The Occupy Movement Was The Response To Inequality. Look How Brutally It Was Put Down.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Even now anyone connected with the Occupy movement is being hunted like a terrorist. And such vicious counter attack for pro worker movements should alert all Americans that we are losing our country.

[brooklynite]

1. Engage in hyperbolie much?

anyone connected with the Occupy movement is being hunted like a terrorist

[sabrina 1]

17. Hyberbole or not, OWS members WERE treated like terrorists, many so brutally beaten they

came close to dying. Was there ANY reason for the brutality against unarmed peaceful protesters in a so-called Democracy?

I should say 'legitmate' reason. We KNOW the reason actually.

Glad to see they are still going strong though in spite of the efforts to shut them down.

[WatermelonRat]

23. ...You're familiar with how we treat terrorists, right?

[img][/img]

[sabrina 1]

32. "Occupy Wall Street Labelled "Terrorists" by the FBI"

Occupy Wall Street Labelled "Terrorists'" by the FBI

FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act demands reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat even though the agency acknowledges in documents that organizers explicitly called for peaceful protest and did “not condone the use of violence” at occupy protests.

These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.

Yes, we all know how we treat those we label terrorists which makes this doubly terrifying and explains the brutality that went unpunished against OWS/Terrorists. We rarely get any proof that those labeled terrorists are actually terrorists. National Security etc. We are told 'just trust us'.

So, knowing how we treat terrorists once they are labeled as such, do you consider the OP to be hyperbole or perhaps a rational reaction to the knowledge that your own Government has labeled you a 'terrorist'? I find it terrifying that this is even possible and anyone who doesn't is either complicit or willfully blind.

[randome]

36. 'Potential'.

As were the threesome who tried to blow up the...what, Cleveland bridge, was it? I forget. Any large groups of protesters should be monitored. Do you agree with that?

(It's a trick question.)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[sabrina 1]

37. You didn't read the FOIA documents. If you had you would have learned that this 'surveillance' began

while OWS was ONLY in the planning stages. Before the even had their first protest!! Labled 'Terrorists'. Amazing, isn't it? Terrorists, for planning a protest, an actual 1st Amendment right of all US citizens! Surely even the most anti Social Justice Movement advocates would sense SOMETHING not 'quite right' about that in a Democracy?

You would also have learned that the FBI KNEW they were urging 'peaceful protests' but labeled them terrorists anyhow.

Try again ... this one was a dud.

[randome]

49. They were NOT labeled as 'terrorists'. They were labeled as 'potential terrorists'.

That's bureaucracy for you. Any proof that Occupiers are being 'hunted' as stated in the OP?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[sabrina 1]

52. Let's turn that around, knowing what we now know, that the FBI labelled OWS IN THE PLANNING

STAGES AS A 'TERRORIST THREAT, do YOU have any proof that the Occupiers, especially the thousands who were arrested, FALSELY as they later proved in court due to lies told by the Robo Cops, were NOT being hunted down as terrorists?

I eg, called the Chief of Police in Colorado I believe, when OWS protesters 'disappeared' after being arrested. I wanted to know why there was no information available on their whereabouts. Interestingly the cop who answered my call appeared to agree with me that this was 'unconscienable' considering we were talking about a peaceful protest. He urged me not to 'give up' trying to get answers. He told me 'I am happy you called'. Some public servants were themselves SHOCKED by the treatment of these peaceful protesters but were afraid to speak out, understandably.

Are you saying you support the use of the word 'terrorist' by Government Agencies in relation to US Citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights? That would be absolutely shocking to see here on a Democratic Forum so I'm assuming I must be misunderstanding you ...

[MrMickeysMom]

59. Labels...

Nathaniel Hawthorn could also write about such "terrorists" these days…

[WillyT]

34. ... --- ...

Sorry... it doesn't feel like hyperbole.

