a family member has offered to pay for me to get a concealed carry license

[arely staircase]

I am no gun nut but used to hunt quail a lot when my dad was alive so I am not unfamiliar with firearms and safety. I am going to take him up on it though I will never actually walk around town with a gun. But the class should be fun. Should I wear my Obama 08 shirt or my Gay Right are Human Rights shirt for the first class? Justice for Trayvon maybe?

[TlalocW]

1. I bought an NRA hat

Which unfortunately put me on their mailing list so I get gun porn once a month and put Obama campaign buttons on it. I've worn it in public a few times. I get a lot of weird looks.

TlalocW

[GP6971]

2. I'd go with Trayvon

And then wrap the Gay rights T Shirt around your waist. Shape the Obama T Shirt as a Muslim headdress (sorry.....can't remember the name)

[Chan790]

7. Keffiyeh. The unisex Arabic headwrap is called a keffiyeh.

This is what it looks like.


This is how you tie one.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/09/how-to-tie-a-military-style-shemaghkeffiyeh/

[arely staircase]

13. I actually have one I bought at the Worlds Fair in Lisbon

At the Palestinian exhibit. Honest to gods truth.

[Hangingon]

27. The gun mags and catalogs all feature these.

They come in a variety of colors and are pretty cheap. I sent a couple to my nephew -at his request - when he was in Afganistan. Check Cheaper than Dirt.

[oneshooter]

3. You know that there is a required course of shooting don't you?

The total is fifty rounds, if you fail, you don't get a license.

[arely staircase]

4. yes. the class license and the ammo is part of the offer

I haven't shot a pistol in over ten years but I am sure I can pass the class.

[Jenoch]

5. What state are you in?

In Minnesota the class is 8 hours. If it were me, I would not wear any clothing that signifies any political viewpoint of any kind.

I thought about taking the course a couple years ago when my father and nephew did, but I decided since I probably was not planning on carrying or buying a handgun from an FFL, I skipped it.

[arely staircase]

9. East Texas

And I jest about the shirts.

[Jenoch]

14. I looked up the CCW training requirements in Texas,

it appears to be similar to the Minnesota requirement. I wish all states had a training and marksmanship requirement. My then 80 year old father had zero problems on the qualifying shoot. My Iraqi War veteran nephew apparently did ok as well.

It is my understanding that much of the Minnesota CCW course is the instructor telling the people taking the course about the world of shit they will be in if they even pull out their gun let alone fire it.

[arely staircase]

18. I find it stunning that a state would actually issue one

without an instructor actually watching them operate one. I am not a huge support of concealed carry to begin with. I am a very strong supporter of gun control but I am also from a part of the world where even most of the liberals own some form of firearm. Getting the license is something I wouldn't pay my own money for because I will use it virtually never. I can see the value of having it say for a long road trip in which I would keep it in the car and there would be no legal problems if pulled over and searched. But I can't picture myself ever walking around town with a pistol in a holster.

But back to the range requirements - on a similar also dissapointing note. The DPSdoesnt make kids drive a car with a trooper as passenger to get their DL like when I was a kid. If nothing else it wass a right of passage.

[oldhippie]

24. Actually now in Texas you can have a loaded pistol in your car ....

.... without a CHL. As long as it is concealed. The law changed a couple of years ago. It has some odd provisions, but basically as long as it is concealed it is legal. And if you get stopped for a traffic offense you don't even have to tell the officer you have it. As I CHL holder I am required to inform the officer when asked for ID and show my CHL if I have the weapon in the car. Strange, but that's the way it works.

[arely staircase]

26. didn't know they changed it

It used to be some archaic thing about travelling through two countied or more on a business trip.

[oldhippie]

32. Yep, that's the way it used to be .....

.. and the definition of "traveling" was absent in the old statute. So each jurisdiction made up it's own definitions and case law was all over the place in the different counties in the state. A few years ago the legislature finally changed the law and clarified it and now it should be consistent across the state. But not every LEO knows this, or cares.

It's Texas Penal Code 46.02 if you want to look it up.

[Eleanors38]

56. Passed w/ cooperation of Texas State Rifle Assoc. & Texas Civil Liberties Union.

The old mish mash of laws were abused from one jurisdiction to another; goose hunters in Houston were arrested returning from a hunt.

