Did the USA face sanctions for illegally invading Iraq?

[quinnox]

Funny, because I don't remember any...

[Fumesucker]

1. That was different

Saddam had hidden WMDs under the Oval Office rug..

[JimDandy]

2. Yup, the hypocrisy is THAT blatant. n/t

[quinnox]

10. Glad I'm not the only one that sees it

[baldguy]

3. No, but we SHOULD have.

[1000words]

4. There was some talk about dropping the petrodollar

Oh, right ... that was just before "shock and awe." Funny, that ...

[cthulu2016]

5. What is the point in this line of discussion?

Are you arguing that Russia should not because we didn't, or are you arguing nothing at all?

[quinnox]

9. Just asking a question

And what is wrong with reflecting on recent history? I think it means something. I think I may start talking about the Iraq war and the USA more, its important to be reminded of this, I feel. It was only 10 years ago, that is a blink of the eye in history terms.

[jazzimov]

35. "Just asking a question". Yeah, right.

We have a different government now. Or do you think the sins of the fathers should be visited on the sons?

[davekriss]

32. It does make listening to John Kerry argue the moral high ground hilarious

The rest of the world thinks so, too. This loss of moral positioning weakens our position in the world today and is a DIRECT RESULT of the war criminals that occupied the White House prior to Obama. Good ol' GWB and Cheney and Rumsfeld et al. - heck of a job there, guys!!

[malaise]

6. Of course not

Only brown people were blown up - except of course for the military.
Bush, Cheney et al should have been locked up for war crimes but the West never commits war crimes - those freedom and democracy bombs just kill those who deserve to die.

[L0oniX]

7. We are exceptional.

[Whisp]

21. That was an exceptionally evil pack of neocons that invaded Iraq

with more than enough idiot stupid dumbfuck Dems that went along with the crime.

Basing the whole rest of ones life on the crimes of these people and transferring those crimes to all future admins is kinda evil in it's own way

[LiberalAndProud]

30. Yes. But the fact remains that our leaders ran amok and there was no international response.

One can argue that there should have been, but there wasn't.

[Downwinder]

8. No, but our economy went in the toilet.

[ProSense]

11. Well,

"Did the USA face sanctions for illegally invading Iraq?"

...two wrongs don't make a right. Besides the sanctions are: Weak! A joke! Russians are laughing!

Londongrad Dealmakers Face Sanctions Hit After $180 Billion Boom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024680947

[Jefferson23]

12. Technically we did not go about it as brazen as Putin..please do not misunderstand me.

I am not defending Iraq..but we did not annex Iraq.

We destroyed it, true..made a hell hole, but there are differences.


We should have Bush/Cheney/Yoo and Addington at the ICC..but that is another story.

[grahamhgreen]

13. How do you think the vote to join the US would have gone down?

[Jefferson23]

15. ha ha, probably not very well but good question.

My point was I don't believe Putin gets exonerated by our own miserable foreign policies,
there are important distinctions.

[grahamhgreen]

25. Agreed. But our boys and girls have proven they are usually wrong. So I choose the least expensive

option - stay out of it

[Jefferson23]

29. Oh I hope we do the smart thing..but we'll be a player on some level.

You know and I know our history.

[LisaL]

16. Really?

Did Putin bomb anyone? Were there any actual fighting going on?

[Jefferson23]

17. One of the many distinctions is that we did not annex Iraq..that is important.

I am by no means defending Iraq...not in any manner.

[grahamhgreen]

26. No, we just annexed their oil fields.

"Prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, US and other western oil companies were all but completely shut out of Iraq's oil market," oil industry analyst Antonia Juhasz told Al Jazeera. "But thanks to the invasion and occupation, the companies are now back inside Iraq and producing oil there for the first time since being forced out of the country in 1973."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html

[Jefferson23]

28. There are distinctions..and they do not amount to excuses for our horrific actions..sorry. n./t

[cheapdate]

38. Technically, Russia didn't annex Crimea either.

They supported one side in a political dispute. The US and the west supported the other side. Leaving aside questions of the legality or propriety of the referendum, the people of Crimea voted to become an independent, sovereign nation.

[Jefferson23]

39. I think that's a stretch, considering his first moves and the control he will end up with.

[GeorgeGist]

14. No, but they should have.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. The sanctions the US stated today were against individuals.

