Is it time for a total global collapse?

[Zalatix]

I mean, a total dark ages. A currency collapse that starts in the Western world:

1) and destroys the market for Eastern imports;
2) collapses the Eastern economies, too;
3) fragments and destabilizes funding for the troops and police that protect the Plutocracy, leaving them vulnerable to the fury of a global upheaval.

A dark ages is not the worst thing that can happen to humanity. A plutonomy is much worse, and it will be permanent. Anyone read Hunger Games? We'll wish a plutonomy was like that.

There must be some way to pull the world out from under the Plutocracy such that we can build a better civilization.

The Great Depression did give us Social Security...

[Atman]

2. This is what BushCo envisioned prior to his installation.

Used almost the same wording you did; no significant change had ever happened without serious pain for a vast number of people. That's why they drained the treasury for themselves and refuse to give any of it back; they're prepared. They're hunkering down behind their compound walls.

The huddled masses can't wrap their heads around such lofty concepts. After all, there are much more important matters for them -- finding food, finding rent money, paying for a visit to the doctor, and watching Dancing With The Stars.

The wealthy capitalists, who have strategized the end of the New Deal since the day it was enacted, can afford to think and act long-term, because their money will stay within the power structure, within their families, generation after generation. The rest are lucky to see money still in their bank accounts at the end of the week.

Meanwhile, I firmly believe the GOP realizes the serious likelihood of such a collapse, and fairly soon. Not the total downfall, but serious enough to set the dominoes toppling. Like, during 2012. Why else would such a ruthless, cutthroat party, well known for strategizing while Democrats sing Kumbaya, put forth such a ridiculous, feckless, clown-car full of candidates to face Obama? Why? Because they don't want to be blamed when this Titanic hits the iceberg.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

3. If the worst happens, I'm headed to Hawaii.

I'll buy a two-way ticket to hide my intentions. Then I will travel to the wilds of Kawaii. I will live in the forest, fishing and harvesting my food.

The alternative is New Zealand or Australia. any place with an empty shoreline where I can wait the bad times out. The Outback has LOTS of empty space. Zealand is where they filmed the Hobbit.

I'll take just a few things, but a solar powered radio is a must.

[Pharaoh]

7. I like your plan n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

19. Don't mean to rain on your parade (and I do

apologize for that metaphor), but living close to a shore may prove problematic as global climate change accelerates. You will want access to the shore but with very high ground immediately behind you for your retreat from the effects of global warming on sea levels.

Other than that, your plan makes sense.

[spanone]

4. 'A dark ages is not the worst thing that can happen to humanity'...bwahahahahahaaa

how many dark ages have you lived through to come to this conclusion?

[Javaman]

11. +1000

Amazing isn't it?

I'm always amazed by this bizarre form of logic.

I call it the Tear it down and start from scratch stupidity.

It's always the ones who want this moronic "solution" that believe they won't be effected by it at all.

[AngryAmish]

13. If there is a collapse who will suffer the most?

People with no assets, brains or firearms.

[Javaman]

15. Which is most of America. nt

[Zalatix]

20. If you think that's bad try serfdom... it's worse.

But you haven't lived through that, either.

[Starry Messenger]

5. "There must be some way to pull the world out from under the Plutocracy such that we can build a

better civilization"--yes, there is. But no one ever likes my answer. It doesn't involve mayhem or global collapse, but expropriating the obscene wealth of the plutocrats and corporations and giving the common riches of the country to the governing and management of working people. Starts with an 'S'...

[socialist_n_TN]

8. Yeah it's funny how everybody can rail against the Plutocracy

and not even mention the system that's been against the Plutocracy since it's inception. I mean it's not like those people can be shamed into giving back to the rest of us. They HAVE no shame.

[Starry Messenger]

10. "They HAVE no shame."

Hell, they *blame* us for wanting some of it back. And it's our money! I don't know why people think we need to have the entire world turn into Mad Max instead of just doing the obvious.

[Javaman]

12. The word that starts with "S"

needs to be shouted from mountain to mountain.

It's coming, just a matter of time. I just hope I'm still alive to enjoy it.