[Jenoch]

64. While I am a RKBA supporter,

I don't see how a goose hunter needs amt special laws when it comes to transporting shotguns. A Minnesota legistlator (DFL) got a law passed in Minnesota allowing unloaded ans uncased guns to be legally tramsported in vehicles as long as it is being tramsported between deer camp (house) and deer stand. I think it was a solution seeking a problem.

[Eleanors38]

72. The previous laws were abused by local LEO...

and firearms owners found they were subject to and in fact arrested because of lack of clarity and consistency. Goose hunters were among those affected. I posted on this as SteveM in 2006.

[oneshooter]

83. There were some local LEO's who called

a cased, unloaded shotgun a"concealed weapon", and the local courts agreed. It was all about MONEY, since the fines(up to $1500) would go into the courts coffers.

[Jenoch]

30. I remember taking my behind the wheel test

in a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker 4-door sedan. It was 19 feet long. A GM Suburban is 18.5 feet long.

[sir pball]

81. When I got mine in PA in '06

I literally walked into the sheriff's office, filled out a single-sheet application, had an instant background check called in...and had my picture taken and license printed on the spot. $25 with no classroom or practical training whatsoever. Jaw-dropping, really.

(I had a CT permit at that point, which required plenty of both - in this case I was definitely more equal than some animals)

[oldhippie]

19. When my Chinese-born wife took the Texas CHL class ....

... for the first time she did not have any problems with either the language, rules, or the qualification shooting.

She had never fired a pistol in her life. She picked up my Glock 19 and fired a max score (250/250) on the qual, beating everyone else in the class, including me. The instructors couldn't believe she had never fired a pistol before. She said it just wasn't that hard, just line up the sights and shoot. She doesn't seem to notice recoil much.

P.S. She also maxed the qualification shooting when she took her renewal course four years later.

[Jenoch]

44. I guess your wife is a 'natural'.

I bet she's good at lots of other stuff as well. (No, I'm not imlying anything vulgar.)

[oldhippie]

46. Yes, she is ...

She is also a very good natural cook, healer, and mother. I am fortunate to have been married to her for 39 years.

[Jenoch]

49. I am impressed by your wife.

But I will never admit that to my wife who is not as good a shot as is your wife. (She hits paper.)

[melm00se]

71. I have taken 2 firearms training classes

my state's concealed carry class and a 4 day pistol class.

In both cases, the instructors made it perfectly clear that your life will change (mostly for the worse) if you pull your gun and drop the hammer on someone.

That was repeated, literally, at least a dozen times in my 4 days class and at least once an hour in my CCW class.

[indie9197]

10. Huh? You have to actually shoot a pistol?

Not here in Utah. And its good in 32 states. And you can actually take the four hour class in any state that someone wants to teach it.

[arely staircase]

12. yeah there is some range time required here in Texas nt

[NightWatcher]

6. it's good to have in the event that you should have a gun in the car, bag, on your person.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. I think you'd be surprised that many Dems

take CCW classes.

[arely staircase]

11. I know tons who do.

My uncle who is paying for all of this is is probably to the left of Chomsky.

[NutmegYankee]

42. You practically have to do so in Connecticut.

You are required to have a CCW just to drive your handgun to the range, even unloaded in the trunk of a car. Now that you have to have an eligibility certificate to buy any gun, handgun or rifle, and one for ammo purchases, most are opting for the CCW permit which covers all.

[Eleanors38]

58. That's curious. Was it the authorities intent?

[NutmegYankee]

61. Yes.

The pistol permit rule for transport by car has been around since the 1990's. It was an effective anti-gang law, since any gang members packing when stopped by police are charged with a felony since they usually won't have a pistol permit. A typical gun owner will have gotten the permit and be legal. Prior to the Sandy Hook shootings, the law was a 2 week waiting period for long gun purchases, but none if you had the pistol permit.

After Sandy Hook, a new law banned sales of the AR-15 and introduced "long gun" and ammo certificates, which require a background check when applying, and eliminated the 2 week waiting period. But you need neither with the pistol permit, since it is requires a more stringent background search.

[rppper]

130. As an honorably discharged vet, I only need to show....

My dd214 and pay the $122.00 fee and presto! A Florida ccw permit. No class/no range....I guess that's a perk. I own 2 weapons I used in the navy, a m1911 and a mossburg 500 12ga, and an old bolt action enfield .303 rifle which I've hunted with for 35 years.

[dflprincess]

15. I know someone who took the conceal carry class required here out of curiosity

He said he realized that the first clue most the people in the class shouldn't be given a CC license is was the fact they thought they needed one.

