Michael Dunn (Loud Music Killer) Will Take the Stand Momentarily

[MoonRiver]

Jury about to be brought back, then we'll hear what this bottom feeder has to say for himself. HLN is covering the trial.

[alsame]

1. CNN has it too nt

[MoonRiver]

2. Dressed like a squeaky clean frat boy.

Defense up first, so it's pure fluff. "How old is your little puppy?"

[alsame]

3. He loves his

dog and his kids so he couldn't have shot anyone in cold blood in a racist rage

[MoonRiver]

4. Did you see him crying about his dog?

I thought maybe the dog had died, but I guess he just misses him. Wonder how much his victim's parents miss their son.

[alsame]

5. Those were my

thoughts exactly.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Live link:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02/live-coverage-loud-music-murder-trial-day-4/

[Incitatus]

17. That's better. HLN is playing commercials every few minutes. nt

[alsame]

7. CNN just bleeped out some

words, what he claims the kids in the car said to him. Anyone hear it uncensored?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. "I should kill that motherfucker."

That's what Dunn claims he heard the people in the car say after he told them to turn the music down.

[alsame]

11. Thanks. Not that I

believe it.

[otohara]

8. For A Guy With Ear Problems

How on earth did he hear everything those kids said on top of the Thumping Base that was vibrating his ears, car?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. Looking forward to the cross on this guy.

The fundamental importance of the fifth amendment aside, it's a shame we never got to see Zimmerman get crossed for some of his ludicrous statements he gave to police. I think the outcome of that trial would have been much different.

[MoonRiver]

13. Yes, apparently it was a miscalculation on the part of the state.

They played the police interrogation videos of Z, which included his statements about being threatened. So, the defense could use that to make their self-defense case, instead of having Z take the stand. State did not make that mistake this time.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. I don't think it was an error to play Zimmerman's taped statements, but....

....I think at times during the Zimmerman trial the state could have done better to highlight the inconsistencies and logical fallacies in Zimmerman's statements. Of which there were a boatload.

That being said, I'm not going to solely place the blame on the prosecutors' trial strategy for Zimmerman's acquittal. Two major factors in my mind were: 1) Juror B37 (I knew she could cause problems simply from her voir dire even before the trial began) and 2) the inability of the state to instruct the jury to consider whether Zimmerman acted as the initial aggressor. If those two things were different, there'd be a good chance George Zimmerman would be sitting in Raiford right now.

[Voice for Peace]

148. I remember you from the Zimmerman trial.. I just came looking for good old DU legalanalysises

and happy to find some familiar names in discussion.

They are on some sort of break at the moment,
the shooter has gone back to his seat.

I have tuned in late, astonished for some reason to
see Angela Corey and John Guy -- didn't realize
this was Florida.

Welcome any summation, analyses so far, or links.

thanks!
will he walk?
he seems remarkably sympathetic but I have missed
most of the trial.
what's to come?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

156. I've only seen today's testimony live.

I don't know if he'll walk. I don't think he will because his actions bely all reason. But after Zimmerman, who knows.

Here's my problem. He shoots a guy, claiming he saw a gun. No gun was ever found in that car. Still, he insists there was a gun. But instead of sticking around for police, he decides to go back to the hotel where he was staying, order a pizza, have a few drinks, watch a movie. And the next day he decides to go back home, several hours away. He claims he then decided to mention it to the local police department (not the Jacksonville sheriff's office where the shooting occurred.)

There's also been some forensic testimony that flat out contradicts Dunn's claim that Jordan Davis (the victim) was getting out of the car (supposedly threatening him), as the entry angle suggests Davis was sitting while he was shot.

Yes, Corey and Guy are involved in the prosecution. This is actually their home turf--they are based out of Jacksonville. (They were sent down by the governor to specially try the Zimmerman case). I like Guy and wished we would have seen more of him during the Zimmerman trial. Corey, not as much.

[Voice for Peace]

167. just saw a snippet of testimony from his wife(?)

or fiancé?

he didn't look pleased.. thanks for your info, I'll try and
keep up between the thread and the live link.

[MoonRiver]

12. My thoughts exactly.

Between the allegedly ear busting music, Dunn's hearing problems and the fact that there is NOBODY who corroborates his testimony, I call bullshit. Can't wait for the cross!

