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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:35 AM

 

The Sugar Makes the Poison Taste Sweet



President Barack Obama reviews his speech one last time while waiting in a room at the U.S. Capitol
prior to delivering the State of the Union address in the House Chamber in Washington, DC, January 28, 2014.
(Photo: Pete Souza / White House)


The Sugar Makes the Poison Taste Sweet
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Thursday 30 January 2014

The President of the United States gave the annual State of the Union address on Tuesday night, and if you ask the right people, they'll tell you it was well and truly a barn-burner. President Obama dropped so many left-leaning, frown-inducing lines on the Republicans arrayed before him that Speaker Boehner, visible over the president's shoulder, changed hues from his standard orange to alarming red to call-the-paramedics purple on several notable occasions.

(snip)

But then, if you're smart, you read the damned speech in detail...and if you did, like as not you have some serious questions to ask.

(snip)

And then...and then, there was Cory Remsburg, the last invited guest Mr. Obama made note of. Remsburg, an Army Ranger, was injured by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan during his tenth deployment.

His tenth deployment.

His tenth deployment.

Cory Remsburg rose up before that parliament of whores, disfigured, maimed for life, and was duly recognized for his service and devotion to country. He received a deafening ovation from a room filled with the worst people in the country, many of whom voted over and over again to send him back to war ten times over, who cheered so loudly to cover over their shame...including the president himself, whose Afghanistan "surge" played its own part in putting Cory Remsburg in the path of the bomb that left him barely able to stand, blind in one eye, and forever damaged.

The President of the United States made no mention of the insanity of any soldier having to endure ten deployments, made no mention of the concept of actions and consequences, even as he stood before the loudest microphone on the planet. Perhaps he and his people thought the face of Cory Remsburg said it for him, and if so, that is another sorry example of the eleventy-dimension chess being played by an administration which is trying to run a country that only knows, politically, how to play checkers.

There are times when real leaders have to say things out loud into microphones, even when those things are so obvious that they bleed on the pavement. What happened to Cory Remsburg was wrong. It was, in fact, a crime, a long act of profiteering that has fed tens of thousands of men and women like him into the meat grinder, to be spat out into a VA system that is utterly overwhelmed and paralyzed before the avalanche of bodies it is tasked to help.

Instead, Mr. Obama said this: "My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress..."

We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.

It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.

If you ask the right people, they'll tell you it was a great speech.

Ask me, and I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place. I saw a man talk like a Greenpeace activist while promoting or ignoring the dirtiest fuel industries in the business. I saw a man honor a ten-times-deployed wounded veteran with an "Oops." I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul.

"Between the idea and the reality," said a poet, "falls the Shadow."

It's the sugar that makes the poison taste sweet.

The rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21542-the-sugar-makes-the-poison-taste-sweet

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:40 AM

1. SO right on, my dear Will.

You have nailed it, and it fills me with despair.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:45 AM

2. Damn the torpedos indeed

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:47 AM

3. Recommend

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:47 AM

4. Super DUrec!!!

 



Thank you Mr. Pitt for your voice of sanity in this insane world. In a country where there are only two teams and neither is fighting for the cause of justice, what is a just person to do? Keep speaking truth to power...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:51 AM

5. Immensely powerful, thanks. *nt

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:53 AM

6. Very good, Will!

After all we've been through, this is what we're left with. Cory Remsburg is a symbol of where we've been since 9/11 and where we've come to. Do you ever feel like the country has been spinning its wheels for the last 13 years? That's how I feel. I've just been getting older and I have no prospects to make a better future. A total fucking waste of time.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:55 AM

7. Bravo! This needed to be written about...


We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.



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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:00 PM

8. You're still misunderstanding, Will.

Too bad.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:05 PM

10. It's an attempt to justify the horrible OP. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:15 PM

14. Yah, well, I'm not reading any more of it. I saw the SOTU.

I saw what he did. It was a good address. He honored a man who served faithfully and bravely in our military, and then called for an end to being on a permanent war footing. I agree with him. We shouldn't be in a situation that requires 10 deployments for anyone, and that's just what he said.

Will Pitt doesn't get it. So, I'm not going to bother with Will Pitt's posts.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:58 PM

29. Joining you....He is doubling down on this pathetic screed...

 

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despicable....I come from a career military father 21 yrs in service to our country. I think what is being said about that young man is despicable and not deserving of any respect. I think those calling this man a "prop or a tool" are "tools" themselves.

I suppose by this standard we should just tear down The Wall and the Korean and WW2 memorials....because ALL of those represented there are just "tools and props".



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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:45 PM

54. Same here. n/t

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:37 PM

217. doubling down, back to the wall, hiss hiss

 

par for course

The OP just doesn't get it - he is calling Cory a helpless child that the OP has to speak for. That is about as disrespectful as one can get is to assume you can speak for someone else, and speak over with a message opposite of Cory's was.

I wasn't much of a fangirl to begin with - as I know some history of DU.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:06 PM

67. Will's point is that this young man should NEVER have been sent on 10 deployments

in an endless war that seems to have new goalposts every time you turn around.

It's one of those "just because" wars.

I have no doubt that he was brave. But that doesn't mean the cause he fought for was worthy.

There are brave soldiers in every military force.

Let's never confuse bravery with fighting for the right cause.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:13 PM

69. I believe the young man upted on his own for some of those deployments.

 

He seemed proud to be there and so did his dad. I take it for the spirit in which it was given....we should not be on a permanent war footing like so many in Congress want to ensure with more sanctions against Iran,

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:29 PM

112. Yes sadly we have a society that promotes those sacrifices. Propaganda portrays being a fighting man

 

is the tough thing to do. Propaganda sells the war as defending our freedoms. But it isnt those in the room with the President that we condescendingly applauding that sacrifice, it is the lower classes that sacrifice. Yes many "volunteer" because they have very limited options.

I have a hard time controlling my temper when I go to a movie and the USofA advertises that to be a man, a real man, you must join the service and learn to kill.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:30 PM

149. Good post (per usual) n/t

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:37 PM

73. Yes, that was President Obama's point, too.

He called for us to get of the permanent war footing that caused those ten deployments. Perhaps you did not hear his speech.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:06 AM

271. The real problem is his actions don't match his rhetoric.

He gives a lot of good speeches, says a lot of good things, but his policies are just the same old tired unjust corporate bs.

That said, I agree with Will on this one.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:39 PM

218. but THAT doesn't give ANYONE the right to call him a "tool or prop" He wasn't forced to be there...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #218)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:48 AM

291. and that is it...

 

you are correct... that is the statement I was waiting to see and didn't throughout all these posts calling this soldier a prop. He didn't need to go and be a part of the SOTU speech, he went, why, (imo) he doesn't think he is a prop, he is a soldier, and an honorable one at that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:15 PM

98. Reminded me of *!

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:53 PM

101. Honored him? By having him blown up instead of brought home like the majority has wanted since

 

before he was elected? Sorry if we don't see it that way. Honoring him would be ending the war and bringing those to justice who fuel this debacle, IMHO.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:09 PM

109. No, you're the one doesn't get it.

 

The situation never required 10 deployments for anyone. Creating an all volunteer military did. The spending allocations did. Grunts are lower on that allocation list than ever before. So, you might want to look at where the money goes and then you might get it. Soldiers are expendable. F-35s aren't. The VA is expendable. General Dynamics isn't. Get it?

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #109)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:46 PM

122. The alternatives are mandatory service for everyone or a draft when it comes

to maintaining a military force. Otherwise, the President has it right...get off of war footing. If materials aren't needed for war, then shutting down the industrial programs that support war should be easier to accomplish.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #122)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:32 PM

226. War preparation

 

is the biggest business in America. The President knows that and so do we. Our government will put millions of us to sleeping under bridges and begging in rags before it makes any substantial cuts to the Military Industrial Complex. That will not change until the status quo changes, and I'm afraid doing that will be messy.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:46 PM

18. LOL, ok! nt

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:42 PM

51. No, to remain a relevant full time anti establishment brand


you have to regularly douse yourself with cynicism and burn a bright flame.

Just wait until he finds out that Senator Warren is not only not running for President but has endorsed Secretary of State Clinton for the nomination of the Democratic Party.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:34 PM

86. Awesome! More third way!



-p

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Response to grantcart (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:53 PM

125. Still pushing that "endorsement" line? /nt

 

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Response to grantcart (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:30 PM

229. Are you expecting people to change their minds for political reasons? I know I won't, I haven't

since the Bush years. But some people clearly have, a minority thankfully. Issues don't change, even when Political Parties switch places. Not for people who care more about this country than politics.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:18 PM

110. He understands perfectly. And just for the record. The Iraq War was NOT a mistake

it was crime for which no one has yet been prosecuted. Hopefully on day when we have leaders how, as Will points, we so badly need, who will make no excuses for the 'mistakes', the prosecutions will begin. There is no statute on crimes of such magnitude.

Some 'mistake' that was, costing the lives of thousands of our own troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent human lives for which no one was even fired and some still have the audacity to think they are qualified to take over the highest office in the land.

Will is not the one in this case, who doesn't understand. Perhaps if you had been here on DU when these criminal wars began, this OP would sound more familiar to you. Good to see DUers have not altered their principles since then.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #110)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:46 PM

158. I fiercely stand with you and Will,

Sabrina. I've seen this pull to the right here for a while. I can't and won't defend things that go against my principles as I am a strong civil libertarian with a side dish of liberal. It makes no political sense to propose things a democratic people wouldn't want, yet we're told they're necessary- by both parties. War is a damned racket.
I don't forget the drone strikes on innocents or the 140 secret wars we're engaged in right now. We still have off shore sites for detainment and interrogation that the IRC and UN do not sanction or approve of. We're told indefinite detention doesn't run foul of the constitution and targeted killing of American citizens without due process is cool, as long as the president is doing it. (Dat you, Nixon?)
Ten tours is a horrid thing to do to a human being- full stop.

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Response to Titonwan (Reply #158)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:25 PM

227. Thank you Titonwan. I agree with everything you said. It is cruel to send soldiers into that

horror created and built on lies, TEN TIMES. Even in Vietnam they did not do that. Yes, the swing to the right here by a few, a minority thankfully, has been very noticeable and disgusting. Either this is a Democratic Forum which promotes Democratic ideals or it is not. Someone is going to have to decide one way or the other.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:13 PM

209. I agree with you,MM. Remsburg was not ignored but honored. Showing him and the horrors of war

has shamed us. 10 deployments was stressed by our President and it was not in pride of administration. It was in the fact that this man would not quit as we are not to quit. Afghanistan is waning and Remsburg is a symbol how the tolls of this war and all wars do awful damage and should not be easy to repeat.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:02 PM

9. I'm crying!

 

You did it!

You really did it!

Bravo sir!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:08 PM

11. Wait are

Instead, Mr. Obama said this: "My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress..."

We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.

It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.

...you implying that the President is a "Teflon not-my-problem political hack"?

WTF?

Meet the other SOTU "props"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024412101

Obama Slams GOP’s Booing Of Gay Soldier: ‘That’s Not Reflective Of Who We Are’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024412056

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:49 PM

22. He might imply it, but I'll outright say it.

In the course of two weeks we went from a promise of a return to the rule of law to "Looking forward" on any crime that involved people that had the money or power to fight back.

It's a different issue, but yes, he's willing to utterly ignore things when it suits his purpose.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:51 PM

23. But you didn't say it "outright."

As I suspected though, this disgusting attack on Cory Remsburg is being fueled by Obama hate.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:00 PM

30. It is...no doubt about it...

 

same cast of characters...and they are willing to tear down a decorated Military Veteran to do their dirty deeds!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:05 PM

38. Wait until he throws his full support behind Hillary.

Note the attempts anytime anyone starts dissing Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023950882

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Response to ProSense (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:07 PM

40. You are right...THAT will be hilarious....I hope it happens...

 

you and I both will be

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Response to ProSense (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:12 PM

80. The President is dammed if he do .....

And dammed if he don't. Funny Dubya/Shooter get eight years to fuck up, Obama gets 1 hour to fix it. After all wasn't obstruction being planned during the Inauguration????? For some reason it seems that what ever they don't like about the President makes them want to throw the baby out with the bath water. I don't like everything he does. But I do know that there are underlying circumstances to his decisions that I and others are not privy to. Seems to me that a lot of the things we and others want that are progressive in Nature can only be achieved through a working congress that gets the bills to his desk to sign. Or did the passage of bills take another route that wasn't taught in eight grade civics?????? Hey I'm just a bus driver Shouldn't we be planning how to conquer the House and keeping the senate so some of the things we really need can be made possible???

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Response to mstinamotorcity2 (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:34 PM

152. yes yes yes and double yes....

I didn't take the speech in AT ALL the same way that the OP is reinforcing.

dammed if he do and dammed if he don't...so true.

And the "I'm cool cuz I'm so cynical" stance....I wonder how many of the jaded ones were too cool to vote in 2010....so we're stuck and PBO's stuck with that House full of teaturds.

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Response to mstinamotorcity2 (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:19 PM

212. Yeah, President Obama is damned by the ODS profiteering

left and the teabagging right.. but, there are plenty of people who don't jump on that ship of fools.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:29 PM

111. Why, what do you think will happen? I will tell him what I think then. I will

disagree with him, and point out that Hillary is partly responsible for these wars. And that there is some disconnect between between being passionately opposed to those criminal wars and turning around and supporting someone who played a role in getting them started.

Why would think people might have difficulty remaining consistent? It's never been a problem for me, or it seems for most DUers.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #111)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:35 PM

115. "Why would think people might have difficulty remaining consistent? "

 

Because they judge others as they would act themselves. To some here, blind loyalty is a substitute for having your own principles.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #115)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:35 PM

153. That sums it up.

Did these same people praise Bush when he used soldiers as props?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #153)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:08 PM

192. It's much easier to follow a strong leader than to think for yourself. nm

 

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #153)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:36 PM

230. No they did not. Airc using troops at the SOTU used to cause major OUTRAGE on Democratic forums.

And if a Republican gets back in the WH, they will do a quick about turn and RAIL AGAINST it again.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:13 PM

42. deflection, much?