[sabrina 1]

38. It isn't. See my links to the FOIA revelations where the FBI labeled OWS Terrorists DURING THE

PLANNING stages. Before they ever appeared on the streets?? Which kind of explains those photos, doesn't it? After all if you are dealing with 'terrorists', ANYTHING goes!!

Btw, what happened to all those who were mocking the OP?

[WillyT]

41. THANK YOU !!!

[Th1onein]

44. Uh.......I think that is true, brooklynite. Not hyperbole at all.

If they are being classified as a terrorist organization, it stands to reason that their leaders are looked at as terrorists. And, in case you haven't heard, we are engaged in a war on terror.

[MineralMan]

2. Really? "hunted like a terrorist?"

I hardly think that's correct. We have participants right here on DU. In fact, I participated. Nobody appears to be hunting me or the other DUers.

I think you are exaggerating.

The public protests of Occupy are done, it appears. It was a pretty short-lived public phenomenon, sadly. Disorganized and not unified, it appears to have largely perished through lack of common ground on any particular issue.

[1000words]

8. Not sure what you participated in ...

but the description of your experience seems convenient.

[Kelvin Mace]

11. I worked with them for about a year

and got major hassle from the SS when Obama was in town and I was sent to deliver some hand written letters. Not a pleasant experience, but no one was arrested or "hunted" in our neck of the woods.

We did discover that one of the local pols who was "supporting" us was a police informer which royally pissed us off.

That is not to say that some OW folk were not victims of police abuse, because the certainly were, but "hunted like a terrorist" is over the top.

There was some good done by the OW crowd, but I must concur with the above poster that they were also very disorganized and worked against each other as much as they worked with each other at times.

[1000words]

13. Horizontal leadership means it's going to take time and will test resolve.

That was a statement, in itself.

[Kelvin Mace]

15. Agreed

Trouble is, the modern world really doesn't work that way. Not criticism, just an observation. When you can't do anything without consensus, very little gets done.

[sabrina 1]

47. Yes, funny, I remember most of DU's Occupiers, wonderful people, all of them.

But for some reason I do not recall this poster as an 'Occupier'. More of a critic actually. But I could be wrong of course.

[bvar22]

16. "perished through lack of common ground on any particular issue"

LOL




Obama State of the Union BEFORE OWS:
Austerity for the Working Class.
"Time to Eat-Our-Peas!"

Obama State of the Union AFTER OWS:
Income inequality is the biggest problem.
Economic Fairness for the 99% is a priority.

I would call that a stunning victory achieved by a handful of people willing to actually fight for Economic Justice instead of just voting for the least of the worst.
The Language of OWS has been injected into the everyday language of EVERY American.
Changing the LANGUAGE is only the first step, but it is an immensely powerful step.

Perished?
Only in Wishful Thinking imaginations of those who oppose Economic Fairness for EVERYBODY.
Rolling Jubilee: A Bailout by The People for The People. $15, 000,000 bought and disposed of!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12529274

[randome]

27. Your little graphic is tiresome and hyperbolic in the extreme.

In the same tiresome mode as USGovtOwesUsThreeTrillion's Snowden-as-Paul-Revere meme.

In fact, your graphic has become a kind of meaningless soundbite on its own.

No one said anything like what your graphic says. What was said was that Occupy was disorganized and should have focused on a few key issues. Instead, the entire movement fell apart when it could have done a great deal more than 'changing the conversation'.

Hell, I can change the conversation. So can you. So what?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

31. Maybe to YOU it is tiresome.

Others LOVE it.
I wonder why it offends YOU so much?

I posted as a reply to someone who stated that caption nearly word for word as an attack on OWS. As long as people continue to post that nonsense about OWS failing because it didn't have a unified message, I will keep on posting it.

You can put me on ignore,
or get used to it.

Balls in YOUR court.

BTW: This one is for you!

[randome]

33. Offends me? Nothing offends me. Simply pointing out how tiresome and reflexive it has become.

Early on in a discussion about Occupy, you reach for your graphic, thinking you can settle every conversation in one fell swoop.

