What country do you believe is the most dangerous in the world?

[L0oniX]

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	North Korea
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	Iran
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	Somalia
	1 (4%)
	Freedonia
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	Sylvania
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	Iceland
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	Russia
	2 (9%)
	Syria
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	Israel
	1 (4%)
	USA
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[hughee99]

1. Most dangerous?

Most dangerous to live in? Most dangerous to other countries?

[L0oniX]

2. Take your choise. To banksters Iceland is the most dangerous IMO.

[hughee99]

4. My answers are different for the two questions.

Certainly the most dangerous to other countries, not the most dangerous to live in.

[Adrahil]

7. Disagree...

But my choice isn't up there. IMO, the dangers presented by China's environmental policies are the most dangerous by far.

[L0oniX]

12. Well considering the gun deaths here you could say USA for both.

[hughee99]

16. Really, is the US the country with the MOST per capita gun deaths?

We're not even in the top ten. I'm not saying it's good, but we're not the worst.

[L0oniX]

18. You wouldn't think that by all the gun death news posted on DU IMO.

You could also add incarceration stats.

[proudretiredvet]

30. The incarceration rate percentage is not about guns.

It is about ignorant drug laws and mandatory minimum sentencing.

We are not near the top for gun violence or homicides by percentage of population. Those are just the manipulated/constructed data fantasies of the anti gun zealots.

[L0oniX]

35. Just one of many stats.

Most bombs, most incarcerated, most military bases, most gun deaths, most traffic fatalities, most deaths of the innocent via drones, most deaths because of lies about wmd's, most homes lost, most sociopths, most cancer, ect.

[proudretiredvet]

42. Most gun deaths??

Nope not even close.

Please show us your statistics and the links?

Here are a couple. Look at gun deaths by % of population.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+deaths+by+nation&rlz=1C1SKPL_enUS404&oq=gun+deaths+by+nation&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4j69i64.4873j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Or this one and compare the Maps

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/schoo-shooting-how-do-u-s-gun-homicides-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/

[L0oniX]

43. Those supposed stats are just suggestions as to what perspective the danger may be coming from.

Some how I get the feeling you want to quable ...if that is so then I'm not playing along with that.

[proudretiredvet]

51. Not at all I do like honest and ethical discussion.

But I insist on real, true, provable, un manipulated, and un constructed statistics. We are all entitled to our own opinion but we are not entitled to our own facts.

[L0oniX]

55. There are applicable facts for a location that are not facts for other locations.

So I disagree. No actual facts are provided because it is subjective. It also may be unprovable how true facts may be due to revised history or history from the victors POV. Also what is published as fact can and many times is proven to be lies as many learned (WMD's, Jessica Lynch, etc).

I was not trying to bring out any facts nor did I post my own facts ...I only suggested categories that may have some facts about them ...but I think you know that.

Most bombs, most incarcerated, most military bases, most gun deaths, most traffic fatalities, most deaths of the innocent via drones, most deaths because of lies about wmd's, most homes lost, most sociopths, most cancer, ect.

[proudretiredvet]

82. Got it.

When the facts do not support what you want to present as truth you just use lots of other words to get around the real provable factual truth.
Great way to support a point.
No, the truth is the truth. Sometimes we like it and sometimes we don't.

[L0oniX]

88. Obviously you are not worth responding too ...welcome to my ignore list.

Some people have nothing better to do than to try to piss off others ...have a nice day.

[RC]

3. How can there be any doubt?

Except from the RAH!...RAH!...RAH!, USA, USA, USA!!!!1!1 crowd.

Why are we all over the world when no other country is? Why does our so-called defense budget, as large as, or even bigger, when counted properly, than any other nation on this planet? Something is wrong here. Very wrong.

[L0oniX]

8. Weren't we told once upon a time that Marksists (from Freedonia) were the worst?

[RC]

14. A proud member of the worst.

How dare I think for myself. A prime candidate for the reprogramming chambers, under the Rotunda.

[Adrahil]

5. No China option?

In my opinion, their complete disregard for the environment is EXTREMELY dangerous.