There is no attack on Cory Remsburg.

Your twisting is sickening.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:39 PM

50. calling someone a prop denies their independent agency or is an attack on their choices

So yes. Fitzmas has indirectly attacked a wounded vet twice and the haters are lapping it up because of their blind rage against the president.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:48 PM

55. delusional

Paranoid and delusional thinking.

Seriously, man. Think about what you wrote.

You are attacking the greatest voice DU has. A reliably progressive/liberal voice. A mature voice. A NEEDED voice.

There is no blind rage at President Obama here. There is criticism of his policies and perceived lack of consistency.

There is no hatred of Obama here.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:50 PM

56. that was funny nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:59 PM

102. +1 a whole bunch.......nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:01 PM

161. I second that.

Critical thinking and questioning authority are paramount to a functioning democracy. Good on ya, grasswire. Peace.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:13 AM

273. Spoken like a true apologist.

You just can't see that Obama deserves criticism because he does the same shit the R's do, policy, political ploys, etc...

Where is the attack of a wounded vet? I don't see that at all.

Haters? Where? I see dedicated citizens speaking out for their country, criticizing bad policy and bad actions that exploit the working people. It's called democracy. Something our president doesn't seem to hold very dear even though he claimed he was going to have the most transparent admin in history. But then he claimed a lot of things he has done the opposite of, so whatever.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:31 PM

113. It is sickening. There has been a lot of sickening stuff around here lately. Good to see it out

in the open though.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:44 PM

52. There is no attack on Corey,

except in your mind.

Do I think Will's tone is more strident than needed, yes! Should Obama have talked about the insanity of 10 deployments - yes! He is first and foremost a politiican, so he didn't, probably because his government is still trying to get Iraq and Afghanistan to sign a treaty that American troops can stay in their country (forever?).

Just wondering, do you get paid for your position as head of the Obamabots who get the vapors and run on posts every time anyone says the president isn't perfect?

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Response to lark (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:00 PM

104. +1 a whole bunch.......nt

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Response to lark (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:10 PM

164. You see it too.

I don't own pom poms. I see no need.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:51 PM

57. While I can't say I think he was being used by the president as a prop,

you're certainly willing to use him as a human shield to stifle criticism.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:09 PM

163. Yeah Will better watchout, all of 20 people from the BOG are gonna get him

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:41 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to bobduca (Reply #163)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:14 AM

274. Well you know... the can instantaneously win an argument by posting these:


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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:39 PM

91. I used to call different opinions "disgusting attacks" too.

I used to call different opinions "disgusting attacks" too. However, I'm certain you'll rationalize it to others (if not yourself) a distinction without a difference...

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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:28 AM

278. I can't believe you're saying that.

You are one of the brightest members of DU. You're a pandora's box of information. You actually astound me at times with your posts. I don't always agree with everything you espouse, but I do agree with you most of the time.

Nobody "hates" Obama. They are upset with his inability to do what needs to be done. To say what needs to be said. We all voted for PO. Twice! We all wept like babies the night he was first elected.

Nobody "hates" Obama. They are frustrated with decades upon decades of behind-the-scenes shadow government, endless profiteering wars, socioeconomic engineering that has impoverished us all. Truth and justice has been placed on the back burner, or thrown out all together at this point.

Please try to refrain from calling your democratic fellows "Obama haters."

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:37 PM

90. +1000000 x 1000000

He's thinking about his retirement cause a mans gotta get paid! None of that's gonna happen till you start greasing some palms.

That's been apparent for some of us early on but it's much easier to call me a hater.



-p

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:00 PM

103. When there are no homeless vets, I'll consider your point.

 

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:47 PM

123. The Iraq War was NOT FOR OUR FREEDOM! To even imply that is so very wrong.

The Iraq War was a CRIME. To even suggest that it was needed for our 'freedom' is worse than saying nothing at all. This is what Bush said, isn't it but we KNEW he was lying.

I sure hope one day we get leaders who will just TELL THE TRUTH to the American people about these criminal wars.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:10 PM

12. how many time are gou going to post this? nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:47 PM

19. hard to look at, isn't it?

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Response to frylock (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:48 PM

21. it is pretty bad nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:52 PM

24. if bush pulled the same thing at a SOTU, we'd all be singing kumbaya

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Response to frylock (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:53 PM

26. if Bush pointed out the consequences of war like Obama did

He wouldn't be Bush.

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Response to frylock (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:01 PM

32. A bit different when it was BUSH that started the war!

 

you people...I suwannee! If this were Bush...we would have 2 more wars started by now!

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:03 PM

35. Until it sinks in I hope.

But I know that with some it is impossable...
The first step in solving problems is admitting you have one...and some have problem with that first step.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:01 PM

105. Til the war is over and the war crimes prosecuted, I hope.

 

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:14 AM

237. How many times are you going to drag right wing sites like Breitbart to DU? I thought

they were not allowed here, frankly. Thanks for giving them hits, I'm sure they are grateful.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #237)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:17 AM

240. to attack them?

As many times as it takes to call out nutcases like breitbart and fox for sinking sonfar into the mire as to attack a wounded vet as a helpless prop.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #240)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:20 AM

242. You were calling out Breitbart? I and many others thought you were calling out a DUer!

Just USING Breitbart to do it. If I had a point to make I would NEVER use a vile, right wing site to it. If I believed I was right, I could argue my point without dragging that garbage into it. But to each their own. I also thought that even thinly veiled call outs of DUers was against the rules here.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #242)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:25 AM

243. breitbart, fox, frerepublic etc who are saying the president is using a wounded vet as a prop

are the lowest scum there is.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #243)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:29 AM

245. I wouldn't know, I don't frequent such vile Right Wing garbage. Rep Peter King and Sarah Palin agree

with the President on Snowden. Along with Karl Rove and Bush and Cheney. What's your point?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #245)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:31 AM

246. the twisted freaks attacking the president for honoring a wounded vet

on breitbart, fox and freerepublic are pathetic losers who need to get a life. That is my point.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #246)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:34 AM

247. As I said, I give no time, hits, credit to Right Wing garbage sites, why are you doing so?

Republican freaks like Paline, Cheney, Bush, King, Limbaugh, Hannity et al and every other war supoorting Chickenhawl in the Right support the President regarding Spying on the American people. The MSM is where I got that information. So if those right wing trash support the President what does that mean to you?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #247)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:37 AM

248. then don't worry about it

But I will call them out on their right wing talking point crap. If calling out the likes of breitvomit for attacking the president isn't your cup of tea ignore it.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #248)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:41 AM

251. Why is the entire Republican establishment of morons on the same side as the President on

the NSA? Who cares what morons on the far right propaganda sites do or say? Most Democrats just ignore them which is why they are no longer getting ratings. But you are giving them ratings, why?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #251)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:43 AM

252. put me on ignore

Please

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #252)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:12 AM

262. I don't put anyone on ignore. I can stand up for what I believe in and have no fear of defending my

position against anyone, no matter how nasty they choose to be.

Can't answer my question, why?

I will be straightforward with you, because that is the fair thing to do. I despise deviousness which is what we are seeing here on DU.

You disagreed with the hundreds of DUers who agreed with Will Pitt's OP. Rather than make your case directly to him, you chose to try to discredit his position by using the 'Hitler loves dogs, you love dogs, therefore you and Hitler are the same' argument by going to vile Right Wing sites hoping that this would discredit him. IT DOESN'T.

I am being perfectly honest with you. We are very familiar, we Dems who have been fighting Republicans for over a decade now, with these tactics.

IF you had simply made your point, which very well may be valid, by being direct and straighforward instead of playing this game that now two of you have done, it's possible you could have persuaded people to see your point.

He was direct, he gave his opinion, right or wrong, without draggeing in right wing garbage. You were devious and that is a fact. I don't always agree with Will Pitt, not particularly a fan, however his position on this is the position Democrats ALWAYS had and so I agree with him as a majority of Democrats do.

If you find my questions too difficult to answer, put ME on ignore. It won't stop me or anyone else from continuing to oppose what WE ALWAYS opposed. But don't tell me what to do. I don't use ignore.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #262)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:51 AM

305. I don't think

there is a behavior any more amusing on DU then a poster requesting or in the case of one my favorites demanding that other posters put them on ignore.

I mean think about it, walking up to someone that you have issues with and saying "IGNORE ME!!!!!!"

I realize that I digress but again, it never fails to crack me up.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #305)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:25 PM

306. Lol, I know what you are talking about, it is one of the funniest demands

I've seen here also.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #243)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:21 AM

276. You know we can infer who you are talking about right?

Why not be honest and have the courage to say it to him directly? Hm?

Do it.

If you asked me, I just might say that cowards are pretty lowly scum.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:17 AM

275. Maybe he just wanted to give you the opportunity to post another not so subtle name calling OP

directed at him.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:14 PM

13. You're the author just post the whole thing......or.....

 

Truth-out more clicks eh, EH EH!!!!


LOL

I'm kind of disappointed you didn't use the word "prop" here actually, stay true to form!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:17 PM

211. CLICKS FOR truthout(sic).

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Response to Cha (Reply #211)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:57 PM

311. A Fist Full of Clickies

 



from prop to profit.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:48 PM

219. good catch!

 

no way I am clicking. Cheesey!!!!

create a shitstorm, then create clicks for a follow up.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:32 PM

15. Hammer

Meet nail.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:02 PM

34. Everything is a nail when all you have is just a hammer!

 

bang bang bang....that's ALL ya got.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:44 PM

16. Mmmm

"But then, if you're smart, you read the damned speech in detail..."

Some of that good old ad hominem.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:45 PM

17. Thanks for the link.

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Response to tridim (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:55 PM

28. He's no Nance

*high five*

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:23 PM

48. Leave her alone. She has nothing to apologize for. n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:29 PM

49. Of course she doesn't.

That would make her an apologist.

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Response to tridim (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:03 PM

131. YOU are an example of ODS

*YOU*

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Response to Skittles (Reply #131)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:07 PM

133. You're the poopie head Skittles.

You're the poopie head.

Yes, I like the President. I voted for him twice. Got a problem with that?

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Response to tridim (Reply #133)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:08 PM

135. I VOTED FOR HIM TWICE TOO

and.....poopie head?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #135)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:12 PM

136. Great! Thanks for the support.

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Response to tridim (Reply #136)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:14 PM

137. well it was a no-brainer both times, right?

what were the other choices - McCain & Palin? Mittwitt & Ryan?

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Response to tridim (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:16 PM

167. Not nearly as addictive as

team spirit.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:52 PM

25. Well said. Politicians love to get all weepy over soldiers and corpses they sent to kill and die.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:54 PM

27. Your ODS is showing

You never liked Obama anyway!

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:00 PM

31. Ahhh, so he isn't hyping your view I assume? nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:00 PM

63. no, he's whining because the President didn't use the soldier as a prop, because

 

what this is really about is that some people think wounded soldiers should only be acknowledged as part of an ideological/policy argument against war.

If one is not going to give a speech worthy of Cindy Sheehan, wounded soldiers should be ignored seems to be the message du jour.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:39 AM

249. So now you have reduced yourself to mocking the mother of a dead soldier?

You really need to stop frequenting Fox as I have suggested to you many times. You are bringing that garbage to DU where most people are boycotting those right wing propagandists.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #249)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:40 AM

250. Cindy Sheehan is a LaRouchie, so she deserves to be mocked. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #250)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:48 AM

255. Cindy Sheehan is the mother of a dead soldier who died in Bush's war. You are revealing

yourself. Shameful to mock a mother who lost her son in a war that the country was lied into.

I am almost without words. And yet you are claiming that we should 'honor the troops'?? What is your point again regarding this issue? You hate the mother of a dead soldier because she felt abandoned by the Democrats she supported? But you claim to support the troops otoh?

The ONLY people I have ever met who have mocked Cindy Sheehan who single handedly, because of her immense grief and without fear when all of our elected reps were too frightened to do so, took on BUSH the LIAR and reduced his ratings forever when she pursued him relentlessly and demanded that he tell her 'What noble cause did my son die for'.

Shame, shame to see this here on DU. I saw plenty of it back when I used to engage the rabid Bush supporters, they really hated that grief stricken mother, but I NEVER saw it on Democratic sites, until now.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #255)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:50 AM

256. She is a fucking insane LaRouchie. Her being the mother of a dead soldier

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #256)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:00 AM

258. She is a grieving mother, a victim of Bush's lies. I fucking don't CARE what her politics are.

GET IT? I support the troops who were lied into war. And fyi, MOST OF THEM WERE REPUBLICANS. So what you are now revealing to us is this. You are running around DU claiming to support the soldier who was invited to the SOTU because you believe that it is right to honor the troops?? Am I right so far?

BUT you only care about their sacrifices IF you agree with their politics?? Am I still on the right track here?

How do you know the politics of this soldier?? What if, a few months from now, he comes out against the policies of THIS ADMINISTRATION? It's happened before, what then? Will you trash him the way you are trashing a grieving mother then?

I'm so glad we had this conversation, it explains so very much that I always wondered about.

Sorry to all the Republican mothers who lost children in these criminal wars. Sorry to all mothers and fathers who lost children in these criminal wars no matter what your politics are!

So to you, because you disagree with someone's politics and they lose a child in these criminal wars, it's 'fuck them'?? I sure hope that soldier is a Democrat because if not and if he speaks out against the policies of this administration some time from now, I shudder to think of what you will have to say about him.

I don't fucking care what someone's politics are, IF their child is slaughtered in a criminal war they deserve our understanding for however they express their grief.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #258)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:15 AM

263. Sigh.

 

This soldier has a pretty moving story, and an unusual connection with the President. It should surprise no one that the President would try to find meaning in his story.

