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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat I really expected from Obama--
--was that he would run his administration like he ran his campaign. When it came down to Obama or Clinton, it made no difference to me one way or the other on the issues. Both are confirmed corporatists. Obama was slightly better on the wars, and Clinton slightly better on health care. Both were mostly funded by the same corporate interests.
I made my choice to support Obama strictly on the grounds of his campaign organization. In our caucus state, the Clinton people came in and told local Dems that they'd better get behind the inevitable winner, or those wanting political careers would be made to pay. And she hired worthless pieces of shit like Mark Penn.
Obama, on the other hand, hired experienced organizers and used a lot of his early financial booty to set up software that people could use for self-organization. The paid people came in and mostly approved of what local people were already doing. They contacted local party leaders and PCOs, and listened to what we had to say.
The 2008 general election was THE canonical model for how elections should always be run. In past years, the "coordinated" campaign, supposedly working on state and national candidates concurrently, has always been totally uncoordinated chaos, featuring newbies who blew into town and did their own thing, totally ignoring what local party members were already doing. I don't know how many times I answered calls for door-knocking volunteers and wound up walking a precinct that already had literature hanging from all the doorknobs, put there by a local PCO.
In 2008, the people sent from the national organization immediately connected with the local party people. They asked us for lists of precincts with and without PCOs, and accepted our evaluation of just how likely any given PCO was to actually walk his or her precinct. My legislative district contains parts of 3 congressional districts and 5 cities, so I recommended subdivisions by geography which the coordinators immediately accepted. With a near-perfect blend of the online campaigning pioneered by Dean and tradtional personal outreach, there was this very rewarding sense of being on the same page as everyone else and getting something done right for a change.
Silly me. I expected that to carry over into Obama's administration. When OFA became Organizing for America, all that changed. No one wanted to hear what any of us local people had to say anymore. We were given the word from on high about priorities, and ignored when we wanted to suggest priorities of our own.
I knew that 2010 was going to be a disaster when the OFA people had meetings where they presented charts and graphs and lists of microconstituencies that benefited from particular programs. There was not even a single mention of values or messaging, whereas the 2008 campaign had been heavily values-based. I quit going to those meetings, and did as much canvassing as I had time for on my own, given that I was also organizing against the Catfood Commission. I got a lot of very good response to mobilizing people against that, from Democrats, Republicans and independents alike. Given that caucus states tend to have much stronger local party organizations, WA State resisted the red tide. Still, I could have done much more without the Obama-imposed distraction of the Catfood Commission.
And here we are at 2012 almost, and not a single word from OFA other than that "we have to educate people about Obama's accomplishments." Actually we shouldn't be doing anything of the sort, despite the fact that much useful stuff has gotten done. Why? BECAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOES NOT GIVE A BLOODY GODDAM ABOUT LAUNDRY LISTS! They care what is going on in their lives and about values, and no one can tell me what Obama's values are, except they seem to have something to do with government not being able to create jobs, regulations being bad and tax cuts being good.
The economy is still going straight to hell for the majority. This majority would still be strongly behind Obama if they felt he was on their side, no matter how bad things get. I don't feel that at all, and am working hard trying to convince all the 2008 PCO dropouts in my legislative district that we have to get more progressive people in locally and at the state level before we can change anything at the national level in any meaningful way. I'm having some success passing the word on what Republicans plan to do to Social Security and Medicare. I'm into politics for the long haul, but I'm part of a shrinking minority.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)They responded to "hope and change," didn't they?
AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)If they cannot understand the policies and how it affects them, then the voters will try to determine whose side the politician is on by looking at that politician's stated values.
The wealthy elite one percent used the mantra that "Democrats will raise your taxes" to convince people that Democrats were not on their side, and Republicans promised no tax increases. Of course, it worked because Republicans have been proclaiming for years that all taxes are evil. This is a value statement, not a policy statement.
The 2010 election results suggests that what a politician says is as important, if not more important, than declared policies.
Obama overdid the "reaching across the aisle" theme. He actually helped Republicans appear "reasonable", which gave them credibility and confused voters about whose side he was on. Many of the people he added to his administration added to the confusion about "whose side he was on", and had a negative effect on the voting in 2010.
pscot
(21,024 posts)I've seen this election season. Well done, Eridani.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)on the ground, at our occupy, i've not once heard anything positive about the presidential race. people feel abandoned, and the local OFA group is about as clueless as it gets.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--are important, and that change at higher levels has to percolate up from below.
