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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:04 PM Mar 2014

How do you deal with a misbehaving, nuclear armed, super power?

Many here say but the world did not really punish the US over Iraq. Something similar will happen with Russia. Both are armed with nuclear weapons. The limit is truly economic. Unless that is, we want to risk a nuclear exchange.

As to whether we have "moral authority" because of the votes in the Senate, one thing my poli sci instructor said ( he was cynical as can be) now makes sense. Morality is for chumps. In the international stage there is no morality, just national interests.

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How do you deal with a misbehaving, nuclear armed, super power? (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 OP
To Hell with superpower nations Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #1
Through passive-aggressive behavior FarCenter Mar 2014 #2
Yes, that is one way to skin this cat nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #5
Which is basically what economic sanctions are as well. FarCenter Mar 2014 #6
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7
+1. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #3
I agree. zappaman Mar 2014 #4
care to engage in a duel old chum? pew pew pew... dionysus Mar 2014 #11
I've been in enough shootouts to give nightmares. zappaman Mar 2014 #14
too late! dionysus Mar 2014 #16
Morality is for chums (friends) or chumps (easily deceived person)? MicaelS Mar 2014 #8
chumps nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #9
Let me guess... MicaelS Mar 2014 #12
He started as an Air Force analysist nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #13
Double ouch. MicaelS Mar 2014 #17
He retired in the 70s nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #19
Economic sanctions. Freeze the assets of anyone connected to the Russian Govt. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #10
I don't deal with them at all. How about you? MineralMan Mar 2014 #15
Turn on the freezer; it's time for a cold war. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #18
I have no doubt the MIC is celebrating nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #21
That is literally the most ignorant thing I've read today. CFLDem Mar 2014 #22
Might makes right. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #20
In the Case of China, you ship tens of thousands of jobs to China rustydog Mar 2014 #23
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
6. Which is basically what economic sanctions are as well.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Mar 2014

If you won't play fair, I'm taking my ball and bat and going home.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
8. Morality is for chums (friends) or chumps (easily deceived person)?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:25 PM
Mar 2014

I assume you mean the second, and I agree with last sentence.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. chumps
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:29 PM
Mar 2014

what he did before he joined the department made him incredibly cynical.

I am cynical, but I have yet to reach those levels.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
12. Let me guess...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:34 PM
Mar 2014

He was somehow connected to the State Department or the National Security apparatus. That would anyone cynical as hell.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
17. Double ouch.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:42 PM
Mar 2014

I used the idolize the CIA when I was younger. They were fighting the dirty, Godless, Athestic, Commies bent on World Domination™....., Kill A Commie for Mommy, all that type of crap. I vividly remember the NSA having recruiting ads in the Daily Texas back in the 1975-1977 time frame, and thought they were "cool". Now, I am utterly disgusted with both agencies.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. He retired in the 70s
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
Mar 2014

and he had his PhD paid by uncle sam, a couple actually.

It was a pleasure taking courses with him, because he understood political systems better than most.

He also liked foreign students best, because we did not have those blinders that had to be removed. I remember the first day of the Comparative Governments Class, this young Republican challenged him on the assignment of Lenin's works and Mao's little red book. After the kid had his say, he offered to take him to the ROTC commander, and get him a free ticket into uncle Sam's army. That was my first exposure to chickenhawks.

Mind you, I was on the left of him, still am, and he was very much to the right of center, yet also to the point of doubting voting even worked.

I have always wondered what happened to him?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Economic sanctions. Freeze the assets of anyone connected to the Russian Govt.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:29 PM
Mar 2014

Whatever we can do to inconvenience Putin and co. as much as possible without actually going to war.

MineralMan

(151,454 posts)
15. I don't deal with them at all. How about you?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Mar 2014

I leave that to those in power, like the President and State Department. I doubt anyone would listen to me on the subject.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. Turn on the freezer; it's time for a cold war.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Mar 2014

Hey baby, the MIC has great solutions for sale!

We've been wanting NASA's budget to grow, and now it will as it gets back to it's role as cover for space wars.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
22. That is literally the most ignorant thing I've read today.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

And I just got done perusing the yokels at Free Republic.

The money spent at NASA is literally responsible for much of the high tech and economic prosperity we enjoy today.

It was the best investment we ever had by generating $7 in value for every $1 we invested. It's not that expensive either- Just .5% of the federal budget would fully fund all of NASA's projects.

We had a fully functional heavy booster prototype to ensure we could maintain our independence in the space race.

But the administration decided it would be better to scrap the Aries rocket and instead pay the Russians $71 million dollars per astronaut we send to space.

All because the particular county NASA resides in isn't a Dem stronghold.

Or maybe the Wallstreet money wasn't enough and he needed private space money, too (which is cool but shouldn't diminish government investment in space).

I'm just hoping we can get a Dem in who values American industry and exploration in the long term for 2016.


Tommy_Carcetti

(44,567 posts)
20. Might makes right.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
Mar 2014

It's the sad truth that's pretty much rang true since human civilization began.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
23. In the Case of China, you ship tens of thousands of jobs to China
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:53 PM
Mar 2014

you borrow eight-hundred million dollars a week to pay for the Afghan War...Godless damn communists!

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