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quinnox

(20,600 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:14 AM Jan 2014

Conan the Barbarian's famous quote on What is good in life? - he didn't really say it


One of the most famous quotes, perhaps the most famous quote, from Conan is: "Conan! What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

As brilliant as director/writer John Milius is, he did not invent this dialogue. Who did? Was it taken from the Conan script by Oliver Stone that was rewritten by Milius? No, it came from a book. I know what you're thinking... a Robert E. Howard book, right? Wrong! Milius actually lifted it from a book by Harlod Lamb titled, GENGHIS KAHN: THE EMPEROR OF ALL MEN, pages 106-107:

One day in the pavilion at Karakorum he [Genghis Kahn] asked an officer of the Mongol guard what, in all the world, could bring the greatest happiness.

"The open steppe, a clear day, and a swift horse under you," responded the officer after a little thought, "and a falcon on your wrist to start up hares."

"Nay," responded the Kahn, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet -- to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."

www.barbariankeep.com/ctbsecrets.html

So, now you know. I am proud to serve to clear up misconceptions about the famous fictional, hyper-masculine and macho hero Conan. Maybe he was really a sensitive guy at heart, just misunderstood.
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Conan the Barbarian's famous quote on What is good in life? - he didn't really say it (Original Post) quinnox Jan 2014 OP
I highly doubt Kahn said that either NoOneMan Jan 2014 #1
Nah... Conan was just riffing on an obvious idol of his. flying rabbit Jan 2014 #2
A wolf is no less a wolf... countryjake Jan 2014 #3
All in all, I kinda prefer what the officer said. Beearewhyain Jan 2014 #4
That always reminds me of this quote from Lawrence of Arabia: petronius Jan 2014 #5
Except he wasn't a river to his people. Marr Jan 2014 #8
Still a river, just 1/3 of it was diverted - a rivulet, then petronius Jan 2014 #10
Oh my god... how do I awlays miss these things? Marr Jan 2014 #13
That also may be where the dogs-chasing-Conan scene came from. Marr Jan 2014 #6
Sounds like the Old Testament. Kurovski Jan 2014 #7
Kahn Like to Quote Melville actually Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #9
The greatest happiness Vattel Jan 2014 #11
Chris Christie is "CONEMAN THE BARBARIAN" napkinz Jan 2014 #12

flying rabbit

(4,997 posts)
2. Nah... Conan was just riffing on an obvious idol of his.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jan 2014

...cause that' s how he rolls. Riffing and shit.:barbarian smiley:

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
3. A wolf is no less a wolf...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jan 2014

because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

Beearewhyain

(600 posts)
4. All in all, I kinda prefer what the officer said.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:11 AM
Jan 2014

Sounds like an awesome day minus the pillaging and lamentations, which to tell the truth don't do much for me.

petronius

(26,700 posts)
5. That always reminds me of this quote from Lawrence of Arabia:
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jan 2014

"I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies' tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure, yet I am poor! Because *I* am a river to my people!"



I prefer Auda's philosophy - Conan and Genghis didn't seem so keen on being a river to the people...
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
8. Except he wasn't a river to his people.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:16 AM
Jan 2014

Laurence makes it clear that he knows Auda is secretly keeping much of the wealth he extracts from the Turks for himself. He's a bit of a... well, a thief.

I love that movie. Someone recently pointed out the pivotal scene to me, which I never really got in all the times I've watched it. It's when Laurence is standing in the desert and he sees that ship go by beyond a dune. Someone repeatedly calls to him, asking, "who are you?", and Laurence just stands there slack-jawed. I always just assumed it was because he's just been through a traumatic event, but as it was pointed out to me, that's the scene that really clobbers you over the head with Laurence's identity crisis.

petronius

(26,700 posts)
10. Still a river, just 1/3 of it was diverted - a rivulet, then
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:29 AM
Jan 2014


I've seen some references - the Wiki page mentions it, for instance - that Auda's descendants really didn't like his portrayal in the movie. Perhaps that skimming of the turkish payoff was part of their objection.

I really like that canal scene as well, and I think it's supposed to be echoed at the very end: the person at the canal as I recall was a motorcycle courier, and at the very end of the movie another courier zips by just before Lawrence's chauffeur asks "Home, sir? Going home?" I guess the "who are you?" question was never really answered...

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
13. Oh my god... how do I awlays miss these things?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks! That's really cool, and yet another thing I never noticed.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
6. That also may be where the dogs-chasing-Conan scene came from.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jan 2014

Ghengis Khan is said to have been terrified of dogs.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
11. The greatest happiness
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 07:32 AM
Jan 2014

is a day at the beach, boogie boarding, grilling, and then a fire, and cuddling with the one you love.

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