That does not mean we are obligated to respect political activists who push batshit insane ideas if they have experienced personal tragedies.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #263)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:31 AM

266. Cindy Sheehan also has a very moving story, maybe you should read it sometime. So does every

person, father, mother, sister, brother who lost a loved unnecessarily in these criminal wars. Not one of them deserves the attacks you just made on the mother of a dead soldier. Not one of them has 'more deserving story'. ALL of them are victims of the lies of the war criminals who used them to profit from these wars.

Cindy Sheehan should never, EVER be mocked on this site for whatever choices she made to try to deal with the tragic loss she suffered.

She will never see her son again. Do you have any fucking clue what that can do a person? All those Republicans who lost their children in these criminals wars have pretty moving stories also. I could tell you dozens of their stories. Using them for political purposes is vile. When this country protects them from being sent to fight for Corporations, we will know that they care about them. When this country stops droning innocent men, women and children, who have EQUALLY moving stories, for profit, then we will know they care about them.

I completely understand now where you are coming from. If a soldier supports your politics whatever they are, he's 'has a moving story' if a soldier or his family has different political views from you, they are insane.

Cindy Sheehan is a hero, she tried to get the truth about these horrific wars and did what none of our media had the guts to do, she faced Bush and his criminal gang DOWN, one, sad, lonely mother of a dead son. She gets a pass from me on how she decided to deal with her enormous grief.



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #266)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:01 AM

293. When DU still believed that unjust wars and liars who promoted them should be called out


we stood wholeheartedly behind Cindy. I don't know what we believe anymore.

When Cindy Sheehan pitched her tent in front of Bush's ranch, half of DU was with her. Today they spit on her and the memory of her son because it doesn't fit their narrative, their need to engage in uncritical hero worship of a president who talks like a Democrat and acts like a rightwing tool way too much for my liking.

And anyone who marched against the madness of the wars since early 2003 must now switch their positions and defend endless unlawful worthless wars of aggression against innocent people because that's what party loyalty demands? Well hell no.

I didn't back LBJ when he escalated the war in Vietnam either. Good thing DU wasn't around then.

Well, here I sit in this rice paddy
Wondering about Big Daddy
And I know that Lyndon loves me so
Yet how sadly I remember
Way back yonder in November
When he said I'd never have to go

And Lyndon Johnson told the nation
Have no fear of escalation
I am trying everyone to please
Though it isn't really war
We're sending fifty thousand more
To help save Vietnam from the Vietnamese

--"Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation" by Tom Paxton

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #263)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:26 AM

299. you should really quit

 

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #299)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:47 PM

307. the site

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:04 PM

36. Thank you Capt. Obvious...as usual you see right through it all!

 

that is the truth!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:00 PM

64. Cap is being facetious, it's his or her schtick whenever Will is criticized.

Lots of ankle biting and straw men.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:03 PM

66. Well that's different then....he isn't really Capt Obvious....he is Capt. Obtuse!

 

will keep that in mind for the future...

I guess this time his "facetiousness" is epic fail!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:44 PM

75. Oh, he's Obvious alright.

 


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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:49 PM

78. "I guess this time his "facetiousness" is epic fail!"

Says the person who had to have it explained to them.

*high five*

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:21 PM

168. Tee hee kee!

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Response to great white snark (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:51 PM

79. "whenever Will is criticized"

That's news to me.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:02 PM

33. rec!

I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:04 PM

37. I'm in 100% agreement.

Different day, year, or decade and the same old bullshit.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:07 PM

39. Nice that this time, you used Sgt. Remsburg's name...but here's a better-written article about

 

him..

Oh--did you contact Sgt. Remsburg for his thoughts????



President and Soldier: 3 Meetings, and a Lesson in Resilience
By JACKIE CALMES
Published: August 22, 2013


WASHINGTON — Three times, mainly by chance and in very different circumstances, Sgt. First Class Cory Remsburg has met President Obama.


They were introduced near Omaha Beach in France in 2009, when Sergeant Remsburg was part of a select Army Ranger group chosen to re-enact a parachute drop for celebrations of the 65th anniversary of the D-Day landings in World War II. The second meeting came less than a year later at a military hospital outside Washington, where Mr. Obama was stunned to see among the wounded troops from Afghanistan a familiar young man — now brain-damaged, a track of fresh stitches across his skull, and partly paralyzed.

The third time was two weeks ago in a private visit in Phoenix, where Sergeant Remsburg did something that neither Mr. Obama nor military doctors would once have predicted: he stood up and saluted his commander in chief.

There was more. Grasping his walker, “Cory took a step, then another, and then another,” Mr. Obama said later, “all the way across the room.”

In more than four years in office, Mr. Obama has met privately with nearly 1,000 men and women injured in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet his repeated encounters with Sergeant Remsburg stand out for bringing a president face to face with the resilience of the wounded and the brutal costs of the wars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/us/politics/obama-and-a-soldier-3-meetings-and-a-lesson-in-resilience.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:09 PM

41. Excellent, Will

Too bad the Obama/NSA efforts to sabotage the Copenhagen talks didn't break before you published. It's yet one more example of that sweet tasting poison.

K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:14 PM

43. k/r - I think I love you.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:16 PM

44. You never loved him!

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:08 PM

134. they're the ones with ODS

gawd they are pathetic

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Response to Skittles (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:45 PM

231. Just be thankful you can think for yourself.

 

Must really suck worshiping someone all day long 24/7.

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Response to Rex (Reply #231)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:58 PM

233. Obama himself would find them embarrassing

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Response to Skittles (Reply #233)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:07 AM

260. I agree and more over he would truly be embarrassed by

 

the BOG echo chamber.

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Response to Rex (Reply #260)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:24 AM

264. LOL

DU's version of a romance novel

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Response to Rex (Reply #260)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:19 AM

297. I am pretty certain that he would.

And that is the funniest part of that pitiful little echo chamber.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:17 PM

45. President Obama "made me sick in my soul"

 



Sounds like something from a Twilight movie or the diary of a tween.

Even the Tea Party response wasn't this hysterical.

I bet $10 million emoprog dollars that Corey Remsburg didn't feel "sick in his soul."

trash thread



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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:45 PM

53. he made my eyes rain! nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:50 PM

100. Okay. I'm sorry. I was about to get all disgusted with this thread and then I saw your post

And you just made me realize (YET AGAIN) how stupid and pointless all of this is and that the reason these folks bray so loudly with the same whines over and over and over and over again is because this is the ONLY place in America where they have even the slightest taste of power or influence.

This is the ONLY place that has harped on the good Sgt outside of the right wing media. If that doesn't say all that needs to be said, I don't know what will. So, instead of being angry, I laughed my ass off at this OP. Which is exactly the response it and its many clones here deserve. Your post did that so, thanks.

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Response to tridim (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:58 PM

61. what matters isn't the fact that President Obama vigorously defended

 

diplomacy as the way to deal with Iran, or the need to move off a 'permanent war footing'--nope, he publicly respected a wounded vet and FAILED to use him as a political prop as the DU Emoprog Squad demanded.

Ergo, soul sickness and weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:43 PM

119. I bet $10 million ODS $$$ you're right, geek.

too bad the "sick in the soul" isn't for something real instead of some made up shit only in that "sick soul". How fucking bamboozled can you get?

No, they shouldn't have hidden SFC Cory Remsburg away like bush-cheney did with wounded soldiers..






Emotional moment: Rep. Tammy Duckworth wipes tears from her eyes during a standing ovation for U.S. Army Ranger Sgt. First Class Cory Remsburg, injured while serving in Afghanistan, who was a guest in first lady Michelle Obama's box


First meeting: President Obama was first introduced to Sgt. 1st Class Cory Remsburg in France in 2009 at the 65th anniversary of the D-Day landings

The president's speech drew an eclectic mix of visitors to the House chamber.

More "Props".. "Among those sitting with Mrs. Obama were two survivors of the Boston Marathon bombing, as well as Jason Collins, an openly gay former NBA player."


Proud steps: Boston Marathon bombing survivor Jeff Bauman, who had to have both his legs amputated after being injured in the blasts, arrives before the start of U.S. President Barack Obama's State of the Union speech on Capitol Hill which he attended with Carlos Arredondo (right)

More..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547839/He-never-gives-does-not-quit-President-honors-war-hero-injured-10th-tour-Afghanistan-State-Union-address-leading-emotional-standing-ovation-honor.html










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Response to Cha (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:45 PM

121. did you see that Fox News plagiarized Will's post? nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #121)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:20 PM

140. And, why wouldn't they.. it's faux enough

for them.

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Response to Cha (Reply #140)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:26 PM

228. Nailed it, Cha!

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Response to Cha (Reply #140)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:32 AM

303. Forget the 'propping' now we are into the 'profiting': A Fistful of Clickies:

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:29 PM

172. Beautiful post, Cha!

Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #172)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:08 PM

208. Thank you, sheshe~

I was hoping it was you who commented.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:03 AM

259. I wonder if that sick soul will get well.

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:36 AM

290. +1 nt

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:19 PM

46. The people who NEED to read this, the whores who occupy Congress and Washington

could give a shit.


One day we'll reach them, maybe not through words, but one day...........

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:21 PM

47. Ah Will, you still fight the good fight.

The fight seems harder the longer it goes on.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:30 PM

173. Ayuh, I know

but what do we tell our children? We give up? I can not.

Agreed, amigo- Will is a fighter and we sorely need more of his cut. Critical thinking is key.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:53 PM

58. Shame you're delving into fiction now and doubling down on the hatred is deplorable.

I miss Nance Greggs.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:31 PM

85. Again!

Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater



-p

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:56 PM

60. Despite the Teapublicans assertions to the contrary

We do not have an imperial presidency.

President Obama cannot simply issue executive orders to do the things you would like him to do.

He can't mandate that the minimum wage be raised to $12/hour.

He can't increase the taxes on millionaires and billionaires to pay for things we might want the government to do.

He can't actually cause the military to spend less money.

He could change the rules at the NSA... so let's wait and see if he does.

He can't mandate that women receive equal pay for equal work.

He can't mandate an end to global warming.

so let's talk about the soldier.

Let's be truthful about this. President Obama says he met the soldiers when he was part of an honor guard at a D-Day event. The soldier went back to Afghanistan and was wounded, horribly wounded.

Afghanistan was Obama's "war of choice" because Bush fucked it up. Bush invaded Afghanistan to "get Osama" and then a) didn't get Osama, and b) left it to invade Iraq (where the oil was).

Obama decided years later to try to "finish the job" in Afghanistan with a "surge" of his own.

Reasonable people can debate if that was a good idea or not. I think the invasion of Afghanistan was justified and we should have won the war, arrested the Taliban and Osama, and put them on trial. We should have done it with 200,000 troops and all of the coalition forces we could get to help. And then we should have run the country for 10 years and build schools and hospitals and roads with the direct involvement of the local village leaders and the Afghan people, not outside American contractors. And then we should have left. Completely left.

Obama was too late, even though he did "get Osama"...

So we have the wounded soldier on his 10th deployment.

I don't know how Presidents deal with what they do... I think certain ones of them ("W" comes to mind) really don't care about the decisions they made and the young men and women who pay for those mistakes. I think other Presidents really do care. I think that's why, after 8 years in office, Presidents look like they have aged 20 years. It's not a job I ever want.

But I don't think Obama used this young man as a "prop" in the way you are thinking. I think he was truly trying to honor his service to our country AND demonstrate the cost of these wars to everyone, including those in Congress that want to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". So maybe the young man was a prop, but a prop against "future entanglements".

We are mostly disconnected from the wars... they get very little coverage, the soldiers that die or are maimed are not named or shown on TV that much... we don't spit on them like some people did to the Vietnam vets were when they came home, but we don't really think about them much either.

You don't like this President very much... many here in DU don't like him either.

Of the Presidents who have been President since I was old enough to think about such things, I've been disappointed in all of them.
Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. Only 3 Democrats in the list, none were a progressive (yup, Carter was not a progressive). All of the Democrats were better than any of the Republicans. Obama ranks as number 1 or a close second (Clinton did a bunch of things I didn't like too, but overall, he was likely the best of this bunch).

Will Hillary be any better? Any more progressive than Obama? I doubt it.

So where does the current hatred (yes, it's hatred when you accuse the President of using a wounded soldier as a cheap applause prop in a SOTU, a very cynical thing for a President to do... something worthy of Bush at his worst) come from? I think it's just disappointment, coupled with some realization that you will likely never see a President you really want. One who can accomplish all of the things I listed at the beginning of this response.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:48 PM

76. Thank you for being rational, lapfog. Your post deserves its own OP, imo.

Rational, comprehensive, well-informed.

Btw, "all the presidents I can remember" go back to Eisenhower. Though I was just in elementary school then, I was impressed that he sent federal troops to integrate schools in the South -- some of those black children were my age, some of the white mommies screaming at them were my mama's age.

I was in high school when JFK was killed -- that is seared in my memory, but so much more. Almost out of the blue one time my husband made reference to "all the high school students with Peace Corps packets in their desks at home," and I realized that was one more thing we shared. He lit us up with idealism and the desire to do good in the world. JFK botched the Bay of Pigs and he was a relentless womanizer that Newt Gingrich would have loved to impeach (Newt wants to drag others down to his own level, have you noticed?) -- but he was so much more.

They all disappoint -- they're human. You're right about Obama -- he's the best of the lot in the toughest job in the world.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:46 PM

99. +1, only one using him as a prop is OP

I highly doubt Cory would advocate Wills message.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:00 PM

62. bravo....

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:02 PM

65. You have your opinion, I have mine which is radically different. I won't insult you but tell you I

disagree strongly with what you write and your take on this.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:08 PM

68. LOL

Whatever man.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:26 PM

70. It's been nice the past few years to see you getting back --

 

to the good fight, Will.