[L0oniX]

10. Subjective. Those living near a fracking site may have other opinions.

You could say that Wal-mart is at fault for some of China's pollution.

[Adrahil]

13. So Wal-mart dictates Chinese environmental law?

That would still lay at the feet of the Chinese government, no?

[L0oniX]

17. Consumers dictate IMO.

[Adrahil]

21. That's why regulations exist!

To counteract the wants of the market when it conflicts with a greater good. That's the duty of the Chinese government, even if it's not democratically elected.

[Auggie]

27. That's my choice

[hfojvt]

57. or what about India?

Not even trying to control its population, soon will have more people than China.

[MADem]

6. Wow, what obvious flame bait....and you didn't even include China?

They've got forty million more men than women as a result of their one-child policy.

Imagine an army of forty million angry young men, all knowing one certain thing--they're more likely to get hit by lightning than find a bride in their homeland.



I'm outta here....!

[Gman]

9. Sylvania is a horrible country

the human rights abuses are horrendous and the press will never report on it. Ever. Precious little is written about those poor suffering people.

[L0oniX]

15. They are forced to work 18 hours a day 8 days a week making light bulbs!

[Gman]

31. Yes. That's their main export

children as old as 6 months work in the factories for long hard, terrible hours. there are death squads with children as old as 2 years with American made AK-47's.

[Iggo]

11. Which one has the most Explodios?

[cpwm17]

19. It could be asked differently

-the most dangerous to the world at this moment and through the last several decades?

-the most dangerous to its own citizens at this moment and through the last several decades?

-pound for pound, the most dangerous to the world at this moment and through the last several decades?

There could be up to six if you can come up with one for each question.

[L0oniX]

23. When DU finally gets its shit together and make polls that can have 100's of entrees...

I will repost then with your suggestions.

[hfojvt]

66. there might also be another aspect to danger

Suppose I am a teacher in a room full of kindergartners. Now add a 2nd grade thug with a knife.

Clearly, I am still the most dangerous person in the room, technically.

But in a practical sense, I am less dangerous to the little kids than the bigger thug with the knife is.

Power isn't the only factor. It's how power is used as well.

[Rex]

20. Just accidentally forget China?

EDIT - I would say Ukraine is the most dangerous country ATM.

[seattledo]

67. Why? The protests are very limited

It's not like in this country where the guns flooding the streets make every city dangerous.

[Rex]

68. Yes but their entire government is up for grabs.

And they have thousands of nuclear weapons. Bad combo imo.

[truebluegreen]

75. You're wrong there...

Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in the 90s and signed on to non-proliferation. They "lost" their nuclear status in 1996.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2011/05/31-nuclear-ukraine-pifer

[Rex]

80. Wow, I did not know that and feel better now.

Had me really worried that one of their nukes would fall into the wrong hands! Thanks for the information.

[truebluegreen]

84. My pleasure. nt

[seattledo]

81. The weapons they don't have?

Was Clinton wrong when he praised them in 1996 for giving-up all of their weapons? Are you calling him a liar?

[uppityperson]

22. Unable to answer as the question is too vague. Define "dangerous" first as there are too many

things it could mean.

[L0oniX]

24. DU polls are limited. The DU complaint dept is on the 13th floor.

It would be nice if we could have 100's of entrees so all subjective opinions could be registered.

[uppityperson]

25. But there is lots of room in the message text area of a Poll's OP to define the terms.

[MADem]

60. But if all one wants to do is give the old wooden spoon a workout, who needs defined terms?

[Nye Bevan]

26. OBVIOUSLY a country run by Western-infidel-hating batshit crazy Ayatollahs,

who deny the Holocaust and are just itching to nuke Israel is MUCH less dangerous than a country headed up by Barack Obama and Joe Biden, with John Kerry as Secretary of State. Who knows what evil designs this despicable triumverate have on the rest of the world?

[L0oniX]

32. A country or blog full of Obama haters!

Here? ...or over there? ...or on DU?

[NuclearDem]

37. I doubt that's why some of us picked the US.

Quite a few "trouble spots" in the world are in such a state due in no small part to US actions. I doubt the Ayatollah would have risen to power the way he did were it not for Operation Ajax.