[lunasun]

45. Hallucinations come from inside the head but me thinks he is just a lying sack

[Blue_Tires]

72. Because his "problem" isn't with music; it's with black folk...

[tblue37]

119. And he claims the kids in the car could not have heard anything,

despite being right there, because the music was too loud.

[alsame]

14. "My attacker", "clear and

present danger", "fear for my life"... all the SYG greatest hits. What bullshit - why didn't he just move the damn car before all this started?

Looking forward to the cross.

[MoonRiver]

15. Wonder how much longer this sham defense testimony will go on.

Dunn will be shredded by the state.

[alsame]

16. I hope the state is better than it was

in the Zimmerman trial

[MoonRiver]

20. True, but I wonder how this case could possibly be lost,

unless that is part of a plan. I don't want to think that, but if they blow this one I will definitely don my

[alsame]

22. I hope the jury is better

than Zimmerman's. I hope there's no racist B37 types.

[MoonRiver]

23. That is the great unknown.

[otohara]

19. What A Pig

this is absolutely sickening -

[snooper2]

21. Oh BOO FUCKING HOO

This fucking loser--

[snooper2]

24. He killed him, went to the hotel, walked his fucking dog

ordered a pizza and made some drinks---


They were both SOOOO upset

[MoonRiver]

28. NO 911 CALL to help the victim!

They were much more worried about their dog than the kid he killed.

[Beearewhyain]

25. It's my understanding that a defendant should never take the stand

unless the defense is trying for a hail mary. If true, it would seem to indicate that they are not confident at all about his chances. Regardless, let's hope for a conviction this time.

Any legal eagles out there want to provide insight?

[Gothmog]

58. As a general rule, you do not want to let your client be subject to cross examination

I think that putting this idiot on the stand may be a mistake but it is also the only way to raise the self defense issue. It will be that the defense's hands were tied in that they could not use tapes and other materials in lieu of testimony.

[Beearewhyain]

64. Thanks! n/t

[alsame]

26. Jury composition, for what

it's worth

[IMG][/IMG]




http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/michael-dunn-trial/2014/02/05/jury-seated-michael-dunn-trial/5236223/

[MoonRiver]

31. A couple of those give me pause.

Specifically the retired military/ROTC teacher, and DOD employee. As defense attorneys say: "it only takes one juror."

[NCTraveler]

76. 11 Children. Am I reading that right? nt.

[Jackpine Radical]

87. I had the same thought.

[Hoyt]

27. If anyone wonders why we should be concerned about gun fanciers/toters, you need to watch this guy.

He's like many gun fanciers, one confrontation away from cutting loose.

[Blue_Tires]

34. +1

And since there were actual witnesses this time around, the gun crowd can't pump a half a million into this guy's defense fund...

Naturally the 'usual suspects' haven't been within a hundred miles of these Dunn trial threads....

[alsame]

57. Interesting, isn't it? Where are

all the self defense arguments now?

[JustAnotherGen]

70. I still don't have faith

That Jordan is going to get any justice. I'm listening to this fabricated phony baloney nerd act and it only takes one person on the jury to have sympathy for him and bam! Walks.


But yeah - where is GreenStormCloud, littleblue, etc. etc. Green was one of the convo 'controllers' during The Zimpig's trial. Surprised he isn't here to 'weigh in' as he was some kind of high level federal marshall or investigator or something.

[H2O Man]

29. Very disturbing.

Guilty as sin.

[get the red out]

30. What is wrong with people?????

I don't know how many times I've been driving past some young kids with loud music going and thought "Wow, they won't be able to hear in 10 years." or even "yuck, lousy music", but to think you need to shoot them???? This is a kind of insanity I do not get! This is depraved.

[Skidmore]

35. My husband made the same comment last night.

I keep thinking about him calling the music "thug music."

ANd this testimony really grated on my nerves when he referred to knowing that the situation was a "clear and present danger."

[get the red out]

37. Times sure have changed

We used to just see kids blasting loud music as a rite of passage, and joke about how young people and middle aged people didn't like each others music. Now it is used as an excuse to murder a young person an idiot is bigoted against.