Welcome to the underside of the O bus. We kept a seat warm for you.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:37 PM

89. I second this

I also have to admit at times I coudn't follow when comparing to the "old" Will from pre-O. I like this one much better. Whether the specific allegation ("using as a prop" is true or not, that Obama speaks out of two sides of his mouth is a no-brainer.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:38 PM

182. Ha ha. Superb, brah. I'm there, too.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:28 PM

71. I agree with you Will. Keep up the good fight.

Bravo

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:37 PM

72. The Hater Honeypot to attract the sordid flies. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #72)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:30 PM

84. What ever.

"Hater" Ha! Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater Hater



-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #84)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:58 PM

160. Bwahaha!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #160)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:36 PM

180. What's so funny,

you and you ilk use the word "Hate" all to frequently when no one agrees with you? OK, I agree that's pretty funny.



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Response to Phlem (Reply #180)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:50 AM

292. Take these

and call me in the morning.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:40 PM

74. the differences are there to get you to vote for the similarites

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:48 PM

77. Some folks are just plain addicted to the sugar high

 

These folks will undoubtedly wield their poison pens, and attempt to kill the messenger.

Rec

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Response to 1000words (Reply #77)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:17 AM

239. They must be frustrated because it isn't working anymore. n/t

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #239)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:19 AM

241. For me, it's become a comedy act

 

The louder they wail, the more I smile.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:28 PM

81. Great Job Will.

Thank You for that.



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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:29 PM

82. recommend

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:29 PM

83. so when the last combat troops are withdrawn

and the country of Afghanistan is left in the hands of the CIA, Special Operation units, and the Taliban, what would have been the

great result of our invasion?

When the debt ceiling or the deficit again rises its head in ten years and the vets with no limbs and traumatic injuries are again

being shuttled to the back of the line. What will we say then?

When they can't find employment or feed their kids.

What will the country say then?

We fucked Iraq up, it doesn't look like we did much better in Afghanistan. I keep wondering if it was worth the trillions spent and the lives shattered.

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:36 PM

88. Both were wars fought for political PR and doomed to fail.

 

The handwriting on the wall was flashing "FAIL" in neon before we even started.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:34 PM

87. The illusion has been broken

for me for a long time.

I admire your writing and wish I had that talent.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #87)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:41 PM

92. Word! That's precisely what I though when I saw the OP

and when I saw the recs. DU has broken through the illusion - well, in any case much more than before.

Even when saying that, I can respect people that respect Obama & his admin for the good things he has done, and I'm not sure whether that one soldier was right to focus on. But in this OP, Will has broadened it, and it's now much better.

Me, I had the same "false" feeling throughout. Even some moments when I thought it was clear that Obama didn't believe what he was saying. Faking concern.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:45 PM

93. agreed

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Response to G_j (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:53 PM

95. New York was made to be frack free....

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:07 PM

107. How completely awesome!

Patriots!

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:41 PM

118. bravo

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:35 PM

179. SSSSSSssscooooorrrre!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:52 PM

94. After fifty tours in America

What might you have in your wallet? So after working in the free market after fifty years and follow the rules but get punked by the system you wind up to retire in poverty, half of us will, as I am one. Or support our one percent or others like Remburg participate in the industrial complex with your life and wind up with a fractured body with combined infinite rehabilitation with a standing ovation from those that profiteer, inspiring the next wave of volunteers.

An incredible mix of hubris with the loud sound of hand claps on and on fill the spirit that understands this oddessy is worse than any of Dante’s real imagination. The hell we are in is the clapping sound as measured by this capital chamber. They love you America support the cause and join the team to savor in the clapping the media accolades while your wrecked body along with all the souls that are displaced and murdered for political retribution and worse drooling profits. This bottom line has no end and the applauds always like Jell-O there is room for more.

Here is a commander in chief who now expresses what we now know, a shallow reality of what really is the moment or that yes we can do something. From my view it’s more like do it now. I voted for this guy two times for this moment of yes we can, two times, can twice two time disappointed. Now it’s time to do it now. Stop the war. Close Gitmo. Start more jobs. Stop jacking around and let the Republicans bitch. Other wise curl up and shut up.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:55 PM

96. "A room filled with the worst people in the country".

Indeed.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:13 PM

97. HE VOLUNTEERED.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:05 PM

106. Why don't you

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:08 PM

108. Ah yes! Your faux outrage...

Stop pretending you have Cory's best interests at heart, Will. It's clear you don't give two shits about him and instead are the one using his service to manipulate your point. You are the one who devalued him into a prop with your suggestion that he is too stupid or naive to think for himself.

You saw what you wanted to see. But you know what? I don't really care what you saw because your view on this matter doesn't mean a lick. You're not Cory. You haven't gone through half the battles he did and to imply you speak for him, or for his greater justice, is absolutely disingenuous. You're in it for you - and the hackish articles from Truth-Out you've been pimping on this website for the last decade. You use his plight to drive views to your article attacking Obama for honoring a friend.

Fitting, I guess.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:18 PM

139. Yeah, who's using SFC Cory Remsburg as

a "prop"?

Well Done, DIrishman!

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:22 PM

142. this is disgusting

really beneath you

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Response to Skittles (Reply #142)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:01 AM

234. I thought the exact same thing about the OP...

Why doesn't he use his big connections to contact Cory and ask him if he felt like a prop? Of course not. Because that would go counter to his whole bullshit, slimy argument.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #234)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:06 AM

235. you're missing the whole point

it's NOT about the soldier - it's the NEVER-ENDING SENSELESS WAR

are you SERIOUSLY going to tell people like William Pitt, and ME - a VETERAN - that we don't care about soldiers, that we don't care about disabled soldiers? PLEASE STOP.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #235)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:45 AM

254. No I'm not missing the point...

A President honored a friend, and soldier, in front of millions. The heartless OP decided to make it a sideshow by suggesting he was stupidly being used as a prop. Cory ain't a fucking dog.

This post is absolutely shameful and pathetic and why liberals have a hard time shaking the image of being troop hating fools. Will wants to pretend it was Obama who used him as a prop when he is the one who's using Cory as a prop to push his flawed agenda.

More power to Cory and President Obama.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #254)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:25 AM

265. AGAIN

it's NOT WHAT HE SAID - IT'S WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY

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Response to Skittles (Reply #265)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:34 AM

267. Bullshit.

He called him a prop. He portrayed a naive, stupid individual who didn't know he was being played by the President of the United States. How about we let Cory speak for Cory and not Will? I doubt Cory felt he was being used as a prop and you know what? His opinion is the only one that matters.

Nothing pisses me off more than so called outraged liberals telling us what the troops think about their situation.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #267)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:39 AM

269. done here

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Response to Skittles (Reply #269)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:43 AM

270. Good enough...

I find it interesting no one even wants to ask Sgt. First Class Cory Remsburg whether he felt he was being used. His opinion is more valid on this subject than some hack writer who hasn't even gone through half the hell Remsburg witnessed in Afghanistan.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #254)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:26 AM

277. what exactly is Will's "flawed agenda", pray tell? nt

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Response to Skittles (Reply #142)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:35 AM

289. I verge on agreeing re:Pitt. Over time, political opinion writers seem to just write to their

 

"base" and after a time stop offering anything insightful.

Like a Picasso stuck in a color period, endlessly churning out the same old thing cause there's a market for it.

Since you are the market Pitt is writing for, of course you think the comment is "disgusting".

But there is validity to the criticism of Pitt's last two OP's.

And the fact so many DU'ers can't even consider that is why I spend so little time on DU.

And it's sad to say, but Pitt seems to have become mostly a "niche blogger".

Personally, as a fan of his, I think he should stop writing about politics entirely for a while and write about parenting or something else… and let politics be a subtle thread when he writes about a different topic.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:31 PM

114. Hey, Fox News has picked up your talking point, Will & Co.

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-five-obama-used-wounded-soldier-as-human-shield-against-criticism/

Though, they were far too respectful of the President for your liking, I'm afraid.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:15 PM

138. I thought you trashed this thread? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:23 PM

143. Hitler liked dogs

all people who like dogs are like Hitler!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #143)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:26 PM

146. No, just pointing out the fact that Fox News reacted the same

 

way as the Obamahaters here did.

Except Fox was milder in their crazy-ass commentary.

When it comes to President Obama's character and fitness for office, Mr Pitt and Mr Gutfield are in complete agreement, though Gutfiled is more restrained and less hateful in the way he puts it

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #146)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:29 PM

148. who the fuck cares what Fox News thinks???

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OBAMA *OR* OUR TROOPS

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Response to Skittles (Reply #148)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:10 AM

261. eh?

 

Speak us, sonny, I can't hear you.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #143)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:56 PM

187. Kee!

I know, right. Like if you admire Edward Snowden's bravery that means you love Rand Paul and want to have his babies. Jeebus cripes.

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Response to Titonwan (Reply #187)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:21 PM

223. it is desperation to justify the indefensible

yup

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:14 PM

210. Fuck fox and anyone spewing their fucking ignorant

hate-filled talking points.

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Response to Cha (Reply #210)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:33 AM

279. That's what a lot of people on here do. But they direct them at other DUers.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:35 PM

116. William Rivers Pitt

Thank You For All You Do and You Do This Best! My Friend!

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Response to Crewleader (Reply #116)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:21 PM

313. When Crew speaks the rest of DU ought to listen

So good to see you here.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #313)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:54 PM

316. Thanks Friend

Good to see you too!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:39 PM

117. The only reason I would have the draft is because that would end the war tommorrow.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #117)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:04 PM

190. Of course it would!

And the MIC figured that out. Allow the poor to volunteer for inhuman amounts of tours and use more toys (which gainfully employs people in many states). A few get rich and a lot of poor folks never walk, talk or move around anymore. Much better for the bottom line, doncha know, ol' chap. *wink wink*
The draft would make people consider the cost of death and destruction. It would become very real. I know.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #117)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:25 PM

197. History shows it never has and rather than working to get congress to pass an equitable draft none

can get out of, how about getting them to pass ending the war instead?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:43 PM

120. And now a word

I saw a man (read: "Teflon not-my-problem political hack" talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul.


...from the "Teflon not-my-problem political hack," who is not a like the "real leaders" who address "difficult issues head-on." Presenting, the "political hack":

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, my fellow Americans:

Today in America, a teacher spent extra time with a student who needed it, and did her part to lift America’s graduation rate to its highest level in more than three decades.

An entrepreneur flipped on the lights in her tech startup, and did her part to add to the more than eight million new jobs our businesses have created over the past four years.

An autoworker fine-tuned some of the best, most fuel-efficient cars in the world, and did his part to help America wean itself off foreign oil.

A farmer prepared for the spring after the strongest five-year stretch of farm exports in our history. A rural doctor gave a young child the first prescription to treat asthma that his mother could afford. A man took the bus home from the graveyard shift, bone-tired but dreaming big dreams for his son. And in tight-knit communities across America, fathers and mothers will tuck in their kids, put an arm around their spouse, remember fallen comrades, and give thanks for being home from a war that, after twelve long years, is finally coming to an end.

Tonight, this chamber speaks with one voice to the people we represent: it is you, our citizens, who make the state of our union strong.

Here are the results of your efforts: The lowest unemployment rate in over five years. A rebounding housing market. A manufacturing sector that’s adding jobs for the first time since the 1990s. More oil produced at home than we buy from the rest of the world – the first time that’s happened in nearly twenty years. Our deficits – cut by more than half. And for the first time in over a decade, business leaders around the world have declared that China is no longer the world’s number one place to invest; America is.

That’s why I believe this can be a breakthrough year for America. After five years of grit and determined effort, the United States is better-positioned for the 21st century than any other nation on Earth.

The question for everyone in this chamber, running through every decision we make this year, is whether we are going to help or hinder this progress. For several years now, this town has been consumed by a rancorous argument over the proper size of the federal government. It’s an important debate – one that dates back to our very founding. But when that debate prevents us from carrying out even the most basic functions of our democracy – when our differences shut down government or threaten the full faith and credit of the United States – then we are not doing right by the American people.

As President, I’m committed to making Washington work better, and rebuilding the trust of the people who sent us here. I believe most of you are, too. Last month, thanks to the work of Democrats and Republicans, this Congress finally produced a budget that undoes some of last year’s severe cuts to priorities like education. Nobody got everything they wanted, and we can still do more to invest in this country’s future while bringing down our deficit in a balanced way. But the budget compromise should leave us freer to focus on creating new jobs, not creating new crises.

In the coming months, let’s see where else we can make progress together. Let’s make this a year of action. That’s what most Americans want – for all of us in this chamber to focus on their lives, their hopes, their aspirations. And what I believe unites the people of this nation, regardless of race or region or party, young or old, rich or poor, is the simple, profound belief in opportunity for all – the notion that if you work hard and take responsibility, you can get ahead.

Let’s face it: that belief has suffered some serious blows. Over more than three decades, even before the Great Recession hit, massive shifts in technology and global competition had eliminated a lot of good, middle-class jobs, and weakened the economic foundations that families depend on.

Today, after four years of economic growth, corporate profits and stock prices have rarely been higher, and those at the top have never done better. But average wages have barely budged. Inequality has deepened. Upward mobility has stalled. The cold, hard fact is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get by – let alone get ahead. And too many still aren’t working at all.

Our job is to reverse these trends. It won’t happen right away, and we won’t agree on everything. But what I offer tonight is a set of concrete, practical proposals to speed up growth, strengthen the middle class, and build new ladders of opportunity into the middle class. Some require Congressional action, and I’m eager to work with all of you. But America does not stand still – and neither will I. So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that’s what I’m going to do.