Not everyone thinks the same way as you. Many of us believe in making the world a better place but recognize reality: that Occupy threw away a major opportunity and came away with a meager 'changed the conversation' result.

We need so much more than that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

76. Nothing offends you?

well, THERE is your problem.

American citizens being treated as terrorists for exercising their Constitutional Rights of Peaceful Assembly [font size=3]offends ME to the MAX[/font].
Creeps me out that it does NOT offend you.

One thing we know for sure,
OWS is now living RENT FREE in YOUR head,
or you wouldn't bother with these threads.
If that were their only achievement, I would support them.

Pretty good for a handful of Hippies demanding Economic Fairness!
Only the Willfully Blind can't figure out what OWS was/is about,
or pretend they don't know what it is about.


Occupy continues to Change the World
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12529274

Pretty good for a handful of Hippies.


Here is a few more.... just for YOU,
and for the place where OWS is STILL Living Rent Free in your head!

[randome]

78. Taking offense clouds one's mind.

There are people on this board who agree with making the world a better place but you won't have anything to do with them because, in your mind, only blind obedience to the concept of 'Occupy' is permitted.

'Occupy' is a verb, not a noun. It never became what we needed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

81. And NOW you claim to be a Mind Reader?

Is there no level of fantasy or absurdity to which you will not stoop to defend the indefensible?

American citizens should NOT be "offended" when our government uses our Tax Payer money to spy on us, and target peaceful protestors for violent dispersal.
Are those the guys YOU are defending as "making the world a better place"?

Yikes.
I will not go gentle into that good night.


"Occupy" is now a noun too.
Conservatives always fear change.
Get used to it.

[sabrina 1]

39. I LOVE that graphic. It encapsulates the anti Social Justice crowd perfectly and succinctly.

What do you have to say about the revelations through the FOIA that OWS were labeled as 'terrorists' by the FBI BEFORE they even began their protests? You support that? Citizens planning a peaceful protest in the US are 'terrorists' now? Enquiring minds are interested in your expert opinion on OWS.

[randome]

50. 'Potential' terrorists. All large groups of protesters should be monitored by LE.

Or do you think they should all turn a blind eye to the machinations of the Tea Party and abortion doctor killers, etc.?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[sabrina 1]

58. Name a few that were labeled 'terrorist threats BEFORE they even began?? I think it was the

title of the movement which delivered their ONE DEMAND right in the name they chose: 'Occupy Wall St'. No mistaking that message is there, and they didn't, did they?

I will check back for links to other movements who were labeled as 'terrorist threats' BEFORE they even started. Spooky to know they were under surveillance even as they were in the planning stages. I was watching them also and cheered at what they were planning. But then, I'm just an ordinary Liberal Dem who always cheers for Social Justice.

[Th1onein]

45. You need to start a thread on this. I wish I could rec your post.

[bvar22]

77. Thanks!

"I wish I could rec your post"

You just did,
but some find the graphic "tiresome".
I wonder why?

[sabrina 1]

18. Well if you participated, as did I and many others I know, you are aware of the brutality used to

try to shut them up. You are aware that the brutal reaction, the beatings and near killing of several peaceful protesters alarmed the UN Rappateur on Human Rights so much that he appealed to the US Government to intervene on their behalf.

The proper response to hyperbolic statements would be to provide a more accurate accounting and in the case of the Government's reaction to this movement, the facts are bad enough that we don't need to exaggerate them at all.

As far as I know the US Government did not respond to the UN Rappateur's request as not only did they NOT protect the people from the brutality, the thousands of false arrests perpetrated against them, they appear to have been complicit in the attacks.

[notundecided]

53. Occupy never really had widespread support

I have a bumper sticker on my truck ( We Are The 99%) I live in NJ.....haven't seen another one in two tears.

