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2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:19 PM Mar 2012

You think when somebody says "gun nuts" they mean every gun owner/enthusiast. That's false. Proof:

34% of Americand personally own a gun. 47% have one in their household.

That's more than a hundred million people. If there were more than a hundred million people who are as batshit crazy, right wing and paranoid as gun nuts are, the United States would have blown up, Mad Max style, decades ago. It has not.

Therefore, the nutty type of gun owners, aka [font color="red"]gun nuts,[/font] must be a small minority.

QED.
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You think when somebody says "gun nuts" they mean every gun owner/enthusiast. That's false. Proof: (Original Post) 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 OP
So what is a "gun nut"? Definition, please. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #1
Zimmerman is a gun nut. I am sure you can figure the rest out. Rex Mar 2012 #3
Zimmerman is a nut who has/had a gun. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #26
Not true, some of them are very crazy and dangerous. Rex Mar 2012 #38
Again, Zimmerman is a 'nut' with a gun. There is a difference. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #57
Funny, I own guns have always owned a few. Rex Mar 2012 #58
He is a nut with agun. I don't love guns - not sure how you arrived at that conjecture. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #60
I don't think you would understand. Rex Mar 2012 #61
Sorry - did not mean to offend you or anyone else. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #63
Here's a few examples. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #4
Quite the Rosetta stone for a kook. orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #8
Thanks 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #14
Someone obsessed with guns and orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #5
I worked with this dude who packed ALL THE TIME rustydog Mar 2012 #17
Would be downright hilarious if it malfunctioned and went off Zalatix Mar 2012 #49
Here's a fairly good description of the term ... spin Mar 2012 #24
Best definition. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #43
" You think " is dangerous whether you orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #2
Hehe. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #7
Are we talking handguns and assault rifles, or are we talking guns for sport and hunting? MrScorpio Mar 2012 #6
Yeah, that's about right. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #11
Agreed ,or in chat rooms. orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #12
Assault rifles are by definition fully automatic. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #15
Did you see all of that in Scorpio's post? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #21
Im asking about function, form may be demonstration of that function MrScorpio Mar 2012 #28
They won't go after deer with a Glock, granted... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #44
Most people who are not "gun nuts" would define an AR-15 as an assault rifle. jpak Mar 2012 #66
Someone also might think a Corvette is a Formula One race car. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #67
I would exempt hunting fascisthunter Mar 2012 #48
Yes, but some here are egocentric Rex Mar 2012 #9
Assuming what people think ,is egocentric and presumptuous orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #35
Right, you've never seen that here either. Rex Mar 2012 #50
No sweat orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #52
I am not defending gun nuts. Rex Mar 2012 #59
I always figured that Shadowflash Mar 2012 #10
Americans are a very fearful bunch as outlets like Faux Newz pump people full of fear Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #13
Gallup Poll: Gun Ownership Soars in U.S. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #18
Yep, exactly my point. The US will not crumble because 100,000,000 people have guns. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #20
I find these "households" with guns very amusing HockeyMom Mar 2012 #32
Which is why the numbers for individual ownership of firearms are significantly smaller than Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #45
Every interest has its nutty extremists. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #16
Oooooo yes it most certainly does. Here, have a snack. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #19
Maybe but the extremists are growing..I think much movonne Mar 2012 #23
1st black prez = massive increase of gun sales. you do the math and figure out the connection nt msongs Mar 2012 #22
and the media such as faux and rush types.... movonne Mar 2012 #25
Who's "you?" MADem Mar 2012 #27
Thank you. orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #29
"all of US" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #31
Maybe "Some of YOU might think..." would work better, then. MADem Mar 2012 #40
The difference is clear between the two chrisa Mar 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #33
2nd that !!!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #36
Thanks for giving me the best laugh of the day. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #37
I'm not sure about a definition, but I'd bet Gun nuts are hickory smoked HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #34
If I were in the roasted nut business, I'd steal that concept! MADem Mar 2012 #41
When I hear someone say "gun nut" I read the rest of the post. hughee99 Mar 2012 #39
nah.... most are cool with folks owning guns fascisthunter Mar 2012 #47
I'm in Massachusetts, and I agree. hughee99 Mar 2012 #51
there are those, but they are in the minority fascisthunter Mar 2012 #55
. Go Vols Mar 2012 #42
Why, you "Firenut", you! BiggJawn Mar 2012 #64
danke fascisthunter Mar 2012 #46
The problem is that it's a vague term that means very different things to different people. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #53
I have my own sub category---Gun hicks Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #54
Goobers, complete goobers rustydog Mar 2012 #62
That's pretty much How I mean it when I use the term fascisthunter Mar 2012 #56
I love the way you conflate gun owner with enthusiast! retread Mar 2012 #65
If you have more weapons than Mendocino Mar 2012 #68

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
26. Zimmerman is a nut who has/had a gun.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:51 PM
Mar 2012

There is a difference.

