie to avoid sex. You're claiming the joke is grounded in reality. Whether it is or is not I would not know because the situation has never been an issue in my life but you are saying that lying to avoid sex is a common and justified practice.

I don't see how you can be mad at people for making a joke about a situation you claim actually exists and is justified.

And how is someone asking for sex from their partner "abuse"?

[Warren DeMontague]

121. ***

[intaglio]

122. You admitted to feigning a headache

From your post #114
No man has ever laughed at me for feigning a headache.

but you have now qualified that, you should have done so earlier.

I am claiming that the so-called "joke" was based upon an assumption about the actions of women who do not want to have sex. You are claiming that those assumption is valid - just as old-time Scots comedians claimed that the Scots, as a race, were miserly. I have said that if you have had to make such an excuse then the men you made that excuse to were in the wrong.

One way or another the original joke is not funny - otherwise you would not be taking such umbrage.

[intaglio]

134. Unfortunately your "comedy" fails every time

Why not try a career as a soporific?

[Fumesucker]

135. On the DU we call that "Saturday"

[The Straight Story]

176. I think I need some tylenol after this subthread myself

[The Straight Story]

179. Add "Don't tell jokes" to "Don't open doors". Life must be getting boring for some folks

to find an enemy/problem/issue under every rock.

Hard to be on someone's side when they spend all their energy trying to tell you that you are not. It goes from big tent to pup tent (Hop pup tent is not offensive to anyone, have not seen that phrase filtered out. Might mean something different in the UK).

[The Straight Story]

184. I get what you are saying and concur on that

Been here long enough to see the person behind the curtain (would have said man behind the curtain but didn't want another sub thread flame war, even though that is more accurate since it refers to the Wizard of Oz and it was a man).

[stevenleser]

214. Looks like someone has earned themselves a lengthy and well deserved timeout.

They probably need it. Inventing outrage and enemies where they do not exist has to be exhausting.

[Sissyk]

215. That was truly just a WTF moment.

That spectacular flame out over a headache joke.

[stevenleser]

216. That joke was nowhere near justification for that persons attitude and as a result

that person will be unable to participate in GD until April 6th, assuming the admins do not PPR them. They are currently flagged for review in addition to having 5 hides the oldest of which is January 6th.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

131. No man has ever aughed at me for feigning a headache because I have never feigned a headache.

This is you, yet again, imposing what you want to see just so you can wield cudgel of fake moral outrage.

You are claiming that those assumption is valid

I have never claimed it was valid. I have claimed you're exhibiting BS outrage while simultaneously contradicting yourself by saying that it is the only means of dealing with a "pestilential nuisance." You even characterized a long term partner asking for sex as "abuse."

otherwise you would not be taking such umbrage

The only thing that isn't funny is people ginning-up fake outrage over a non-issue. It only gets worse when they contradict themselves and run around claiming anyone who doesn't take their side is the equivalent of a race traitor to their gender.

[polly7]

159. Bingo!

"This is what irks me about you outrage-mongers you just make things up out of whole cloth. Most times I think it's simple deceitfulness but I'm starting to think you just see things that aren't there."

[stevenleser]

219. And we see that again and again from some folks here.

I think those folks go around examining each word from people trying to determine how to twist those words into something against women they can gin up outrage about and they brand that behavior as feminism. Then they wonder why people don't want to buy into their particular brand of feminism and when people don't, they use that as justification to say how misogynist DU is.

No, DU by and large is not misogynist most DUers are feminists. There are some issues with some folks, yes. What you have is folks not buying in to a particular brand of feminism espoused by a small number of people. And what kind of person would want to buy into that particular brand? Who makes feminism about a joke about feigning a headache to brush of a request for intimacy by their partner? That's the real joke. If we asked any real feminist leader who has accomplished anything, who has started large organizations or made things happen whether we should spend significant amounts of time over that joke for feminism's sake they would look at whoever said that like they were crazy.