[sabrina 1]

56. I've been in Ca, Az and NY over the past two years and have seen them all over the place. Az

surprised me, considering its reputation as a red state. A whole lot of support there for OWS. They do love 'Rage at the Machine' there for some reason. They gave concerts to packed out audiences several times in Prescott Valley while I was there. I wondered if they knew how Liberal that band is. Huge supporters of OWS.

[notundecided]

65. Glad you've seen them

I've travelled across the country twice in the last two years and haven't seen any.

[sabrina 1]

67. I don't have one on my car, never did. Nor do most of my friends who are huge supporters of OWS.

While I have seen them on cars, I wouldn't use that as a way to determine anything. Some people like bumber stickers and some don't. Most don't actually come to think of it. I don't see many cars with bumper stickers at all. Maybe with all the crazies out there, people prefer not to broadcast their political affiliations.

[El_Johns]

68. Close to 8000 arrests. Many of which went to trial.

http://stpeteforpeace.org/occupyarrests.sources.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/05/occupy-wall-street-protester-found-not-guilty-first-trial-video.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/occupy-wall-street-loses-trinity-church-trial.html

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/05/in_second_occup.php

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168339/trials-begin-occupy-wall-street-d17-arrestees-nato-3

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/07/occupy-protester-trial-twitter

etc.

It was counterrerrorism units (federal and state) monitoring OWS, and internal documents use both "potential terrorists" & just plain old "terrorists" or "domestic terrorists".

[sweetapogee]

3. for your own safety

you should lay low. You don't want those black copters flying over your house. It might make the neighbors nervous.

[sabrina 1]

40. Absolutely, especially after reading the Documents revealed through the FOIA act regarding the

Government's reactions to OWS. 'Terrorists' they were labeled by the FBI. In the PLANNING stages! THAT is scary don't you think?

[NCTraveler]

4. Didn't know it was put down.

For someone who is supposedly being hunted down like a terrorist, I seem to be publicly running a business, going out for fun on weekends, and not running from anyone.

[Egalitarian Thug]

5. Ignore the jackasses, they have yet to be on the receiving end,

so it's really working out well very well for them, and like any authoritarian, they fear the possibility of being subject to what they dole out.

[1000words]

6. Occupy was ignored and ridiculed until "Move Your Money."

That punch connected, and it wasn't too long after there was a coordinated effort to quash it.

[Th1onein]

46. You know what? You're right.

Thanks for reminding us of that.

[TroglodyteScholar]

48. Intersting, I wouldn't have thought of that.

Definitely plausible.

[rhett o rick]

7. The conservatives dont like Occupy as can be seen in this thread. They support "Big Authoritarian

Daddy" government. They dont like whistle-blowers, investigative journalists, protestors, Code Pink, Wikileaks, etc.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Dude

While I agree with you that Occupy members were treated like shit, I don't know any of us who were "hunted like a terrorist".

Let's choose our words carefully or we lose credibility.

[BelgianMadCow]

10. "considered" a terrorist would have been better

like people standing up to protect their environment are, both in the US and over here.

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Yeah, I agree more with that

I was amazed at how the police were afraid of us and were convinced we were "anarchists" and violent. Cops in our area were heavily into surveillance which came out recently.

[geek tragedy]

14. "anyone connected with the Occupy movement is being hunted like a terrorist."

oh lordy.

[sabrina 1]

20. 'Oh lordy' indeed: "Occupy Wall Street Labelled "Terrorists" by the FBI"

Occupy Wall Street labelled "terrorists" by the FBI

FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act demands reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat even though the agency acknowledges in documents that organizers explicitly called for peaceful protest and did “not condone the use of violence” at occupy protests.

These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.

I've got plenty more on those FOIA documents. Seems the OP is only mildly hyperbolic after all. Although there is no need for hyperbole when the FACTS THEMSELVES are so outrageous. Well outrageous to those who value their Constitutional Rights and Democracy in general.