[Skidmore]

38. He saw the kids as "gangsters" first.

He told her that he "wouldn't be in trouble with the cops but with gangsters maybe." I think this guy has watched too many movies and has lived some sheltered life.

[MoonRiver]

77. OMG, you are actually defending this guy!

[MoonRiver]

83. The murder of an unarmed teen for simply playing loud music is pretty straight forward.

Stupidity and paranoia are NOT defenses. But I'm getting the feeling that you really identify with Dunn.

[MoonRiver]

85. Oh, and for what it's worth, I'm against the death penalty.

However, Dunn needs to be locked away for the rest of his miserable life.

[MoonRiver]

98. It will keep a drunken, armed, sociopathic Dunn off the streets!

You're against the penal system? So you would be happy if the likes of Manson and Bundy were still loose?

[uppityperson]

100. uh. huh. No personal responsibility or penalties for anything. I prefered kale posts.

[LanternWaste]

103. It will however, prevent this particular gunman from over-reacting again...

"I mean, will it bring back Jordan? Will it stop the next drunk with a gun from overreacting..."

No. It will however, prevent this particular gunman from over-reacting again-- which is a wonderful example of both justice for him and compassion for his victim intersecting.

[MineralMan]

95. People like you? What does that mean, please?

You're providing a defense or excuse for someone who shot and killed an unarmed person for playing loud music.

[hrmjustin]

126. Library girl your getting nasty now.

[get the red out]

82. I disagree

I grew up in a 99% white area and I do not have this reaction to any kind of music, so no, I still cannot understand this man's point of view.

But I do understand that way too many people have been brainwashed by both RW radio and the NRA, and I believe that this plays a part in the tragedies we are seeing. It still takes a piece of work to go through with murder though.

[get the red out]

97. No, I am not making your point

A person has to seek out RW radio, they have to be incredibly paranoid and seeking someone to cosign thoughts and feelings they don't want to have to confront.

[uppityperson]

84. You could always go to the library, have it on good authority it is quiet there.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

32. Wait a minute here....

This guy shoots another person, and then proceeds to get back in his car and go to a hotel?

What the fuck?????????

[MoonRiver]

33. Not only that. He walks the dog, orders a pizza, checks out a movie,

and belts down a couple of rum and cokes. PRESUMPTION OF GUILT

[Tommy_Carcetti]

36. That's just insane.

Who does that, other than a psychopath?

I mean, even Zimmerman stuck around the scene after doing his deed.

[MoonRiver]

39. It's hard to imagine anybody making Zimmerman look half way decent, but Dunn has done it.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

51. Well let's not give Old Georgie too much credit.

I think he stuck around because in his racially profiling mind he honestly thought Trayvon was up to no good that night, and that the police would be grateful to him for killing him and wouldn't really bother him any further.

And sadly, that was more or less the initial reaction from the Sanford PD.

[MoonRiver]

53. Yeah, he thought his buddies would give him a pass,

which initially they did. Z would never have faced a jury if Trayvon's parents hadn't gone to the media.

[SummerSnow]

59. Zimmerman hung around so the cops could give him fist bumps-job well done.

[alsame]

48. He kept saying

he didn't do anything wrong - why call the police?

[MoonRiver]

65. That's cause, after all, the kid he murdered was just a thug!

[Cali_Democrat]

104. Who does that?

People who don't consider blacks to be human beings. Unfortunately, there are a lot of folks like Dunn.

[gvstn]

42. And his girlfriend/fiancee does the same thing.

Quite the pair!

[Gothmog]

60. Leaving the crime scene was a mistake

If you want to claim self defense you have to report the incident to the police and stay at the crime scene to give statements

[pintobean]

40. Guy on cross now

Should be good.

[Incitatus]

43. Prosecution sounds like he's not fucking around.

This should be good.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. Prosecutor doing the cross was one of the prosecutors in the Zimmerman case.

John Guy--he did the opening argument, has a voice that strongly resembles Kevin Costner.

He actually did an okay job for what he was given in the Zimmerman case. I think he was a little more aggressive than Bernie De La Ronda (the lead prosecutor) and I think he should have been the one to lead the case instead.

