Is IN & OUT Burgers a buncha sexist pigs?

[Bennyboy]

Why do they make the female employees wear those god awful hats? The males get to wear those snappy paper soldier type hats, but the women, they get those oddly shaped short billed stupid ass hats.

Why are there sexual designations among hats at the home of the crossed palms?

Why do only female employees take your orders?

See what happens when you don't get out for a while?

[Brother Buzz]

1. The really snappy hats are down at Sustenance on a Stick

[Bennyboy]

11. Yeah the guys don't wear them hats....

In fact, in my recollection, I've never ever seen a guy working at the Hot Dog On A Stick.

[MineralMan]

2. This is a very important topic, to be sure.

Here is a photo that shows both hat styles:



I see a male employee manning the register, as well, and I have been waited on by a man on visits to In-N-Out burger. Personally, I think the women's hats are far more attractive, so I cannot see an evil or sexist motivation in the hat design choices.

My only objection to In-N-Out Burger is that I can only have one when I visit my family in California. We do not have them here in Minnesota, which deprives valid citizens of their right to eat them. While we do have Smashburger stores here, and I confess to enjoying their delicious, if messy, burgers, I cannot partake of my favorite burger without air travel.

This is a travesty of the largest proportions, and I thank you for your carefully thought out post that let me express my regret at In-N-Out Burger's unwillingness to expand into Minnesota.

[Mosby]

5. in and out is really overrated

five guys and culvers are way better imo.

The Habit also.

[itsrobert]

27. ugh, no thanks for overpriced greasy burgers and fries

n/t

[JI7]

40. in and out is better than five guys to me, but i like fatburger a lot and their fat fries

never had culvers.

[Bennyboy]

12. Hey, what's that dude doing there?

Still two to one there though, and that has to show some kind of bias right?

[A HERETIC I AM]

13. They have expanded in to Texas within the last few years.

Just click the Locations button;

http://www.in-n-out.com/

Perhaps soon they'll move in to Florida. I sure as hell hope so.

[Jesus Malverde]

3. I never noticed the hats, your wrong about the order takers...

Double double grilled onions no lettuce....yum.

[Comrade Grumpy]

4. I blame the patriarchy. (It's always a safe bet.)

[Bluenorthwest]

6. They also have tiny citations for Bible verses printed on the paper cups and

burger wraps. Tiny, unobtrusive, but present always.

[TDale313]

8. Yep, I find that stranger than the hats.

[Bennyboy]

14. Ya know, that bothers me not at all.

A private biz can do whatever they want and this is perfect example of that. As long as they don't discriminate in hiring, then I have no truck with it at all... The only time I was bothered by any of that was on the night Obama got elected. I went to In and Out and went inside and there was a HUGE party going on for passage of prop 8, which for most int he crowd was far more important than Obama's election.

Couple of kids in a big group of kids kept pressuring me in the line about what I thought of 8 Winning, even after i told them i would rather not. Finally I got out of there without really letting fly and there seemed to be a big rally in the parking lot with a huge 4X4 with anti gay slogans plastered all over it being the cneter of attention....

But I figured the is the place religious people want to go and I should have known and not gone there that day. Or used the drive thru, which i seldom do)

[Bluenorthwest]

22. So you have seen that it draws bigots, but are not bothered however you are bothered by hats

and a nonexistent 'sexist' order taking policy? I don't get it.

[redqueen]

25. Really?

Sexism is a joking matter
Bible thumping is fine

Those two views seem to go together rather well, IMO.

[GaYellowDawg]

30. Why, yes, they do.

Sexism is a joking matter
Bible thumping is fine

Those two views seem to go together rather well, IMO.

As anyone who's ever watched a Duck Dynasty episode or spent time around Baptists knows very well.

[JI7]

41. so you didn't want to tell them you were opposed to prop 8 and say anything in support of gay rights

?

[Bennyboy]

59. Gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, and know when to walk away....

And I had already spent my entire evening talking in support of gay rights.... TO DEMOCRATS that voted for Prop 8 at the Obama victory event at the Raddisson.

Quite honestly, let em bask, all it was going to was start something at that point.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

21. So does Cook Out in Raleigh.

But $5.78 for Cajun fries, cole slaw, Diet Coke, and cheeseburger? I'll read the scripture and enjoy the little Jesus fish...

[Arugula Latte]

42. The Bible crap creeps me out when businesses do that. If I see that, I go elsewhere.

[Shandris]

7. Because of ancient hair standards most likely.

The hats allow for hair to be pulled up and under; the paper things don't, because males are only allowed to have hair of 'x' length.

In fairness, I can't say with 100% certainty that that is their reasoning, however there are places around here that used to be similar and those were the exact reasons. You'll notice in the pictures that none of the women have any length of hair actually hanging (ie, its tucked up), and the men seem mostly shaved or very close to it.

[FarCenter]

9. Do the women's hats have a hole in the back for their ponytail?

[hughee99]

10. It seems that men and women wear different hats.

It must be because of sexism. I think it's the same reason that a women's button up shirts STILL have buttons on the opposite side, sexism.

[Throd]

15. This outrage cannot stand! Organize a boycott.

I have had males take my order at the Placerville, Folsom, and Rancho Cordova locations.

[kestrel91316]

16. In-n-Out orders at the place across the street from my office have been

taken by men most of the last 22 years, lol. And most of that time it was the same guy.

They pay well, for a fast food place, and treat their workers better than other fast food places.

[redqueen]

17. It's cute how sexism is such a joking matter.

Someone should start a 'joke' thread making a big deal of some nonsense, 'sarcastically' wondering if it's racism.