This subthread is about someone creating outrage for outrage's sake, not for feminism's sake, and we see that far too often.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

221. Last night as I was lying in my husband's arms I had an epiphany --

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

I think I am to the point where I would not care if some clod were to walk up to me and scream in my face "You stupid w****! You women are too stupid to do X, Y or Z! You should stay home and have babies like nature intended!"

Such words CANNOT define me. No person can define who I am except me. So what if someone says those things? The only thing they have done is define themselves as the cretin they are. I know who I am. My family knows who I am. My friends, neighbors and co-workers know who I am and I am more powerful and capable than some idiot's tirade. What's he going to do? Not hire me for a job? Good! Please! As if I would want to work for such a person.

And do I really want to be the sort of person that falls to the ground weeping, paralyzed and unable to go on because someone somewhere made a joke about feigning headaches to escape sex with their spouse? I am NOT that fragile and infantile and those who insist that I must be (or else I am a gender traitor, apparently) do me no favors. I refuse to be a helpless little girl just so they can further their personal agenda built on fake outrage.

I am stronger and better than that. If you mess with the 'corn you're gonna get the horn!

[RainDog]

230. yes

and the rationale made for rude behavior is other people. or someone isn't "popular." that's a strange way to interpret people noting someone twists others' words, or attacks them on that basis, or goes through threads insulting people, for months, and then feigns surprise when a meta thread by that same person is greeted with groans.

if someone twists others' words and, in response, someone loses her or his temper over this tactic, the person doing the goading then alerts, or someone does who agrees with the person goading.

I know this happens because I have been called for a few juries lately where this very tactic has been used by one person. repeatedly.

the juries have chosen not to hide the post made by the person being goaded - and, rather than accept that jurors are saying people are being trolled here with this tactic, the one or those doing it claim it's someone else's fault... it's misogyny. it's not. It is dislike for someone who comes here and attacks others constantly.

just as we see in this thread.

[RainDog]

204. brava!

"This is what irks me about you outrage-mongers you just make things up out of whole cloth. Most times I think it's simple deceitfulness but I'm starting to think you just see things that aren't there."

This thread is an emperor's clothes of

[stevenleser]

218. The thread could have ended with your excellent response with questions you pose that...

... never got answered.

Had the person to whom you posed those questions realized how wrong they were, they could have saved themselves a long DU timeout.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

222. Thank-you, to you and the others. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

93. Screw that.

(See what I did there?)

[intaglio]

73. How do you know it is an excuse?

And if it is an excuse can you imagine why men prejudiced against women might hear it?

[Squinch]

185. Yes. That was my point.

[neverforget]

175. The wife and I have found that sex helps get rid of the headache

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. I can see a lot of arguments over this one

* Is it a new date-rape drug of sorts?

* Aren't women entitled to feel "whole" as the lady in the article states?

* If it's denied for women but similar drugs are available for men does that mean:

A) some latent Puritanism says women aren't entitled to have sexual desires?

B) some outdated homage to machismo says men have to perform like trained monkeys (which is true as far as my husband is concerned )?

Yep, plenty of knock-down, drag-out fights to be had over this one.

[Bennyboy]

6. Do ya think? (NT)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Yes. Yes I do think

Lover Boy MUST perform as my trained sex monkey.

[In_The_Wind]

45. Yup!

[Bennyboy]

12. I'm gonna come from the comedic angle myself...

I see a lot of possible humor. And a lot of humorless people not getting the humor.

[MADem]

29. I want to know what idiot chose the name of the drug...

Anything that starts with "flea ban" could be misconstrued as having another purpose....

[indie9197]

205. I was gonna say chocolate

but I would be ripped to shreds!

[treestar]

15. Yes, it might be perceived as being for the benefit of men

It's very confusing. A low sex drive woman can still live a life and in fact one that avoids several problems. It feeds into the idea that men like sex more (which mother nature would not have created an imbalance in, so it's drilled into our heads like all the rest of it).

[Squinch]

30. That's a relatively new idea. Up till two hundred years ago, the party line among men was that

women's sexual appetite was too voracious and needed to be squashed for the sake of decency. It was the insatiability of women's sexuality that got the poor unwitting men into trouble. Or so they said.

