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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWatch the Justin Bieber story, not for a star getting drunk
that is Tuesday, or even arrested. He is a Canadian Citizen. IF CONVICTED, he should be barred from coming into the US for the rest of his life, unless there were some really hard extenuating circumstances, such as becoming a political refugee later in life. If it was John Q Citizen who happens to be a tourist, he would be facing, quite possibly, an immigration judge on top of the local court.
Wanna bet our fine reporters will NOT go there? Why is Mr. Bieber being treated with kid gloves.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and the car of the fellow he was drag racing should be forfeit and sold at public auction.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you wanna bet Miami PD is NOT going to go there?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that should make ZERO difference. Their should be a "no drag racing" clause in the contract.
Always happy to see rich dickweeds in court suing other rich dickweeds for restitution.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)will be textbook of what in Mexico we used to call Junior treatment by the Courts.
The problem is the more the Courts do it, the less trust in the system from regular joes, and worst, they are doing no favors to Bieber or any other star. They literally fall through the cracks through the officiousness of extremely good lawyers.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I still remember our oldest son's embarrassment when he could not get a rental car because he had not yet turned 25...and HE was running a corporate meeting. A guy who was under him, had to sign the rental form..
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)From what I read here awhile back, US citizens with a DUI are not allowed there with out a lot of paper work.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,345 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I heard an interview with his mother on CBC a couple years back. She was sorry to get him into the environment, because she lost control of him he lost him, to the environment that is the teen idol phenomena.
She saw it as a meal ticket, the family is not wealthy, but it did not quite work out the way she expected.
So no, he does not come from a family of means. He left his family in the dust though, and this is another part of the story our wonderful national media will not touch. I mean that might make parents think three times about American Idol.
polly7
(20,582 posts)His mother is doing very well after living a pretty tough life. As far as seeing him as a meal ticket, apparently he showed talent even as a very small child. I don't know that of the millions of YouTube videos of parents showing off their child's talent, they'd all be accused of seeing that child as a meal ticket.
Mallette encouraged her son's talent, after he began showing an interest in music at the age of two. By age four, he taught himself to play the drums. Through the guidance of the church worship team, he continued to develop his drumming skills, while also learning to play the guitar, piano, and trumpet.[22] When her son was six years old, he began performing on the street in front of the Avon Theatre in Stratford, earning $3,000, which he used to take a vacation to Disneyworld in Florida.[23]
In 2007, she entered Justin in the local "Stratford Star" talent show, where he sang Ne-Yo's song, "So Sick", finishing second in the competition.[18][22][24] Mallette posted a video of the performance on YouTube for their family and friends to see. With each subsequent performance, Mallette uploaded a video to the Internet, so that family members who lived far away could see her son's progress.[18]
As Mallette continued to upload videos, her son's popularity on the Internet grew.[25] Chris Hicks, Bieber's A&R at Island/Def Jam, explained Bieber's huge online following to HitQuarters, stating:
"He was doing something different. He was an attractive white kid singing very soulful R&B hits. That set him apart immediately from anyone in his range because no one was covering or singing these kind of records. But equally important was that you believed in these songsit was real. And you wanted to hear more."[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattie_Mallette
Justin Bieber buys his family a new $850,000 five bedroom home (father and step-brothers):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2481225/Justin-Bieber-buys-family-new-850-000-bedroom-home.html
Gramps (paternal grandfaher) sounds a bit pathetic here (Justin's maternal grandparents he's whining about helped his single mom raise him after his father left when Justin was just 10 months old).
He expressed jealousy of Justins maternal grandmother, Diane Dale, and her husband, Bruce.
For them, nothing seems to be too much trouble, and he buys them new houses, cars, luxury holidays, anything they want. But for us, nothing, George Bieber said.
Its hard to imagine the money Justin has, as its about as far removed from our life as you could possibly get, he said.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/justin-bieber-ailing-grandpa-doesn-care-article-1.1323837#ixzz2rFF2QBso
And ... I'm not defending Bieber's antics, because he doesn't seem to realize it's time to grow up and he could be doing so much more good with what he's been given.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and quite honestly, it is a crazy environment. Who knows? Perhaps they became friendly again.
As to what he has been given. My criticism of teen stars is that they are not allowed to have a normal life and really do not grow up. The drugs, the booze and the fast cars (and women at times) is a cry for help.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)He is not facing jail time. Just a minor DUI. A DUI can cause headaches for some but if you are rich is it a minor annoyance that you just throw some money at.
Baitball Blogger
(52,345 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)his attorneys will argue hiw the record label makes so much money off of him and he is under contract, blah blah blah. If he keeps it up they'll find him and his car wrapped around a tree. It would be horrible.
Sgent
(5,858 posts)it has to be a "crime of moral turpitude" (with more than a 1 year prison sentence), an aggravated felony, or specific other crimes (drug, domestic violence).
a surprising readable summary on point: http://www.law.siu.edu/selfhelp/info/immigration/immigration%20midterm.pdf
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)of people who were not that rich, who were stopped at at a DUI and were deported. Nor can they ever come back to the United States.
Yup, their only crime WAS a DUI. For the record, the state argued moral turpitude.
Did I mention these people only could afford a public defender, maybe?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)One might even say "rare" or "unlikely."
chrisa
(4,524 posts)I certainly hope so!
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
Javaman
(65,711 posts)has noticed the slow but steady downward spiral he's been in for the past 2 years.
do I think he's finally hit bottom?
nope, not by a long shot.
usually the flame out of a star is in direct proportion to their popularity.
while not popular to anyone above the age of say, 14, the "beeb", he does have a massive teen following.
so I expect him to have a truly epic crash and burn within the next year or so, given the current trend.
groundloop
(13,846 posts)Leif Garrett was the same type of heart-throb phenom in the 70's that Beiber is today. It took over 20 years for Garrett to hit bottom, along the way he crashed a car and paralyzed his best friend. Beiber is just getting started, he'll buy his way out of this current little annoyance and will have had the lesson even more implanted in him that he can do whatever he wants because he's rich. He'll become even more hardcore. And on and on, until he crashes heavily. Let's hope and pray that he doesn't hurt anyone along the way.
Javaman
(65,711 posts)you might be right, he may have a much longer way to go before he hits bottom, but then again did Garrett have the kind of money that Berber has? the amount of wealth also has a proportional effect upon the crash and burn timing as well.
what I wonder about all of this is this: while Berber is an adult, I wonder what his family thinks?
But then again, maybe they are living off his teet and keep their mouths shut as a result?
Rex
(65,616 posts)They get all the breaks and none of the jail heartache us working stiffs do.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but last night (and today) I was laughing. Local news, (FOX no less) interviewed a local lawyer, who deals with DUI's. He said that sending him out of the country is possible, but not very likely.
Funny that.
(for the record, given tourists can and are expelled regularly, he should)
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...but about refusing him entry if he left and tried to come back in.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Warpy
(114,615 posts)even though he's outlived his usefulness as a tween star.
Kicking him out of this country would do the kid a favor. However, as long as the cash flow is positive, they'll allow him to plea bargain down.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)at his age.
I know I made bad choices (not racing a lamborgini, but...) and did some really foolish stuff when I was a teenager. Very grateful that the world at large is not privy to that, especially as I am older now. I feel bad for the kid, it doesn't seem like his family or managers have helped him.
NeoConsSuck
(2,547 posts)but didn't John Lennon face deportation hearings for drug use? And weren't the Beatles kicked out of Japan for drugs?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And chaplin, well before OUR time, faced them for political views.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)The Leocal v Ashcroft ruling came down in 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leocal_v._Ashcroft
Sid