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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:33 AM

Let's talk about beer

Really good beer, that is.

Brown Nut Ale

OK, can I direct you to Oak Pond Breweries in Caaanan, Maine?

One of my very best friends in this life was Don Chandler who became the Brewmater for ihis beer. Don was one of those guys that was as liberal as you can imagine...but he was also a field engineer that made helicopters evac zones a reality in Vietnam. I'm also sure, when he died last year, it was Agent Orange. Oh well...I'm pretty sure Don would say, try my "Brown Nut Ale'...and, as someone who appreciates beer, I can tell you this is maybe the finest Dark brown beer you could ever drink. I''m serious.

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Old and In the Way Mar 2014 OP
Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #1
zappaman Mar 2014 #3
Old and In the Way Mar 2014 #4
Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #12
zappaman Mar 2014 #2
Post removed Mar 2014 #7
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #5
zappaman Mar 2014 #6
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #19
nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #31
forthemiddle Mar 2014 #54
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #55
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #26
zappaman Mar 2014 #29
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #32
zappaman Mar 2014 #40
Old and In the Way Mar 2014 #11
zappaman Mar 2014 #13
Old and In the Way Mar 2014 #14
zappaman Mar 2014 #15
Post removed Mar 2014 #21
quinnox Mar 2014 #18
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #20
quinnox Mar 2014 #22
quinnox Mar 2014 #8
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #9
Old and In the Way Mar 2014 #17
Old and In the Way Mar 2014 #23
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #25
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #27
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #30
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #28
Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #10
zappaman Mar 2014 #16
Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #48
REP Mar 2014 #24
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #33
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #37
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #43
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #44
TDale313 Mar 2014 #34
raven mad Mar 2014 #35
bravenak Mar 2014 #36
raven mad Mar 2014 #39
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Make7 Mar 2014 #38
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #45
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #46
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #41
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #42
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #50
bemildred Mar 2014 #47
pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #49
Lasher Mar 2014 #51
Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #52
Shrike47 Mar 2014 #53
Kilgore Mar 2014 #56
cali Mar 2014 #57
Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2014 #58
In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #59

Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:35 AM

1. Moose Drool Ale from Montana. Me likey

 

I like that brewery's Going To The Sun pale ale. A big IPA fan myself.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:38 AM

3. I do like the drool... Nt

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:41 AM

4. I obviously repect your need to post this.

But I am talking about the best gaddam beer America never heard of, by a guy who eventually gave his life for this country. Give me a break Mr. P. Warrior....have you no shame? Seriously.\, I will need to show up at your house and show you what OPB Brown Nut Ale is all about. I am very sorry for you. Perhaps you need to post in HoF? Do you love America?

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:51 AM

12. you are clearly 5 courses into an Irish 7 course meal so I will only say this

 

I am from Portland, Oregon--Beervana of the world. If any place is home to the best gaddam (sic) beer in the world--it is that fine city.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:38 AM

2. Having a firestone Union Jack IPA right now.

Big Racer 5 fan too.

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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:44 AM

5. I am on the verge of applying for financing...

 

I live in a place where the sun shines 300 days a year on average. I'm going to start a microbrewery and it's going to be powered by the sun.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:46 AM

6. For real?

I want in!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:08 AM

19. Yeah. Oso Verde. I have a marketing plan and everything.

 

Damn if I'm not too chicken to actually pull the trigger. My Wife says if I got the loan and it didn't work out, we'd lose our house and if that happened she'd be on the road outta town.

I brew 9.8 lemony ale that's consistent in taste and quality and my friends BEG me for. I'm pretty sure I can do it on a semi-large scale. The selling point is solar-brewed, hence OSO VERDE.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:51 AM

31. I love the super-high-alcohol beers. I'm a 210-lb. dude but a 22 of that will get me quite buzzed...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:22 AM

54. Just a heads up

There is a very successful brewery in central Wisconsin with the name Oso Brewing. http://osobrewing.com/
I don't know much about trademarking, and naming etc. Just wanted you to be aware.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:31 AM

55. I wonder if Big Bear Brewing is taken

That seems like a natural--and very good--name for this new brewery.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:20 AM

26. So here's the deal...

 

I'm thinking the SBA should be of a mind to grant loans to green businesses. I have a property in mind without a shade tree within A MILE. At 7,000 ASL. Big warehouse, with lots of roof area. Believe it or not, the pitch of the roof is oriented north and south. Perfect for motor driven solar panels pointed at the sun from sun up until sun down.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:31 AM

29. What state is this in?

Sounds great!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:52 AM

32. Jerry Brown's Kingdom. n/t

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:14 AM

40. We should talk.

Greatest state in the union.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:51 AM

11. I'd be suspect about Z-man.

I heard he likes Cab/Sauvignon....