[treestar]

46. Oh, yes, I remember that now

Much worse to give them a drug to increase this voraciousness!

[Squinch]

48. We would all turn into ravening cannibal zombies of sex. Which, let's face it, is just unattractive.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Rule 34

Honestly, someone is probably getting rich writing the books for amazon, right now.

[alarimer]

63. I generally believe in better living through chemistry

It's why I don't have a problem (generally speaking) with "lifestyle" drugs. If it helps people, why not? (assuming no horrible side affects, etc.)

[Zorra]

4. The best sex drive drug for straight women is generally a good man who is sensitive,

assertive, and imaginative.

Lesbians don't need drugs.

[FreakinDJ]

13. That or a "Flat Stomach"

[Squinch]

31. What?

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Women picking sex partners on superficial physical characteristics and lust?

Heavens, whatever will the kids think of next???

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Anecdotal studies of "bed death" notwithstanding

i guess.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

160. Funny,

Several lesbian friends have told me their greatest romantic frustration is women who turn out to have little or no sexual inclination despite identifying themselves as lesbians.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

5. Testosterone in small doses.

It's the sex drive drug in men and women both.
But we can't have hairy, aggressive women running loose, can we?

[Warpy]

36. Women also dislike the side effects

Even if there's too little to grow a mustache, we get acne from it.

What good is increased sex desire if you're too pizza faced to attract a partner?

[KansDem]

71. It depends...

What good is increased sex desire if you're too pizza faced to attract a partner?

If you look like anchovies and jalapeños, I'm yours!

[Warpy]

75. More like lumps of vegan "cheese" that doesn't melt properly

Anchovies and jalapenos? If I ever eat a pizza again, I'll have to give that a try.

[womanofthehills]

183. Natural transdermal testosterone

I am aggressive but definitely not hairy. Get it mixed at a compounding pharmacy with some natural bi-estrogen and wow!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

200. Compounding pharmacies can make some effective stuff.

Testosterone is also about motivation and drive to do things, and confidence to do them.

[flvegan]

7. This thread has so much promise.

[Jesus Malverde]

11. I've found popcorn often kills a thread...

That said this is a good one. Who can argue with science.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. No shit

Scoot over, champ.

[Jesus Malverde]

9. Thanks Benny, women with low sexual desires are

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ill and need medication.

Isn't this the side effect of the prozac nation?

Antidepressants in the SSRI family (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) are known to cause low libido. Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa and Paxil are all SSRIs and all have been documented as having sexual side effects.

Women are two-and-a-half times more likely to take antidepressants than men.

Take your Zoloft, counter act it with some Flibanserin and pretty soon you'll only need to worry about the yellow monsters living under your toe nails and your restless legs...

We've got pill for those too!

[Bennyboy]

10. Bob Weir knows....

[Squinch]

34. Some men like to tell themselves that.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. Bob never got any ladies

No sir

[TexasProgresive]

14. Sounds like Boehringer Ingelheim is trying to find a new market for a failed drug.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/sexual-and-reproductive-health/articles/2010/06/16/flibanserin-failure-female-viagra-drug-disappoints

The drug didn't boost women's desire any more than a placebo in two clinical trials.

Trouble is, flibanserin has side effects that may outweigh its tepid benefits. About 15 percent of flibanserin users in the experimental trial stopped taking the drug because of bad reactions like dizziness, nausea, anxiety and insomnia, compared to 7 percent of the placebo users. Side effects were heightened in those who used the drug at the same time they were taking other medications, such as anti-fungal treatments, hormonal contraceptives, and antidepressants. Flibanserin itself was originally designed to be an antidepressant, but past clinical trials found that it didn't alleviate depression.

[a la izquierda]

211. Anxiety and insomnia...

Two things that occur for me quite naturally...I'll pass on any drug that's going to add to this.

[treestar]

16. It's Viagra

The man doesn't have a problem if he has a low sex drive - if he doesn't want any sex, what's the problem? It's his wife that has the problem now.

[riverwalker]

17. kindness...works everytime

or as Otis sang, try a little tenderness.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

19. Any sex drive drug should be good for either gender

I have always found the idea that Viagra is "just about teh menz" to be faulty logic, as if women don't want their partners to be able to get erections. This is the same thing to me.