Go with the Trayvon shirt.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

16. I can't see anything about a class in WA state

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealreq.html

Am I over-looking it?

I got a gun for Christmas and I plan to get a concealed carry permit.

[ManiacJoe]

48. WA state has no training requirements for CCW.

That said, WA has some of the best training available to you.

http://www.insightstraining.com/sector_home.asp?categoryID=4
http://firearmsacademy.com/

[madinmaryland]

17. If he can't get it himself, then fuck him. Other than that, wear a FUCK THE NRA shirt.

[dionysus]

20. "If he can't get it himself," huh?

[madinmaryland]

22. Incorrectly read the post. nt

[dionysus]

23. ok, thanks! i thought i was going senile or something...

[Logical]

21. I got mine but never have carried it. But have it if I felt the need. n-t

[JaneyVee]

25. Are you the one who was bit by a raccoon? If not, does anyone know how

That DU'er is doing?

[arely staircase]

28. no

not that I remember.

[dionysus]

31. no, the was aerows, they are recovering.

[JaneyVee]

37. Ah, I knew it was an A word. Thanks for info. Despite their epic cuteness,

Raccoon bites can be seriously complicated.

[dionysus]

62. those things are smart, too. i came home from golf one night, and was talking to my buddy in the

driveway, it was dark. a raccoon bursts out of the top of the garbage bin and bolts up a tree. A) that bastard was huge B) interesting how he got into a large city trash bin with a hinged lid on top... C) startled the shit out of me!

had no idea what the thing was until we spotted it in the tree with a flashlight.

[Recursion]

74. Here's her "I'm OK" thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024320332

[Historic NY]

29. Why????

[arely staircase]

33. why not? it is free. nt

[aikoaiko]

34. Texas is a great state for CC permit.

A lot of other states will accept it.

TX Permit(s) Honored In:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

[arely staircase]

35. I will mainly use it

as my ID for voting, in a great act of ironic performance art.

[aikoaiko]

41. right on!

[madville]

36. I've had my Florida CWL for years

Didn't require any class since I had a DD-214 and/or a Florida Hunters Education Card from the 80's.

I had a job at one time where I had to collect cash from people at their residences, it wasn't uncommon to have a grand or two on you at any given time, makes you feel like a target for sure. That's why I originally got it and have renewed it since but rarely carry a firearm these days.

[sarisataka]

38. Free class...

might find it enjoyable. I'd go with the Gay Rights shirt.

[firsttimer]

39. You say you won't carry one , chances are you will buy a handgun once you have this license

And you will then buy a holster ...watch and see...............

[arely staircase]

43. I already own a Belgian made Browning 9mm

That is in a safe and hasn't been fired since I inherited from my father. I have never been a handgun guy but was into birdhunting quite seriously for a couple of decades. I was once quite the skeet and trap shooter too. But that was a such a spe cial father son thing that I just stopped doing it after he passed away. Back when we would shoot pistols at the range I was ok. But my real skill was moving target with a 20 gauge. No if I had ever wanted to be a carry a gun around guy I could have. It doesn't appeal to me.

[firsttimer]

47. I'm not real up on guns

I don't really like them but I understand people want to own them.

I guess your OP and title threw me off a bit. You sound like a person
who knows his way around them and knows all the dangers involved in having one.

And more importantly how to be safe with one.

[arely staircase]

53. well thanks

There are too many guns in this country and lots in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Many of these guns shouldn't even be available to the general public. But skeet and trap and target shooting can actually be quite enjoyable, even relaxing passtimes. But they req uire the utmost attention to safety.I am only getting the license because it will be free and I think the classes will be a fun interesting experience. But seriously I can assure you I will never be walking around town with a loaded gun.

[NutmegYankee]

45. I've had a CCW for over a decade. Haven't carried once.

Though Conn. is kind of unique for CCW. You have to have one just to drive to the range with a handgun unloaded in the trunk. It was implemented as an anti-gang banger law. Possession of a handgun in a car, with very limited circumstances, is a felony if you don't have the permit. That's a prime reason the law is effectively Shall issue in the state. The state can't have a May issue or they would lose in court.

[firsttimer]

50. Is that normal in the gun world ? , (for lack of a better term)

Don't most people that have a license carry one?