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:52 AM

13. Nope.

Only a nice white wine spritzer for me!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:54 AM

14. Sure...like we can believe an anonymous poster on DU.

When did you stop abusing Mr. Cab, Sauvigon???????

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:55 AM

15. I'm trying to

See beyond your your wine.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:07 AM

18. wow, sounds like a dream

 

If you ever really do it, I want a bottle!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:10 AM

20. Guaranteed... you and a few others.

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:13 AM

22. awesome!

 

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:48 AM

8. Not much of a drinker, but when I do have one occasionally every few months

 

I found one I really enjoy. It was at the local Safeway but unfortunately they stopped carrying it. An Australian beer.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:49 AM

9. You aint gettin' through this thread without hearing this song

Sorry

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:04 AM

17. Rummy, you won;t believe this (if you are sane)

but Don and I met the 1st time in 1985. I was just hired and he was 2 levels above me, Anyways, Don interviewed med at work, then at the local bar....and hired me. Best goddam decision he ever m Then we made huge money for SPX the we got bought by GE, then we all siad, "fuck that". Then Don became the best goddam brewmaster in Central Maine,

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:15 AM

23. I think I need to send you 6 - 2oz bottles of BNA

How to???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:20 AM

25. 2 oz. bottles?

What is it--eau de toilette?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:22 AM

27. That does sound a bit small, doesn't it?

Save on shipping costs, of course.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:31 AM

30. Maybe you just dab it behind your ears

Or spritz it and walk through the mist. That certainly would be a novel approach to beer.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:23 AM

28. Thank you, but I haven't touched the stuff in a very, very long time.

Still, appreciated. Drink 'em for me.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:50 AM

10. Okay. I've got a Carlton Cold in the fridge...



I'm not much of a beer drinker, but if I were to recommend a beer from Australia, I'd probably go for that one, as it's one of the few beers I can drink...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:57 AM

16. I like coopers

Will have to try the cold.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:59 AM

48. Coopers is the only other beer I drink...

Trust me on the Cold. You won't regret it

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:17 AM

24. No such thing as "really good beer"

Some is less vile than others, but I just can't deal with things that taste like a soured wash rag smells.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:02 AM

37. ...

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:31 AM

43. ~~~

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #43)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:41 AM

44. ROFLMAO!

ERMAHGERD--THERTS HERLERERS!


You win!

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:59 AM

34. Well, looks like someone's getting a vacation. n/t

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:59 AM

35. Alaska Amber.

Sigh. Alaska Amber. Do not go with the rest. Just..........Alaska Amber. Out of Juneau, where the hot air gathers!

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Response to raven mad (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:01 AM

36. +1

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:06 AM

39. +150!

Best. Beer. Ever.

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Response to Make7 (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:44 AM

45. Oh, drat!

I guess it may be a few weeks before we get the story on those liiiitle tiny beer bottles.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:55 AM

46. They used to heed the words he said,

but that was yesterday.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:14 AM

41. From "True Blood"...

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:30 AM

42. That's Ralph Steadman's work

I may not know much, but I know that.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:56 AM

47. Yes, that is an excellent ale, and good browns are less common.

I have become a puritan now, so I don't keep up, but I remember his ale. It really stood out compared to Newcastle and the like, and I used to look for good browns (and Belgians).

I had a friend that got Agent Orange, $16k per month for chemo, he said.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:57 AM

49. R.I.P. Don Chandler

Too bad the thread focused more on beer and double-downs.

I suspect Don spent most of his time doing bigger things than evac zones, unless he was only doing them in triple canopy jungle. In the field we did our own Landing Zones. A platoon of grunts with machetes and some C-4 and viola! There's your LZ in the jungle. Pop smoke, "I see Goofy Grape," "Roger Goofy Grape," and Bob's your uncle.

I had a friend years after the war who had been with the Air Force in Operation Ranch Hand, spraying Orange and the other color-coded agents. He handled the drums, splashed their contents on himself. Both of his daughters were born with birth defects related to parental exposure to dioxin, and 20 years after he got back he still had the worst case of chloracne I've seen.

Years ago I'd pick up my friend and take him to some of his VA appointments. He was part of the Ranch Hand study, and they kept taking tissue samples from him again and again, because every time he went through that they'd tell him they lost his samples...

