Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:27 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
How Will YOU Know When The Overthrow Of Our Democracy Is Complete ???
TPP gets ratified and signed ???
Supreme Court affirms the NSA's right to total awareness ??? Electronic voting, purge lists, etc. Or... has it already happened... Election 2000 ??? Patriot Act, post 9-11 ??? ![]()
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Author | Time | Post |
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WillyT | Jan 2014 | OP |
GreenEyedLefty | Jan 2014 | #1 | |
xfundy | Jan 2014 | #6 | |
Nye Bevan | Jan 2014 | #2 | |
Bonobo | Jan 2014 | #3 | |
WillyT | Jan 2014 | #4 | |
Nye Bevan | Jan 2014 | #9 | |
Bonobo | Jan 2014 | #11 | |
NuclearDem | Jan 2014 | #5 | |
WillyT | Jan 2014 | #8 | |
left on green only | Jan 2014 | #23 | |
Coyotl | Jan 2014 | #7 | |
Nye Bevan | Jan 2014 | #10 | |
Coyotl | Jan 2014 | #12 | |
Go Vols | Jan 2014 | #17 | |
Lars39 | Jan 2014 | #14 | |
Shampoobra | Jan 2014 | #20 | |
Nye Bevan | Jan 2014 | #21 | |
Dread Pirate Roberts | Jan 2014 | #22 | |
left on green only | Jan 2014 | #24 | |
factsarenotfair | Jan 2014 | #27 | |
Zorra | Jan 2014 | #30 | |
Beearewhyain | Jan 2014 | #13 | |
WillyT | Jan 2014 | #15 | |
Beearewhyain | Jan 2014 | #16 | |
enlightenment | Jan 2014 | #31 | |
Gordon Alf Shumway | Jan 2014 | #18 | |
Egalitarian Thug | Jan 2014 | #19 | |
CFLDem | Jan 2014 | #25 | |
polichick | Jan 2014 | #26 | |
JoePhilly | Jan 2014 | #28 | |
brooklynite | Jan 2014 | #29 |
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:37 PM
GreenEyedLefty (1,984 posts)
1. When I am touched by any of the above, personally.
John Locke alluded to this in his treatises on government... that revolution becomes necessary when people can feel the tyranny.
"But if a long train of abuses, prevarications and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people, and they cannot but feel, what they lie under, and whither they are going, 'tis not to be wondered, that they should then rouse themselves, and endeavour to put the rule into such hands, which may secure to them the ends for which government was at first enacted". (Second Treatise, Chapter 19). I think people are so blinded by party allegiance that they cannot see that the line between the two parties is so thin as to be virtually non-existent. I confess to be one of these people. It hurts me to think that my party is as bought and sold as the Republican party, but it is looking to be so. It's painful to contemplate. |
Response to GreenEyedLefty (Reply #1)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:13 PM
xfundy (5,105 posts)
6. "..the line between the two parties is so thin as to be virtually non-existent."
Uh huh.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:04 PM
Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)
2. When the elections are canceled (nt)
Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:06 PM
Bonobo (29,257 posts)
3. Why cancel them
When you can control the process and always get favorable results while still maintaining the illusion of choice?
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Response to Bonobo (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:10 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
4. Yep... In Poker... That's Known As A "Tell"...
Better to keep 'em docile. No need to let 'em know...
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Response to Bonobo (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:24 PM
Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)
9. So the corporate overlords preferred Obama to Romney?
And they wanted a Democratic senate?
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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:27 PM
Bonobo (29,257 posts)
11. No, either were acceptable.
Like giving your kid a choice at mealtime: you can have either the broccoli or the kale. See? It's your choice!
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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:13 PM
NuclearDem (16,184 posts)
5. I don't know, one stolen election, gerrymandering,
a bullshit two party system that holds a gun to voters' heads and gets them to vote for one or the other by almost the simple virtue that they're "not the other guy" and then subsequently go off to behave not vastly different from each other, and where the only viable candidates have to raise millions or billions of dollars and subsequently indebt themselves to their wealthy donors.