[NutmegYankee]

51. I don't know.

As I mentioned, Connecticut's laws essentially require one. It's a 4 month process that requires a pistol safety class, applying to your local town Police Chief or First Selectman (who fingerprint and run background checks), then going to the State Police barracks for the final permit. Some towns have added requirements for 3 letters of reference and interview you to determine what is your motive for applying. I had to do both of those. My reason during the interview was the most common - I wanted to legally transport a handgun to a range. That said, the law is basically "shall issue". There is a little clause that allows the town official to deny if he feels you are unsuitable, which is undefined. If that happens (it's rare), then the applicant appeals to a board that hears the case.

[Jenoch]

55. I could not find a source to link to,

but I believe that much fewe than 5% of people with CCW pemits actaially carry a concealef gun on a daily basis. I would guess that number in Minnesota is less than 1%.

[firsttimer]

57. I would have never thought that.

[Jenoch]

65. I don't have a link, but I do remember reading

a story about Mnnesota CCW laws and learned that few people with a CCW permit actully carry. Many get the permit just because they can, while others get it so they are able to readily buy handguns from a licensed gun dealer.

[sarisataka]

59. Stats are very difficult to come by

IIRC best estimates place the number of CCW carriers who regularly carry after getting the license at about 40%. By 1 yr after getting the license it is <20%. Long term ranges from 3-8% regularly, so call it 5%, with about 2% carry almost always.
I'd say MN is about 2% regularly and less than 1% always.

[Jenoch]

63. I don't even believe that 40% number,

unless it is only the first two weeks after the CCW is valid.

[sarisataka]

73. I forget if the 40%

was at two weeks or 30 days.

Most people find lugging around a couple pounds of metal to be a PITA

[oldhippie]

75. Of the folks I know with CHLs in Texas .....

... my guess is about 20% or less carry daily. And we probably have a higher percentage than most places due to our nearby military influence. I agree with your assessment about the first two weeks after the class. After that it is just too inconvenient for most people.

[Ranchemp.]

78. In Nevada, you have to have a CHL to carry concealed,

otherwise, open carry doesn't require a license anywhere in the state, also, AZ, AR, AK, OK, WY, VT, are what's called constitutional carry, meaning that you don't have to obtain a CHL to carry concealed.

[OriginalGeek]

93. I can only speak for myself

but I've had a Florida CCW for over a year and never once carried. Heck, I didn't have a pistol until about a month ago and that was just because I took it from a family member who no longer wanted it (Brought it home in my trunk, unloaded, in a case.)

But at least I know I'm covered when I want to go to the range.

[Skittles]

52. the Trayvon shirt

for sure

[ecstatic]

54. funny idea, but not worth it

There will probably be at least one crazy person in the class, and that person will have a gun. I've heard of numerous "accidents" occurring at the range and/or gun "safety" classes. The uber gun nuts know how to make it look like a tragic accident. In other words, don't do it.

[arely staircase]

60. I won't. don't worry. nt

[SecularMotion]

66. The gun nuts in this thread think you're serious, LOL

You're joking right?

[arely staircase]

67. about the shirts yes,

But my uncle has indeed offered to pay for the class and the license and the range time. It should be an interesting experience. I will have to write it up and put it in my journal. Qnd of course I have no intention of ever actually carrying a gun around.

[SecularMotion]

69. The shirts were the best part

It's funny how the gun nuts ignore the fact that you basically called all gun carriers right wing, racist, homophobes. I think it flies right over their heads.

[arely staircase]

76. I probably will wear something to create cognitive dissonance without

looking like I am trying to cause trouble.

[SecularMotion]

79. Just like your OP

[arely staircase]

98. good point

I'm going to start listing "creating cognitive dissonance without looking like a trouble maker" in the "other skills" sections of job applications.

[SecularMotion]

99. It's a job requirement for right wing trolls.

[arely staircase]

104. could you clarify that comment?

Are you implying I am one?

[SecularMotion]

108. Would a right wing troll call all gun carriers right wing, racist, homophobes?

[arely staircase]

109. no.

Gotcha.

[SecularMotion]

116. I still don't understand why the gun nuts gave you a pass on your OP

You make a post in GD that implies gun carriers are right wing, racist, homophobes and not one gun nut has alerted. Normally a post like yours would have them swarming.

[arely staircase]

118. one got a post hidden nt

[Ranchemp.]

120. Who are the gun nuts here?

It seems that the OP wants to learn about the process of obtaining a CHL, I think it's a good thing, even if the OP never utilizes it, at least he is gaining knowledge, unlike many others................

