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Ashley Marie Prenovost, 24, was already intoxicated when her beau returned to the Glendale residence the couple shares with their four-month-old daughter. Prenovost, according to a court filing, wanted to have sex with him and got naked.
When her boyfriend declined to have sex, Prenovost became enraged, according to police. She allegedly punched two holes in a bedroom wall, and punched a picture hanging on the wall in the hallway, causing glass to break and causing injuries to both of suspects hands.
As Prenovost ran around inside the home, she bled all over the floor in the master bedroom, hallway, common area by the front door and kitchen. When cops arrived at the residence, a naked Prenovost attempted to flee through the garage.
Pictured in the above mug shot, Prenovost was arrested on a variety of charges, including assault, disorderly conduct, and criminal damage. She was also hit with several child abuse counts since, during her tirade, she raced around the home with her baby in her arms. At one point, the childs head struck a bedroom dresser.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/naked-mom-tirade-after-sex-denial-356712
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Statistics prove that hell hath no fury like a man scorned.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But, yeah, female-on-male, while certainly not unknown, isn't a public health problem like male-on-male and male-on-female is...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)opposite is far more true.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Whereas in my anecdotal experience a man acting like that is "the bar scene on a Saturday".
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)A woman does something like this and people, even in this thread, suggests she should be given mental help and not jail.
If a man did this, would we be getting responses that suggest the man should get mental help and not jail? No way in hell.
I think it's a very valid question.
And to suggest this is typical behavior for men on a Saturday...I find that perpetuating a gender stereotype and it's offensive. Not every man is a violent animal.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)of male aggression to forced sex. so, no reply cause it is really a
are you fuckin series11!!!!11!!!1!11!!!!!
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cinnabonbon
(860 posts)talk about personal attacks.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cinnabonbon
(860 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cinnabonbon
(860 posts)But I am trying to develop a thick skin... It just takes a while.
booley
(3,855 posts)There is no contest to see who abuses who more.
Women aren't' going to get some prize because statistically more women are reported as abused hen abusers.
That women can be victims of abuse doesn't' mean men can't' be as well.
I never understand this need to make things like this into a contest, as if somehow you are winning something.
cali
(114,904 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)The boyfriend is cheating on her.
1000words
(7,051 posts)to arrive at that conclusion?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I come home to a woman I am attracted to enough to be in a relationship with naked and asking for sex I don't hesitate to get busy. Now if I am sick of her then my reaction certainly changes. 18 years with my wife though and I have never gotten sick of her.
The rampage seems a little over the top for a no to sex. Maybe she is just nuts but I am guessing there is a lot more behind it.
Hey maybe I am wrong and she is just nucking futs.
Either way makes no difference to me. Curious that you seem so invested in it though.
El_Johns
(1,805 posts)more to the story. I think you're probably right.
Dorian Gray
(13,497 posts)she was intoxicated. There is nothing more unattractive than a sloppy drunk partner trying to have sex when you are sober. That doesn't mean he was cheating. That just means he didn't want to have sex with a drunk woman.
exboyfil
(17,864 posts)it is date rape to have sex with her? Here is guidance from a website http://teenadvice.about.com/od/daterape/a/daterapeguysfyi_2.htm
"Bottom line, if a girl is intoxicated she cannot consent to sex and you could be charged with rape. It does not matter whether you knew she was intoxicated, it doesnt matter if you were intoxicated too, all that matters is that she was not in a state of mind to consent and therefore it is rape."
I would not want to say an ongoing relationship implies consent. We all know a husband can rape his wife. Is it always rape when one partner says it is?
Dorian Gray
(13,497 posts)or anything in this case. What is interesting, though, is that he did make the responsible choice not to have sex with his intoxicated partner.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I mean after all the admonitions about taking responsibility, and stuff.
Iggo
(47,561 posts)Or something else.
There's not enough info in the story.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)A woman that lived with me for a couple of years would get "in the mood" and mean at the same time when she drank alcohol.
When the relationship was about finished I really didn't want to have sex with her anymore. Turned her down one night and she punched me right in the nose, was bleeding out of both nostrils.
I was out of town the weekend she moved out, she stole every light bulb out of my house and all the toilet paper, even the little spring loaded things that hold the roll as well.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)is a pretty shitty situation.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)If Mom isn't happy,.....well... you know.
Warpy
(111,292 posts)definitely needs looking into. Instead, they'll throw the book at her. This country is barbaric when it comes to mental health issues.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)It may be this is meth/drug addiction stuff.
Maybe not. But the age of that baby has my alarm bells ringing that this is a mental health issue.
Tumbulu
(6,291 posts)4 months old is pretty soon after the birth.
Warpy
(111,292 posts)I just hope the local DA sees it that way and gets her some help as part of a plea bargain.
She's still pretty, a sign that if she's into meth, she hasn't been for all that long.
