Woman who made false rape report no longer a student: Lindenwood University

[unreadierLizard]

Last edited Wed Mar 19, 2014, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/woman-who-made-false-report-no-longer-a-student-lindenwood/article_dfbad566-ae4f-5649-b554-70c3896ff225.html

ST. CHARLES • A 21-year-old student who falsely reported two weeks ago that she had been assaulted on the campus of Lindenwood University has been dismissed by the school.

In a press release sent out by the school Monday afternoon, President Jim Evans said Lindenwood had zero tolerance for actions like hers.

“Lindenwood is a safe campus, and we will be steadfast in our efforts to remove those who commit such crimes and mislead our student population, our faculty, and our staff, ” he said.

EDIT: So, I say that someone making up a rape story is a vile person and deserving of contempt and now I'm an MRA. Thanks, guys.

[geek tragedy]

1. oh christ, here we go again.

No, perjury and lying to police is not as bad as rape.

False rape reports are several scales of magnitude smaller as a problem than rape is

Fuck.

[Ohio Joe]

5. Not to the MRA's

They ignore the facts and make certain every last instance of false rape is posted over and over again, doing their best to make it out to be a far larger problem then rapes... Imagine what GD would look like if that was done for all the rapes were posted.

[geek tragedy]

6. and then they get all emo when they get treated as the non-allies they are. nt

[Skittles]

17. who gives a fuck about those infantile little pissants?

put 'em on ignore

[Logical]

10. Oh, FFS, how about agreeing both are terrible! nt

[geek tragedy]

15. I recognize MRA dog whistles when they are blown

and one of their favorites is that "women who lie about rape are just as bad as rapists"

One doesn't see that kind of comment--or concern--about false reports regarding any other crime. Not robbery, not fraud, not murder, not burglary, not assault, not attempted murder, not muggings, not the "knockout game", etc.

Wait, I forgot one.

They also say it about domestic violence.

Hmmm.

[joeglow3]

79. Where did they say it was as bad as rape?

[JTFrog]

122. In the edit history:

Good. People who make up stories about rape are just as bad as actual rapists themselves - and they do a disservice to real rape victims.

[joeglow3]

132. I stand corrected.

I don't think it is as bas as rape. However, it is still a terrible thing that does a huge disservice to rape victims.

[Gravitycollapse]

29. Making a false rape accusation can ruin lives. It may not be as bad as rape...

But it is undoubtedly a terrible thing to do with potentially horrific consequences.

[geek tragedy]

35. Undoubtedly. nt

[nomorenomore08]

49. Of course. We all know that. But apparently if you don't go around shouting that false accusations

are like, worse than the Holocaust, then to some, that means you want to throw innocent young men in jail...

[liberalhistorian]

151. Thank you! My son's life was damn near

ruined by one of these liars who was angry with him for stupid juvenile reasons and who knew that a claim of rape or abuse is almost automatically believed nowadays. Even after she recanted and admitted she'd made up the whole thing to get back at him, it took years for him to get it straightened out and the charges expunged, even though they'd been dismissed. He couldn't get jobs, he was shunned, etc., etc., and if he'd gone to jail and had to register as a sex offender afterwards, even though he hadn't done anything, his life would have pretty much been ruined. It was beyond traumatizing for him and I'm still furious at the little bitch who thought nothing of playing with his life like that. I'm disgusted at the dismissive attitude many people have of such situations, it's as bad as those who don't believe any rape report and who think all women are lying.

That being said, I realize that such falsities are not common and are nowhere on the same scale as a rape, and that we still have a long way to go in changing the rape culture and in preventing both rape and the horrendously sexist attitudes about it that are all too common. As a child sex abuse survivor, I'm mindful of the toll to victims as well. However, false reports make it worse for both men and women; men, because their lives can be ruined and traumatized and if they're jailed when innocent they may never get out or get over it, and women because it makes it that much harder for genuine victims to be believed and helped and their rapists convicted and jailed, where they belong. As someone who formerly worked in the justice system, I know full well that there are more men than you'd like to think who were falsely convicted and jailed, and that is also wrong. The fact that rape is bad does not mean that false reports of rape that result in conviction and jail are not also bad, one does not cancel out the other.

[geek tragedy]

58. You're more likely to get struck by lightning than get jailed on a false rape accusation.

And, no, committing perjury is not as bad as raping someone.

[Demo_Chris]

69. Yes, lying about rape IS as bad to the victim of the lies...

One might have more victims, but let's not downplay the severity of the crime.

[geek tragedy]

70. Who was injured by this woman's statement? nt

[Demo_Chris]

72. She was, along with evey male in the area who remotely matched her description...

And every woman or man who is legitimately assaulted but doesn't report it thanks to incidents like this one.