But damn, I sure miss that 2008 experience. I was hoping for something similar in 2012, but it doesn't look like its going to happen.
LooseWilly
(4,477 posts)And even the argument that you can't trust a word that comes out of Romney's mouth to be true doesn't catch a lot of traction after Obama went from "no mandates" to "mandates mandates" on the only semblance of a liberal policy he's successfully passed, HCR.
As far as I can tell, fear of Republicans is really all that's left to bring voters to Obama.
Luckily Americans are easily feared. And Republican policies are pretty feary... fearalicious.
prepperdad
(103 posts)And delivers little to nothing every time. I feel like a sucker for voting in 2008.
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eridani
(51,907 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)So, I would have to rate your comment FALSE.
List of "Promises Kept" here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/
eridani
(51,907 posts)People vote on their values and what is going on in their lives. What values does Obama have that put him on the side of the 99%?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)When people say that The President hasn't kept his campaign promises the only come back is showing a list of campaign promises that were kept.
Do you realize that Politifact/St.PetersburgTimes won the 2009 Pulitzer Prize?
Why would talking about 'promises' kept lose us an election? Sorry, but that sounds ridiculous to me.
Why don't you take some time yourself and look though the lists here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022255 of what Obama has done that benefits the 99%ers, women, minorities, the LGBT community, students, seniors, etc.
When there are TOO many things to type out - a list always comes in handy
Have a great week
eridani
(51,907 posts)The economy sucks for most people. Does Obama even care that 48% of the country is low income or outright poor? That foreclosures are at record highs? That food banks are overwhelmed, and that homelessness keeps growing? That the bankster fuckers won't lend any of their bailout money, but instead are using it for more speculative bullshit?
He wouldn't even need specific policy successes in these areas. All he would have to to is to make it clear that these things are problems, and that he intends to put up a real fight to do something about them.
Where is his explicit defense of public goods for their own sake, like we are hearing from Elizabeth Warren?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Why is it so necessary for some to always BLAME Obama for every thing?
Obama can not FORCE the bankers to lend out their money to folks that they do not want to - BLAME them, not Obama.
Obama is not the one that got our economy into the shit-hole, Bush did! Where are the folks BLAMING Bush for the mess instead of Obama.
And President Obama HAS made it clear that those things listed in the other DUer's comment are problems.
Just because someone doesn't 'hear' everything that Obama says doesn't mean it hasn't been said, and just because apparently some folks haven't been paying attention to all the things Obama HAS done for the poor, homeless/jobless, women, minorities, etc doesn't mean that he hasn't been getting things done!
Honestly reading some of the things 'some folks' say sometimes seems like some folks not been paying attention to anything that Obama has actually done!
Have a great day.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--as Treasury Secretary. Obama has a bully pulpit--he should be using it to attack those responsible for the financial wreck. He could armtwist Holder to go after mortage fraud (at its highest level in years, but with record lows of acutal prosecutions) instead of going after medical marijuana dispensaries.
Obama is the one who should be blaming Repukes, but he is more interested in caving in to them.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)For Instance, keeping the promise of getting his children a dog
is not NEAR as heavy as promising to make EFCA the Law of the Land.
Breaking that one BIG promise cancels out over a hundred of the little promises.
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The one where the grassroots pulled up their shirt sleeves and ideas were welcomed. Instead, a sort of insularity set in. I was hoping for a more populist WPA type energy, instead the yuppies dominated again. Some of that might be the nature of the system, but I thought that the electoral mandate might push past that roadblock. And no one forced him to give Arne Duncan a job.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--and all the official paid people worked very will with it. Too bad it couldn't have gone on.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The grassroots energy is still there, it got channeled into a different path. I wish the Administration could have worked with it too. But even FDR needed to be pushed from below, so maybe this isn't as unusual from a historical viewpoint as it might seem.
eridani
(51,907 posts)My vision is the Wellstone Triangle, in which community and issue activists interact with accountable office holders in a positive feedback cycle. It seems very far away when so many issue people disdain electoral politics, and so many Dem party members care about nothing else.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The base is in the local Democratic Clubs, and there is no party without a strong base.
AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)griping about what he isn't doing or saying regarding the 2012 election?
I'm sure everyone will get their fill of TONS of what he will Obama will be saying especially after the GOP primaries are over
eridani
(51,907 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Republicans ran as defenders of Medicare, saying that HCR cut it. This was of course bullshit, as HCR only eliminated subsidies to privatized Medicare Advantage.