[bvar22]

19. "Homeland Security Kept Tabs on Occupy Wall Street"

It’s never a good thing to see a government agency talk in secret about the need to “control protestors” – especially when that agency is charged with protecting the homeland against terrorists, not nonviolent demonstrators exercising their First Amendment rights to peaceable dissent.

<snip>

What’s more, there have been reports that Homeland Security played an active role in coordinating the nationwide crackdown on the Occupy movement last November – putting the federal government in the position of targeting its own citizens in the name of national security. There is not much of a bureaucratic leap, if history is any guide, between a seemingly benign call for "continuous situational awareness" and the onset of a covert and illegal campaign of domestic surveillance.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/exclusive-homeland-security-kept-tabs-on-occupy-wall-street-20120228

Treated like terrorists?
Absolutely.

Hunted like terrorists?
Probably. It is not THAT much of a stretch.

The best way to "hunt" terrorists is with surveillance.
It is easily believable that anyone Homeland Security identified as being involved with the organizational aspects of OWS has a current file that is being added to daily with NSA surveillance of digital communications.

I would call that "being hunted like a terrorist."


DURec.

[sabrina 1]

21. Thanks, see my link above also. And there's plenty more. I remember, BEFORE the release of the

documents throught the FOIA, we were called 'conspiracy theorists'. Lol, then silence when the truth was revealed instead of OUTRAGE.

Some things just reveal themselves, some people also.

You CANNOT challenge Wall St and not expect to be 'surveilled'. It's just practical to accept that in the climate in which we live. To do otherwise would be foolish.

[woo me with science]

22. Of course you are correct, the howls and emoticons of the propaganda dispensers notwithstanding.

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Police state tactics have come to the United States of America, with "Terra!" being used as their justification. And, for obvious reasons, Occupy Wall Street has been one of the major targets.

The federal government has systematically targeted Occupy Wall Street protesters for surveillance.....and not *only* surveillance, as we now know that the brutal police assaults on Occupy protesters were also federally coordinated. Individual Americans are being given ratings of their potential *terrorism* threat and need for further scrutiny based on wholly legal and Constitutional protest activity or even mere political grumbling (see below). And it's not *just* Occupy. The US Department of Defense is working with corporations to train police to treat other peaceful protesters as *terrorism* suspects. The NSA's sweeping up of private communication is being used to chill investigative journalism and persecute journalists who challenge this corruption. And the federal government has partnered with Wall Street and built taxpayer funded surveillance centers in Manhattan to allow *Wall Street itself* to surveil protesters. And these things are just the outrageous tip of a hideous proto-fascistic iceberg.

The US now has a mass surveillance state targeted at citizens, militarized police departments, federally coordinated and militarized responses to peaceful protest, targeting of protesters for surveillance, criminalization of investigative journalism and abuse of the Espionage Act, persecution of whistleblowers and journalists, fabrication of evidence trails to arrest Americans using NSA information, sexual blackmail using NSA information, suspension of habeas corpus,and indefinite detention.

Yes, they are building a police state, and they are using terrorism as an excuse to suspend Constitutional protections and impose police state tactics. They are using our tax dollars and subverting OUR government agencies to crush political dissent and any other perceived dangers to the ongoing Wall Street purchase and corruption of our government.

And they have created a 1984-style propaganda machine that meets all of this with empty mocking and absurd, Orwellian denial of reality. Fortunately, it is more difficult in reality than in fiction to disappear down the memory hole assaults and perversions of our democratic system that we have watched unfold with our own eyes:

NSA, DEA fabricating evidence trails to imprison Americans using spying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406605

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647

NSA Monitors Porn Habits To Discredit 'Radicalizers'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024099994

How FBI Monitored Occupy Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101651867

FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022930860

Wall Street Protesters Complain of Police Surveillance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101618930

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465

ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788

Why is FBI Manufacturing Reasons to Arrest Occupy Protesters, Ignoring White Supremacist Violence
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522821

DHS Tracked Occupy Wall Street to 'Control Protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101463537