Yeah, fucking spectacular elections those are. |
Response to NuclearDem (Reply #5)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:22 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
8. THIS... (I Don't Know How To Make An Up Arrow)...
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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:26 AM
left on green only (1,484 posts)
23. Upper Case Number "6"
No reason to blush.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:21 PM
Coyotl (15,262 posts)
7. A grade B actor becomes President should be clue enough, right?
Response to Coyotl (Reply #7)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:24 PM
Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)
10. How about a peanut farmer? (nt)
Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:28 PM
Coyotl (15,262 posts)
12. Has to be someone, but the peanut farmer wasn't working for a gang of crooks and robber barons.
Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:55 PM
Lars39 (23,841 posts)
14. Didn't hear of Reagan majoring in reactor technology
and nuclear physics at grad school.
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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:10 AM
Shampoobra (423 posts)
20. The peanut farmer also studied post-graduate-level reactor technology and nuclear physics ...
... (after earning a Bachelor of Science degree from the U.S. Naval Academy), then taught himself peanut farming at the public library, then made a fortune farming peanuts (before entering politics and becoming governor and president). He's not some dumb hick who won the jackpot at the national ballot box. He owes his accomplishments to a very high IQ.
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Response to Shampoobra (Reply #20)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:11 AM
Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)
21. OK, point taken. I didn't know that (nt)
Response to Shampoobra (Reply #20)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:15 AM
Dread Pirate Roberts (1,616 posts)
22. I have to add that the Peanut Farmer
was one of the most decent men to ever hold the office. That's why he took such a beating in popular public opinion.
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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #22)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:31 AM
left on green only (1,484 posts)
24. Amen. I don't think we even deserved a president of his caliber
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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:02 AM
factsarenotfair (910 posts)
27. He was more than just a "peanut farmer."
James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician who served as the 39th President of the United States (1977–1981) and was awarded the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the only U.S. President to have received the Prize after leaving office. Before he became President, Carter, a Democrat, served as a U.S. Naval officer, was a peanut farmer, served two terms as a Georgia State Senator and one as Governor of Georgia (1971–1975).[2]
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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:09 AM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
30. Farmers are almost generally very practical people, who actually know how to grow their own food.
I doubt Reagan could grow a chia pet.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:30 PM
Beearewhyain (600 posts)
13. I like many of your posts
And I think you have a dynamic mind but the answer to your question is...
When I am not able to see a post like this. Yes, there are many disturbing things going on in this country but I am not gonna give it up yet because "the overthrow of democracy is (not) complete". And that requires me (and you) to keep it that way. |
Response to Beearewhyain (Reply #13)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:00 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
15. "When I am not able to see a post like this."
It would be a tad late by then, don't you think?
Gotta ask that question NOW. And BTW - thanks for the compliment. ![]() |
Response to WillyT (Reply #15)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:22 PM
Beearewhyain (600 posts)
16. That is, in fact, my point
We survived Bush V. Gore
We survived NAFTA We survived even the patriot act. But we are still here...discussing, debating, arguing even over the minutia of any of these policies. I think there is a lot wrong with the system as it is presently but we are still here, on the fringe, saying that it can be better. Democracy has not ended...it just has a terrible salesperson; or is it us? |
Response to Beearewhyain (Reply #16)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:15 AM
enlightenment (8,830 posts)
31. "Survived" is
a pretty fluid term, though.
Have we "survived" Bush v Gore? Seems to me that the impact of that election still echoes. NAFTA? The consequences of NAFTA still haunt us - and we're apparently headed toward doubling down on a bad deal with the passage of the TPP. The Patriot Act? Still around, still informing policy and law. Just because they didn't round us up and send us to gulags doesn't mean we "survived" it. Just that we've dodged it. The bigger issue isn't draconian security laws, though - it is the erosion of the concept of a republic, replaced by an informal oligarchy. Why should giant corporations or paid politicians care about the mutterings of the fringe, beyond the mild annoyance of having to occasionally pretend they are paying attention to the buzzing in their ears? |
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:33 PM
Gordon Alf Shumway (53 posts)
18. Just look in the rear view mirror ...
You'll see it.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:34 PM
Egalitarian Thug (12,448 posts)
19. Selection 2000 was the final seal for me. K&R
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:57 AM
CFLDem (2,083 posts)
25. I'd say we haven't been a democracy since at least the 1950's
but the patriot act pretty much sealed the deal.
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:01 AM
polichick (37,151 posts)
26. I agree with others here that it happened a long time ago...
So why are we bothering with the Democratic Party?
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Response to WillyT (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:04 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
28. After the government's zombie apocalypse.
Response to WillyT (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:06 AM
brooklynite (67,978 posts)
29. When people on a blog site can't complain about the overthrow of our Democracy...
Personally, I'm not getting worked up.
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