As usual, our First Lady sets a good example. Michelle’s Let’s Move partnership with schools, businesses, and local leaders has helped bring down childhood obesity rates for the first time in thirty years – an achievement that will improve lives and reduce health care costs for decades to come. The Joining Forces alliance that Michelle and Jill Biden launched has already encouraged employers to hire or train nearly 400,000 veterans and military spouses. Taking a page from that playbook, the White House just organized a College Opportunity Summit where already, 150 universities, businesses, and nonprofits have made concrete commitments to reduce inequality in access to higher education – and help every hardworking kid go to college and succeed when they get to campus. Across the country, we’re partnering with mayors, governors, and state legislatures on issues from homelessness to marriage equality.

The point is, there are millions of Americans outside Washington who are tired of stale political arguments, and are moving this country forward. They believe, and I believe, that here in America, our success should depend not on accident of birth, but the strength of our work ethic and the scope of our dreams. That’s what drew our forebears here. It’s how the daughter of a factory worker is CEO of America’s largest automaker; how the son of a barkeeper is Speaker of the House; how the son of a single mom can be President of the greatest nation on Earth.

Opportunity is who we are. And the defining project of our generation is to restore that promise.

We know where to start: the best measure of opportunity is access to a good job. With the economy picking up speed, companies say they intend to hire more people this year. And over half of big manufacturers say they’re thinking of insourcing jobs from abroad.

So let’s make that decision easier for more companies. Both Democrats and Republicans have argued that our tax code is riddled with wasteful, complicated loopholes that punish businesses investing here, and reward companies that keep profits abroad. Let’s flip that equation. Let’s work together to close those loopholes, end those incentives to ship jobs overseas, and lower tax rates for businesses that create jobs here at home.

Moreover, we can take the money we save with this transition to tax reform to create jobs rebuilding our roads, upgrading our ports, unclogging our commutes – because in today’s global economy, first-class jobs gravitate to first-class infrastructure. We’ll need Congress to protect more than three million jobs by finishing transportation and waterways bills this summer. But I will act on my own to slash bureaucracy and streamline the permitting process for key projects, so we can get more construction workers on the job as fast as possible.

We also have the chance, right now, to beat other countries in the race for the next wave of high-tech manufacturing jobs. My administration has launched two hubs for high-tech manufacturing in Raleigh and Youngstown, where we’ve connected businesses to research universities that can help America lead the world in advanced technologies. Tonight, I’m announcing we’ll launch six more this year. Bipartisan bills in both houses could double the number of these hubs and the jobs they create. So get those bills to my desk and put more Americans back to work.

Let’s do more to help the entrepreneurs and small business owners who create most new jobs in America. Over the past five years, my administration has made more loans to small business owners than any other. And when ninety-eight percent of our exporters are small businesses, new trade partnerships with Europe and the Asia-Pacific will help them create more jobs. We need to work together on tools like bipartisan trade promotion authority to protect our workers, protect our environment, and open new markets to new goods stamped “Made in the USA.” China and Europe aren’t standing on the sidelines. Neither should we.

We know that the nation that goes all-in on innovation today will own the global economy tomorrow. This is an edge America cannot surrender. Federally-funded research helped lead to the ideas and inventions behind Google and smartphones. That’s why Congress should undo the damage done by last year’s cuts to basic research so we can unleash the next great American discovery – whether it’s vaccines that stay ahead of drug-resistant bacteria, or paper-thin material that’s stronger than steel. And let’s pass a patent reform bill that allows our businesses to stay focused on innovation, not costly, needless litigation.

Now, one of the biggest factors in bringing more jobs back is our commitment to American energy. The all-of-the-above energy strategy I announced a few years ago is working, and today, America is closer to energy independence than we’ve been in decades.

One of the reasons why is natural gas – if extracted safely, it’s the bridge fuel that can power our economy with less of the carbon pollution that causes climate change. Businesses plan to invest almost $100 billion in new factories that use natural gas. I’ll cut red tape to help states get those factories built, and this Congress can help by putting people to work building fueling stations that shift more cars and trucks from foreign oil to American natural gas. My administration will keep working with the industry to sustain production and job growth while strengthening protection of our air, our water, and our communities. And while we’re at it, I’ll use my authority to protect more of our pristine federal lands for future generations.

It’s not just oil and natural gas production that’s booming; we’re becoming a global leader in solar, too. Every four minutes, another American home or business goes solar; every panel pounded into place by a worker whose job can’t be outsourced. Let’s continue that progress with a smarter tax policy that stops giving $4 billion a year to fossil fuel industries that don’t need it, so that we can invest more in fuels of the future that do.

And even as we’ve increased energy production, we’ve partnered with businesses, builders, and local communities to reduce the energy we consume. When we rescued our automakers, for example, we worked with them to set higher fuel efficiency standards for our cars. In the coming months, I’ll build on that success by setting new standards for our trucks, so we can keep driving down oil imports and what we pay at the pump.

Taken together, our energy policy is creating jobs and leading to a cleaner, safer planet. Over the past eight years, the United States has reduced our total carbon pollution more than any other nation on Earth. But we have to act with more urgency – because a changing climate is already harming western communities struggling with drought, and coastal cities dealing with floods. That’s why I directed my administration to work with states, utilities, and others to set new standards on the amount of carbon pollution our power plants are allowed to dump into the air. The shift to a cleaner energy economy won’t happen overnight, and it will require tough choices along the way. But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact. And when our children’s children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to leave them a safer, more stable world, with new sources of energy, I want us to be able to say yes, we did.

Finally, if we are serious about economic growth, it is time to heed the call of business leaders, labor leaders, faith leaders, and law enforcement – and fix our broken immigration system. Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have acted. I know that members of both parties in the House want to do the same. Independent economists say immigration reform will grow our economy and shrink our deficits by almost $1 trillion in the next two decades. And for good reason: when people come here to fulfill their dreams – to study, invent, and contribute to our culture – they make our country a more attractive place for businesses to locate and create jobs for everyone. So let’s get immigration reform done this year.

The ideas I’ve outlined so far can speed up growth and create more jobs. But in this rapidly-changing economy, we have to make sure that every American has the skills to fill those jobs.

The good news is, we know how to do it. Two years ago, as the auto industry came roaring back, Andra Rush opened up a manufacturing firm in Detroit. She knew that Ford needed parts for the best-selling truck in America, and she knew how to make them. She just needed the workforce. So she dialed up what we call an American Job Center – places where folks can walk in to get the help or training they need to find a new job, or better job. She was flooded with new workers. And today, Detroit Manufacturing Systems has more than 700 employees.

What Andra and her employees experienced is how it should be for every employer – and every job seeker. So tonight, I’ve asked Vice President Biden to lead an across-the-board reform of America’s training programs to make sure they have one mission: train Americans with the skills employers need, and match them to good jobs that need to be filled right now. That means more on-the-job training, and more apprenticeships that set a young worker on an upward trajectory for life. It means connecting companies to community colleges that can help design training to fill their specific needs. And if Congress wants to help, you can concentrate funding on proven programs that connect more ready-to-work Americans with ready-to-be-filled jobs.

I’m also convinced we can help Americans return to the workforce faster by reforming unemployment insurance so that it’s more effective in today’s economy. But first, this Congress needs to restore the unemployment insurance you just let expire for 1.6 million people.

Let me tell you why.

Misty DeMars is a mother of two young boys. She’d been steadily employed since she was a teenager. She put herself through college. She’d never collected unemployment benefits. In May, she and her husband used their life savings to buy their first home. A week later, budget cuts claimed the job she loved. Last month, when their unemployment insurance was cut off, she sat down and wrote me a letter – the kind I get every day. “We are the face of the unemployment crisis,” she wrote. “I am not dependent on the government…Our country depends on people like us who build careers, contribute to society…care about our neighbors…I am confident that in time I will find a job…I will pay my taxes, and we will raise our children in their own home in the community we love. Please give us this chance.”

Congress, give these hardworking, responsible Americans that chance. They need our help, but more important, this country needs them in the game. That’s why I’ve been asking CEOs to give more long-term unemployed workers a fair shot at that new job and new chance to support their families; this week, many will come to the White House to make that commitment real. Tonight, I ask every business leader in America to join us and to do the same – because we are stronger when America fields a full team.

Of course, it’s not enough to train today’s workforce. We also have to prepare tomorrow’s workforce, by guaranteeing every child access to a world-class education.

Estiven Rodriguez couldn’t speak a word of English when he moved to New York City at age nine. But last month, thanks to the support of great teachers and an innovative tutoring program, he led a march of his classmates – through a crowd of cheering parents and neighbors – from their high school to the post office, where they mailed off their college applications. And this son of a factory worker just found out he’s going to college this fall.

Five years ago, we set out to change the odds for all our kids. We worked with lenders to reform student loans, and today, more young people are earning college degrees than ever before. Race to the Top, with the help of governors from both parties, has helped states raise expectations and performance. Teachers and principals in schools from Tennessee to Washington, D.C. are making big strides in preparing students with skills for the new economy – problem solving, critical thinking, science, technology, engineering, and math. Some of this change is hard. It requires everything from more challenging curriculums and more demanding parents to better support for teachers and new ways to measure how well our kids think, not how well they can fill in a bubble on a test. But it’s worth it – and it’s working.

The problem is we’re still not reaching enough kids, and we’re not reaching them in time. That has to change.

Research shows that one of the best investments we can make in a child’s life is high-quality early education. Last year, I asked this Congress to help states make high-quality pre-K available to every four year-old. As a parent as well as a President, I repeat that request tonight. But in the meantime, thirty states have raised pre-k funding on their own. They know we can’t wait. So just as we worked with states to reform our schools, this year, we’ll invest in new partnerships with states and communities across the country in a race to the top for our youngest children. And as Congress decides what it’s going to do, I’m going to pull together a coalition of elected officials, business leaders, and philanthropists willing to help more kids access the high-quality pre-K they need.

Last year, I also pledged to connect 99 percent of our students to high-speed broadband over the next four years. Tonight, I can announce that with the support of the FCC and companies like Apple, Microsoft, Sprint, and Verizon, we’ve got a down payment to start connecting more than 15,000 schools and twenty million students over the next two years, without adding a dime to the deficit.

We’re working to redesign high schools and partner them with colleges and employers that offer the real-world education and hands-on training that can lead directly to a job and career. We’re shaking up our system of higher education to give parents more information, and colleges more incentives to offer better value, so that no middle-class kid is priced out of a college education. We’re offering millions the opportunity to cap their monthly student loan payments to ten percent of their income, and I want to work with Congress to see how we can help even more Americans who feel trapped by student loan debt. And I’m reaching out to some of America’s leading foundations and corporations on a new initiative to help more young men of color facing tough odds stay on track and reach their full potential.

The bottom line is, Michelle and I want every child to have the same chance this country gave us. But we know our opportunity agenda won’t be complete – and too many young people entering the workforce today will see the American Dream as an empty promise – unless we do more to make sure our economy honors the dignity of work, and hard work pays off for every single American.

Today, women make up about half our workforce. But they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That is wrong, and in 2014, it’s an embarrassment. A woman deserves equal pay for equal work. She deserves to have a baby without sacrificing her job. A mother deserves a day off to care for a sick child or sick parent without running into hardship – and you know what, a father does, too. It’s time to do away with workplace policies that belong in a “Mad Men” episode. This year, let’s all come together – Congress, the White House, and businesses from Wall Street to Main Street – to give every woman the opportunity she deserves. Because I firmly believe when women succeed, America succeeds.

Now, women hold a majority of lower-wage jobs – but they’re not the only ones stifled by stagnant wages. Americans understand that some people will earn more than others, and we don’t resent those who, by virtue of their efforts, achieve incredible success. But Americans overwhelmingly agree that no one who works full time should ever have to raise a family in poverty.

In the year since I asked this Congress to raise the minimum wage, five states have passed laws to raise theirs. Many businesses have done it on their own. Nick Chute is here tonight with his boss, John Soranno. John’s an owner of Punch Pizza in Minneapolis, and Nick helps make the dough. Only now he makes more of it: John just gave his employees a raise, to ten bucks an hour – a decision that eased their financial stress and boosted their morale.

Tonight, I ask more of America’s business leaders to follow John’s lead and do what you can to raise your employees’ wages. To every mayor, governor, and state legislator in America, I say, you don’t have to wait for Congress to act; Americans will support you if you take this on. And as a chief executive, I intend to lead by example. Profitable corporations like Costco see higher wages as the smart way to boost productivity and reduce turnover. We should too. In the coming weeks, I will issue an Executive Order requiring federal contractors to pay their federally-funded employees a fair wage of at least $10.10 an hour – because if you cook our troops’ meals or wash their dishes, you shouldn’t have to live in poverty.

Of course, to reach millions more, Congress needs to get on board. Today, the federal minimum wage is worth about twenty percent less than it was when Ronald Reagan first stood here. Tom Harkin and George Miller have a bill to fix that by lifting the minimum wage to $10.10. This will help families. It will give businesses customers with more money to spend. It doesn’t involve any new bureaucratic program. So join the rest of the country. Say yes. Give America a raise.

There are other steps we can take to help families make ends meet, and few are more effective at reducing inequality and helping families pull themselves up through hard work than the Earned Income Tax Credit. Right now, it helps about half of all parents at some point. But I agree with Republicans like Senator Rubio that it doesn’t do enough for single workers who don’t have kids. So let’s work together to strengthen the credit, reward work, and help more Americans get ahead.

Let’s do more to help Americans save for retirement. Today, most workers don’t have a pension. A Social Security check often isn’t enough on its own. And while the stock market has doubled over the last five years, that doesn’t help folks who don’t have 401ks. That’s why, tomorrow, I will direct the Treasury to create a new way for working Americans to start their own retirement savings: MyRA. It’s a new savings bond that encourages folks to build a nest egg. MyRA guarantees a decent return with no risk of losing what you put in. And if this Congress wants to help, work with me to fix an upside-down tax code that gives big tax breaks to help the wealthy save, but does little to nothing for middle-class Americans. Offer every American access to an automatic IRA on the job, so they can save at work just like everyone in this chamber can. And since the most important investment many families make is their home, send me legislation that protects taxpayers from footing the bill for a housing crisis ever again, and keeps the dream of homeownership alive for future generations of Americans.