Gun nuts enjoy their guns like other people enjoy their hobbies, addictions and fantasies. They are not crazy and they are not dangerous.

They are your friends, coworkers and neighbors.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. Not true, some of them are very crazy and dangerous.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:06 PM
Mar 2012

I am related to a few. Zimmerman is a perfect example of a gun nut.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
57. Again, Zimmerman is a 'nut' with a gun. There is a difference.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:17 PM
Mar 2012

Don't let your hate/fear/dislike/whatever of guns make you lose sighte of that.

Your relatives may well be dangerous nuts with guns - and I have to say, some people who own guns are nuts. That is not the guns fault.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. Funny, I own guns have always owned a few.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
Mar 2012

Your love of guns has obviously blinded you. Zimmerman is a gunnut...sorry if that hits a little to close to home for you or whatever. The truth is sometimes not on your side, not my fault.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
60. He is a nut with agun. I don't love guns - not sure how you arrived at that conjecture.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:00 PM
Mar 2012

The truth is, we don't know how many guns Zimmerman owns. What kinds. Or what he used to commit the murder. Do you know?

As far as I know and can say at this time, he is a sick man with some kind of vigilante complex.

Do you actually have any facts to offer to support the "gun nut" theory? How do you qualify him as a 'gun nut'?

Again - as far as I know and can say at this time, he is a sick man with some kind of vigilante complex. And he had/has a gun.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. I don't think you would understand.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:04 PM
Mar 2012

You don't get how offensive your post was to me, yet you did seem to understand how offensive mine was to you...so I think you will miss the point entirely.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
63. Sorry - did not mean to offend you or anyone else.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:09 PM
Mar 2012

I think we just have a difference of opinion and I am trying to understand why you think this guy was a "gun nut". I know "gun nuts". They are not all crazy. Some are. But most are not. I trust them to handle guns safely, with respect and to keep, use and carry within legal bounds.

I think vigilante-ism is a sickness. Zimmerman is/was apparently a self-appointed vigilante. Hence my speculation that he is nut with a gun.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
17. I worked with this dude who packed ALL THE TIME
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:36 PM
Mar 2012

I am certain he packed on an ankle at work. he believed you had to be ready when the "black helicopters" came. he believed the Libruls were going to take his guns away and he would die fighting them.

Wewent to a gun show ont time and you had to unload your open carry weapon at the gate. Once inside, he snickered: they don't look for ankle holsters!

He is a fucking gun nut.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
49. Would be downright hilarious if it malfunctioned and went off
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:44 PM
Mar 2012

thereby shooting him... in the foot.

spin

(17,493 posts)
24. Here's a fairly good description of the term ...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:49 PM
Mar 2012
Gun nut

The term "Gun nut" has been used to describe firearms enthusiasts who are deeply involved with the gun culture. It can have different connotations depending on how it is perceived and the intention of the person using it. To some gun owners, it is embraced affectionately, such as in the popular outdoors magazine Field and Stream which has a column called "The Gun Nut".[8] However to others it is regarded as a pejorative stereotype cast upon gun owners by anti-gun advocates as a means of implying that they are fanatical, exhibit abnormal behavior, or are a threat to the safety of others.[9][10][11][12][13] The term has additionally been used at times by some law enforcement agencies to describe a profile to categorize criminal suspects.[14][15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture


I personally take no offense at being called a gun nut although I call myself a gun enthusiast. I often laugh when I see a person who opposes firearms attempt to insult gun owners by using the term gun nut as it shows how little they understand about the gun culture. Many gun owners are similar to me and find the term inoffensive.

MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
6. Are we talking handguns and assault rifles, or are we talking guns for sport and hunting?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:29 PM
Mar 2012

Motivation for ownership goes a long way in determining who's a "gun nut" or not.

I'd call these people "gun nuts":





But not these people:






It should be noted that the nuts are more likely to be holed up in their "castles", while the un-nuts are out enjoying the great outdoors.

Jus' sayin'.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
11. Yeah, that's about right.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:32 PM
Mar 2012

BTW, I'm not too hot about hunting, but it most definitely doesn't qualify as gun nuttery by itself.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
15. Assault rifles are by definition fully automatic.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:35 PM
Mar 2012

Are you speaking of modern semiautomatics? If so, I would point out that the AR-15 is the most popular centerfire rifle in America. That's an awful lot of "gun nuts".