[stevenleser]

147. What worries me in situations like this is, was it really false or did she decide she doesnt want to

deal with going through the whole investigation/prosecution thing which is traumatic for the victim.

I have always wondered about that with the stripper in the Duke Lacrosse rape saga. I have my real doubts about that one too. We really have no way of knowing. With victims reputations attacked like they are in our rape culture, I feel like every recantation is questionable.

[Vattel]

150. Did you notice that that stripper has now been convicted of second degree murder?

You are right that we have no way of knowing for sure, but my guess would be that her original story was BS.

[stevenleser]

154. I saw that. I really don't think one has anything to do with the other.

If you think about it, if the stats are that around 1 in 3 women will face some kind of attempted or completed sexual assault, the behavior of victims is going to run the entire gamut of human behavior.

[liberalhistorian]

152. Not every report of rape is true, no matter

how much you may automatically always believe women. Not everyone who is accused of rape is guilty, even if they're men who are privileged and wealthy. The stripper's story was pretty much proven to be bullshit and there's a reason why the prosecutor was disbarred and faced criminal charges, which he deserved. Automatically assuming that every single rape report is true no matter what is as bad as automatically assuming that all women are liars about rape no matter what.

[stevenleser]

156. I never said they were and I never said I automatically believe women.

I believe in presumption of innocence for the accused and I have said that on plenty of occasions where these things are discussed.

[nessa]

153. That kind of shows how damaging these false accusations can be...

Even after the accused is declared Innocent, not 'not guilty' but innocent. People will still look at those young men as if they are guilty.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript/index.html?iref=allsearch

"The result of our review and investigation shows clearly that there is insufficient evidence to proceed on any of the charges. Today we are filing notices of dismissal for all charges against Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans. The result is that these cases are over, and no more criminal proceedings will occur.

We believe that these cases were the result of a tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations. Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges.

Now, we approached this case with the understanding that rape and sexual assault victims often have some inconsistencies in their account of a traumatic event. However, in this case, the inconsistencies were so significant and so contrary to the evidence that we have no credible evidence that an attack occurred in that house on that night."

[stevenleser]

155. In the case of the instance in the OP, no specific person was fingered. So...

not sure this will be particularly damaging to anyone.

[Agschmid]

2. Pretty sure committing a rape is worse...

Crap OP, IMO.

[mythology]

3. Yeah, no it's not just as bad

They do a disservice to actual victims of sexual violence, but it's no where near as bad as actually being the victim of a sexual assault.

[bettyellen]

4. if you actually cared about rape victims, you would not pretend this is a more commmon thing

than lying about any other crime. Not interested in posting about that though, huh?

[davidn3600]

19. You are jumping to conclusions. Nowhere in the OP did it say it's a big problem.

But making a false police report is a crime, correct?

[bettyellen]

20. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he is falsely saying it's on par with rape

which is a load of horseshit.

[davidn3600]

30. Putting an innocent man in prison is a pretty fucked up thing to do though

Is it on par with rape? Not really. However, a person in prison is likely to experience violence and possibly rape as well....and no one seems to give a shit about prison rape either. America likes rape.

So maybe in that sense it is just as bad.

[bettyellen]

34. and it is incredibly rare that it happens. It didn't even happen in the OP, LOL....

I suppose it's just wishful thinking on the OP's part, huh?

[Luminous Animal]

33. And the OP is a big fucking lie. The woman (attending a Christian college) never claimed rape.

I, for one, believe her original complaint. And I believe that this Christian College (and her parents) forced her to recant.

And I believe she is now a target.

[davidn3600]

44. Oh wait a minute here.....

You are blasting everyone here for not following the facts of the story.. yet then you make a post about your own theory that has absolutely no factual basis?

[one_voice]

7. Would you please edit you OP and remove the last...

line of the article you posted.

It lists the address and that's against TOS.

[Logical]

13. Against TOS even if media reports it? nt

[Agschmid]

14. Yes I think it is, even if it is visible at the link.

However I am not admin so that's just IMO.

[one_voice]

16. Yes...

Respect people's privacy.

Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Logical]

18. That means address searches not news stories. And it names a block, not an address. nt

[geek tragedy]

21. No, it doesn't say that. It says "any"

Respect people's privacy.

Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

Nowhere does it distinguish or even mention different types of sources for that information.

It just says "any"

[Logical]

22. Then why is her name ok? That is private/personal information! nt

[geek tragedy]

24. Do you honestly not understand the difference between

posting the name of a person in a news story and revealing their name and where they live?

Honestly, that's something you just can't wrap your brain around? Too subtle or difficult to figure out for you?

For real?

