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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLatest Gun Humper Shooting: This time, Dad shoots boy in Teen Daughter's Bedroom
http://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Dad-shoots-teen-found-in-his-daughter-s-room-5313696.phpSYG, Texas!!!
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)I forgot.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)I think the response was excessive. To a rape, maybe appreciate, but that's not the situation here.
SCUBANOW
(92 posts)or did he believe the boy was raping his daughter?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)He judged the boy as guilty until proven innocent and played judge, jury, and executioner. Anyone who would think it is acceptable to kill a person based on a mistaken belief is a disgusting murder supporter who should never be trusted with guns.
SCUBANOW
(92 posts)I would have no problem doing everything/anything that I needed to do to stop it, and yes that includes deadly force. I have seen firsthand what a "kid" can do. I helped load a 17 year old in a body bag after being shot in the back of the head by a 10 year old during a gang fight in 1990.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,896 posts)Their fear is so great they justify the murder of innocent people because of their fears. They are just fine with murders like this because 'what if....'.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)They don't seem to care at all about the person that was shot, only about the "right" to shoot someone on the basis of what might happen. I do not want people who justify murder to be owning guns, they try to tell me they are no threat to me but anyone who would try to justify murder is a person who should never be trusted with a gun.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)billh58
(6,655 posts)neatly solved with a gun and summary vigilante justice by a "responsible" gun owner.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Actually this is the tip of the iceberg.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Thanks for pointing out the harm that guns are doing to our society, there are way too many guns on our streets and until the NRA types stop pushing more and more guns the violence you cite will continue.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And this shooting has nothing to do with gun nut paranoia.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)A father finds a strange man in daughter's bedroom and daughter doesn't know him, or says as much???
A father might, in his own home (not stand your ground) might defend self and family.
An argument reportedly ensued between the boy and the father.
The father told police he opened fire on the teen after the teen dropped his hands as if to grab something. He died at the scene....
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-dad-fatally-shoots-boy-in-teen-daughters-bedroom/
LostOne4Ever
(9,730 posts)The moment he shot before seeing any type of weapon, the responsibility became his.
Though, seeing as this is Texas, I doubt he will be charged. My home state does love its guns.
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MO_Moderate
(377 posts)They always ignore the physical parts, don't they.
avebury
(11,186 posts)house and if she did in fact sneak him into her room, and then if she did in fact deny knowing the boy her actions directly contributed to the death of the boy. If she knew her Dad owned a gun just what did she think would happen if her Dad caught the boy in her room?
If that is what played out and the boy's family may have a case in civil court against the girl and her family.
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)prosecution is gonna have a hard time with this oner
sibelian
(7,804 posts)A strange man in the daughter's bedroom that the daughter says she doesn't know, what the hell's the guy going to think? Very obviously he's going to think: "rape".
That girl is in trouble.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)and flipped out.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)in a hypothetical situation where you find a stranger in your daughters bedroom around 2:30 at night and your daughter claims she doesn't know him you would think along the lines of 'oh, my daughter is surely just lying to me'?
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)1. No where in the article does it say she denied knowing the boy
And
2. It would make no sense for a girl to make the situation worse than it would otherwise be by pretending her boyfriend is an intruder.
moriah
(8,312 posts)"When the armed and angry dad confronted the teens and asked who the boy was, his daughter at first denied having a clue, according to deputies."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mom-texas-boy-shot-death-girl-bedroom-apology-article-1.1721939#ixzz2w0ziucXr
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Sounds like the daughter has been coached to protect the father. I mean really? The gun appeared and the girl didn't immediately reveal who the boy really was? During the scuffle she wasn't screaming it was her boyfriend? Either she's been coached or the whole situation is pretty stupid and tragic.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)Since i found the information in the article lacking i looked around for other sources as well
Detectives say the man's 16-year-old daughter let the 17-year-old boy into her family's home in Spring, Texas, and sneaked him into her bedroom, but when her father walked in and questioned who the boy was, she said she didn't know.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-dad-fatally-shoots-boy-in-teen-daughters-bedroom/
addendum: just saw somebody else have replied to you as well, but one sentence from the chronicles(OP's link) report makes me doubt he is a gun humper(OP's choice of words)
Authorities on Thursday did not identify the boy or the 55-year-old suspect, who was taken to a nearby hospital after the shooting for symptoms of a panic attack.
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Had he been the crazed gun lover some people have tried painting him as i doubt he would have suffered a panic attack, i can however see him getting one if he shoots somebody he believes is a burglar(or worse) due to his daughter claiming she doesn't know him, only to have her admit that she knew the kid after he is shot since its likely a heavy blow to learn you shot an innocent kid.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)largely irrelevant since, obviously, being her boyfriend, he would not have been found in the process of attacking his daughter...probably just standing there...and therefore exhibited no imminent threat...
Unless of course, you think it's okay to shoot someone in your home based on a lie from your kid?
I didn't think so.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)If the reports are accurate it depends on exactly what the argument/movement was though
i'm going to wait for more information though before making a final judgement(though preliminary opinion is justified based on what he knew at the time)
avebury
(11,186 posts)interests when dealing with an angry Dad. If she did in fact deny knowing the boy initially, she threw the boy to the wolves (in this case - Dad).
sibelian
(7,804 posts)and, fearing for her safety, over-reacted.
But you don't like stories like that, do you? That's not the poor hapless wench being oppressed by disgusted patriarchal man-beast. No good to you.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Unless he was witnessing his daughter in the process of being attacked, the safest thing he could of done for everyone was vacate the premises.
But even though he surely saw no attack in process, he still introduced a gun to the situation and ended up killing the kid.
That's all I need to know about this low life's motives because, of course, a teenager with his daughter just standing there not doing anything or maybe just trying to leave..why, of course there is no other explanation why he is there so let's get a weapon...
And don't foget, the dead kid is not around to tell his side...where have we seen that before?
No, not changing my mind about this one.
leftyladyfrommo
(19,940 posts)She will never, ever be right after experiencing something so awful. And the guilt? Whoa.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)and I stay normally in LBN and GD, I'm sorry if it's a dupe.
Add to the fact I'm 8000 miles away, please excuse my oversight
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)in GD.
randr
(12,609 posts)hoofuckinray
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Facts learned after the use of deadly force cannot be considered in determining whether the force was justified of not. This rule of law swings both ways.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)ask a question. Sentence first, verdict afterwards.