[SecularMotion]

121. Now I understand why the gun nuts like this thread

[Ranchemp.]

122. And I understand your constant labeling of those that own firearms.

You just can't seem to accept that millions of Dems and Repugs alike own firearms for hunting, protection, target shooting, etc.

[SecularMotion]

123. Are you saying that all gun owners are gun nuts?

[Ranchemp.]

125. You're the one saying that there are gun nuts in this thread,

when I asked to who they are, you came back with some nonsense.
So, I'll ask you again, who are the gun nuts in this thread.

[SecularMotion]

129. Gun nuts are a subset of gun owners

You'll usually find them trolling liberal discussion groups pushing the NRA agenda of guns for anyone, anywhere, anytime.

They post happy talk about guns and stories of using guns for self-defense. Mainly to offset the daily news reports of mass shootings and gun violence that has pervaded our society. It's basically public relations for the gun culture,

You'll find several examples of the species in this thread. Although I can't call them out by name because it tends to anger them and will result in the gun nut alerting on my post. I know...alerting is a coward's game, but that's how they roll.

[Ranchemp.]

133. And nobody here is doing that, so, per your description,

nobody in this thread is a gun nut.

[X_Digger]

124. The poster is trying their damndest to piss on a thread that didn't go the way they expected.

Shame it's so transparent.

[Ranchemp.]

126. Oh yeah,

it's so obvious it's funny.

[Ranchemp.]

80. Who are the so called "gun nuts" in this thread? eom.

[JoePhilly]

68. Its winter ... wear layers.

[In_The_Wind]

70. That's great. Maybe a tee with a peace sign might be right for the first class.

[arely staircase]

77. I once saw a shirt that said

Arm the Homeless. That might work.

[otohara]

82. Fun and Guns ?

I just don't get it considering they were made for one thing and one thing only.

[Ranchemp.]

84. My wife and I often go out on weekends to have fun target shooting

our firearms, it relaxes us from our stressful careers.

[otohara]

86. Deaths At Shooting Ranges

Be careful out there at the shooting range, all sorts of bad things happen, including death. Anywhere where there are people and guns isn't safe - do you understand that?

https://www.google.com/search?q=shooting+ranges+and+gun+accidents&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a


I swim, bike, listen to music or take a walk to relieve stress insuring no one will die or get injured.

[Ranchemp.]

87. We have our own shooting range on our property,

with all the proper backstops and safety devices in place.

[otohara]

88. Happy Gun Talk

they always claim safety until someone gets injured or killed.

Gosh golly gee how did that happen, we took all the necessary precautions.

[Ranchemp.]

89. Nope, just fact filled talk.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own "facts".

[otohara]

92. Facts Include Thousands Dead

hundreds-of-thousands if you want to add up all the dead since they started keeping track. Your facts can't sweep the victims of guns under the rug no matter how hard you try.

[Ranchemp.]

94. There's been thousands killed at shooting ranges?

I thought that's what you and I were talking about.
Nobody's ever been injured, much less killed at my range.

[arely staircase]

97. where are these gun ranges, Syria? nt

[Jenoch]

127. We bought some hunting/recreational land in norrhern Minnesota a few years ago.

My brother built a shooting bench even before we had a decent wood stove.

[cherokeeprogressive]

90. Drowning, bike vs car, and pedestrian vs car are all common causes of death n/t

[otohara]

91. Yes, I Might Get Killed In My Car

but in the 3 car accidents I've had... I have yet to die, nor in a pool, or even my bike where I suffered a concussion when dogs ran after me. I take a chance when ever I do any of these things.

I don't expect to go to a movie, or school and be shot, but I guess I should in today's angry, hateful gun obsessed America.

[oneshooter]

113. How many have died swimming, or being hit by vehicles while walking.

And remember to keep the volume down while listening to your music. You could could cause hearing loss, possibly deafness in your later years.

[ileus]

95. Get them to buy you a p227/226 also

Both are great pistols for general use.

[arely staircase]

96. I own a nice Belgian Browning 9mm I inherited from my dad.

I have taken it to a range maybe three times sinced he passed a decade ago. But I do know how to disassemble it for cleaning and more importantly reassemble it.

[aikoaiko]

107. That's a very nice firearm.

[Gothmog]

100. I am thinking about getting a CHL just to have an alternative form of voter id

I have been curious about how hard it is to get a CHL. I am or was a decent shot with a .22 target pistol when I was in high school. I have heard that it is not that hard to get a CHL in Texas.