What's more, are you arguing that owning handguns makes one a "gun nut"? There are probably around 100 million handguns in private hands in the US...

One other question: Are you asserting that modern semiautomatic rifles and handguns aren't used for sports and hunting?

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
21. Did you see all of that in Scorpio's post?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:46 PM
Mar 2012

All I see is a pictorial contrast between insane people and sane people.

MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
28. Im asking about function, form may be demonstration of that function
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:53 PM
Mar 2012

Of course, I'm partial to the notion that hunters aren't very likely to go after a big buck, or a duck or two, armed with just a Glock.

Personally, I don't own guns. I don't want any in my house. I don't hunt and I'm not in any deadly fear of my fellow man (Even when I happen to be in places like New York, Detroit, Chicago, Philly and DC). I also am not one of those people who feel that disagreements are best handled with guns.

My theory is that any person who's willing to take a gun into any kind of situation is probably the first person who's likely to get shot.

One of my favorite uncles was a big time hunter and he had a lot of guns, but I never saw any of them unless he went hunting. He never felt that he had to carry one around everywhere he went either. And we're talking about inner city Detroit here.

Much of my opinions about guns have come from observing how my late uncle handled them.

But, that's just my own opinion and observation.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
44. They won't go after deer with a Glock, granted...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:31 PM
Mar 2012

But plenty of them will hunt deer with a revolver of at least the power of a .44 Magnum, or an even more powerful single-shot handgun such as the Contender. Handgun hunting has become quite popular in the last 30 years.

jpak

(41,780 posts)
66. Most people who are not "gun nuts" would define an AR-15 as an assault rifle.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:28 PM
Mar 2012

and people with concealed weapons permits would be defined as "gun nuts" as well.

and they would be right

yup

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
67. Someone also might think a Corvette is a Formula One race car.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:44 AM
Mar 2012




Both are fast cars, but there are substantial differences between the two. Likewise, the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle by definition.

Really, is this such a hard concept to grasp?
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. Yes, but some here are egocentric
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:31 PM
Mar 2012

and believe you are talking about them. Everything is always about them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. Right, you've never seen that here either.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:02 PM
Mar 2012

Not my fault you want to not pay any attention to posters here and what they post.

Assuming is what YOU do, thanks and keep trying I am sure you will get it right one day!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
59. I am not defending gun nuts.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:15 PM
Mar 2012

Are you really that clueless? Maybe you should not reply to posts you have no clue as to what they are about. Thanks.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
10. I always figured that
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:32 PM
Mar 2012

People use 'gun nut' the same way they use 'fundy'. Not all (or even most of) religious people are off the wall, bat shit crazy fundies and, I suspect, the term 'gun nut' is used to describe an equally small number of bat shit crazy penis extension owners.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
13. Americans are a very fearful bunch as outlets like Faux Newz pump people full of fear
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:34 PM
Mar 2012

100 million people with guns? This country may not be salvageable.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
20. Yep, exactly my point. The US will not crumble because 100,000,000 people have guns.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:44 PM
Mar 2012

Most of those are sane. But boy, are the insane ones loud.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
32. I find these "households" with guns very amusing
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:56 PM
Mar 2012

since my huband has a household full of guns, but that doesn't make ME a gun owner or user. Far from it. See how the numbers can be skewed? When our daughter (30) lived us with, she was not a gun owner or user either.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
45. Which is why the numbers for individual ownership of firearms are significantly smaller than
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:32 PM
Mar 2012

the numbers for household ownership, as per the polls.

movonne

(9,623 posts)
23. Maybe but the extremists are growing..I think much
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
Mar 2012

of it has to do with having a black president and hate news outlets...

msongs

(73,710 posts)
22. 1st black prez = massive increase of gun sales. you do the math and figure out the connection nt
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:46 PM
Mar 2012

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Who's "you?"
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:52 PM
Mar 2012

And even though I like a lot of general in my my general discussion, isn't a shitstorm thread like this more appropriate to the Gungeon?

When "YOU" start out by telling all of US what WE "think," YOU know it is going to end badly. Or you should. That attention-seeking subject line is just baited to the max.

Torches, pitchforks, flamethrowers, and AK-47s at the ready....start your engines...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. Maybe "Some of YOU might think..." would work better, then.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
Mar 2012

That accusatory "YOU THINK" goes over like a lead balloon.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
30. The difference is clear between the two
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:55 PM
Mar 2012

There's gun owners - you barely ever hear about them.