R.I.P. Don Chandler and all the others we've lost.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:13 AM

51. I'll salute that.



That was two hides today for OAITW and now he can't post for awhile. Seems odd, maybe raising a glass or ten to salute an old comrade, then PWI?

All vets who served in Vietnam can get VA medical benefits (regardless of means testing) because of the Agent Orange that was used there. This is court mandated, driven by lawsuit.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:18 AM

52. Phew.

Thanks for the reminder, and yes, RIP and salute to all those guys.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:27 AM

53. Oh please, let's not. I fear I may had a trifle too much to drink.

Let's think of other things, calm, quiet things.

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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:21 AM

56. Mmmmmm Beer!!!

A nectar to soothe the ills of the day!

A frothy Black Butte Porter is heaven in a glass. Perfect when consumed on the deck watching the world go by.

http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/brew/black-butte-porter

Kilgore

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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:31 AM

57. Meet the darling of the craft beer world- Shaun Hill of Hill Farmstead Beer

 

Two weeks ago, a beer drinker in Fresno, Calif., called Hill Farmstead Brewery in Vermont to ask where he could buy its craft beers. “You have to drive to the airport, get a ticket, fly to Burlington, rent a car and drive an hour and a half to the brewery,” the owner, Shaun Hill, replied with a laugh. But he wasn’t joking.

Hill Farmstead, in the hamlet of Greensboro, produces just 60,000 gallons of beer annually. The beer is available for purchase only at the brewery and in roughly 20 Vermont bars. In addition, Mr. Hill sends 12 kegs to distributors in New York City and Philadelphia a few times a year.

Next year, after several buildings are expanded and new equipment is installed, Mr. Hill plans to cap production at 150,000 gallons a year — forever. (For context, the Russian River Brewing Company, a craft brewery in California, made 437,100 gallons last year, and Dogfish Head Craft Brewery in Delaware produced 6.3 million gallons.)

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Demand surged last February when users of the beer-review site Ratebeer.com deemed Hill Farmstead the best brewery in the world — after having anointed Mr. Hill as the best new brewer in 2010.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/business/craft-beer-the-very-limited-edition.html

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3:35 PM, April 25 2013
An Interview with Shaun Hill, Brewmaster at Hill Farmstead, the “Best Brewery in the World”
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Shaun Hill. Click here to see photos of the brewery.

In January of this year, Hill Farmstead was dubbed Best Brewery in the World by RateBeer.com—the world’s most comprehensive beer-review-and-rating Web site—just two years after being awarded the title New Brewer of the Year. In February, I sat down with its head brewer/founder/etc., Shaun E. Hill, in the 33-year-old’s home, located impossibly close to the brewery itself. When the doors opened at noon, the line for the retail shop was already so long for beers like Edward (its flagship American pale ale named after Hill’s grandfather) and Fear and Trembling (its smoked Baltic porter named after Sřren Kierkegaard’s work) that it took the friends I arrived with the hour-and-a-half length of the interview to get growlers filled. Even Shaun himself was scratching his head at the crowd . . .

Shaun Hill: Oh man, I can’t even go out there. It’s just too much. I wish it wasn’t like that. My driveway is completely full. Someday hopefully I can build a house down in the woods. . . . And it’s only one o’clock—it’s just going to keep getting worse. Is the line out the door?

VF Daily: Yeah.

Fuck. . . . I don’t know what to do about it all. There really is no other brewery that is in that position. We seem to be the only ones who ceaselessly have people buying like 20 growlers and 12 cases of beer. Sorry, I have a very somber tone here, right? Anyone else sitting in this position would probably be like, “Man, everything is so great and we’re doing this and this,” and I’m just like, “Man, success is fucking stressful . . . ”

Well, the first thing I wanted to say is congratulations on all the recent accolades. You’ve hit this sort of consumer-driven zenith, and I’m wondering what that means in terms of the future?

Creating a little more space for me to have enough distance so that I can actually decide when I feel like being social. Because currently the retail shop is also where I work. If you’re in the middle of brewing and you’re not having a great day, that’s when all these people are really excited to talk to you and meet the brewer.

I wear everything on my sleeve. I can’t paint on a face and pretend. And I’ve gotten a lot of shit about that.

We’re adding more buildings [to the campus], but that’s also pretty stressful because Vermont in general is not really an industrial place. It’s not that easy to find people who know what you need done. But that’s what we’re doing, moving in a direction that will allow us to increase production if we wanted to. And I don’t actually want to. I don’t want to be a larger brewer. I just sort of want to build a playground.