From what I have heard, Bush, Cheney and members of that administration have limited travel to certain places due to their legal status in those places. That's pretty much what happened to some Russians and Ukrainians today.

[madinmaryland]

19. IOKIYAR.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. It should've. nt

[treestar]

22. Still the Russians should face sanctions

for invading Ukraine. At least we were fooled into thinking Saddam had WMD. Wrong, but it was the idea. Russia has nothing.

[quinnox]

46. "we were fooled about WMD" Really? Not me, and not millions of others.

I wasn't fooled for a moment back then, and neither were millions of Americans who demonstrated against it.

[nationalize the fed]

50. + millions. Truth.

[treestar]

58. Well as a country we were and that was the excuse

and there were people who fervently believed it and their partisan had the WH. The Russians just blatantly are in there without any such threat to themselves.

[steve2470]

23. there was all this UN activity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_actions_regarding_Iraq

I don't remember any sanctions either. I'm really surprised there. I'm looking for any formal UN condemnation of the US.

[davidn3600]

24. Technically it wasn't illegal because they had approval from the security council

Yes it was under lies and false pretenses, but the US did get approval.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

31. Kind of yes. Kind of no. Mostly no.

Bush twisted an interpretation of a previous Security Council sanction against Iraq into the "permission" he needed, however it was blatantly clear that most nations (including members of the security council) didn't agree with his strained interpretation.

What is true, however, is that unlike the Ukrainians, Saddam's regime was in the habit of committing genocide against its own people. So very few people, even the people saying that Bush didn't have the right to do what he did, were defending Saddam. Putin doesn't even have that to hang his cloak on.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[reformist2]

27. Wow, we actually have people defending the US invasion of Iraq here???

[think]

34. Scary isn't it.....

[Rex]

42. Sad ain't it?

Can you believe we have Bush defenders here? Don't really know how they survived this long on a liberal forum.

[jeff47]

45. Nope. There are people pointing out history actually happened.

Even when that history isn't something we like.

The US got permission from the UN. We lied to get it. The people who did so should be in prison. But we got approval first.

Putin should have had the Crimeans formally ask him to send troops before he sent the troops. Then he'd have a similar fig leaf.

[joeglow3]

54. Who defended it?

[cheapdate]

33. Who exactly would sanction the US? Our allies?

Developing nations? I think more countries probably need our money, business and trade more than we need theirs. Some countries did in fact take actions to hold US officials responsible for war crimes. Even some western countries (Spain or Italy I think charged Donald Rumsfeld with crimes.)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. you forgot, where hundreds of thousands got killed and where the whole

fucking thing was based on bullshit to begin with

[Bonobo]

37. Putin lover!!!! Go back to Russia!

Is about the level of response I have come to expect.

[rhett o rick]

40. No silly, because we were on the side of goodness. nm

[LisaL]

43. Aren't we always.

[rhett o rick]

55. By definition. nm

[jeff47]

44. Remember Powell's UN performance?

We got permission from the UN before invading.

Sure, we lied to get it, but we still got it.

[KittyWampus]

47. What an incredibly low standard some DU'ers have if the Bush years are to guide

their opinions on what is "right or wrong".

[NCTraveler]

48. Not in the normal sense of the word.

I think the argument can be made that the citizens of the US faces sanctions of our own government over Iraq. We paid an extremely heavy price.

[geek tragedy]

49. no formal sanctions, just a destroyed economy, thousands dead and tens of thousands

grievously wounded, and our international standing at an all time low and our enemies having been strengthened by it

[MADem]

51. Why do you think that's "funny?"

There's nothing funny about that mess.

It wasn't funny when Bush did it, it's not funny when Pootie, his soulmate, does it either.

And two wrongs don't EVER make a right.

I'd be interested in hearing what your point is, here.

[JoePhilly]

52. America sucks is the point I think.

The far right thinks America can do no wrong (aka, American Exceptionalism), and some on the left think the US does nothing right (aka, America Sucks).

[LanternWaste]

53. Clever rationale for an additional Anschluss.

Clever rationale for an additional Anschluss.

And I can certainly understand that many people find things such as that 'funny.'

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. american exceptionalism does not allow for that kinda nonsense. nt

[hack89]

57. Do we have to use Bush as our model of acceptable behavior? nt

[Niceguy1]

59. its legality had not been adjudicated.

And dont forget we weren't the only ones....


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