This does look exactly what my wife and I went through. Her PPD was so dramatic that she started self medicating with Alcohol almost immediately. This then had a doubling effect of awaking a dormant Alcoholism that ran through her entire family. Trapping her in that spiraling disease that so all consuming. It has damaged our Marriage and entire life in every aspect. Treatment and help are woefully inadequate and many times punitive, contributing to the suffering of all. My wife has finally turned a significant corner 4 and a half years later. My Wife and Children have been so fundamentally changed by this, that it will effect them for all their lives.
I hope this young woman gets the help she needs and does not have to suffer a long road back.
I can also guess pretty accurately on why He said no, that this may not have been the first time she came home intoxicated and wanted sex. What was on his mind is something is not right, what is wrong with his girlfriend, we have a baby to take care of and he was afraid of the future.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)most of the time the most obvious answer is the correct one---
Silent3
(15,240 posts)...but I have to wonder, if it were a man who acted like this because a woman refused him sex, and a man had bashed a baby's head against a dresser, would you be so quick to express a desire to spare the man jail time?
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)When women do violent things, we want to give them mental health.
When men do violent things, we want to throw them in prison.
TheMathieu
(456 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)"You guys, I found an article that says some woman somewhere did something awful! Let's talk about how bitches are oppressing us!"
Silent3
(15,240 posts)...people.
Change the genders, and the story becomes a sign of what men, in general, think about women, in general, and a clear sign of "rape culture".
I say this without denying at all that there are really problems facing women that men don't generally experience, with no intention of trying to pretend it's all equal, that it all balances out.
This is merely a protest about how quickly people jump to conclusions, or cram news stories such as these into predetermined narratives.
Tumbulu
(6,291 posts)for going on rampages and beating up women and children.
Guess you live in a civilized part of the country. Lucky you.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)It comes on suddenly and often you don't even realize it's happening to you.
That said...I'm not sure this sounds like PPD...but I read the article and I failed to notice where she hurt the man? The title is misleading...the 'bloody' was her own blood from punching walls and pictures. The part about the baby sounds like an accident to me...as a mother of 4 I've accidentally whacked my babies' heads against something (usually the door frame) while carrying them. It always happens when you are in a hurry and the baby throws their head back while you aren't paying attention. It's something that happens to all mothers at least once, but no one really talks about it. I avoided it with my 4th baby because I was so paranoid and I got better at recognizing when a baby was ready to throw themselves backwards. I'm not sure hitting the baby's head against something once accidentally is child abuse... BUT!! It should go without saying though that she shouldn't be carrying her child around while drunk. She should've been charged with disorderly conduct and criminal damage but the other charges I'm not so sure about. Of course, it's a short, poorly written article so maybe I'm missing something.
Violet_Crumble
(35,970 posts)I share their suspicions seeing as how she's got a 4 month old baby.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Like I said in the other post...what if there was a gun in the house and she killed her boyfriend. Would the fact she has postpartum psychosis excuse that as well? Do women who have such condition able to freely go out and do whatever they please without penalty of law?
Many men who are in prison for doing violent things did so under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Many of them have mental illness. Many of them are victims of abuse themselves. No one wants to hear those excuses for why they committed their crimes. So why do we have to hear excuses for why women commit their own crimes and get lighter sentences for those excuses?
Violet_Crumble
(35,970 posts)And the fact is that there was no gun and she didn't kill anyone. You've already been told that men don't get post-natal depression, so I'm not sure why yr trying to twist this into a gender issue.
Unfortunately in the US, post-natal depression is ignored more often than not. I remember the case of a woman who drowned her kids. It was clear she had post-natal depression and needed help, but the post-natal depression wasn't taken into account in the trial or the sentencing. She needed help, which she should have got before things got to such a horrific stage, but she didn't get it after the US justice system was finished with her...
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)And post #14 makes the point that a man wouldnt be given such leniency for a mental health issue. I agreed and said that when men commit violent crime, they get thrown in prison but when women do it, we want to give them help. Yet then Im called the sexist.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Because the perp was female, suddenly she wasn't "innocent until proven guilty."
You obviously want to be upset about how oppressed men are and women have it so much better. You're a broken record.
If only you'd been born in Mexico, you'd be President now.
Warpy
(111,292 posts)Until then, it looks like the woman didn't damage anyone but herself. I see men are saying she "bashed" her baby into a dresser when the scenario says it's more likely she accidentally bumped it.
With an infant this young, a woman's out of control behavior has to be looked into in that context.
The bloody rampages men go on rarely end with hurting themselves, only.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)For all we know she's mentally stable and just had way too much to drink. Alcohol has a tendency to make some people violent and lash out. The article did say she was intoxicated and said nothing about her mental health. You are making an assumption and giving her an excuse to act violent.
Second, you are avoiding the question. If this was a man that acted this way, would you be suggesting mental health instead of jail? I doubt it. Would you be searching for a justification for the violence? Again, I doubt it.
