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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFormer Tacoma teacher sentenced to sex-offender treatment, home detention.
The former Gray Middle School teacher was charged in 2012 with five counts of rape of a child in the second degree. She pleaded guilty to two of the charges in October and has been in the Pierce County Jail since then.
Pierce County Superior Court Judge John McCarthy ordered Shaw to complete two more months in home detention with an electronic monitoring device and to begin sex-offender treatment.
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/02/25/3066570/former-tacoma-teacher-sentenced.html?storylink=fb#storylink=cpy
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Talk about fucking double standards.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Stacey Rambold left prison after serving the sentence imposed last month for the rape of student Cherice Moralez six years ago, said Judy Beck, a spokeswoman for the Montana Department of Corrections. The 14-year-old Moralez committed suicide in 2010, and her mother Auliea Hanlon has said that she believes the rape was a contributing factor.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/12/alabama-man-convicted-raping-teenager-still-avoids-prison-time
In September, a jury in Limestone County, Alabama found 25-year-old Austin Smith Clem guilty of raping his teenaged neighbor, Courtney Andrews, three timestwice when she was 14, and once when was she was 18. County Judge James Woodroof theoretically sentenced Clem to 40 years in prison. But Woodroof structured the sentence so that Clem would only serve three years probation, plus two years in the Limestone County corrections program for nonviolent criminals, which would allow Clem to work and live in the community. Only if Clem violated his probation would he be required to serve the prison time.
Notice that she did 2 years in jail. These two men combined did 30 days.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)carry on.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)*Order of the Perpetually Offended
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=759
(linking to MRA woman-hating site)
Men who believe that domestic violence is usually the woman's fault are not on the side of justice.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Jesus, you're nothing if not predictable.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1) "we are NOT MRAs" or
2) "there's nothing wrong with being an MRA"
I see you've gone with (2). Good luck with that.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Anything more that you try to read into that is your own cross to bear.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that the SPLC doesn't consider MRAs as a group to be the same as the KKK?
No one mentioned the SPLC.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)That even the SPLC acknowledges that at least some of the issues brought up by those evil, wimmenz-hating MRAs actually have merit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists]
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to defend the MRAs. That was written in response to the MRA's collective temper tantrum over the SPLC's expose on the extreme levels of misogyny and violent rhetoric amongst MRAs.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women
For another, here's some language you did not quote from your link
Thomas James Ball, for example, who was hailed as a martyr on so many mens rights forums, called for arson attacks on courthouses and police stations. The Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik wrote extensively about the evils of feminism. We included as much as we did about Register-Her.com because it is so intimidating to its targets, not all of whom are criminals. When Elam accused Vliet Tiptree, a pseudonymous contributor to RadFem Hub, of calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is, he offered a cash reward for her real identity. The names and locations of several candidates were publically aired.
...
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Guess what? I agree.. so, let me make this easy and clear.. my position on MRAs is exactly the same as the SPLC's.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)you could have just said "I'm not an MRA and I'm not part of that crowd" but you certainly didn't do that.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"MRA woman-hating site" you relied upon for information on domestic violence.
Since you claim to share the SPLC's view on MRAs, can you show us where you've extensively criticized the misogyny that permeates the mens' rights movement?
Better yet, where you called out a misogynist at DU?