[MoonRiver]

44. As I recall he also did an awesome closing argument.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

47. I think he did the rebuttal closing argument.

De La Ronda did the first closing argument, and while it was okay, I think it could have been more detailed and pointed out some of Zimmerman's glaring inconsistencies.

[JustAnotherGen]

71. I thought so

I can't see him - but he was familiar.

[arely staircase]

46. so this guy says he shot someone in self defense

Then doesn't immediately call the police?

fucking bullshit

[Skidmore]

49. Isn't it though?

There is no excuse for any of his behavior.

[arely staircase]

52. oh the next day he decided to go home and talk to the sherrif in his home town

two hours from the jurisdiction in which it occurred. because you know, that is what you do when you are totally innocent.

[otohara]

50. Need A New Link to Live Coverage

CNN covering POTUS

Found one http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-02-10/story/after-calling-several-witnesses-monday-defense-expected-wrap-case

[otohara]

55. This Link Is Not Sensoring

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-02-10/story/after-calling-several-witnesses-monday-defense-expected-wrap-case

[Incitatus]

54. 4 rum and cokes but only 1 or 2 ounces of rum, SURE. nt

[Boom Sound 416]

56. I think mr. Guy would be more effective if he were less dramatic

[pintobean]

62. He comes across as a jerk.

He was the same way in the Zimmerman trial.

[MoonRiver]

67. Juan Martinez was as aggressive as it gets and he got Murder One for Arias.

Prosecutors need to be aggressive with these sociopaths. It's the only way to crack them.

[Boom Sound 416]

92. Crack them?

[MoonRiver]

106. Get them to stop lying and tell the truth.

It's very hard when dealing with psychopaths.

[Boom Sound 416]

111. I get the term

[Boom Sound 416]

68. He's backed off quite a bit

[Tommy_Carcetti]

66. Disagreed.

I wish Guy would have been the lead in the Zimmerman case. De La Ronda was a bit too passive at times.

[Boom Sound 416]

69. Fair enough

I liked de la Ronda. I thought guy fumbled the closing

[otohara]

61. I'm Going to Fucking Kill You

said the teenage with no weapon.

[MoonRiver]

63. He said - THEY said

Dunn has nobody to back up his statements. Matter of fact literally every witness contradicts him.

[arthritisR_US]

90. Did they have witnesses from the parking lot and

outside the store, aside from the boys in their vehicle?

[MoonRiver]

91. I don't know, but the gf has contradicted a lot of what he said.

Oh, and the ME said that Jordan was probably seated in the car when shot.

[arthritisR_US]

99. That's what I thought. I hope they have charged

him with 1st degree because this whole thing reeks of premeditation to me.

[MoonRiver]

109. They have charged him with 1st Degree Murder and 3 counts of Attempted 1st Degree Murder.

Even though the prosecution is not the best, I can't see how this guy walks.

[arthritisR_US]

114. Oh good, I thought the charges on Zimmerdick

had been lame.

[nadinbrzezinski]

171. Unfortunately after Zimmy

I can see how he walks. He is white, the victim is black. Look at the jury.

And that sickens me. But that is reality.

[madaboutharry]

74. Watching this now, WOW

What a pathetic paranoid man. He invented a whole lot of boogie men out to get him. How terribly sad.

[arthritisR_US]

75. The boys in the car who testified, didn't they

say no one got out of the car? Asswipe just testified that the boy got out of the car threatening him verbally and caring what he thought was a "gun" but wasn't Jordon found in the car slumped over dead? Wtf am I missing? My thick head is not processing something.

[alsame]

79. It doesn't make sense to you

because he's lying. And he's not even lying well.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. Jordan was in the car

M.E. testified yesterday he had to be sitting down to be wounded the way he was.

[arthritisR_US]

88. Ok, thanks mates cause I was really wondering

what I had missed or screwed up from the previous days reporting of this murder. I'm with you in that his lies are really pathetic and obvious, IMO.

[JustAnotherGen]

116. You didn't miss anything

It's just really hard to keep up with this guy's lies.

When he was interrogated - he was shocked to learn that the other car had NOT driven off. He even suggested that perhaps they threw the guy away when they were driving away. Very very shocked to learn they had not driven away as he had done.