Obama and the Dems absolutely refused to counter this attack with a values-based defense of the highly successful GOVERNMENT Medicare, and that cost us the election.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)'Show the list' when people express actual life concerns. I know you see it otherwise, but to me that list flashing thing is not support, it is like brushing off discussion rather than engaging. I think it is alright once as part of a discussion, but any redundancy is disrespectful. Sorry. I know you think it is helpful. I do not agree with you. In my State, we win elections, Democrats win. Is that the case there where you cite lists as your modality of campaigning? Is Texas not red as an ape's ass? But hey, I'm sure you are right. What's winning elections got to do with politics?
eridani
(51,907 posts)--that you are on their side. They want to know what your values are. They will accept quite a bit of policy failure if they see you as a persistent fighter who does not intend to give up.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)There have been MANY people even here on DU that have thanked me for posting lists regarding Obama, throughout the year,
and not everyone reads all the same threads - so posting every now and again helps to get the word out to the folks that don't know about the links.
And as far as Texas goes, I betting you don't have a clue about all the Democrats down here or even how many votes Obama got down here in 2008.
Obama beat McCain in all of our largest cities/counties: Dallas, Houston/Harris, Austin/Travis, San Antonio, El Paso, etc - except for only ONE that McCain won (Ft.Worth)
Texas is more PURPLE these days than it it red
Obama's margin of loss % was a heck of a lot less than in most of the other states McCain won:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Presidential_Election#State_results
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)great white snark
(2,646 posts)It's the unreasonable left that couldn't let that go...even fear mongering by naming it such. So much obsession about the death of S.S. and you call it Obama imposed? Obama made them knee-jerk?
As said above, you are preemptive blaming when President Obama hasn't even started to campaign.
Also throw in the usual "bad lists, bad" and your unwillingness to accept his promises kept.
Suffice it to say I disagree with most of what you say.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Love the sig, too.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--Social Security and Medicare on the table. Obama did not have to convene it, nor did he have to appoint a Super Congress this year. So people near retirement age should have just ignored these threats? The fact that they did not come to an agreement had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that their constituents gave them holy hell for even thinking about cuts?
What in fucking hell do you think that Obama meant when he said the following--
Now, I realize there are some in my party who dont think we should make any changes at all to Medicare and Medicaid, and I understand their concerns.
No he fucking well doesn't, and he is flat out wrong besides. Just about all the voters in his party don't want any fucking CUTS at all!! (Not to mention which, Republican and independent voters dont want any cuts either.)
CHANGES like raising the FICA cap are fine. CHANGES like having the government do bulk price negotiations for Medicare drugs are fine.
He hasn't said a damned thing in favor of either of these things since the 2008 campaign season.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)and the twit tried to tell me that Obama using Social Security as a bargaining chip was a good thing because we have to do something about the deficit
I was on my out the door to a local DFL meeting when I got the call. By the time I got to the meeting, I was in such a snit that I walked in and resigned. Forty years of being active in the party and now I'm wondering why I didn't find something more productive to do with my time.
eridani
(51,907 posts)There are many, many options for electing progressives at lower levels of government.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)and I have some interest in the Congressional race in my district. But I won't bother to hold any local party office - I just can't work up the mandatory enthusiasm for Obama that that requires & don't even get me started on our incumbant senator, Amy Klobuchar.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)issues.
They aren't energized by the Obama campaign as they were in 2008. There was a buzz then about Obama. Now the buzz and positive energy are focused on Occupy.
Not saying that couldn't shift at some point, but it hasn't yet.
K&R
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Not exciting, guess it has to get done. His 08 organization was glorious. I too thought that might spill into the WH. Not so much.
eridani
(51,907 posts)It is not easy to get people invested in the long term work that will be necessary to actually change anything.
dawg
(10,624 posts)for all the work you seem to have done.
I agree. The lists don't even work on us malcontent DU'ers, imagine how flat they would fall on "swing" voters.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--talk values, and we keep refusing to say what our values are, instead going for charts, graphs, powerpoints and laundry lists.
It is so frustrating when Dems refuse to see that.
The thing I hate the most is this notion of the "middle". So often, we're told that we have to speak and govern more conservatively in order to appeal to the middle. Centrists imagine everyone arrayed along a strict ideological spectrum.
But the reality is that we are all liberal in some ways and conservative in some ways. When we move to the right in order to sway swing voters, what we really manage to do is to activate their conservative frames. We should be trying to appeal to their liberal frames instead.
And above all, they shoud know what it is that we value. In simple, impossible to misunderstand, terms.