I didn't have a chance to objectify my wife this evening....

[brooklynite]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by rrneck (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I was hoping to after Thursday's discussion with a friend about geopolitics in the Middle East and Friday's discussion about her thoughts about a career change; unfortunately we were both tired. Maybe tomorrow.

[quinnox]

1. lol

[Gormy Cuss]

2. Trivializing becomes you.

[sibelian]

13. Eventually it becomes everybody.

Including "feminists" constructing useless, petulant, fatuous, hypocritical, arrogant, self-absorbed, nonsensical, trivially demystifiable and perfectly ludicrous assumptions about the way men think about women.

[boston bean]

15. I know huh..

the reality of our lives are just so damned trivial. We really shouldn't even be mentioning it.

so sorry, sir.

[Gormy Cuss]

23. Oh, quotes around feminists... because trivializing their self-definition

is a good way to make my point. Thank you.

[geomon666]

3. I did.

She looked at me in a certain way and I had an impure thought. I immediately apologized and assumed the prerequisite position conducive to discipline. It was well deserved.

[Gravitycollapse]

4. Maybe your wife just feels like you're not particularly good at it.

[brooklynite]

6. No, I'm a lot more GGG than she is...we just respect each other's feelings....

[Lex]

5. Not particularly clever flamebait.

[Control-Z]

7. Ain't that the truth?

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. I know right? Anything to try and prove objectification is the same as sexuality

[Katashi_itto]

8. K&R

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. Perhaps therein lies your problem...

In social philosophy, objectification means treating a person as a thing, without regard to their dignity.

According to the philosopher Martha Nussbaum, a person is objectified if they are treated:[1]

as a tool for another's purposes (instrumentality);
as if lacking in agency or self-determination (denial of autonomy, inertness);
as if owned by another (ownership);
as if interchangeable (fungibility);
as if permissible to damage or destroy (violability);
as if there is no need for concern for their feelings and experiences (denial of subjectivity).


Maybe if sex with you didn't equal ^^^^^ that as you are suggesting here....she might be more attracted to you...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. According to the definition you provided the SI cover would not constitute objectification

assuming ALL the criteria had to be met. Anyone who could meet all those criteria simultaneously would be better known as a rapist. However, I do believe objectification can occur before it progresses to such a horrific level.

The SI cover could lend itself -- only lend -- to instrumentality and fungibility but it's a far cry from a viewer thinking they had the ability to own or damage the models. A more likely scenario would be a cretin meeting up with the models and saying, "Hey cupcake, wanna hook-up?" but that assumes the autonomy and subjectivity of the model to say, "Go pound sand, jackass."

If instrumentality and fungibility are sufficient to qualify as objectification then anyone engaging in a one-night hook-up is engaging in objectification, in which case spring break is a big no-no.

Of course, the SI controversy assumes all men at all times observing the swimsuit issue are stricken by sexual yearnings to the extent that they become blinded to the humanity of the models and the women around them. That would be such a gross over-simplification as to become itself a statement that denies the autonomy and subjectivity of the group (all men) it accuses.

If, however, we say some men will objectify women but other men will not than the issue isn't the SI cover; it's some men who objectify. It would seem more fitting to confront those persons as each case arises rather than making broad-brush indictments that bring more division and resentment than actual social progress.

[laundry_queen]

11. If you are having a discussion with her about her thoughts on a career change,

by definition you aren't able to objectify her because you view her in a subjective manner.

But lame try Better luck next time!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. Exactly. That he wants to share the ennui that is

His life is so Facebook-y of him. Where am I again?

[Democracyinkind]

12. Another lame goading thread.

It used to be that such lame shit as this was only fit for the lounge.

[theHandpuppet]

16. Yep. In most of the animal world...

... even the most meek of creatures knows better than to foul its own nest. Not here, apparently.

[Sheldon Cooper]

17. I'm happy for her.

The less she has to deal with you the better.

[myrna minx]

18. "Klassy". At least we know mocking women and women's issues isn't

exclusive to Republicans anymore.

[AAO]

21. [phone]

[bettyellen]

19. FLAMEBAIT

[PasadenaTrudy]

20. Stupid...

Trashing! kbai

[zappaman]

22. In before the lock

and so I don't get called to jury once again for flamebait crap like this.

[msanthrope]

28. Me too. nt

[DontTreadOnMe]

26. Like moths to a "flame"

they just can NOT resist replying...

[Tien1985]

27. Alerted on this

Because it's off topic, flame bait.

Everyone claims to be sick of the "gender wars" but unless we start alerting and hiding this isn't going away.

[rrneck]

29. Locking.

Not quite within GDSOP. Sorry.