[Jesus Malverde]

21. Interesting observation..nt

[Squinch]

32. "This is the same thing to me" indicates that you are missing something.

[OmahaBlueDog]

20. Viagra/Cialis/Levitra don't increase or decrease sex drive

They increase or decrease blood flow. You can have all of the desire in the world, but if the blood won't flow to certain places, sex ain't happening.

For older women (i.e. women over 40 who are peri-menopausal or menopausal) and to a lesser degree older men, bio-identical hormone replacement therapy is being pushed to increase / restore desire.

ETA: This link (which I neither condemn nor endorse) is from a chain of clinics that perform this therapy: http://www.restorative-health.com/

[Nevernose]

22. Increasing libido is an off-label use for Wellbutrin

Which is side effect that both I and my wife can attest to at different points in our marriage. There are a lot of amphetamine salts prescribed for libido increase as well, so this article seems like maybe it's more of a sales pitch than helpful news.

[MadrasT]

23. Not sure low sex drive is a "problem" that needs to be fixed.

Especially not with pharmaceuticals.

[Live and Learn]

43. Exactly. Why do we feel the need to ensure everyone is

expending their energy on sexual acts when they could be using it for much better humanitarian acts?

How many people, on their death bed, regret not having had more sex?

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Probably a lot

[Jamastiene]

242. Exactly.

I know I will be.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

76. "expending their energy on sexual acts when they could be using it for much better humanitarian acts

Seriously?

[Live and Learn]

189. It was half in jest. nt

[alarimer]

65. It is if you want it to be something else.

Or it might indicate some other issue, which is worth looking into.

But yes, there is a gradient and where we all fall on a given day depends on a lot of things.

[BainsBane]

82. In my experience, the best cure for it

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Is a skilled lover, and it's cause is an unskilled one.

[historylovr]

224. +1.

[uppityperson]

25. It would be good to have help for those who want it, but not to force it on those who don't

Being of a certain age, I've friends who care to have sex, and those who don't. And it isn't always dependent on their partner, having one, the relationship. Some women's sex drive drops to near zero, some don't. If it bothers her, it would be good to have something to help her. If it doesn't, then no need to pressure her.

I think the key is in the phrase " distressing lack or absence of sexual desire or fantasy". If it is distressing to her, then get help. If it isn't, then don't.

[Rex]

26. The Internets makes it too easy to call this FUD.

https://www.google.com/search?q=drug+for+women+with+low+sexual+drive&rlz=1C1RNVG_enUS540US541&oq=drug+for+women+with+low+sexual+drive&aqs=chrome..69i57.8828j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

[polichick]

27. Lurve.

[Demo_Chris]

28. Must.. resist... urge...

Okay, got it, phew.

[Jesus Malverde]

33. heh

[Skittles]

203. you want I should kick your ass, Demo_Chris?

I will help you resist those urges; yes INDEED

[RainDog]

207. LOL

you're always taking the fun out of demon possession and sex...as if they're two different things...

[uppityperson]

38. The Guild of Asexual Women is in the northern states?

[Squinch]

39. .

[uppityperson]

41. Illinois is full? awww, no need to be sorry.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. The library

It's like samadhi, with books.

[TheKentuckian]

47. Are boner pills really about sex drive or do they address function problems

that occur in spite of desire and desire maybe is much more difficult to address because it has what seems most likely to have a wider range of root causes?

Impotence is by no means always or even probably caused by a lack of desire so I think the whole train of thought starts from false assumptions.
That is not to assume there are no physical reasons why a woman would have a lack of desire that various therapies could potentially address but it is important not to conflate function and desire, it can really muddy the waters and create more confusion and bickering than generate understanding. I also think it tends to really do both genders a disservice in our serial relationships indicating that something is physically wrong with a woman unattractive to her disinterested douchebage of a husband or that a man with impotency issues isn't interested in his mate.

I doubt very seriously that is the intent but sometimes as we try to make statements that fit on bumper stickers and tweets a fair amount of truth can be lost in the translation.