'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials
http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies

FBI uses new powers to bug anti-war groups
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x237625

ACLU: FBI instructs police to suppress peaceful protests
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x253574

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662

ACLU: On revenge and the NSA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491532

On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden Glenn Greenwald
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023066929

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713

Obama's abuse of the Espionage Act is modern-day McCarthyism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023413935

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388

A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046

That magic word, "terrorism." The government's identification of those needing further scrutiny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022730456#post13

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

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[bvar22]

25. Do you remember when OWS participants/supporters were attacked and ridiculed on DU...

...for suggesting that the violent break up of the OWS encampaments appeard to be Nationally Coordinated?

I do.
Now we have proof.

I have never seen an apology or retraction from any of the attackers posted to DU,
but I HAVE seen THIS posted on DU many times:
"1st rule for a Conservative: Never admit you are wrong."

In fact, I saw this posted to DU today.

[sabrina 1]

26. I remember it well, being one of those who was a recipient of the mocking etc, not that it bothers

me much, I care ONLY about the opinions of people I respect, such as you eg.

And then we got the proof and there was silence. They switched to the 'if only they had had a unified message' garbage talking points.

There is NO logical explanation for ANY Democrat to oppose a Social Justice Movement or to try to diminish its enormous success, or to deny that they were brutally treated AND yes, regarded as Terrorists, not a single one.

[woo me with science]

71. +10000

[woo me with science]

69. Yes, I remember.

What a pathetic, shameful, despicable spectacle those posts were.

It is an ugly exercise, to continually manipulate and bully on behalf of policies and crimes that are destroying a democratic system and driving millions of human beings into poverty and despair.

Some jobs are too vile to be justified by any level of compensation.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

75. "Nationally coordinated" during the administration of a Democratic president

and in cities run by liberal mayors, i.e. Oakland.

[G_j]

35. you have done an excellent service

to our fellow Americans by gathering these posts together.

I'm not sure if this link is included anywhere, but this addresses legal battles,

Occupiers Prevail Over Infiltrators, Unconstitutional Ordinances, Vindictive DAs
http://www.nlg.org/news/blog/occupiers-prevail-over-infiltrators-unconstitutional-ordinances-vindictive-das

[woo me with science]

70. Thank you! I had not seen that before.

Some excellent stuff in there...

[imthevicar]

24. It suprises me little,

To the number of 3 way, and corporate shills with a post like this. but I get to snicker once they are confronted by facts, and I get to hear their ass holes slam shut afterword!

Occupy was a unmitigated success! it did what they aimed to, Change the national conversation. From, How much Austerity? to, Why aint those rich bastards paying their fair share?
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[sabrina 1]

28. Exactly, a few have now verified the OP's sentiment. FOIA documents proved that the FBI viewed

and treated OWS as 'terrorists' even in their planning stages, before they even took to the streets!

And the silence is deafening as you say.

They were and are an ENOURMOUS Success, exceeding by far, even their own expectations and goals. And THAT is why they are still being attacked.

[Coyotl]

29. Huh?

[sabrina 1]

43. Need anything to help you out? I will be happy to provide information on why the OP may

be correct to a great extent, or you could read the thread where there is plenty of evidence provided that the US Government labeled OWS, while still only in the planning stages, as a 'terrorist' organization. Pretty scary, don't you think?

[abelenkpe]

30. The way OWS protesters were treated and portrayed in media

was certainly meant to discourage the movement from growing.

[Th1onein]

42. This is something new to me......

in documents obtained from the FBI and Homeland Security by the PCJF’s FOIA search, the Occupy Movement is classed as a “terrorist” activity.

[Th1onein]

51. Ever notice it's the SAME people, every single time, that disagree with the liberal view?

I could name them, but I don't think it's necessary. They out themselves in this thread.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. + Brazillion

[Egalitarian Thug]

55. A lot of people make their money stealing it from others, they're not really enthusiastic

about the idea of that changing.