opiate69
(10,129 posts)I was up late playing WoW when I should have been cramming. Can we reschedule? When is the House UnMisogyny Committee scheduled to meet again?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Too bad not everyone here agrees with that.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)The thing that "not everyone agrees on" is what actually constitutes misogyny.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)good for you
now do the same for females
betting you'll find more than just two
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)you're the one trying to argue that women have it so much easier than men.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Mary Kay LaTourneau-7 year sentence; only served 6 months at first
Carrie McCandless-45 days for statutory rape and providing drugs and alcohol to a minor
Gabriela Compton-sentenced to 39 years for having sex with a 14 year old boy and a 13 year old boy-didn't do a day of jail time
Beth Geisel-sentenced to 6 months and got credit for time served;
Adrianne Hockett-180 days for raping a 16 year old special needs student
Rachel Holt-under a plea agreement, she pled guilty to one count of 2nd degree rape and sentenced to 10 years; she was originally charged with 28 counts of having sex with a 13 year old
Amy Gail Lilley-house arrest for sleeping with a 15 year old girl; she was 38 at the time
Angela Comer-sentenced to 10 years for not only molesting a 14 year old boy but kidnapping him to Mexico
Amy McElhenney-grand jury refused to return an indictment against her for sleeping with one of her students; he was 18 but Texas state law outlaws any sort of sexual relations between a teacher and a student
Becci Hill-sentenced to 2 years for molesting a 15 year old autistic boy
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This conversation has been very revealing.
Off to update my jury blacklist.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)someone proved you wrong and you're just running off
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and I'm not on the record endorsing extreme misogynist hate group's disparagement of the issue of rape:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4114148
So, yeah, you and WND and A Voice for Men, not gonna win any debates on rape on a progressive forum
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)you're looking up my posts to try and discredit me?
LOL
nothing I've said is incorrect
there have been cases where a woman has falsely accused a man of rape-that FACT is not up for debate
the FACT that some women get lighter sentences then men do for rape, child molestation, sex crimes is also not up for debate
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)not all rape accusations are true. Or that some women get lesser sentences than some men for the same crime.
you explicitly endorsed the "don't be that girl" meme from an anti-woman hate site. A message not concerned with criminal justice, but at shaming rape victims and women in general.
They belched out misogyny, and you nodded your head in agreement. You expressed your agreement with an anti-woman meme propagated by a male supremacist hate group.
this is the kind of meme you were endorsing:
Which makes your talking points on female sex abusers derived from a birther website all the more revealing.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)your mistake, among many, is attacking the messenger instead of the message
are you denying that there have been cases where a girl or woman has accused a man or boy of rape when in fact it wasn't true?
are you denying that there have been cases where the girl or woman called rape because she felt bad about having CONSENSUAL sex?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)merely because she regretted having sex.
That pattern of behavior--if it occurs at all--is not anything worth worrying about any more than the war on Christmas is.
There are two groups of people in this world who view false rape accusations as a serious problem facing society: defense lawyers and misogynists.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" Does anyone think a MALE teacher would waltz like she is?"
Yes. Recently a Montana judge handed a teacher convicted of statutory rape a 30 day sentence. Although the sentencing was (and is) being reviewed, the same cannot be ruled out for this outcome either. Math teacher John Azabache was sentenced to no jail time after raping a 16 year old high school student in 21013.
So yes, I think many more people get reduced sentences more often than any of us would like to admit.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The vast majority of all criminal cases result in plea deals. Like it or not that's how our justice system works.
I'm certainly not going to go as far as to say that women are never held accountable for their crimes and men always are, but there is a clear and measurable gender disparity. The reality is that men get the shit end of the stick when it comes to sentencing both in the rate of incarceration and in the length of prison stays which are comparable to the rates at which people of color get the shit end of the stick compared to whites.
http://time.dufe.edu.cn/jingjiwencong/waiwenziliao1/004109.web.pdf
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)and involve people in positions of power, they are called statutory rape because they are rapes in the legal sense of inability to give consent as opposed to a sexual assault where force is involved.
An epidemic of these cases in town of late!
mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)However this is not a god damned competition. Anyone who would use the rape of a child as evidence that women or men get lighter sentences because of their gender is sorely lacking in empathy.
It is the rape culture that enables this. It really sucks when the roles are reversed, but not anymore than if this was a male receiving the same sentence.
It is past time to start taking all rape seriously and to stop using it as points for a mysongenic score card.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Disgusting.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The article doesn't make it clear, but I'm assuming that. I'll withdraw the comment if proven wrong.
Statutory rape--consensual sex with an underage person--is something different than what is implied by "child rape."
What is the appropriate sentence for statutory rape in your mind?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in jail, per the article.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)she should have thought about that before