[Arugula Latte]

50. I'm sure the tens of thousands of slaughtered Iraqi innocents would appreciate your snark.

Last edited Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

On edit, see bvar's post #54. That says it all.

[L0oniX]

62. Perhaps 100's of thousands of Iraqis.

[Arugula Latte]

64. Yeah, I thought I'd err on the conservative side.

[Nye Bevan]

69. The question was "*is* the most dangerous", not "*was* the most dangerous".

Last time I checked Bush and Cheney were not running things anymore.

[L0oniX]

72. A track record does have implications for today.

[Arugula Latte]

73. We have been voted "Country Most Likely To Invade and Massacre Untold Scores"

by our classmates for the last several decades. I don't feel like all of a sudden we're a mellow, non-aggressive country. Our corporate interests want perpetual war, and they are the ones pulling the strings of power in this nation.

[FarCenter]

28. Democratic Republic of Congo - 45,000 dead / month

[proudretiredvet]

36. I will go with that one.

I have extended family who have been serving on missions in the Congo off and on for many years. What they tell me makes this old hardened combat vet shudder.
The big thing for me in their conflict is the absolute lack of value on human life. There is none. As always in this situation the smallest and weakest, the children are used, and abused in every imaginable way.

[hlthe2b]

29. Several glaring omissions: Pakistan, Sudan, Georgia, Lebanon, Syria (!) Yemen, Uzbekistan, Algeria,

Afghanistan (!), Zimbabwe, Burma, Iraq (!) and undoubtedly others.

Does anyone REALLY believe US is among these MOST dangerous? Really?

[Rstrstx]

56. No, the dummies think they're just being clever, the US isn't even the worst country in N America

There's a country just to our south that was on the verge of collapse a couple of years ago and is still violent in many areas. When's the last time you've seen a decapitated head in your town square or bodies hanging from a highway bridge? People here are effing oblivious to the REAL world, they take one vacation to France and think they're authorities on international matters.

[L0oniX]

65. Oh yeah go ahead and play favorites with Cananda!

Seriously though ...that is the point of the poll ...it is subjective to location ...and I totally agree with you.

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. Dangerous in what way?

The obvious answers are the USA and China, and perhaps now China more than the US (but still very close), based on one thing and one thing only: the fact that the greatest real threat comes not from war but climate change--and who's responsible for most of the carbon emissions? That'd be China and the US.

[L0oniX]

39. It would take dozens of polls for all the subjective dangers.

If your son was just killed by a retired cop in a movie theatre then it's the USA. If your son was just killed in Afghanistan by a sniper then its Afghanistan. If your mom was just killed by texting asshole then it's ...well you get the idea. The poll is to reflect what the individual thinks is the most dangerous to them personally or nationally ...seriously or not.

[Deep13]

34. toss up between USA and China...

...and the corporate interests that control them.

[L0oniX]

40. So if corporations had their own country then that country would be the most dangerous.

I would agree with that for sure because it covers almost everything.

[Deep13]

74. They do have their own countries--all of them.

Granted, companies have regional interests the way nation-states do, so the interests of American companies is sometimes at odds with say Russian companies, and companies can be at odds within a nation-state too. Nevertheless, corporations and other power structures are not restricted by national boundaries. The CEOs here, in China, and the princes of Arabia have far more in common with each other than they ever will with any of us.

[yourout]

38. Have to go with Russia as they still have 1000s of nukes and ....

I could see some of them ending up in terrorist hands.

And religious fanatics have no problem incinerating millions in the name of "God".

[hrmjustin]

41. Not sure. So many dangerous spots in the world.

[ladjf]

44. The policy makers in the U.S. are rich, dumb and arrogant, a lethal combination. nt

[gulliver]

45. Pass. Unpatriotic and twisted. nt

[L0oniX]

47. Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel - Samuel Johnson

- from those wiser than I (and my list is much longer than posted here)

Never was a patriot yet, but was a fool. John Dryden

A patriot is a fool in every age. Alexander Pope.

