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[Zalatix]

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[TheMastersNemesis]

1. When Will Enough Be Enough

I wonder when enough will be enough. All of the parliamentary bean bag will be a loss for women. That is because the GOP is still saying "screw you". There are still legislative initiatives in the works that will continue to be passed through the year. And it will get much worse if the GOP stays in power or gets more power. Unless the GOP is overrun they will continue and double down. Even if they retreat they will be back like the cockroaches they are. You can count on it. The 2010 elections have been a complete disaster for women and the country in general.

[abelenkpe]

2. So...

the GOP is attacking women, children, the elderly, the needy and union workers? Should prolly add immigrants and Muslims and those seeking same sex marriage. If they win any election it will be a sad statement on humanity

[Zalatix]

4. Suddenly now, the GOP is now seeing major losses in the female voting group.

Why didn't that happen before?

What other explanation do you have besides "large numbers of women voters didn't get angry until the GOP turned their rage on us"?

[Zalatix]

8. Don't get WHAT? You don't even know what you're pissed off about.

Really, you don't. So back off.

[Rex]

20. Same shit.

Different day.

[lark]

58. If you think Dem women were complacent during the Vietnam War

you were living in a cave with no electricity. Quit the women bashing!

[Zalatix]

59. What about all the non-Democrat women? Why would anyone vote GOP?

[randome]

60. Women gave us Reagan and 20 years of suffering.

When will the pain go away???????

[shcrane71]

5. +1

Never fathomed that they'd come after the ladies! I suppose I spent too much time getting mani/pedis with the girls, going to coffee klatches, and shopping to recognize that my solidarity was needed. Well, what can we do to help? Should we bring brownies?

[ceile]

21. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

Really. Does the OP think we've had our head in the sand this whole time?

[randome]

6. You seem obsessed with trying to connect disparate concepts.

All these are different topics with different players and each deserves its own thread, of which there are already plenty.

[Zalatix]

9. Disparate concepts? You mean, besides the fact that the GOP have animosity

toward all of the above?

[randome]

13. Animosity toward HR 347?

You're just trying to slip in more paranoiac fears about how scary the government is.

[TheMastersNemesis]

11. One Thing Women Could Do

The cancer movement has its pink ribbon. One thing women could do or some organization could do it design a logo or pin to wear in public everywhere you go. It has to be catchy and something a person could make at home. A hard hitting lapel pin is one way. It could be posted on the internet and at women's forums. Make it an openly anti Republican arm band or something. Put "Stop the GOP war on women".

One is to make a button with a coat hanger on it and in the center put GOP Womens Health Plan. It could be an arm ban, a button, a lapel pin. There should be a national flag. Symbols are the fastest things to catch on.

[Luminous Animal]

51. "Women Are Watching. We Will Take Action"

Logo from the 1990s Women's Action Coalition

[randome]

55. Stop it!

Stop watching me!

[saras]

10. Protests? Pah. Did you quit your corporate jobs? Did you organize anticorporate communities?

Or did you work for them all your lives while protesting in your spare time?

Just asking... it does happen, you know.

[Zalatix]

12. Been doing Occupy protests for 4 months since they spread out West

I've been an active Democrat for 10 years.

[Zalatix]

28. I'll say again, in hopes of an answer.

Why is the GOP's poll standing with women so low now, and why wasn't it so low back during Reagan's time? The time for this level of outrage we're seeing now is LONG overdue.

[randome]

32. Are you a woman?

If not, I don't think you should be trying to direct their outrage for yourself.

[Zalatix]

36. So I take it I won't get an answer to this.

The GOP is suffering a huge drop in support among women voters.

Why didn't they suffer this drop decades ago? And why hasn't it STAYED this low for the last 30 years?

Your answer to that is a LOT of women voters didn't realize the obvious signs back then that WOMEN were on the GOP's hit list.

Please answer the question. It's the HEART of the point of the OP.

[randome]

40. No one knows. That's my answer.

Any more than we know why the Universe exists.

So can you move on to another thread that discusses the affectionate relationship between HR 347 and the Mayan Doomsday?

[Zalatix]

39. Not just GOP women, but also independents and uncommitted voters, too.

No woman in America should have voted for the GOP for the last 30 years.

[NNN0LHI]

14. This didn't begin in 2010

Try 1981.

Don

[Quantess]

15. Kind of a patronizing OP.

[ProSense]

16. Very

Dear Women of America... hopefully now you understand.<...>

The Plutocracy has demonized unions, then attacked them. Demonized Medicare and Social Security, and then attacked. Demonized protesters, and attacked them... brutally.

In light of this, you didn't think that, at some point, you would be next?

Solidarity. It's not just a word.

...weird post. It's as if you think women never understood solidarity and there are no women in unions or who care about Medicare and Social Security being attacked. Do you seriously believe there have been no women protesters who were "demonized" and attacked "brutally"?

WTF?

[Zalatix]

17. The GOP is suddenly suffering major losses with women voters now...

losses that should have materialized YEARS ago.

I'm not sure how to say that clearly enough. The polls clearly show a surge of opposition to the GOP from women who should have been opposed to the GOP at LEAST since Ronald Reagan. AT LEAST.

[ProSense]

24. Your

The GOP is suddenly suffering major losses with women voters now...

losses that should have materialized YEARS ago.

I'm not sure how to say that clearly enough. The polls clearly show a surge of opposition to the GOP from women who should have been opposed to the GOP at LEAST since Ronald Reagan. AT LEAST.