[arthritisR_US]

123. I'm really getting disturbed by this cross because

he is allowing this creep to keep reiterating his BS self defense story. I just thinking he the examiner was firm and demanded yes or no answers it would be better. But, maybe he wants the creep to talk himself into a corner, lies ARE hard to keep track of and the tend to pile up like a pile of dung.

[sinkingfeeling]

161. "I was shooting to keep their heads down, not to kill," said Dunn.

Will someone explain to me how if one is firing to 'keep their heads down' all of the bullet holes are through the doors of the SUV? Why aren't the holes at the top of the vehicle?

[arthritisR_US]

166. Wow, what a good point! Where the f*ck is the

prosecutor on this?

[alsame]

78. Can't say why he didn't call cops but

thought the red SUV full of thugs was going to show up at his hotel. But he ordered pizza. Oooookay.

[arthritisR_US]

89. Hell of a lot of holes to his story aside from

the ones he shot into the vehicle.

[Boom Sound 416]

94. That's the anvil in the raft

Why didn't a law abiding self defender just call the cops

[arthritisR_US]

101. Because I thought that was what the SYG law

was for "call us when it's all over and the bodies are cold"

[Boom Sound 416]

102. Yeah it's pretty bad

I hope to god I never find myself on that situation, but I'm damn sure not leaving the scene and calling the cops.

Even if google maps is already open on my phone (that was a lame)

[arthritisR_US]

105. I missed the google maps part, what was that about? nt

[Boom Sound 416]

110. Yeah that was bad

Guy asked why he didn't call the police at the gas station. That was Dunn's response.

I think I have that right. I think it even through Guy off a little because all he said was. 'Well that's easy to take a way, right. It's pretty quick' or words to that effect.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

152. Sounds perfectly logical to me.

Just as perfectly logical as someone who claims he got out of his car only so he could tell police what street he was on (and not because he wanted to chase a black kid that he thought was "up to no good" because, well, hoodie and Skittles. Duh.)

Oh, and he had lived in this particular neighborhood for a few years now.

Oh, and he was also the neighborhood watchman for this particular neighborhood.

Oh, and this particular neighborhood had a grand total of three streets.

Or.......it sounds as perfectly logical as someone who claims his life was in danger because someone threw movie theater popcorn in his face.

What is it about these "self-defense" shooters that make their stories so adverse to logic and reason?

[Cali_Democrat]

96. Fuck Dunn!!

I hope he gets his ass kicked in prison.

[arthritisR_US]

107. This is the first day I'm watching this and that

is exactly the feeling that is permeating in me now.

[JRLeft]

108. I expect him to walk.

[MoonRiver]

112. Why?

[JRLeft]

113. I am black and live in America.

[arthritisR_US]

115. That is my fear because of the composition

of the jury and I'm white, female and very middle aged

[JRLeft]

120. I can tell you right now, there are a lot of people who believe Dunn was right because Davis was

black. And in this country it has been proven over and over again, that is enough to say you were in fear of your life. When your black you are born guilty. Now prove your innocence.

[arthritisR_US]

131. Unfortunately you have experience to validate

this and from the stats I've seen just around SYG I can't disagree with you.

I sure as hell hope this prick doesn't get off. He's a cold blooded child murderer!

[JRLeft]

133. Even without SYG, he probably walks seriously!

[arthritisR_US]

138. That is my fear but I hope we are proven wrong.

During the early 70's one of the young chaps that came to live with us (a conscientious objector) was African American from the deep south. Boy did he ever open our eyes up and I still remember his history and through these years I can't honestly say its really changed. It just seems to have been covered up better until the swearing in of your first black president and now the onions layers seem to be pealing off. Just a feeling I have.

[JRLeft]

146. Obama being elected has ripped off the bandaid. People who never thought they were racist were

exposed.

[arthritisR_US]

157. Well said, that's my take on things too. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

177. These are the idiots that are afraid that "Blacks are going to take over"

and come get revenge on them for slavery....

They think this....because THAT is exactly what THEY would do....they are projecting....and want to believe that Black people are JUST as racist and bigotted as they are. Which is ALWAYS their defense when you get past their protestations that they are NOT racist.....then when you prove they are...they will just pivot and explain "but Black people are racist too"

[arthritisR_US]

179. Great analysis, I think you are spot on! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

181. I do know Racist Baggers pretty well...

come from South Carolina and most of the people I know there....would fit that description....