That'd be a hoot!

[RC]

35. What is not cute, is how some people go after the pettiest of any difference in details of any

whatever between the genders and call it sexism against women. Some people need to get a better grip. The differences in the hats could very well be nothing more than a response to the health laws in the normal difference in the length of the hair between the people working there.
The average person wouldn't even notice, nor should they. There are much more important things to work on. Most people would focus on the real problems and damage caused by those that would subjugate women because of their ability of getting pregnant. The problems caused by denying women their legal rights to a say in their Reproductive Rights. Or work to eliminate the the glass ceiling. Instead of going after anything where men are shown to be less than normal, as in tv shows, movies and commercials, as being somehow sexiest against women.

You know, work for actual equal Rights for all, regardless of race, gender, skin color, sexual preference or anything else used to divide us, including bullying. These hats hardly rise to that level.

[redqueen]

44. Nobody seriously thinks different hats = sexism. THAT IS MAKING A JOKE OUT OF IT.

FFS how much clearer can this be.

[tammywammy]

18. Alert results:

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Obvious flamebait. Making a joke out of sexism is inappropriate and insensitive.

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Explanation: this is tough, I have had 2 alerts for flamebait shot down recently so I am now inclined to leave. besides this is really pretty meh in terms of controversy...

[redqueen]

50. I'd really love to know how a thread mocking racism would go.

And if jurors would be so blase, consider it worthy of debate, or consider it "meh in terms of controversy".

[Nye Bevan]

19. Hey, NO FAIR reminding us East coasters of those delicious burgers,

giving us a craving that cannot be satisfied!

[bluestate10]

20. I find most of you complaints frivolous.

Kitchens can involve lifting a lot of heavy items. Some organizations build tools to help with the lifting, others don't. In and Out may be one of the organizations that don't. Since you haven't been to every In and Out, how do you know that only women work the counter as a policy? Are you certain that employees don't get together before their shift starts and decide who works the counter and who works the kitchen?

You last complaint was the most ridiculous of all. Fast food restaurants are called that for a reason, they serve food fast and want customers to eat and move on. A person sitting around web surfing or playing Angry Birds while holding up a seat doesn't fit fast foods company's business model. They have a right to run to their business model.

[Initech]

37. East Coast does have Steak Shack.

I always try to make a point of going there when I'm in NYC.

[1000words]

23. When the last time you got out, Benny?

Perhaps it's time to step away from the computer ...

[TeamPooka]

24. thread trashed. nt

[Jacoby365]

26. Sexist pigs?

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2014, 07:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe you should ask the 31-year-old female owner of in-n-out.

[zappaman]

28. You win the thread.

[jmowreader]

29. Yup, they sure are

They allow women to grow their hair any length they want it and issue hats to cover it with at work, and require men to buzz it down to a specific length or shorter.

[okaawhatever]

31. Ommm...newsflash. The only heir to the In-N-Out Burger chain is female and the youngest billionaire.

Here is a link to a story. There have been a few stories about her and the In and Out chain. I don't recall why her parents weren't heirs to the fortune. I think there was something odd about it, but I'm not sure.


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/torres-492869-company-bloomberg.html

[seveneyes]

47. The owner is a Billionaire?

I certainly hope she is paying ALL of her employees more than a living wage.

[bettyellen]

32. No…..but people who make stupid OPs mocking feminism certainly are.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. this. nt

[demmiblue]

36. Yep. n/t

[JI7]

38. .

yup

[cinnabonbon]

43. +1

[redqueen]

45. Clearly. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. thank you. I am now placing thread in trash where it belongs.

[bettyellen]

49. You are welcome, TA!

[displacedtexan]

34. I always order "animal," and I have to wait longer than most for my order.

I noticed the exact opposite in the bay area: lots of young men taking orders & very few females working the lunch shift.

[petronius]

39. Never noticed the hats - I'm a lot more freaked out by those infantalizing giant

diaper pins they wear on their aprons. What the heck is that about?

[Vashta Nerada]

48. Sexist pigs.

[TeeYiYi]

51. I think your OP asks a legitimate question...

...and deserves an honest discussion. (Unless there is something going on here that I haven't been paying attention to; ie: the DU gender wars. Otherwise, I wonder why it was alerted.)

Hot Dog on a Stick is the company that I would point to as being unapologetically misogynist. That and Carl's Jr.

TYY

[Bennyboy]

53. Yes it is as if they deliberately made the hats as but ugly as possible.

and did not do that with the men's headwear. other than that, White pants and shirt (Button up) and apron fastened with big ass pin, is totally unisex.

And seriously, DU does it again. Thanks for the yucks. The humorless will continue to not get it. And as a person with a sense of humor, that makes it even funnier. Thanks.

[redqueen]

55. Please demonstrate your sense of humor about racism or homophobia. nt

[truebrit71]

52. No, but the last tine I had one it wasn't as good as I remembered...

Them being....oh, I can't see because I have her blocked, but I'll bet that redqueen has her knickers in a twist about this thread, am I right?

[redqueen]

56. How utterly unsurprising that you find a thread mocking sexism to be hilarious.

And a sexist personal dig, too!

My, but I do offend all the right people with my failure to play nice when people make light of serious issues.

[pintobean]

57. So, it's only certain

articles of clothing?

[dipsydoodle]

54. Are

.

[U4ikLefty]

58. Yeah, and what about those "animal style fries"...wassup with that?

PETA's gotta look into this immediately!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Those are good burgers, Walter.