One last point on financial security. For decades, few things exposed hard-working families to economic hardship more than a broken health care system. And in case you haven’t heard, we’re in the process of fixing that.

A pre-existing condition used to mean that someone like Amanda Shelley, a physician assistant and single mom from Arizona, couldn’t get health insurance. But on January 1st, she got covered. On January 3rd, she felt a sharp pain. On January 6th, she had emergency surgery. Just one week earlier, Amanda said, that surgery would’ve meant bankruptcy.

That’s what health insurance reform is all about – the peace of mind that if misfortune strikes, you don’t have to lose everything.

Already, because of the Affordable Care Act, more than three million Americans under age 26 have gained coverage under their parents’ plans.

More than nine million Americans have signed up for private health insurance or Medicaid coverage.

And here’s another number: zero. Because of this law, no American can ever again be dropped or denied coverage for a preexisting condition like asthma, back pain, or cancer. No woman can ever be charged more just because she’s a woman. And we did all this while adding years to Medicare’s finances, keeping Medicare premiums flat, and lowering prescription costs for millions of seniors.

Now, I don’t expect to convince my Republican friends on the merits of this law. But I know that the American people aren’t interested in refighting old battles. So again, if you have specific plans to cut costs, cover more people, and increase choice – tell America what you’d do differently. Let’s see if the numbers add up. But let’s not have another forty-something votes to repeal a law that’s already helping millions of Americans like Amanda. The first forty were plenty. We got it. We all owe it to the American people to say what we’re for, not just what we’re against.

And if you want to know the real impact this law is having, just talk to Governor Steve Beshear of Kentucky, who’s here tonight. Kentucky’s not the most liberal part of the country, but he’s like a man possessed when it comes to covering his commonwealth’s families. “They are our friends and neighbors,” he said. “They are people we shop and go to church with…farmers out on the tractors…grocery clerks…they are people who go to work every morning praying they don’t get sick. No one deserves to live that way.”

Steve’s right. That’s why, tonight, I ask every American who knows someone without health insurance to help them get covered by March 31st. Moms, get on your kids to sign up. Kids, call your mom and walk her through the application. It will give her some peace of mind – plus, she’ll appreciate hearing from you.

After all, that’s the spirit that has always moved this nation forward. It’s the spirit of citizenship – the recognition that through hard work and responsibility, we can pursue our individual dreams, but still come together as one American family to make sure the next generation can pursue its dreams as well.

Citizenship means standing up for everyone’s right to vote. Last year, part of the Voting Rights Act was weakened. But conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats are working together to strengthen it; and the bipartisan commission I appointed last year has offered reforms so that no one has to wait more than a half hour to vote. Let’s support these efforts. It should be the power of our vote, not the size of our bank account, that drives our democracy.

Citizenship means standing up for the lives that gun violence steals from us each day. I have seen the courage of parents, students, pastors, and police officers all over this country who say “we are not afraid,” and I intend to keep trying, with or without Congress, to help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters, shopping malls, or schools like Sandy Hook.

Citizenship demands a sense of common cause; participation in the hard work of self-government; an obligation to serve to our communities. And I know this chamber agrees that few Americans give more to their country than our diplomats and the men and women of the United States Armed Forces.

Tonight, because of the extraordinary troops and civilians who risk and lay down their lives to keep us free, the United States is more secure. When I took office, nearly 180,000 Americans were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Today, all our troops are out of Iraq. More than 60,000 of our troops have already come home from Afghanistan. With Afghan forces now in the lead for their own security, our troops have moved to a support role. Together with our allies, we will complete our mission there by the end of this year, and America’s longest war will finally be over.

After 2014, we will support a unified Afghanistan as it takes responsibility for its own future. If the Afghan government signs a security agreement that we have negotiated, a small force of Americans could remain in Afghanistan with NATO allies to carry out two narrow missions: training and assisting Afghan forces, and counterterrorism operations to pursue any remnants of al Qaeda. For while our relationship with Afghanistan will change, one thing will not: our resolve that terrorists do not launch attacks against our country.

The fact is, that danger remains. While we have put al Qaeda’s core leadership on a path to defeat, the threat has evolved, as al Qaeda affiliates and other extremists take root in different parts of the world. In Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and Mali, we have to keep working with partners to disrupt and disable these networks. In Syria, we’ll support the opposition that rejects the agenda of terrorist networks. Here at home, we’ll keep strengthening our defenses, and combat new threats like cyberattacks. And as we reform our defense budget, we have to keep faith with our men and women in uniform, and invest in the capabilities they need to succeed in future missions.

We have to remain vigilant. But I strongly believe our leadership and our security cannot depend on our military alone. As Commander-in-Chief, I have used force when needed to protect the American people, and I will never hesitate to do so as long as I hold this office. But I will not send our troops into harm’s way unless it’s truly necessary; nor will I allow our sons and daughters to be mired in open-ended conflicts. We must fight the battles that need to be fought, not those that terrorists prefer from us – large-scale deployments that drain our strength and may ultimately feed extremism.

So, even as we aggressively pursue terrorist networks – through more targeted efforts and by building the capacity of our foreign partners – America must move off a permanent war footing. That’s why I’ve imposed prudent limits on the use of drones – for we will not be safer if people abroad believe we strike within their countries without regard for the consequence. That’s why, working with this Congress, I will reform our surveillance programs – because the vital work of our intelligence community depends on public confidence, here and abroad, that the privacy of ordinary people is not being violated. And with the Afghan war ending, this needs to be the year Congress lifts the remaining restrictions on detainee transfers and we close the prison at Guantanamo Bay – because we counter terrorism not just through intelligence and military action, but by remaining true to our Constitutional ideals, and setting an example for the rest of the world.

You see, in a world of complex threats, our security and leadership depends on all elements of our power – including strong and principled diplomacy. American diplomacy has rallied more than fifty countries to prevent nuclear materials from falling into the wrong hands, and allowed us to reduce our own reliance on Cold War stockpiles. American diplomacy, backed by the threat of force, is why Syria’s chemical weapons are being eliminated, and we will continue to work with the international community to usher in the future the Syrian people deserve – a future free of dictatorship, terror and fear. As we speak, American diplomacy is supporting Israelis and Palestinians as they engage in difficult but necessary talks to end the conflict there; to achieve dignity and an independent state for Palestinians, and lasting peace and security for the State of Israel – a Jewish state that knows America will always be at their side.

And it is American diplomacy, backed by pressure, that has halted the progress of Iran’s nuclear program – and rolled parts of that program back – for the very first time in a decade. As we gather here tonight, Iran has begun to eliminate its stockpile of higher levels of enriched uranium. It is not installing advanced centrifuges. Unprecedented inspections help the world verify, every day, that Iran is not building a bomb. And with our allies and partners, we’re engaged in negotiations to see if we can peacefully achieve a goal we all share: preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

These negotiations will be difficult. They may not succeed. We are clear-eyed about Iran’s support for terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, which threaten our allies; and the mistrust between our nations cannot be wished away. But these negotiations do not rely on trust; any long-term deal we agree to must be based on verifiable action that convinces us and the international community that Iran is not building a nuclear bomb. If John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan could negotiate with the Soviet Union, then surely a strong and confident America can negotiate with less powerful adversaries today.

The sanctions that we put in place helped make this opportunity possible. But let me be clear: if this Congress sends me a new sanctions bill now that threatens to derail these talks, I will veto it. For the sake of our national security, we must give diplomacy a chance to succeed. If Iran’s leaders do not seize this opportunity, then I will be the first to call for more sanctions, and stand ready to exercise all options to make sure Iran does not build a nuclear weapon. But if Iran’s leaders do seize the chance, then Iran could take an important step to rejoin the community of nations, and we will have resolved one of the leading security challenges of our time without the risks of war.

Finally, let’s remember that our leadership is defined not just by our defense against threats, but by the enormous opportunities to do good and promote understanding around the globe – to forge greater cooperation, to expand new markets, to free people from fear and want. And no one is better positioned to take advantage of those opportunities than America.

Our alliance with Europe remains the strongest the world has ever known. From Tunisia to Burma, we’re supporting those who are willing to do the hard work of building democracy. In Ukraine, we stand for the principle that all people have the right to express themselves freely and peacefully, and have a say in their country’s future. Across Africa, we’re bringing together businesses and governments to double access to electricity and help end extreme poverty. In the Americas, we are building new ties of commerce, but we’re also expanding cultural and educational exchanges among young people. And we will continue to focus on the Asia-Pacific, where we support our allies, shape a future of greater security and prosperity, and extend a hand to those devastated by disaster – as we did in the Philippines, when our Marines and civilians rushed to aid those battered by a typhoon, and were greeted with words like, “We will never forget your kindness” and “God bless America!”

We do these things because they help promote our long-term security. And we do them because we believe in the inherent dignity and equality of every human being, regardless of race or religion, creed or sexual orientation. And next week, the world will see one expression of that commitment – when Team USA marches the red, white, and blue into the Olympic Stadium – and brings home the gold.

My fellow Americans, no other country in the world does what we do. On every issue, the world turns to us, not simply because of the size of our economy or our military might – but because of the ideals we stand for, and the burdens we bear to advance them.

No one knows this better than those who serve in uniform. As this time of war draws to a close, a new generation of heroes returns to civilian life. We’ll keep slashing that backlog so our veterans receive the benefits they’ve earned, and our wounded warriors receive the health care – including the mental health care – that they need. We’ll keep working to help all our veterans translate their skills and leadership into jobs here at home. And we all continue to join forces to honor and support our remarkable military families.

Let me tell you about one of those families I’ve come to know.

I first met Cory Remsburg, a proud Army Ranger, at Omaha Beach on the 65th anniversary of D-Day. Along with some of his fellow Rangers, he walked me through the program – a strong, impressive young man, with an easy manner, sharp as a tack. We joked around, and took pictures, and I told him to stay in touch.

A few months later, on his tenth deployment, Cory was nearly killed by a massive roadside bomb in Afghanistan. His comrades found him in a canal, face down, underwater, shrapnel in his brain.

For months, he lay in a coma. The next time I met him, in the hospital, he couldn’t speak; he could barely move. Over the years, he’s endured dozens of surgeries and procedures, and hours of grueling rehab every day.

Even now, Cory is still blind in one eye. He still struggles on his left side. But slowly, steadily, with the support of caregivers like his dad Craig, and the community around him, Cory has grown stronger. Day by day, he’s learned to speak again and stand again and walk again – and he’s working toward the day when he can serve his country again.

“My recovery has not been easy,” he says. “Nothing in life that’s worth anything is easy.”

Cory is here tonight. And like the Army he loves, like the America he serves, Sergeant First Class Cory Remsburg never gives up, and he does not quit.

My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress – to create and build and expand the possibilities of individual achievement; to free other nations from tyranny and fear; to promote justice, and fairness, and equality under the law, so that the words set to paper by our founders are made real for every citizen. The America we want for our kids – a rising America where honest work is plentiful and communities are strong; where prosperity is widely shared and opportunity for all lets us go as far as our dreams and toil will take us – none of it is easy. But if we work together; if we summon what is best in us, with our feet planted firmly in today but our eyes cast towards tomorrow – I know it’s within our reach.

Believe it.

God bless you, and God bless the United States of America.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/01/28/president-barack-obamas-state-union-address

How the hell is this "political hack" still President?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:51 PM

124. Also, please

contact your Senator and tell her she is completely mistaken about the leadership abilities of the "political hack."

Statement by Senator Warren on President Obama's State of the Union Address

Washington, DC – United States Senator Elizabeth Warren today released the following statement in reaction to President Obama’s State of the Union address:

“President Obama laid out an encouraging plan for how we can move our country forward. The President showed he is ready to take action now to help level the playing field for hard-working families. Raising the minimum wage for federal contract workers and expanding access to early childhood education are important steps, and I applaud the president's leadership. Even so, we need to do more together to ensure that all of our kids have a chance at a quality, affordable education and real opportunities for success. I’m committed to working with my colleagues in the Senate to make the kinds of investments in education, research, and infrastructure that help us build a future – not just for some of us, but for all of us.”

http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=325

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024407391

Set her straight.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #124)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:29 PM

225. Nailed it! n/t

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:56 PM

126. Yes

"Ask me, and I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place. I saw a man talk like a Greenpeace activist while promoting or ignoring the dirtiest fuel industries in the business. I saw a man honor a ten-times-deployed wounded veteran with an "Oops." I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul. "

this is a pandering that I am _extremely_ tired of... sick even, as you say.

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Response to Agony (Reply #126)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:58 PM

129. No

"I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place."

...that's nonsense.

Executive order on federal contracting means real action on economic mobility

By Heather C. McGhee and Amy Traub

When it comes to boosting economic opportunity, President Obama isn’t going to wait for Congress anymore...the President made a powerful statement about employers’ obligation to reward work -- starting with his own obligation as the executive in charge of millions of federal contracts.

In a study we released last May, Demos found that nearly two million private sector employees paid with federal tax dollars through contracts, loans, grants, leases and health spending, earn wages too low to support a family. These are people working on behalf of America, doing jobs that we have decided are worthy of public funds—yet they’re being treated in a very un-American way. That’s why federal workers have been walking off the job for the last year...Now the President has taken a major step to lift up hundreds of thousands of those workers. In the process, the president will help families work their way up out of poverty and give new momentum to efforts to raise the minimum wage for everyone laboring too hard for too little in today’s low-pay economy.