...point is condescending nonsense. There are still people in every demographic category voting for Republicans.

Why are the majority of white men still voting for them?

Stop pretending your snide remarks aimed a women is somehow enlightening.

[randome]

18. But they don't understand it in the context of HR 347.

Which I think is the point.

[Rex]

23. Yeah I got that too.

Some people missed it by a country mile.

[ProSense]

26. Actually,

"Yeah I got that too. Some people missed it by a country mile."

...the point is clear, as the edit illustrates:

Edit: The GOP is suffering a big drop in the polls among female voters. How did these women voters NOT see this coming since the days of Ronald Reagan? Am I speaking in error, were the GOP poll numbers this low back during Reagan's time? If this level of opposition to the GOP existed persistently since then well I apologize.

[Zalatix]

30. Dammit, can you please show the factual error in what I said?

[Rex]

35. Women are fleeing the GOP in droves

out of fear...funny how some don't care to notice that or even care that they do.

[Zalatix]

37. They should have fled back in 1980 when Reagan was running. That's my point.

Why is it that no one else understands this basic point?

[BlueCaliDem]

42. I did, and I wasn't the least bit offended by the OP.

Fact of the matter is, that there were still so many women voting for Republicans since Reagan says a lot about the American woman and her inability to think outside her main man's ideology. I just don't understand how women could vote for the GOP EVER, yet in the last election Sanctimonious got the majority of the women's vote! Are these women idiots or something??

[Rex]

43. Well after re-reading your OP

I can see how some people might feel you are 'ordering' them to understand by the way the OP is written.

IOW, it is more the way you wrote the OP imo, then the message you are trying to convey to people. The last thing a woman needs is a man 'barking' at her that she doesn't get something...I know that was not your intention, but I see it now.

[ProSense]

25. Yeah

But they don't understand it in the context of HR 347.

Which I think is the point.

...stupid women.

[Rex]

33. I don't think it was meant like that but

I can see you taking it that way.

[Zalatix]

38. It wasn't meant anything close to that.

Jeepers.

[Rex]

41. I get your OP and think what we are seeing

is a lot of tension and hurt feelings. I know you did not post an OP to offend women, just the opposite but it seems that is what is going to be percieved here. Too much tension over current events imo.

[ProSense]

44. You know

I get your OP and think what we are seeing

is a lot of tension and hurt feelings. I know you did not post an OP to offend women, just the opposite but it seems that is what is going to be percieved here. Too much tension over current events imo.

...after claiming that "I can see you taking it that way," it's interesting that you're attributing the criticism of this post to "hurt feelings."

Why on earth would women who have always voted for Democrats be criticizing this OP out of "hurt feelings"?

The OP is insensitive and patronizing. Women have been fighting this crap for decades, centuries. To suggest that women never understood "solidarity" and there are no women in unions or who care about Medicare and Social Security being attacked is out of line. Women protesters have been "demonized" and attacked "brutally" long before this current episode.

To suggest that women are reponsible for the GOP and their hatred toward women is disgusting!

[Zalatix]

47. Nobody said that women are responsible for the GOP and their hatred of women

Where did you get that from?

[ProSense]

50. Really?

"Nobody said that women are responsible for the GOP and their hatred of women...Where did you get that from?"

So you didn't suggest that Women didn't understand "solidarity" and blame them for not seeing this "coming since the days of Ronald Reagan"?

Dear Women of America... hopefully now you understand.<...>

The Plutocracy has demonized unions, then attacked them. Demonized Medicare and Social Security, and then attacked. Demonized protesters, and attacked them... brutally.

In light of this, you didn't think that, at some point, you would be next?

Solidarity. It's not just a word.

Edit: The GOP is suffering a big drop in the polls among female voters. How did these women voters NOT see this coming since the days of Ronald Reagan? Am I speaking in error, were the GOP poll numbers this low back during Reagan's time? If this level of opposition to the GOP existed persistently since then well I apologize.

[Zalatix]

53. Not seeing the GOP's hatred is not the same as being RESPONSIBLE for it.

[myrna minx]

48. Well said. The OP sounds like a patronizing scolding. n/t

[Rex]

49. 'To suggest that women are reponsible for the GOP and their hatred toward women is disgusting!'

How in the world you got to that point...is beyond me. That is not the point of the OP at all. And I can see you taking it that way...so what? I was talking about tension from current events playing a factor in this. You are completely off base on the point of the OP imo.

[Zalatix]

46. Yeah, I'm scratching my head that what's happening with women today

didn't happen in 1980 before Reagan won. The Reagan Revolution should have been aborted; it is the father of the entire mess we're in now.

[Quantess]

54. I would instead chalk it up to a very poorly thought out OP.

It also has nothing to do with tension over current events. It's just a total and complete miss. The writer seems to be coming from a position of cluelessness. If it were directed to an audience of GOP women, then okay fine, but... why wag a condescending finger at women here at DU? (or women in general)?

[Rex]

56. I just didn't read it that way.

Had no idea it was a callout to DUrs.

[myrna minx]

29. This is a rather patronizing and insulting OP.

[w8liftinglady]

52. I live in a dark Red area, and I know EXACTLY what you mean

Even HERE... women are surprisingly missing from the pre-election hoopla.Republican women are figuring out that Republican men could care less about their collective bodies or rights(and many are now voting Democratic behind closed doors)

Our primaries were moved to 05/29... much to the dismay of our Republican Party.We WILL be getting the women out to vote.

[Zalatix]

57. Everyone's slogan in 2012 should be 'never again'.