(I know not every one in South Carolina is racist and bigotted...however MOST of the White people i know in the rural areas...DO think like that)

[arthritisR_US]

184. I have a good mate from Charlotte and ever so often it rears its nasty head. I am always

shocked by it and can't keep my big mouth shut so it has come between us from time to time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

186. It is so pervasive they say things outright when they are in the company of other Whites...

I have had it happen to me many times....most times I call them on it....but I have been in situations where my superiors at work talked like that in front of me because they always think "I am on board" because I am White too...

[arthritisR_US]

189. Happens here all the time with respect to any of the non-white races. They are so

small to think that just because we are white we are on board with the bigotry

[Blue_Tires]

173. +1

[MoonRiver]

117. Although I'm not black, I do understand.

I will be so frightened for this country if that scum walks, though. It is really a slam dunk case.

[arthritisR_US]

132. That's my feeling too! nt

[murielm99]

175. People like him walk all the time.

We have a long history of injustice for black people.

Don't be frightened. Be glad that this is getting attention. It may help bring about change.

[MoonRiver]

215. I really don't think he's going to walk though.

It's just so obvious he killed that kid in cold blood. Martin was a little bit more ambiguous. There was a physical fight and a witness who somewhat corroborated Z's statement. Nothing like that exists in this case. But I've been called Pollyanna before.

[Boom Sound 416]

118. How will you feel if he's convicted

Which he most assuredly will be

[JRLeft]

122. Oh I will be shocked and ecstatic, but I am glad you are so sure.

[MoonRiver]

129. I bet we get a verdict by Friday.

Here's to a shocked and ecstatic JRLeft!

[Boom Sound 416]

135. I don't think the SA would be in the courtroom

If she wasn't totally confident. That's my reasoning. That and his defense is weak.

[JRLeft]

137. The SA looked bad last time, she should have tried this case herself.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

154. She did do a lot of the trial herself.

I figured she got personally involved with this case because she figured they could get a conviction. It is a high profile case and she IS a politician.

I take her involvement as confidence in a conviction.

[Boom Sound 416]

160. She threw a bone to guy. He deserved it.

[libodem]

155. .

[uponit7771]

147. Statistics and he's white? tia

[reusrename]

124. I'm feeling the same way.

They will never any of these killers to answer the real question:

"Do you think it's right for cowards with guns to kill unarmed kids?"

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. Before Zimmy I thought we had moved beyond that

after zimmy, I agree with you. I fear he will walk and become a hero

[MoonRiver]

121. So Dunn was terrified that his gf would be shot by the invisible gunman,

but it never entered his mind to just move the car?

[JRLeft]

127. That's commomn sense, but in the SYG universe shooting first makes the most sense.

[alsame]

130. That is, to me, the

central flaw in his entire case. Drive to another spot or go into the store and call the cops.

[proudretiredvet]

128. I've read everything I can find on this case.

It is not like the GZ case or the old cop in the theater. There was no physical assault or interaction by anyone prior to this shooting. We can argue about many things but this is a very important part of this case and a very important point in most states laws. In this I am not saying that the GZ or the old cop case were justified, only that this case is different than them.
We are allowed to defend ourselves against what a reasonable person would believe, in that very instant in time, is a threat to life or great bodily harm. In some states we are allowed to initiate this defense without attempting to retreat. (SYG Laws)...
When you try and say that this is what you were doing when there was no physical altercation or weapon found you are reaching. In this case his claim of self defense will not work. There is no clear reason or event that he had a right to defend himself against. The shooter claims he saw a gun but then had to retreat to his car to recover his own firearm. When he got to his car he was no longer being threatened.
It just does not work that any reasonable person would think that the use of deadly force was needed per the events at that instant in time.

[Gothmog]

134. The reasonable person standard is the key to this case

BTW, welcome to DU

In this case, I do not see the jury finding that it was reasonable for the defendant to feel threatened or that the use of deadly force was justified. Again, this individual defendant may have personally felt justified for whatever reason but that is not the legal standard.