In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary, patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first. Ambrose Bierce

Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen. Ambrose Bierce

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” James Russell Lowell

My country right or wrong is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, My mother drunk or sober. G. K. Chesterton My favorite

Patriotism which has the quality of intoxication is a danger not only to its native land but to the world, and My country never wrong is an even more dangerous maxim than My country, right or wrong. Bertrand Russell

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. George Bernard Shaw

You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy. George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is an ephemeral motive that scarcely ever outlasts the particular threat to society that aroused it. Denis Diderot

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. George Santayana

The Athenian democracy suffered much from that narrowness of patriotism which is the ruin of all nations. H.G. Wells

[gulliver]

48. Anti-patriotism is another.

Samuel Johnson a hero of yours?

Scoundrels ruin everything.

[truebluegreen]

76. I'm going with Ambrose Bierce...

[NuclearDem]

52. Nationalism and patriotism aren't the same thing.

[gulliver]

53. That's right.

Jingoism is in there somewhere.

And Johnson was referring to false patriotism. I'm referring to real.

[LuvNewcastle]

46. It really depends on how you look at it.

I'd say that the US is the most dangerous as far as attacking other countries, but as far as living in the country, it's pretty good. I'm gay, so I consider a lot of African countries to be the most dangerous for me. I really don't think there's anywhere on the whole continent of Africa or much of Asia where I would feel safe. The US has gotten a hell of a lot better for gay people in my lifetime. It took a lot of struggle, but we've achieved a lot, and I'm pretty proud of it.

[JoePhilly]

49. Clearly the USA ...

... The folks sitting around me in this sandwhich shop, using the free wi-fi, look terrified.

[hlthe2b]

63. re:

[bvar22]

54. I auto-assumed you meant Dangerous to the rest of the World,

....and that would be the USA based solely on our massive Arsenal,
and our willingness (eagerness?) to use these weapons at the least provocation,
....or without provocation.
(SEE: Iraq)

No other nation in the World has our embarrassing track record for killing innocent civilians in countries we are not At WAR with over the last 60 years.
Nobody even comes in a close 2nd.

Your post did catalyze and interesting thread.

[L0oniX]

59. +1

[woo me with science]

89. +1000000

Not just killing through war and bombing, but also through other foreign policy: economic predation that causes mass suffering/poverty/starvation, disaster capitalism, and the propping up of vicious dictatorial regimes.

[jberryhill]

58. Belgium, if cornered

Those little ones can get vicious when they feel threatened.

Be careful with Belgium.

Lichtenstein too.

[L0oniX]

61. Lichtenstein could hold the world hostage to beer!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

71. lol

[Pretzel_Warrior]

70. the crazy is strong with DU. USA most dangerous. idiotic.

[Arugula Latte]

83. Not so crazy if you ask yourself which country has needlessly mass murdered the most people

in the past several decades.

[Niceguy1]

85. congo, north Korea

Are on the top of needless slaughter. ..

[Arugula Latte]

90. I guess the difference is ...

we invade other countries (about 70 since the inception of the US) and the invasions often involve mass murder (Iraq (twice), Vietnam, Afghanistan, Panama, Guatemala, Cambodia, etc.) and the two countries you mentioned murder their own people. I took "dangerous" to mean "dangerous to other countries that weren't that country" but yes Congo and North Korea are certainly dangerous to inhabitants of those nations.

[LeftishBrit]

77. I think that the idea that a single country or even 'axis of evil' is the most dangerous

in itself very dangerous.

We should not be in the business of creating 'bogeynations'.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. North Korea is a totalitarian shithole

and what they lack in size or ability to mess with the rest of the planet, they make up for many times over with absolutely abhorrent treatment of their own people.

[Deep13]

79. Wait, do you mean to visit, or the most dangous to the rest of the world? nt

[KentuckyWoman]

86. China.

You think the US is a problem? Wait till a billion people start getting more a share of the wealth and flexing it to keep more resources flowing in.

[Blue_In_AK]

87. For us living here,

the USA is not the most dangerous, but we sure cause a lot of havoc around the world. Maybe instead of most dangerous IN the world, it should be most dangerous TO the world.