The truth is that preferring contractors who pay workers at least $10.10 an hour will have benefits far beyond the workers themselves and their families. When our tax dollars subsidize and promote the creation of low-wage jobs rather than positions that enable workers to afford the necessities of life, there is a ripple effect throughout the economy: poorly-paid workers have less to spend in their communities, and businesses facing less consumer demand in turn hire fewer workers, stunting economic recovery. Low-paid workers also contribute less in taxes and more often need public benefits to provide for their families....From the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act onward, the idea that the federal government should be a model employer – and that employees working on behalf of the public should have strong workplace protections – has an extensive history in our country. The use of executive orders to improve the employment practices of companies granted federal contracts also has a long precedent. Beginning in 1941, successive presidents from both parties signed executive orders aimed at preventing employment discrimination by federal contractors. President Obama’s order raising wages for companies that do business with the federal government follows this successful precedent.

If the cost of federal contracts is a concern, the spotlight should be not on the employees who will finally see a raise to $10.10 an hour, but rather on the over $21 billion a year the government spends on the pay of their bosses, the top executives at contracting firms. After Demos put a number on this subsidy of executive excess in a September report, Congress included a lower maximum pay reimbursement for contractors in its December budget deal. But even the lower cap still provides executives a roughly $234.00 an hour subsidy. When you consider that our current contracting system fuels inequality through both lavish compensation for CEOs and poverty wages for front-line workers, it becomes clear where cost-cutting efforts should be focused.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/196837-executive-order-on-federal-contracting-means-real-action

On the lower cap for maximum pay...

Varied views on new contractor-pay cap

By Josh Hicks

Federal worker unions have applauded a new limit on pay for government contractors, but one industry group has warned that the “arbitrary” cap will cause problems for those who do business with federal agencies.

The restriction, which came as part of the new budget deal Congress and President Obama approved last month, reduced the highest level of contractor compensation from its previous annual limit of $952,000 per individual to $487,000 per individual, a drop of nearly 49 percent.

The Professional Services Council, a group that represents the professional- and technical-services industries, said in a statement on Friday that the rule will “inhibit the ability of companies to attract top talent.”

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The American Federation of Government Employees has argued since at least last year for lowering the limit to $230,700, which would match Vice President Biden’s salary in 2013. The organization included that proposal in its list of 2014 legislative priorities.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/01/03/varied-views-on-new-contractor-pay-cap/

Obama pushes to limit federal spending on corporate executive pay
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022927167

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Response to ProSense (Reply #129)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:29 PM

170. nibbling at the edges while an Apollo Program is required

is not leadership. No one here hates President Obama.

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Response to Agony (Reply #170)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:34 PM

177. Yup,

"nibbling at the edges while an Apollo Program is required is not leadership."

...the "teflon not-my-problem political hack" is just "nibbling" away providing health care to tens of millions.

Medicaid Expansion Has Already Cut The Number Of Uninsured West Virginians By A Third
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024366112

From 'I don't want any part of Obamacare' to 'It's a godsend'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024349685

Obamacare Will Help Reduce Income Inequality

by TomP

Obamacare is far from perfect. Many of us have long sought a single payer system, but that was not doable in 2010. Perhaps a public option was, and it is unfortunate that we did not achieve that. It is one of the reforms to Obamacare that progressives should fight for.

My post today is about some good news. A study from the Brookings Institution shows that Obamacare will help reduce income inequality. Of course, much more is needed, but it all adds up. This is a step forward. (Raising the minimum wage also is very important because it will cause a bump in wages at minimum wage and wages above it (and it likely will have to be done state-by-state).)

Here's the study on Obamacare and inequality:

THE ARCHITECTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT (ACA) sought to expand health insurance coverage, slow the growth of health care spending, and improve the quality of care. Changing the distribution of incomes was not a stated objective. Nonetheless, the ACA may do more to change the income distribution than any other recently enacted law. It does so by requiring employers to offer affordable health insurance to their full-time employees, by providing refundable tax credits to help make private health insurance affordable, and by expanding eligibility for Medicaid. The law penalizes nonpoor adults who are offered affordable coverage and do not buy it. It reduces subsidies for some Medicare plans and imposes new taxes on the labor and investment incomes of high-income families. In each of these ways, the new health law will change the net incomes of Americans at all income levels.

Brookings Institution: POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ON INCOME INEQUALITY

You can read the entire study at that link. Here is a synopsis from TPM:

Obamacare is poised to mitigate soaring inequality by raising the incomes of the poorest Americans, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution.

By 2016, when its core provisions will have fully taken effect, the law will lift the average incomes of the bottom one-fifth of earners by nearly 6 percent, and the incomes of the bottom one-tenth by more than 7 percent, the study found.

The "great majority" of beneficiaries of the law's subsidies and Medicaid expansion will be in the bottom half -- and the "overwhelmingly majority" in the bottom third -- of the income distribution.

Obamacare is worth defending.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/27/1272820/-Obamacare-Will-Help-Reduce-Income-Inequality

Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415

The new heatlh care law raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.

Net Investment Income Tax

A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.

Additional Medicare Tax

A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual’s wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individual’s filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions






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Response to ProSense (Reply #177)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:49 PM

186. There you go again changing the subject...

the ACA is a reasonable step in the right direction however Will's article only mentioned health care in passing.

Like I said, no one here hates President Obama.

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Response to Agony (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:57 PM

188. How is it

"There you go again changing the subject...

the ACA is a reasonable step in the right direction however Will's article only mentioned health care in passing.

Like I said, no one here hates President Obama."

...changing the subject if health care was "mentioned"?

Yeah, you said that, but I beg to differ. I mean, a speech full of proposals is reduced being dismissed by the OP, hiding behind his disdain for a tribute to a soldier.

It's transparent.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:57 PM

127. THANK YOU

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:57 PM

128. The loyalists dont recognize that rhetoric is a tool used by politicians in speeches.

 

On the one hand he claimed he is against the gross wealth inequality and on the other hand he works hand in hand with Penny Pritzker on the TPP which will exacerbate that same wealth inequality. That is insanity. But it does fool the loyalists.

I think the real heroes are those vets that line our streets in the rain begging for food because their society failed them.

Dont get me wrong, my heart goes out to Cory Remsburg. But my stomached turned to see the 1% condescendingly applaud him. Thanking him for serving them so their loved ones wouldnt have to serve. The war profiteers thanking him as they count their ill gotten gains.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #128)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:04 PM

132. The haters don't recognize that the OP is hyperbolic silliness. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:04 PM

191. I'm trying to decide whether to tweet this or not.

All the different Democratic and Progressive activist groups I belong to would have the same reactions we've had. But does DU deserve to be associated with it? It seems fairly representative if replies and recs are the judge. And if treatment of the posters who disagree with it is anything to go by. Perhaps people need a heads up on that as well, without actually putting it into words of course. No need anyway. It's as plain as day.

What do you think?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:18 PM

195. The haters are too busy spewing hatred toward whistle-blowers. Asking for

 

accountability from an elected official isnt hate.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #195)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:23 PM

196. Fuck Snowden.

"Asking for accountability from an elected official isnt hate."

The OP isn't a call for "accountability," it's knee-jerk nonsense. It's a predetermined response that found a crutch, the tribute to the soldier.

I mean, that's what this is all about.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #196)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:31 PM

199. I think that pretty well sums up your complete intellectual argument. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #128)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:16 PM

194. As a vet I am offended.

I agree with your sentiment and Mr. Rivers as well. If these barf bags really cared, they'd be restricting tours to two at max. They depend on the poor, minorities and illegal aliens to tote the barge line when there should be a draft if we're really serious about just war. No, this is a money racket and always has been.
Save that fake applause for when they fund real veterans in their plight after hell. Most wounded vets will live a life just above abject poverty. And people buy stickers that state 'Support our Troops' and they feel somehow they've done enough.
I know people that 'only' did three tours in VN and some of them are way strong on the kray kray. Can you imagine ten?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #128)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:38 AM

281. TPP is political leveraging with Asia and Russia.

It's basically an intellectual property agreement which would harm US interests but geopolitically it is seen as a necessary step to prevent Russia from further leveraging against us. This is not my opinion this is the opinion of RT.com.

Obama's biggest issue is he has shitty advisers. I hope the next President we elect refuses to put GOPers in their cabinet. This isn't the way to run government. The idea that US economic interests should cede to US geopolitical interests is abhorrent.

And no I'm not a fucking loyalist. Would a loyalist say Obama had shitty advisers and was wrong to put GOPers in his cabinet?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #281)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:12 AM

295. I agree with your post and hope you didnt think I was calling you a loyalist.

 

To me a loyalist is one that puts loyalty above principles. One that wont discuss the merits of an issue but defends their leader with ridicule and ad hominem attacks. They are easy to spot. When you ask them to discuss an issue like the TPP, they will not. They rely on ridicule and mockery to try to shut up opposition.

Political speeches are full of rhetoric and I dont mean that in a pejorative way. The Pres didnt say he supported the TPP and he didnt say he opposed it. I dont think anyone believes that he opposes the TPP. It's absurd to argue over his exact words when he is using rhetoric.

Again I am not aiming these comments at you.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #128)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:41 AM

300. That's the crux of it...


"Dont get me wrong, my heart goes out to Cory Remsburg. But my stomached turned to see the 1% condescendingly applaud him. Thanking him for serving them so their loved ones wouldnt have to serve. The war profiteers thanking him as they count their ill gotten gains."

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Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:48 PM

314. "those vets that line our streets in the rain begging for food" ...

 

I can tell you from personal experience that at least 20% of those that showed up at a outdoor food line every weekend I helped out at for 5 years were vets.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:03 PM

130. I am glad that I skipped the speech.

 

I am continuing my personal ironman streak of skipping the sotu. It is several decades long. I would have thrown up in my lap. I'll leave it to the crotch-grabbing war loving losers.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:22 PM

141. Thanks, Will, for eloquently standing up for DU values

…the kind that were not debatable on this board at one time. Apparently, there are many on this thread who don't "get" what those are, and maybe never did.



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Response to radiclib (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:25 PM

144. When did "DU values" become hate and hyperbole? n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:32 PM

150. Nice try

Please cite an example of "hate" in the piece. And maybe you think 10 deployments is exaggeration. Or what "free trade" is doing to this country is overblown. Or what happened in West Virginia was some liberal dystopian fantasy.
"Hyperbole"? I don't think so. Nice pom poms, though.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #150)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:36 PM

154. Oh,

"Please cite an example of 'hate' in the piece."

...I'm wonder if it's really hate. I mean, I'm sure the OP donated, supported and voted for the "teflon not-my-problem political hack" twice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024414439#post120

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Response to ProSense (Reply #154)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:43 PM

156. Of course. He voted for him, so he can't criticize him.

It's all about what team you're on. Thanks for reminding me, Pro. You're really good at that

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Response to radiclib (Reply #156)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:57 PM

159. Sure, he can

"Of course. He voted for him, so he can't criticize him."

I think "teflon not-my-problem political hack" is appropriate criticism, you?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #159)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:05 PM

162. Exact quote:

It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.


He's not calling Obama a hack. He's saying he's acting like one. But I guess he hurt your feelings.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #162)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:12 PM

165. LOL!

"He's not calling Obama a hack. He's saying he's acting like one. But I guess he hurt your feelings."

I guess, that makes it OK, right? Still, are you sure?

Exact quote:

Instead, Mr. Obama said this: "My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress..."

We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.

It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.

If you ask the right people, they'll tell you it was a great speech.

Ask me, and I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place. I saw a man talk like a Greenpeace activist while promoting or ignoring the dirtiest fuel industries in the business. I saw a man honor a ten-times-deployed wounded veteran with an "Oops." I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul.

I guess the wrong "people," like the OP, is here to tell you the speech sucked! Why did it suck: Three threads on a tribute to a [strike]soldier[/strike] "prop" is a clue.

LOL!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:23 PM

169. When did you join again? that date.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #169)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:29 PM

171. "Member since: Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:25 PM "

Welcome to DU.



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Response to bobduca (Reply #169)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:31 PM

174. Aww thanks you are so welcoming and pleasant when not working your job!

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Response to bobduca (Reply #174)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:35 PM

178. Why are you talking to yourself?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #178)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:36 PM

181. because i keep you on full ignore and it becomes difficult sometimes

But i'm glad to see Mr Roffles is back on the job!

Change that narrative with your constant spam, you can do it! Pete Peterson is depending on your brave cosplay act here!

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Response to bobduca (Reply #181)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:48 PM

185. LOL!



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Response to ProSense (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:30 PM

198. When the conservatives crawled into our tent.

 

If the OP seems to be hateful, it's hating income inequality and the exploitation of our middle and lower classes. Those that will not question their leader apparently are satisfied with the status quo.

You cant be against income inequality and support the TPP. Penny Pritzker and the TPP will be the final nail in our coffin.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #198)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:47 PM

203. So you admit this is about hate and hyperbole?

"If the OP seems to be hateful, it's hating income inequality and the exploitation of our middle and lower classes. Those that will not question their leader apparently are satisfied with the status quo.

You cant be against income inequality and support the TPP. Penny Pritzker and the TPP will be the final nail in our coffin. "

Please, spare me the self-righteous rant.

Tens of millions of people gained access to health care, and a lot of self-righteous people had no problem advocating "kill the bill."

A lot of self-righteous people don't give a damn about the gains there, but being against TPP makes you an uber progressive? Spare me.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #203)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:10 AM

236. The gains? Oh that's right corporate profits are at an all time high. The Corporatists

 

are ecstatic.

But demands at local food banks are also at an all time high.

What message would you have me tell those that come in once a month for 3 days worth of food, those who are losing their food stamps. Maybe I can tell them that Goldman-Sachs profits are up.

High school students use our bath room to change in the morning and clean up a little before school. We are trying to scrape up funds for a shower.

Most of our donations come from middle class families which have been hit hard by the recession. Therefore donations are down. The soup kitchens are overwhelmed. But I bet this is falling on deaf ears. Yeah TPP, yeah 1%.