The key fact to me is the fact that he left the scene and never called the police.

[JRLeft]

139. I just get the feeling he will walk or the jury will be hung.

[alsame]

141. I understand why you feel

this way but I am hoping with all my heart that you are wrong.

[JRLeft]

142. This DA is awful!

[proudretiredvet]

200. I live with firearms

Because of the work I do I'm legally armed every day. Because of that I'm very aware of when you can and can't pull a trigger. More important than that is being aware of when you should and should not pull a trigger.
Unless they can come up with some demonstrated threat there is no way that I could vote anything but guilty.
It is because of people like this shooter that the rest of us who support the second amendment are ridiculed as some kind of crazy people. To put it bluntly, people like him piss me off, but no, I will not reach for a gun to display my anger.

[arthritisR_US]

144. Great synopsis! I wonder if the juror's in

Florida can be so logical?

[Captain Stern]

213. I agree.

I wasn't surprised when Zimmerman was found 'not guilty'. I would be shocked if this guy isn't convicted.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

136. Busted! He didn't call the cop, the cop called him and he didn't mention the incident

during that 8:30 phone call.

He just got tripped and his reactions betrays his guilt. He murdered that young man.

[MoonRiver]

140. Yep!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

143. He left the scene of the crime, peered out the window looking not for the kids in the

red vehicle but probably for the cops. He had walked the dogs, had drinks, ordered pizza, took a shower, received a call from his cop friend who asked about going out later that evening and to whom Dunn said nothing about the incident.

His actions were those of someone who just blew another person away and is fleeing the scene and then is checking his tracks and getting his story together with his witness girlfriend, who was obviously not with the program Dunn was laying out.

Guilty.

[MoonRiver]

145. Praying the jury sees it that way.

If they follow the law he will be convicted.

[uponit7771]

149. amen, statistically and because his skin is white he should walk

[proudretiredvet]

202. He did nothing right.

I really do not see that he did anything right at any step or any time in this. No matter what he claims now his actions all scream "guilty and hiding things." His actions also demonstrate that he had a callous disregard for the life he took.

[otohara]

150. Ashley Banfield - Dunn's Awesome Calm Demeanor

will change everyone's mind.

Click - back to the internet stream without the media spinners

[JRLeft]

153. I do not need the media spinners, I have history to help me craft my conclusion.

[giftedgirl77]

158. This asshole is a fucking stone cold killer, please

let this jury have some common sense.

[alsame]

159. +1 That's what it all comes down to. nt

[alsame]

162. Girlfriend back on the stand.

She claims he never mentioned to her that he saw a gun, stick, lead pipe or any type of weapon in the car.

Defense asks if it's true that she had a preexisting condition of anxiety and has been on prescription meds that could cloud her memory - she says yes.

[sinkingfeeling]

163. Did you all see the photos in evidence? Look what was in Dunn's backseat.

Now why would such a nice, law-abiding man need all these weapons?

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2014/02/07/michael-dunn-evidence-gallery-jordan-davis-shooting

[alsame]

165. Are those nunchuks? nt

[sinkingfeeling]

169. Looks like it to me. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

172. He is a martial arts artist on his way to class????

[1StrongBlackMan]

174. Is that the vehicle the victim was shot in? ...

where is the blood? Was the vehicle cleaned up prior to the photo?

[sinkingfeeling]

182. No, it's the shooter's car, the Volkswagen.

[1StrongBlackMan]

185. No ...

The sticks are in the red SUV.

I have a couple problems with the "scene" ... first, no blood; but more, the backseat is too neat with the sticks AND an umbrella both on the seat. Who seats on an umbrella when riding in a car?

[sinkingfeeling]

192. Not according to HNL where the picture came from.

[1StrongBlackMan]

197. My bad ...

you are correct.

[1StrongBlackMan]

164. The fiancee just sunk Dunn ...

with her testimony that Dunn did not raise tell her that he saw any weapon in the vehicle ... and she knows it ... and so does Dunn's Counsel ... that's why they asked her "Is it possible (because of your aggravated state) that you do not remember everything that (Dunn) said to you."