At the moment, we have no debt; everything is paid for. Up until October, I only had two employees, and the October before that, I only had one, and the February before that, it was just me doing the work of five people. So I’m slowly adding people to take over different facets of the brewery, which will help separate my life from my work . . . if I ever have a personal life again.

I just feel like I’m managing chaos all the time. The crowds, however, hold great implications for Vermont tourism.

Why did you open Hill Farmstead?

When I was younger, I knew that I wanted to be a brewer. I started a home-brew club in college and fantasized about coming back here and putting a brewery in this woodshed and painting houses and just trying to create time for myself to read and write. I’ve kept all these kind of journaling notebooks since I was 18, and it’s really fascinating to go back and look at them, like, “Whoa—some of those things actually worked out.” I didn’t build an outdoor bread oven, and I’m not raising chickens or whatever.

I’ve been really lucky through my life to have a sense of place. From day one I’ve been saying that we are part of a neo-American ideal, which is the opposite of infinite, boundless growth. Why that manifest destiny? I’ve had offers to design an I.P.A. for $5 a case, or for a check for 20 grand right on the spot. And I’m like, “This is absurd!” I mean, I’ll look at a recipe and help someone out, but I’ve worked way too hard for too long and have too much integrity and self-pride to help someone brand a beer so they can make money by having someone else do all the work for them.

If everything is inherently meaningless and you choose what to give value to, why not choose to give value to that thing you’ve dedicated so much of your time and effort into producing? In today’s marketplace, there’s a segment of the population who in the absence of God—if God is dead, so to speak—have moved into this phase of what’s been called “person-centered civil religion,” where people start to find meaning and value in different things in their lives. Maybe it’s football and the New England Patriots are “God,” or maybe it’s boutique beers. It’s an age where people are spending their dollars in such a way that it also has the potential to bring meaning back into their lives.

Beer is quite a uniter. How do you reconcile with, say, fans of your beer who might be at complete philosophical odds with you?

We host events, which is often the time I’ll get a chance to talk to people the most, and I think the only time that there are glaring differences is when someone is a little hostile about not being able to get our beer as often as they want to. “Why don’t you just move into an industrial park? Why don’t you grow? You guys could sell so much beer.” They come from the point of view that business has a responsibility to meet their desires as opposed to business having a responsibility to create a positive-feedback loop that meets its own desires.

What is your design process? How do you go about dedicating beers to specific ancestors and philosophers?

Not that I’m a huge Grateful Dead fan, but I’ve read about Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia, and with them sometimes the lyrics come before the music; sometimes the music comes before the lyrics. And that’s sort of how it is in terms of creating and brewing beers. As far as recipe development and flavor development, it’s all about an obsession with taste. Like: “Wow, mimosas are amazing”—and I love citrus—so we try to make a beer that would heighten those characteristics. And maybe in some of the bourbon-barrel beers, it’s an infatuation with marzipan and almond and coconut. And it’s also really important to taste other people’s beers. Although I don’t know how to say this without sounding far too egotistical or something, but . . . I remember when I was studying philosophy in school, I’d go to a professor and be like, “I really want to talk about Nietzsche’s madness and signing his name as ‘The Crucified’ in these letters,” and the professor would be like, “You’re focusing on the wrong things. In order to expand the canon, you have to understand the canon and work within it.”

A lot of brewers now go straight from home brewing into making a chili-chocolate-chipotle porter or whatever, and it’s like . . . well, just fucking make a good porter first, and understand what a porter is instead of trying to re-invent it.

As far as naming goes, when a particular beer really is striking and you know you would like to continue to make it for the rest of your life, then it’s an ancestor. With the philosophical works, sometimes those names have come at the same time as the beer. We’re about to launch Madness and Civilization, a Foucault series, because we have so many large, dark, strong beers in barrels that in some way end up getting fragmentized, either out of blending or by filling barrels, and there’ll be an extra 10 gallons left in the tank, so it goes into this other barrel that gets topped off with three different beers . . . what the heck do you do with those? Do you come up with a different name every time? January, February, March? Or name them after the planets? So it’s part of an “ultra-rational logistical structure.” It’s all already pretty chaotic, so to be able to make sense of it and feel that there is some semblance of control—at least in the design and the naming—the beer profile makes sense.

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http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2013/04/shaun-hill-brewmaster-hill-farmstead

http://www.hillfarmstead.com/

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Response to Old and In the Way (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:36 AM

58. Let's sing about beer......

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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:17 AM

59. Brown Nut Ale sounds good to me.

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