[jwirr]

16. I agree it is coming in one way or the other. It will take time if it is to come peacefully - the

economy will need to tank even more and it will have to effect the 1% hard. I think that is where oil depletion and global warming will help bring it in.

If we do not have the time then there will be violence as I cannot see the corporations and the rich giving in easily. They will need to see that their day is over and be made to understand it.

I prefer the first way but do not believe it can happen peacefully. Greed and arrogance are very hard to destroy.

[Zalatix]

21. How are we ever going to reach socialism with this system in place?

You've got to take the power away from the Plutocracy to get socialism going. How are you going to overthrow them?

[Starry Messenger]

22. Well, for starters, I'm not watching idly by while they burn the world down.

I'm working to build a majority of people who think like I do, so we can plan together as a strong unit. So far 77% of Americans think that corporations have too much power. That's a pretty good start. I think 77% of Americans could come up with a good plan. Let's come up with ideas. There are practical ways we can reduce their power.

[Zalatix]

23. And when people decide to enact socialism the Corporations will put them down

And they will do so with the help of the military. At that point you will know a much worse reality than a total collapse: they'll start culling, seriously.

Tell me, how do you expect to beat the corporate-funded military?

[Starry Messenger]

26. That's why you work to end monopoly by laws before enacting socialism.

How do I expect to beat the corporate-funded military? By working for a political environment that gets corporate money out of the military. Sure, it's slow, but it beats eating lizards.

[Zalatix]

32. You need to get corporate money out of Government first

good luck with that.

[Starry Messenger]

33. That sounds like a plan!

I think we'll have better luck with it if we don't let the globe collapse in an apocalyptic showdown, or what ever it was you thought was in the offing.

[Zalatix]

34. No you won't. Not even close.

The moment you come anywhere close to a major socialist shift in America you will be put down. The same will happen as soon as you come close to removing lobbyist money and kickbacks from politics.

Martial law will be declared and you'll get culled by the Plutocracy. And you'll know a world far worse than any major collapse: you'll be a serf, if you survive.

Let me repeat: you will never, ever get money out of politics as long as the system remains standing. Ever.

[Starry Messenger]

36. Well, write and let us know how your Dark Ages LARP is going.

I guess I'll put you down as a "No, I'm not helping".

[Zalatix]

37. Dark Ages? Bah. We'll both be branded as terrorists and locked up indefinitely. n/t

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[Countdown_3_2_1]

6. The Great Depression led to the desperation that Hitler used to rise to power.

Hungry people will support anyone who can promise food, change and a return to prosperity.

[ThomWV]

30. Hitler's rise to power goes a lot deeper than just the Great Depression

[banned from Kos]

9. No. Currency is becoming more valuable (or scarce)

Currency collapse occurs when currency is abundant and nearly worthless.

[Odin2005]

14. Capitalism is the disease, Socialism is the cure.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. You first. nt

[MjolnirTime]

18. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

[Zalatix]

27. You're right. I am now convinced that living like a serf is better.

Life where you can be indefinitely detained as a terrorist in a military prison for pointing out animal abuse at farms, your standard of living perpetually declines into oblivion, Social Security and Medicare are privatized (making it pretty much useless), and armed police gangs put down peaceful demonstrations, is much better.

If we stay our current course you'll get the same things you'll get in a collapse - except it'll be enforced upon you by increasingly well-armed police gangs.

[Scurrilous]

24. Yawn.

Next!

[trumad]

25. Can we wait until after the Super Bowl?

[tabasco]

28. LOL @ your premise that something better will result from collapse.

Good luck with that.

[snooper2]

29. And the first thing you will say is how come the Intertubes is a down?

Hope you know how to wield a shotgun because you better protect those two 50 gallon drums of gas you stole

[Zalatix]

31. If we stay our current course there won't be any gasoline to steal.

We reached peak oil a few years back, FYI. Now other countries are starting to guzzle gasoline, too.

Then there's the whole global warming problem.

But don't worry, those problems won't be our concern. We can leave it to our kids.

[JoePhilly]

35. Not happening. nt