[MoonRiver]

168. Defense's problem is that she wouldn't want him convicted.

She's, fortunately, either too ethical or scared for her own skin, to lie. Lots of people have anxiety, especially after experiencing the kind of thing that went down that night. Doesn't mean they hallucinate conversations, or lack thereof.

[1StrongBlackMan]

170. I hate that I missed her ealier testimony ...

When and how did she become aware that dunn was involved in a shooting? Did he mention at that time that he thought the victim had a gun/weapon?

It really strains credulity that he would not mention the victim having a weapon on the trip home.

And why did dunn not mention that he was involved in a shoot (or at least some trouble) when his friend called him as they were on their way home? In fact, he lied (didn't tell the truth) when he told the friend that they were on their way back home because the fiancée wasn't feeling well.

[alsame]

176. Here it is

http://www.news4jax.com/uncut-testimony-rhonda-rouer/-/475982/24371162/-/cudtu4z/-/index.html

[1StrongBlackMan]

178. Thanks ...

listening to the dunn interview tape right now.

I hate cop interviews ... they think their the smartest folks in the room; when that often is far from the case.

[alsame]

180. Dunn saying how he practiced with the

gun, "I have friends who are military". He sounds like a wannabe soldier like Zimmerman was a wannabee cop

[1StrongBlackMan]

183. Yep ...

Who practices reaching into the glove box, unholstering their gun, and putting one in the chamber?

I guess they play all kind of fantasies out in their head.

[alsame]

194. Sickos like this practice

until they have an excuse to do it for real. They are just waiting for a situation to live out their fantasy.

[Boom Sound 416]

190. Ironically in this case, they might have been.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

187. This guy talks like Milton from Office Space. nt

[JI7]

188. this would be a simple case but because this is a white man who shot a black kid

it will depend on the makeup of the jury. certain people don't think certain types of people should be punished for killing certain types of people.

if this guy got lucky like zimmerman with having a racist jury he will be set free.

[snooper2]

193. They are playing the original police interview

the dude is going down...

he is toast

[uponit7771]

199. To some people blacks are scary so there might be sympathy there

[uponit7771]

196. Jury instructions in Z Case was SYG based I give them the benefit of the doubt in that context but..

...NOT in the context of having to believe everything Z said.

[1StrongBlackMan]

191. Listening to the interview ...

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the secondary interviewer is a Black man.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

195. He is. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

198. Thought so ...

good pairing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

201. Oops ...

The Detective's cross-examination has demonstrated that Dunn's attorney doesn't know police procedure.

[alsame]

203. The State rests. Done for the

day, back at 10 am tomorrow for closing arguments and jury instructions.

[dawnie51]

204. I am stunned by this.....

I didn't think anything would bother me worse than the Martin debacle, but this does. This guy is a stone cold killer, with no remorse, zero morality, and his girlfriend is either stupid or just as criminal as he is. He needs to get the death penalty. This is a travesty, and the feds need to do something about these laws.

[Shrike47]

209. 'The Feds' have no authority to do something about these laws.

State's rights and all that.

[arthritisR_US]

205. How many juror members deliberate for this trial? nt

[alsame]

206. There are 12 and 4 alternates. I posted the

jury composition list up thread.

ETA: My post #26

[arthritisR_US]

207. I saw that but because the GZ had only six I thought maybe they were just a pool to

be drawn randomly from. I'll have to go back and look at that list more carefully because I'm curious if all the African Americans are in the jury or are alternates or both. Thanks for the info mate!

ed; typo

[MoonRiver]

208. What I'm remembering, hopefully correctly, is that there are 12 jurors for 1st degree

and less for 2nd. Nobody knows yet if the AAs will be on the jury or alternates. I think the judge pulls names out of a hat, or something like that, right before deliberations.

[arthritisR_US]

210. Interesting, I didn't know that about 1st degree vs 2nd degree. I really hope that jurors with

boys and AA are picked because they will, I hope, identify with Jordan's parents pain and loss.

[MoonRiver]

211. Like I said that's what I'm remembering from the Martin case.

Also oping at least one AA is picked.

[arthritisR_US]

212. I hope at least one but hoping for more because I want them to be able to

impress upon the other members what it is to walk a mile in their shoes.

[MoonRiver]

214. Absolutely!

That's what the jury in this case and our entire country needs!