[WillowTree]

174. Good to see that someone finally mentioned that they're not the same thing.

[DesertFlower]

49. i remember when viagara came on the market.

someone said "no one asked 65 year old women if they wanted their husbands chasing them around".

[JoePhilly]

51. I'm right here!

[FatBuddy]

52. booze?

[Bennyboy]

57. It's not an 8 ball of coke and cool surfer van?

Damn. Times have changed.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. ***

[AngryAmish]

81. There is an FDA approved drug that increases female desire

Actually there are a few. Testosterone and any drug that will boost it.

There can be side effects, tho.

[JustAnotherGen]

97. Pinot Grigio

Does wonders!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

98. "Pinot Grigio"

I love it when you talk dirty.

[JustAnotherGen]

113. Your welcome!

My husband is insanely sexy - so the two combined give me my mojo!

[Warren DeMontague]

125. Who's he?

Sounds Italian.

[shedevil69taz]

143. Having an erection

is not even the same thing has wanting to have sex...

[Warren DeMontague]

149. True dat

[madville]

147. Alcohol doesn't work anymore?

After a couple of wives, a few live-in partners, and several girlfriends I have yet to be around a woman that alcohol didn't put "in the mood".

I will say though that all of my experience to this point is with women under 50, does that effect change after menopause?

[MannyGoldstein]

152. Right here, baby!

Who wants to know?

[Warren DeMontague]

178. It works on men, too

And monkeys.

[grahamhgreen]

180. Hello ladies;)

[WillyT]

188. THAT'S What I Wanna Know, Dammit !!!

[BainsBane]

198. Seriously guys, if you want your female partners to have more sex with you

brush up on your oral skills.

[indie9197]

206. Like debate? n/t

[Jamastiene]

243. ROFL!

Guess again,

[Jamaal510]

208. +1

[retread]

225. "...brush up on your oral skills." Yeah guys! Who wants to have sex with old stinky breath.

[Jamastiene]

209. I would think the first sex drive drug would have been for women instead of men.

I've never known a man who had a low sex drive. Then again, I thought Viagra and those other drugs like it were for a medical condition (ED) where the man's "want to" is there, but his body just won't cooperate like it used to, not for giving a higher sex drive. So, that shows what I know.

[OKNancy]

213. "It's not that I don't want sex, I just don't want to have sex with you"

says a 65 year old.

[randome]

220. Women don't need it. Nature made them natural sex machines.

Seriously? Do I really need to...fine.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[mainer]

226. Might I suggest a hot romance novel?

"50 Shades of Grey" was an atrocious piece of crap writing, but I've heard from several men that it turned their wives into sex maniacs. Why take a pill when you don't need to?

(I work in publishing, so I do hear the responses.)

p.s., there are many better erotic romance novels out there -- take your pick. A survey done by Romance Writers of America shows that women who regularly read romance novels have a lot more sex than women who don't.

[MrMickeysMom]

228. Sure as hell not at GNC!

They advertise this like crazy.. "improve your drive!" all over the television.. but, the ingredients are basically Zinc and Magnesium!


A little Zinc
A little Mag

A little seltzer down your flag…

[Comrade Grumpy]

240. OMG! Thanks, everybody, and especially Intaglio. This thread was hilarious!

Laugh out loud hilarious. I'm so serious I even spelled it out.

[Waiting For Everyman]

241. +1 Completely agree. Another instant classic.

Another epic subthread section. Some funny stuff in there. My favorite, even though a sideline to the main action, is this couple of exchanges, including the post this was responding to -- it should definitely be a DUzy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315181#post91

And this thread also has some very capable off-telling by a few folks too.

[w8liftinglady]

244. all joking aside....a few things

I have a friend who has aggressively pursued this with her physician,after her second marriage.
1. She has stabilized her female hormones
2. She has been prescribed testosterone cream.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757129_5

http://www.sart.org/uploadedFiles/ASRM_Content/News_and_Publications/Journals_and_Newsletters/Menopausal_Medicine/2012/MenMed_0512.pdf