[brooklynite]

64. How did Occupy propose to change Government policies?

I'm happy that they're raising money to keep people in their home; that wasn't what they organized for.

I'm happy to have my taxes go up to support a stronger safety net; they never advocated a specific Government policy to implement that.

I'm happy to elect Senators who will support Supreme Court Justices who will overturn Citizen's United; they pulled out of the political process on the grounds that "both sides were just as bad".

[notundecided]

66. Occupy was/is a Social Movement

If enough people join the movement the politics will follow.

[sabrina 1]

57. Yes, always the same people. Always the same old talking points. And always so very wrong.

[neverforget]

60. And some of the biggest defenders of the surveillance state

too

[sabrina 1]

61. Yes, that too ... n/t

[msanthrope]

62. Indeed. One might say the same thing in certain abortion threads. nt

[Skip Intro]

63. Was Occupy "the liberal view?" n/t

[Th1onein]

72. They sure as hell didn't support the conservative view.

Or the corporatist state.

[msanthrope]

74. Really? Occupy here was LaRouchies galore. What do they represent? nt

[great white snark]

73. The embellishments cannot make up for the lost opportunity.

Where can you go next? OWSers were executed in the alleys?

[Octafish]

79. FBI talked about SHOOTING people with a contractor like MURDER was business-as-usual.

Then, again, for all too many in government employ it is business as usual.

From the files of DU: FBI Knew of Plot to Execute Occupy Activists but Did Nothing

FBI Document—“(DELETED)” Plots To Kill Occupy Leaders “If Deemed Necessary”

By Dave Lindorff
June 27, 2013 WhoWhatWhy.org

Would you be shocked to learn that the FBI apparently knew that some organization, perhaps even a law enforcement agency or private security outfit, had contingency plans to assassinate peaceful protestors in a major American city — and did nothing to intervene?

Would you be surprised to learn that this intelligence comes not from a shadowy whistle-blower but from the FBI itself – specifically, from a document obtained from Houston FBI office last December, as part of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by the Washington, DC-based Partnership for Civil Justice Fund?

To repeat: this comes from the FBI itself. The question, then, is: What did the FBI do about it?

The Plot

Remember the Occupy Movement? The peaceful crowds that camped out in the center of a number of cities in the fall of 2011, calling for some recognition by local, state and federal authorities that our democratic system was out of whack, controlled by corporate interests, and in need of immediate repair?

That movement swept the US beginning in mid-September 2011. When, in early October, the movement came to Houston, Texas, law enforcement officials and the city’s banking and oil industry executives freaked out perhaps even more so than they did in some other cities. The push-back took the form of violent assaults by police on Occupy activists, federal and local surveillance of people seen as organizers, infiltration by police provocateurs—and, as crazy as it sounds, some kind of plot to assassinate the “leaders” of this non-violent and leaderless movement.

CONTINUED...

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/

Secret Police. Secret Spying. Secret Laws. Secret Detentions. Secret Executions...Anyone seeing a pattern, here?

[randome]

80. So the FBI learned of someone's idea to shoot someone.

And you take from that the notion that the FBI wanted it to happen? If they did, why would they leave the information lying around for FOIA requests?

I swear, some of you must be typing away on DU from under your beds.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[Octafish]

83. Save the insults for the FBI, randome.

Otherwise, you sound like someone who sides with the conservative, reactionary, bankster protecting warmonger class. FTR: My source for my post is the FBI, related by David Lindorff:

Dave Lindorff is an American investigative reporter, a columnist for CounterPunch, and a contributor to Businessweek, The Nation, Extra! and Salon.com. His work was highlighted by Project Censored 2004, 2011 and 2012.

Wikipedia

[hack89]

82. My local Occupy was not "put down"

It died of apathy and lack of interest. No confrontations, support from the mayor, no violence whatsoever. But they are invisible.

[woo me with science]

84. kick

[Zorra]

85. kick