BTW, Texas is one of the few states where a CHL allows one to vote.

[oneshooter]

112. Take a look here.

http://www.stateoftexaschl.com/chl-shooting-test/

[Gothmog]

115. So?

It has been a while but I used to a very good marksman. I clearly would actually practice before taking the test. BTW, I have a client who is ex-Mossad who teaches the course and who could tell me if I could pass.

[SecularMotion]

102. That's Nice Dear

[arely staircase]

103. I actually know lots of liberals who are bigtime into guns

But here in deep east texas mybfellow classmates will not be of the progressive stripe. If I were taking the course in Austin there would undoubtedly be gays, dems openly progressive classmates. Now there are lots of liberal gun owners in East Texas but any random gathering of people here will be overwhelmingly RW so its reall no big deal.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

105. I dono but you might just come as you are as the saying goes.

I know you mean no harm in what what you ask but I cannot help but be reminded of the training cop who had flyers made of Martin in the form of targets as a no shoot training activity.
The training cop it seems according to his statement to the press believed he was doing a good thing . Thing of it is it wasn't at all a good idea.

If you are actually going to go for it ,it is best you take it very seriously.

[arely staircase]

106. nah. I might wear my Obama shirt but that would be it.

And probably not that.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

110. Obama 08

I have a knack for ticking off the right wing nuts. Trust me, that one will say it all!

[Hoyt]

111. Wish more gunners could say "they will never actually walk around town with a gun." Good attitude.

[arely staircase]

114. I am not sure I think of myself as a gunner

I own a few guns, mostvi inherited and have sentimental value. None have left the safe in over a year. Back when I used to regularly hunt quail with my dad I guess it might have applied. I guess owning them and having more familiarity with and knowledge of them than the average DUr makes it relatively true. But I strongly support extended background checks and do not believe military grade weapons like AR 15s should be aavailable to the general public. The only sense in which I consider my guns to serve a self defense function is that I suppose if my home were broken into in the night I would probably get a shotgun out of the safe. Lock the bedroom door and call 911 and hunker behind the bed. So yes I'm goingbto get my carry license but I will never actually use it.

[SecularMotion]

117. Be careful, guns don't make you safer

NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident

A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot Saturday during an NRA class to receive certification to carry a concealed weapon, Orlando police said.

Robert Frauman Jr., 50, was taken to Florida Hospital after instructor Michael Phillips' firearm discharged about 11:45 a.m., police said.

Phillips, 32, could not be reached for comment. The accident happened at Summit Church, located in a former movie theater near the Fashion Square mall.

The bullet went through a table before it hit Frauman, said Kristy-Lee Lawley, the church's communications director. She said Frauman, a member of the church, was "recovering well" and the bullet didn't break any bones.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-21/news/os-nra-gun-instructor-shoots-student-022020100220_1_gun-safety-nra-church-s-communications-director

[arely staircase]

119. agree completely. nt

[Duckhunter935]

128. no "military grade weapons"?

My AR-15 is not military grade, it is a civilian model semi automatic rifle that has been around for 50 years.
but what about.....

My Colt 1911
My two Bolt Action Mosin Nagant rifles

Those are military grade

A Remington 700 bolt action rifle?

[arely staircase]

131. Poor choice of words

What needs to be regulated is the ability of an individual to discharge large amounts of ordinance in a short period of time. So obviously I think a Colt service revolver is fine. An AR 15 would be fine too but not if the person is also in posession of multiple high capacity clips. Workable formulas could be arrived at.

[Duckhunter935]

134. Workable formulas could be arrived at?

What do you suggest?

I have ten 20 round magazines when I go to the range. Too many? We can go though those in an hour or less. I have a couple of 30 rounders from when I was in the military but I do not use those. Too long and heavy.

My Rugar holds 15

[arely staircase]

136. yes too many in my opinion

One twenty round clip is fine. You can just reload it an use it again.

[Duckhunter935]

137. Thats why it is your opinion

Because it is just right in my opinion. Others may want more. Another great thing about an AR is I can change the upper and have a longer barrel for long range targets without having to buy another rifle.

[DrewFlorida]

132. I vote, "Justice For Trayvon Tshirt".

[Duckhunter935]

135. Have mine from OK

I do not carry but I want to have the option and be legal. DD214 and shooting portion is not required. 8 hour class on safe handling and laws.

I say go for it. All the guys I go to the range are more on the liberal side.