And third, what difference does it make? If she had postpartum psychosis, does that justify her being violent? What if there was a gun in the house and she killed her boyfriend? Should that be excused as well?
Hekate
(90,737 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Drale
(7,932 posts)Cocaine is a hell of a drug
flvegan
(64,409 posts)I miss you, Yauch.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)That phrase usually describes a assault/murder spree where the perpetrator harms others, not a drunken tantrum where the person hurts only themself.
For example:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/07/local/la-me-ln-7-dead-in-rampage-on-streets-of-santa-monica-20130607
This headline, indeed this whole story, is only reported for it's salaciousness.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the person hurt two others, including an infant child. Also, rather salacious headline, even considering the infant being smashed into the furniture over an adult quarrel.....
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)a psycho?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)having kids. It couldn't possibly be more complex than that.
Welcome to CPAC.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and, man o man, she did some crazy things. Thank hank, that country wisdom of her women kinfolk saw what she was going through. And thank hank the family rallied around. Including my dad who was the primary victim of her "craziness".
I cannot assert that she was suffering postpartum... but the indications are there.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Like sometimes someone holding the door for you is just plain kindness.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)95% of the news articles posted on the internet is about men doing violent and evil things. Yet you post a story about a woman doing something violent and suddenly that makes you a misogynist. Give me a break!
I have asked for absolutely NOTHING ELSE but for men and women to be treated exactly the same. If a man bashes his baby's head on a dresser in a drunken rampage because his girlfriend refused sex. He needs to go to jail! If a woman does it...SHE NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL!
How the F*** do you view that as sexist?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Apparently you think it's supporting evidence for your misogynist thesis. And yeah, neither one of you are fooling anybody.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Just one post... Find one time I have ever made any post that is misogynistic.
Everything I have ever posted is about equality. I am an egalitarian. I believe every person should be treated the same regardless of age, gender, race, or sexual orientation. I understand that makes a certain group of feminists here very angry because they don't believe in that kind of equality. But I was raised to treat everyone the same and in no difference to how I would want to be treated. And I am not changing that philosophy for anybody.
I have posted lots of different stories on here. Many of them I post because they are strange, weird, or not the ordinary (like this one). Others it is about stories Im personally interested in for some reason or another. It's not like Im scouring the internet for some specific agenda here...other than trashing the rich. And I also trash the police and the NSA alot. I make no secret of that.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)If you are out of balance at all you are a 'hater'.
Just look at all the posts they have made, they sure have a healthy balance and no agenda
Hell, out of 45,000 posts I am sure some have a spreadsheet on me and update daily (because I am the center of their universe and now you are as well) to see which group they can accuse me of hating that day (am I an anti-semite today or woman hater? See which stories I posted and you decide!).
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And just as sickening.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)You have no need to worry - I don't hate women enough to open doors for them, help them out, get involved in keeping abortion legal (not up to me, I am a lowly man so I have to stay out of if it), call one pretty or even look at one with more than a glance.
I know how delicate some things can be and have learned that women need to be treated different and that every action any human makes must have some deep motivation based on hate of women. Hell, even posting a news story = hatred of women.
I am sure that play wells in certain little groups like blaming the devil for everything does in church.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Your act is stale as hell.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)is the finding of misogyny under every rock.
Posting a story about a criminal is just that. I don't like people who do bad things and if you look over my history of over 45,000 posts you will see I have long covered the 'crime beat' and never cared about the gender of the person.
But look under the rock and some people only see one thing - misogyny.
THAT act is stale as hell.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)On average, three women are murdered per day in this country alone, you know. Often the abusive man, sometimes he has a history of domestic violence, will also murder his own children, or her children, or her mother, sister, friend, new partner, etc.
I guess you don't consider those people's stories as newsworthy as others.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I look at crime stories as just that, crime.
When I do post them do folks swoop in to discuss the gender of the person or the crime?
There are over 45 million gun owners in the US who don't do anything wrong with them daily, but ya know what - the news only talks about the ones that do. It is 'news' because it is not what people do on a regular basis.
And since women, as you noted, are not the ones who most often commit crimes the same idea applies - we don't expect it therefore it is news.
How many times have I said on here about gun threads we should not judge all by the few?
Many times.
I feel the same with crime stories: White, black, male, female, muslim, chrisitian, etc - judge the story and the person on their action not on their gender.
Some here apparently think that progressives WILL judge based on gender and don't want stories of women doing bad things posted.
Maybe because that is how they themselves judge things.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Women just don't take no for an answer anymore.
Or she was drunk and out of control. Post partum depression is a mutha.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I thought men were hard wired to think about sex constantly and never not want it?
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,497 posts)and that poor child.
Hopefully she will get her act together, stop drinking, and be a good mom to that 4 month old.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)So it could have been worse.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)It must have been very scary for her boyfriend when the "naked mom" injured herself, huh?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)it stands at "angry drunk."