Tell us how much you admire Penny Pritzker.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #144)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:17 AM

296. Mostly since you showed up

to criticize folks who have a lifetime of consistent liberal stances on issues. Folks who are not comfortable bending themselves into pretzels to back policies they 100% do not agree with. Folks who are able to be introspective, think for themselves, write from their hearts, share their misgivings. But there is no room on the new DU for anyone who isn't posting a daily dose of fanfiction.

I am not a belieber. Obama's "Yes we can" became "No you didn't" very quickly, and nothing you say or do will change this one incontrovertible fact.

He used the soldier in much the same way Bush used to do it, exploiting men and women in uniform to serve as backdrops for his speeches. It was sickening then, and it is no less so now.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #296)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:23 AM

298. You know what

"Mostly since you showed up to criticize folks who have a lifetime of consistent liberal stances on issues. Folks who are not comfortable bending themselves into pretzels to back policies they 100% do not agree with. Folks who are able to be introspective, think for themselves, write from their hearts, share their misgivings. But there is no room on the new DU for anyone who isn't posting a daily dose of fanfiction."

...get over yourself. No self-respecting liberal or progressive would support such a nonsensical OP.

Joke: "think for themselves"

Yeah, following behind a handful of posters and hi-fiving any nonsense they post qualifies.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #298)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:54 PM

310. That is exactly what you expect of us

Blind unquestioning loyalty to your fearless leader. Laugh at those who question. Label our concerns as "nonsense." Anything to promote your brand. Write fanfiction day in and day out to mitigate, explain away, and detract attention from the bad choices Obama has made since the day he took office.

He is the one who has divided Democrats. And you have been his sycophantic cheerleader all the way.

I have not really responded to you before as I didn't think it was worth the effort, but there are times when people of conscience need to stand up and be counted. You are the divisive element at DU. Your perpetual need to make fun of others when we have serious issues reflects your lack of a real argument. ROFL smilie as a defense of one's position makes one look like a buffoon not a person worthy of debating.

Sadly, you seem to be a one dimensional thinker -- one sided, biased, and slanted. Your posts are propaganda. It does nothing to help our party move forward. In fact, you accomplish the opposite. You drive away the only allies you will ever likely have.

When Obama leaves the White House, I don't know what you will do with yourself. But go ahead and congratulate yourself on the division you've caused.

The "handful" of posters who are brave enough to speak out in the new DU grows larger by the day. And many of them are the ones who were here fighting from the start when we were a community that cared about one another. We preferred hi-fiving and hugging each other to rolling on the floor mocking and putting each other down.

I think people a lot more eloquent than me have already told you this, but you are so bent on unifying us by destroying us that you can't see how your plans backfire and creates the exact opposite outcome you expect. What you create is more people questioning, not less.

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Response to radiclib (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:26 PM

147. they will care again in three years

the hypocrisy will wear off

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Response to Skittles (Reply #147)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:33 PM

151. In "three years," it will be

Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023950882



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Response to ProSense (Reply #151)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:31 PM

175. Until she gets tossed under the bus...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:25 PM

145. As a vet

I feel the same way, Mr. Pitt.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:42 PM

155. DURec.

The State of the Union Address is no longer about the State of Our Union,
but has devolved into a Marketing Scam, much like the Presidential Debates.

I feel much the same way about the SOTU as the League of Women Voters when they refused to host
the debates in 1987.

Control of the presidential debates has been a ground of struggle for more than two decades. The role was filled by the nonpartisan League of Women Voters (LWV) civic organization in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[5] In 1987, the LWV withdrew from debate sponsorship, in protest of the major party candidates attempting to dictate nearly every aspect of how the debates were conducted. On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release:[9]

The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. [font size=3] It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.[/font]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates



My Impression of the SOTU:
campaign-trail charade devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions





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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:45 PM

157. Another Kick...for a well written article that must Resonate

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)

with the families and friends we've all LOST to these "9/11 WARS" and how we have been deceived.

I give Pitt a HUGE ...K&R for Daring to Come Out about this.

It can't have been easy for him to speak his mind about this... But, he did...and he deserves to be heard....

THERE NEEDS TO BE A "Turn in the Tides" every so often and PITT has managed to do this in his "own time"....but he's never given up...he's only "watched and waited" like the rest of us and when he'd had enough he SPOKE OUT!

and

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Response to Post removed (Reply #183)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:47 PM

184. +10000

sickening for sure.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #184)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:58 PM

205. Thanks bobduca

It truly does feel like one is surrounded by Republicans in DU sometimes.



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Response to bobduca (Reply #184)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:16 AM

238. Sorry bob...

the post you gave a +10000 just got hidden.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #238)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:39 AM

282. So what?

Doesn't make it untrue.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #238)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:27 AM

302. I can still see it,

...and agree,
and add another +10000.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #183)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:31 PM

200. Yup

Critical thinking is verboten, apparently. I think it's perfectly acceptable to criticize our leaders when they're trying to bullshit us. It amazes me that people that used to cheer Glenn Greenwald- when he was railing against Baby Bush's illegalities now scorn him for illustrating Obama's transgressions (oh and there's been a few). That's not independent thinking- that's addiction to a belief with no standing in fact.
You know... cheerleading! Yay!

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Response to Titonwan (Reply #200)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:56 PM

204. Welcome to DU

This place will definitely challenge you but I'm glad your here and I hope you stay. I'm so glad to meet another person who requires Empirical Evidence.

Hope to see more of you!



-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #204)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:03 PM

206. I've been a member for a long time, brah.

I just don't speak much. Mebbe that's a good thing since I've gotten four 'post removed' in the last freakin' month. This used to be a liberal joint. Don't know about now... (note to self: ignore cheerleaders with massive post counts)

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Response to Titonwan (Reply #206)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:05 PM

207. Nice!



I hear and obey. I mean really, thanks for pointing out the obvious that I could not see.

-p

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:13 PM

166. Pathetic attempt at a recovery

 

does Obama still hurt your soul, Will? Is he still the evilest man in the world?

gawd.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:32 PM

176. Kick

to the gut

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:00 PM

189. It seems that the posts in this thread have a common theme.

We're all disappointed in someone we previously respected.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #189)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:11 PM

193. Close.

One side is definitely NOT disappointed.

-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #193)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:19 PM

213. Oh? I didn't realize there were "sides".

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Response to blue neen (Reply #213)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:33 PM

216. OK then,

If you can't discern that from the posts, then you are a bit metaphysical for me.

Of course there aren't sides as we all want the same thing it's the path to that, and right now there's a discrepancy.

I think a major part of this discrepancy is the lack of "face to face" thanks to the internet. On a web page we're all doing great, in real life, not so much. Why emphasis on a particular topic is more shrill than others in posts, history or the "lack of" on particulars in debates, etc...

What's your answer?

-p

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Response to blue neen (Reply #189)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:24 PM

215. +1

 

Heh. Nicely done.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #215)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:56 PM

232. I think I am tired of blind worship

I can play that game too

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Response to Skittles (Reply #232)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:19 PM

312. One worships gods not presidents

The adulation at the altar of Obama is way to reminiscent of the GOP and their Reagan worship. These are unhealthy and delusional obsessions. I will probably be banned from posting on this thread soon because that is what passes for debate around here these days, so just wanted to thank you and Will for your courage, and for continuing to speak your mind.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #189)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:56 PM

317. Apparently you have not been assimilated.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:40 PM

201. Beatles' "Nowhere Man:"

 


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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #214)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:01 PM

220. "Yup. Here we go. Again."

lost opportunity is fucking sad...

Agony

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Response to Agony (Reply #220)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:12 PM

221. Oh give me a break.

I posted about lost opportunity when O lost the majority, of which William Pitt, was one of the first to douse me in flames and demean me. That was ABOUT "lost opportunity"!

Now that Will says it it's cool!?

This place is fucking upside down. Sorry Will, I'll never support you in any thread ever again.



-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #221)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:17 AM

284. .



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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #214)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:20 PM

222. From your link

"And there have been disappointments. A great, great many of them. The words we heard were beautiful back then, soaring and sure, and many believed. How could they not? Here was this new president who could sing the birds down from the trees, who was introduced to the country in 2004 by way of a convention keynote address that blew the roof off the joint. Some years later, along the jagged, wending path of a brutal primary campaign, candidate Obama was carried to the nomination by the power of his words, and yes, many believed, even in spite of themselves."

And they still do. It's a sickness wrought by full scale propaganda and nationalism.

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Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:28 AM

244. I'm not sure what you want of him.

He is not an Occupy protester. He's not a Greenpeace activist. He is not even really a liberal. We have all known this for some time.

However, the way you speak of him, Mr. Pitt, makes him seem some kind of really evil, vicious man - but he isn't. What he is, is a President who has been falling behind in the polls, who has been fighting with a completely obnoxious, completely moronic congress to accomplish anything at all. When he does get something done, the left rips him apart for it as much as the right. I'm as guilty of this as anyone here - I've certainly criticized a number of the President's plans and accomplishments because I felt they didn't go far enough.

To say though, that this is all some kind of smoke screen, some kind of sickening play put on to pull the wool over our eyes... I think you go too far. I DO think that the President respects and honors that man's sacrifice. I honestly believe that Mr. Obama gives a damn - if I didn't think so, I wouldn't have voted for him.

I guess what it comes down to is that I still believe in him. He's done things I don't like (Arne Duncan, Tim Geithner, WTF? NSA, drones...) - and he's doing things even now (pushing for this trade deal) that make me wonder what the hell he could possibly be thinking... but I still think he's a man with a good heart and good intentions.

There's all kinds of things to be angry with the President over - to criticize him for. I do not believe this to be one of those things. I believe that he was honestly attempting to thank and to honor a man's service and sacrifice for his Country. I do not question his intent here. I believe it was honest and decent.

What is it you want, Mr. Pitt? Did you expect him to be hand in hand with the Occupy movement? With Greenpeace? We've always known he's far more moderate than that. I think that, overall, it was a good speech and I am grateful that he is at least making the attempt to move forward. He needs our support right now, not our condemnation. What happens in the next several months to come, is going to play a big part in whether or not democrats hold on to the senate... in the future of our Country. Obama is far from perfect - but for now, he is what we have to work with - and he's not such a bad guy.

I'm just not sure what you really expected of him. I think he did the best he could.

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Response to davidthegnome (Reply #244)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:59 AM

257. You know, I really liked what you had to say!

Very insightful. I have no idea what people's expectations are from the American perspective, but to me, your President is trying his best. I do not always agree with his stance but man, he is trying given all the obstructions by the GOP. He must be having bad hair days!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:44 AM

253. Mr. Pitt! I have no idea what you want President Obama to do

but if I were you, I would delete this screed. You are so wrong in so many ways. This President has tried his best for Americans and you are now bashing him. I suppose we see things differently. By the way, I used to like your articles on Truthout!

President Obama is not the enemy, he is trying given what he inherited. May I remind you that he inherited shit and after 5 years, shit does not turn into progress, it takes much longer.

Be well

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:35 AM

268. Can't. Be. Fixed.

 



- K&R

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #268)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:07 AM

272. And it goes all the way to the core.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:33 AM

280. Locust here, your article is pretty embarrassing.

If only because you compared Obama's mediocre speech on policy positions he's held for many years to OWS. I doubt you ever watched an OWS speech much less understood how radical they were in comparison to Obama's entire political career.

A "Greenpeace activist"? The environment barely hit on his radar, it is fitting, since he's been the one pushing hard for Keystone since day one. TPP? Rio+20? Environmental tragedies. He got rid of Lisa Jackson from the EPA, after she was the first to call CO2 a pollutant. She would've given him too much trouble going forward on Keystone. (Yes, the US's coal plant CO2 guidelines are an improvement, but they match the US's energy independence roadmap and are not a real commitment. The only thing good the administration did was fuel standards, but those were easy to get from car companies going under as political extortion for the bailout.)

But, hey, I can see why you'd be upset with Obama closing with a military guy after being oh so enamored by his speech. It bugged you. I think honestly if he saved the Iran stuff and ending war state stuff for the close, you wouldn't have given two shits about Remsburg's applause.

I don't see how that merits the hyperbole and hubris and overall exploitation of Remsburg to score some political talking points.

Don't worry, I won't expect a response, my phone has issues too sometimes.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:19 AM

285. "Embarrassing" isn't on the radar for the kewl opportunist.

Same as the Republicans who fling shit and hope it sticks, they are beyond considering what will be deemed "embarrassing." They don't care.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:14 AM

283. your words and delivery

 

always hits home. The truth will keep us free, I hope.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:20 AM

286. ......

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Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:26 AM

288. K&R....

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:11 AM

294. My husband and I always groan

when Brian Williams does one of his fluffy cotton candy feel good pieces on one of our soldiers that (for example) has lost both legs and comes home to complete an ultra marathon in 10 min.

Those happy clappy segments always smack of "Look he's BETTER then new!"

OF COURSE the soldier has triumphed over insurmountable odds. That isn't the point.

The disgusting part is that they have to do it in the first place.

Amazing that whooshes over so many heads here.

"It's the sugar that makes the poison taste sweet."

Indeed.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:45 AM

301. "Just a spoonful of sugar...

helps the medicine go down in a most delightful way."

from Mary Poppins

k&r

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Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:44 AM

304. His tenth deployment. We all know this is happening

and yet we sat there, stunned. My husband, who did ONE deployment in Vietnam, looked stricken.

Like I said, we all know this is happening, but when the president says it and points to a soldier with half his face gone, we are horrified.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:37 PM

308. Up

 

Because I'm a Freeper, apparently.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #308)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:52 PM

315. We luv you anyway.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:43 PM

309. Kick for a great article.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:44 PM

318. Crewleader's kick

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:24 PM

319. K&R

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #319)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:20 PM

320. Hey, I wanted to K&R.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:53 PM

321. kick

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