Then there's gun nuts - they have a sickening obsession and love of their guns. I would think someone like that is mentally deranged, and much more likely to kill me than to help me if I were in trouble (and if they were involved, they would likely be the one causing the trouble).

Gun Owner - Owns a gun

Gun Enthusiast - Knows a lot about guns, and respect it.

Gun Nut - YOU LOOKIN' AT ME? I GOTTA GUN, DON'T YOU KNOW!? DON'T EVEN STEP ONE FOOT ON MY PROPERTY OR I'LL SHOOT YOU! And so on. They're also like the Trayvon Martin shooter - obsessed with law and order and have a pretentious aura of being a hard a**. They're usually white, male Far-Righties (no offense), have an obsession with conspiracy theories and a hatred of Obama, and are as dull as a burnt out light post. They have fantasies of being a gun hero, an overly inflated ego, and go looking for trouble in order to fulfill their gun hero fantasies. Not to be confused with keyboard warriors, these guys are actually dangerous.

Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Original post)

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
37. Thanks for giving me the best laugh of the day.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:04 PM
Mar 2012

It's true what they say: unintended humor is the best.

You may want the Mat I posted about above.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. If I were in the roasted nut business, I'd steal that concept!
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:13 PM
Mar 2012

You could sell those things hand over fist at all sorts of gun-nutty AND convenience/big box store type places--clever little overpriced packages of a handful or two in a hunter's orange/como motif! Dust 'em with a mix of ground vitamin powder to be able to tout the "energy" aspect of the snack. Boom goes the dynamite--you're rich, and tooling around in a fancy car with a GUNNUTS vanity license plate!!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
39. When I hear someone say "gun nut" I read the rest of the post.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
Mar 2012

Sometimes they are referring to that small minority who think that everyone should be armed at all times and the government should have no involvement or even oversight of firearm related issues, and sometimes they are just broad-brushing all gun owners.

Most often, the phrase "gun nut" seems to just refer to anyone who doesn't agree with the poster's idea of what "reasonable firearm laws" are.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
47. nah.... most are cool with folks owning guns
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:37 PM
Mar 2012

especially for their homes. I live in Mass and there are plenty of gun owners but they aren't defending laws like Stand Your Ground because they know that those laws can be abused easily. Most of my friends who own guns do not even want to conceal carry...

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
51. I'm in Massachusetts, and I agree.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:47 PM
Mar 2012

But when you see "gun nut" in a post it doesn't mean my definition of "gun nut" is the same as someone else's. In my experience, those who use this particular term to describe anyone have a negative view of guns in general.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
55. there are those, but they are in the minority
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:31 PM
Mar 2012

BTW-I think the pats are making a run for it! Need one more DB.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
42. .
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:14 PM
Mar 2012

I have 2 fire extinguishers in my house,I also have 2 loaded guns.I hope I never have to use either,but I sleep better knowing both are there for my safety.

Most people that own guns seldom pick them up,its the nuts that make some people think all guns owners are capable of being a nut too.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/7522736-418/homeless-man-killed-by-fire-extinguisher-thrown-from-roof.html

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
64. Why, you "Firenut", you!
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:19 PM
Mar 2012

I have 2 fire extinguishers, too. One in the kitchen, one in the office where all the electronic toys are.
Doesn't mean I sit around playing with myself fantasizing about having a fire. How about you?

Like my loaded handguns, I hope I go to my dirt nap having never used either one.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
53. The problem is that it's a vague term that means very different things to different people.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:16 PM
Mar 2012

It's also prejudicial. I have to admit that when I see it used, I pretty much dismiss the rest of what the person is trying to say and move on. Vague, stereotype-reinforcing, disparaging terms have that effect on me, I guess. They're a sign of lazy thinking...and why bother reading something from a lazy thinker? Only so many hours in a day, y'know?

Kingofalldems

(40,264 posts)
54. I have my own sub category---Gun hicks
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:18 PM
Mar 2012

People who actually shoot and hunt from their cars. Go out in the country and notice the bullet riddled road signs.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
62. Goobers, complete goobers
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:07 PM
Mar 2012

You see road signs, mail boxes, garbage cans peppered with bullet holes

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
56. That's pretty much How I mean it when I use the term
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:33 PM
Mar 2012

I think the best way is to ask a responsible gun owner as to what term should be used as not to disparage all gun owners.

PS - I have asked my buddies, and they agree with the term.

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