Growth chart of right to carry

[hack89]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Purveyor (a host of the General Discussion forum).

As of 1986, slightly less than 10% of the U.S. population lived in states where there were objective and fair procedures for the issuance of concealed handgun carry permits. About a third of the population lived in states where there was not even a process to apply for a permit. The majority of the population lived in states where issuance in permits was highly discretionary, and many issuing authorities refused to issue to ordinary law-abiding citizens.

By 2014, the percentage of people living in the Red states, with no possibility of even applying for a permit, has declined to zero. Illinois’ 2013 reforms ended the problem of states not even having an process theoretically available. (The problem persists in DC, but this chart is only for states.)

As of January 2014, about 2/3 of the population lived in a Green state, with a Shall Issue licensing statute. The Yellow states (arbitrary permitting) were the national norm in 1986, but they are now outliers. Unless the 9th Circuits’ decision in Peruta is overturned, California and Hawaii will have to become Shall Issue states.

The six hold-out states are increasingly isolated. Not counting tiny Rhode Island and Delaware, the four larger hold-out states each are all bordered mainly by Green states. (Mass. by upper New England and Connecticut; NY by Penn., Vt., and Conn.; NJ by Penn.; Maryland by Penn., Vir., and WV). It should also be noted that in two of Delaware’s three counties, permit issuance is often approximately what a Green state would do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/17/growth-chart-of-right-to-carry/

Good background on how concealed carry has grown over the past 30 years.

[badtoworse]

1. Kicking. I'm surprised the 9th Circuit ruled this way, but the ruling is certainly welcome.

It will be interesting to see how the 2nd and 3rd Circuits might rule on this. I expect we will now see challenges to the ridiculous laws in NJ, NY and the other holdout states. I expect this will ultimately be decided by the SCOTUS

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. Shall issue?

Sure thing.....

[badtoworse]

4. Abuse of civil rights by a very few, does not and should not negate the rights of the many.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Do you think that either Zimmerman or Dunn should have been carte blanche?

Or that maybe, just maybe, a little more scrutiny was warranted.

[badtoworse]

8. I'm not familiar with the permitting process in Florida.

"Shall issue" doesn't mean you automatically get your permit. It means the onus is on the state to demonstrate why you should be denied one. As I said, I don't know Florida's process and I don't know Z's or Dunn's background, so I don't have an informed opinion.

You tell me, was there a known basis for denying them a permit at the time of the application?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. I know with Zimmerman, there was his prior arrest for battery on a LEO

As well as a restraining order entered against him by a former girlfriend.

I think the greater point, however, is that there needs to be better scrutiny for those applying for CCW. Clearly, neither Dunn nor Zimmerman are persons who demonstrated responsibility while carrying guns.

[badtoworse]

13. I can't disagree with you about the need for scrutiny or Z's and Dunn's responsibility.

The bottom line question is "Shall Issue" vs. "May Issue". There most certainly are people who should not be issued a CCW permit, but the onus needs to be on the state to show why a person should be denied. You don't have to demonstrate a need to exercise any of your other rights, so why should 2nd Amendment rights be an exception?

[otohara]

3. When I Start to Gather Signatures To Repeal

guns on campus - my husband is afraid someone will shoot me.

Guns, making many of us terrified to go anywhere.

[hack89]

5. Yet the bigger danger is the drive to the campus

there are many things that can kill you. A guy with a legal CCW is low on the list. If you are that scared, you have bigger issues to deal with.

[otohara]

7. Do Tell

what are my bigger issues?

Go ahead with your insults - at least you got the "guy" thing right - men with guns are dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.
That's what I tell my son's girl friends - stay away from them, don't date one, don't marry one, don't fuck one.

[hack89]

9. Irrational fear of the extremely rare

while blithely accepting the real and more likely dangers around you.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. Not really an expert on the subject Risk Management, are we?

It's a combination of the likelihood of an event occurring, and the consequences of an event occurring. While it's far more likely that I'll experience a fender-bender driving to work, the consequences of being shot in the head are far more serious. Both are taken into consideration when you evaluate what is an acceptable risk.

What's more, driving in a motor vehicle is (or is likely) a requirement of my being able to have a job. But except in isolated cases, such as working in law enforcement, possessing a firearm at the workplace is not a requirement of my being able to have a job. So I'm being asked to evaluate the risks of having firearms in my workplace in the context of their being no actual benefit to me.

And before you remind me that people die in auto accidents (from the "Department of No Shit Sherlock&quot , FAR MORE people drive in vehicles every day than possess a firearm. And while the number of vehicular deaths has plunged in the past decade, the number of firearm deaths has shown an increase.

[hack89]

12. Talking about getting killed in a car wreck vice being shot by a legal CCW holder.

That is the topic of the OP - CCW.

On edit: You are wrong about gun deaths going up. They have been steadily falling for 20 years. We have cut our murder rate in half since 1992.

[Purveyor]

14. Locking.

Gun discussions are not usually allowed in the GD forum with the exception of 'big news'.

Please repost this interesting article in the Gun forum.

Thanks and sorry...