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Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:27 PM

 

How Will YOU Know When The Overthrow Of Our Democracy Is Complete ???

TPP gets ratified and signed ???

Supreme Court affirms the NSA's right to total awareness ???

Electronic voting, purge lists, etc.

Or... has it already happened...

Election 2000 ???

Patriot Act, post 9-11 ???




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Reply How Will YOU Know When The Overthrow Of Our Democracy Is Complete ??? (Original post)
WillyT Jan 2014 OP
GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #1
xfundy Jan 2014 #6
Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #2
Bonobo Jan 2014 #3
WillyT Jan 2014 #4
Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #9
Bonobo Jan 2014 #11
NuclearDem Jan 2014 #5
WillyT Jan 2014 #8
left on green only Jan 2014 #23
Coyotl Jan 2014 #7
Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #10
Coyotl Jan 2014 #12
Go Vols Jan 2014 #17
Lars39 Jan 2014 #14
Shampoobra Jan 2014 #20
Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #21
Dread Pirate Roberts Jan 2014 #22
left on green only Jan 2014 #24
factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #27
Zorra Jan 2014 #30
Beearewhyain Jan 2014 #13
WillyT Jan 2014 #15
Beearewhyain Jan 2014 #16
enlightenment Jan 2014 #31
Gordon Alf Shumway Jan 2014 #18
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #19
CFLDem Jan 2014 #25
polichick Jan 2014 #26
JoePhilly Jan 2014 #28
brooklynite Jan 2014 #29

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:37 PM

1. When I am touched by any of the above, personally.

John Locke alluded to this in his treatises on government... that revolution becomes necessary when people can feel the tyranny.

"But if a long train of abuses, prevarications and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people, and they cannot but feel, what they lie under, and whither they are going, 'tis not to be wondered, that they should then rouse themselves, and endeavour to put the rule into such hands, which may secure to them the ends for which government was at first enacted". (Second Treatise, Chapter 19).

I think people are so blinded by party allegiance that they cannot see that the line between the two parties is so thin as to be virtually non-existent. I confess to be one of these people. It hurts me to think that my party is as bought and sold as the Republican party, but it is looking to be so. It's painful to contemplate.

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Response to GreenEyedLefty (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:13 PM

6. "..the line between the two parties is so thin as to be virtually non-existent."

Uh huh.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:04 PM

2. When the elections are canceled (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:06 PM

3. Why cancel them

When you can control the process and always get favorable results while still maintaining the illusion of choice?

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:10 PM

4. Yep... In Poker... That's Known As A "Tell"...

 

Better to keep 'em docile. No need to let 'em know...


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Response to Bonobo (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:24 PM

9. So the corporate overlords preferred Obama to Romney?

And they wanted a Democratic senate?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:27 PM

11. No, either were acceptable.

Like giving your kid a choice at mealtime: you can have either the broccoli or the kale. See? It's your choice!

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:13 PM

5. I don't know, one stolen election, gerrymandering,

 

a bullshit two party system that holds a gun to voters' heads and gets them to vote for one or the other by almost the simple virtue that they're "not the other guy" and then subsequently go off to behave not vastly different from each other, and where the only viable candidates have to raise millions or billions of dollars and subsequently indebt themselves to their wealthy donors.

Yeah, fucking spectacular elections those are.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:22 PM

8. THIS... (I Don't Know How To Make An Up Arrow)...

 




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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:26 AM

23. Upper Case Number "6"

No reason to blush.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:21 PM

7. A grade B actor becomes President should be clue enough, right?

 

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:24 PM

10. How about a peanut farmer? (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:28 PM

12. Has to be someone, but the peanut farmer wasn't working for a gang of crooks and robber barons.

 

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:30 PM

17. +1

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:55 PM

14. Didn't hear of Reagan majoring in reactor technology

and nuclear physics at grad school.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:10 AM

20. The peanut farmer also studied post-graduate-level reactor technology and nuclear physics ...

... (after earning a Bachelor of Science degree from the U.S. Naval Academy), then taught himself peanut farming at the public library, then made a fortune farming peanuts (before entering politics and becoming governor and president). He's not some dumb hick who won the jackpot at the national ballot box. He owes his accomplishments to a very high IQ.

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Response to Shampoobra (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:11 AM

21. OK, point taken. I didn't know that (nt)

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Response to Shampoobra (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:15 AM

22. I have to add that the Peanut Farmer

was one of the most decent men to ever hold the office. That's why he took such a beating in popular public opinion.

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:31 AM

24. Amen. I don't think we even deserved a president of his caliber

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:02 AM

27. He was more than just a "peanut farmer."

James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician who served as the 39th President of the United States (19771981) and was awarded the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the only U.S. President to have received the Prize after leaving office. Before he became President, Carter, a Democrat, served as a U.S. Naval officer, was a peanut farmer, served two terms as a Georgia State Senator and one as Governor of Georgia (19711975).[2]
wikipedia

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:09 AM

30. Farmers are almost generally very practical people, who actually know how to grow their own food.

I doubt Reagan could grow a chia pet.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:30 PM

13. I like many of your posts

And I think you have a dynamic mind but the answer to your question is...

When I am not able to see a post like this.

Yes, there are many disturbing things going on in this country but I am not gonna give it up yet because "the overthrow of democracy is (not) complete". And that requires me (and you) to keep it that way.

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Response to Beearewhyain (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:00 PM

15. "When I am not able to see a post like this."

 

It would be a tad late by then, don't you think?

Gotta ask that question NOW.

And BTW - thanks for the compliment.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:22 PM

16. That is, in fact, my point

We survived Bush V. Gore

We survived NAFTA

We survived even the patriot act. But we are still here...discussing, debating, arguing even over the minutia of any of these policies. I think there is a lot wrong with the system as it is presently but we are still here, on the fringe, saying that it can be better. Democracy has not ended...it just has a terrible salesperson; or is it us?

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Response to Beearewhyain (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:15 AM

31. "Survived" is

a pretty fluid term, though.

Have we "survived" Bush v Gore? Seems to me that the impact of that election still echoes. NAFTA? The consequences of NAFTA still haunt us - and we're apparently headed toward doubling down on a bad deal with the passage of the TPP. The Patriot Act? Still around, still informing policy and law. Just because they didn't round us up and send us to gulags doesn't mean we "survived" it. Just that we've dodged it.

The bigger issue isn't draconian security laws, though - it is the erosion of the concept of a republic, replaced by an informal oligarchy. Why should giant corporations or paid politicians care about the mutterings of the fringe, beyond the mild annoyance of having to occasionally pretend they are paying attention to the buzzing in their ears?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:33 PM

18. Just look in the rear view mirror ...

You'll see it.

Caution! Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:34 PM

19. Selection 2000 was the final seal for me. K&R

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:57 AM

25. I'd say we haven't been a democracy since at least the 1950's

 

but the patriot act pretty much sealed the deal.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:01 AM

26. I agree with others here that it happened a long time ago...

So why are we bothering with the Democratic Party?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:04 AM

28. After the government's zombie apocalypse.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:06 AM

29. When people on a blog site can't complain about the overthrow of our Democracy...

Personally, I'm not getting worked up.

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