[Logical]

25. Then why is the link to the news story ok? And it is not even her address! nt

[one_voice]

62. Actually on this...

I'm wondering if it's ok to link to the story. I'm a bit unclear.

The jury left it 3-3.

[MADem]

66. Skinner cleared this up in ATA--there's nothing wrong with quoting a newspaper.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595323#post1

Skinner (59,107 posts)
1. DU members can link to stories from the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

The intent of the "no private information" rule is so people won't go digging through public records. It's not so people can't link to news stories from legitimate sources.

Good thing the alert didn't succeed, I guess.

[Logical]

67. Thanks for this! n-t

[Logical]

68. See below, you were 100% wrong on this! Too subtle for you to figure out?? LOL

[geek tragedy]

71. Ya, oops, you got me. Egg on my face. nt

[AnalystInParadise]

8. MMMMM

I need a popcorn smilie

[pinboy3niner]

86. Or you could just use this graphic...

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. Not "just as bad"... but bad enough to prosecute. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

28. The woman never claimed rape. You are being lead by the nose. Read the link. Not one rape accusation

leveled,

[lumberjack_jeff]

36. She claimed to have been sexually assaulted.

On March 7, Newberry told St. Charles police that she had been attacked in the basement bathroom of Butler Library earlier that week. Newberry told police a man had been hiding in one of the stalls, came up behind her and attempted to remove her leggings.

The implication is strong that this wasn't simply an attempted stocking theft.

The distinction between "rape" and "sexual assault", depending on the circumstances, either seems vitally important or completely immaterial.

I'm unclear why someone would make a false claim such as this without naming a perpetrator - at least revenge is a rational motive. Abhorrent and shitty, but rational.

[Luminous Animal]

38. ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE STOCKINGS IS NOT RAPE. THE OP IS A LIE.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. Okee dokee. n/t

[one_voice]

11. Thank you. n/t

[redqueen]

73. Wow.

Sadly not all that surprising coming from you, but still... wow.

[one_voice]

84. WTF are you talking about?

I thanked him for removing the address. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4694656

I then asked Skinner what to do in this situation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595323

Could you please explain what your comment means?

Because for the life of me I can't figure it out.

[one_voice]

110. just a reminder...

cuz I deserve an answer.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4697458

When you slam someone, they have a right to know why.

Especially since this isn't the first time you've said some foul shit about me...and been wrong. You however don't like being reminded of that....what is it you call it...oh yes...nursing a grudge.

Exhibit A of why I 'nurse a grudge'. Now run tell that.

[redqueen]

111. "foul shit"

I didn't notice your name on your previous post, skimmed the post and subthread. This one by itself, just one comment in the subject line, stood out. Without the context of your previous post, it appeared you were thanking the OP for his post.

Mea fucking culpa.

Meanwhile, downthread, a poster is saying some ACTUAL "foul shit" to Vanilla Rhapsody but hey, the OP took out one line so what seems to be your only problem with this OP has been addressed.

[one_voice]

112. HA...

Not fucking accepted.

Unlike you I wasn't reading the thread, I only posted in it because there was an alert. I only answered those that responded to me.

Of course it stood out; when you're whole existence is GOTCHA shit. Maybe you SHOULD have take a few seconds to read the actual fucking thread instead of ASSuming the worst. But you didn't and once again you insult the shit out of a rape survivor via your first response and now this shit. You don't have a right to complain about grudges.

You can't accept responsibility for what you said and now you want to make me responsible for what happened up thread...fuck that noise. You have no idea what I find wrong in the thread. Again you ASSume.

So typical of you. YOU insulted me, not the other way around.

[redqueen]

114. " when you're whole existence is GOTCHA shit"

Fucksake are you for real? You're practically foaming at the mouth over my post to you but you have jack shit to say about the rest of the thread.

Yeah, no assumption necessary. Your priorities are quite obvious based on your posts and where your focus is, which is exactly why it was only mildly surprising to think you were thanking the OP.

[one_voice]

116. What part of I didn't read the thread...

don't you understand?

Yeah, I don't like what you said. This isn't the first time you did this.

My priorities? My focus? Do tell, since you seem to know so much about me. Please by all means, explain that. You threw it out there now back it up.


Not surprised you're still trying to make me responsible for what someone else said, while completely refusing to take responsibility for your words.

[redqueen]

117. " You threw it out there now back it up."

Hmmmm... your tactics sure do seem familiar.



Yeah, you didn't read it and you still don't give half a shit about it. Too busy focusing on me and my one post which has offended you so greatly.

[one_voice]

119. Ok...got it now...

You don't admit when you're wrong.

Funny you mentioned being offended. You seem very offended & focused on the fact that I didn't read the thread. You seem focused on making me responsible for what SOMEONE else said.

Funny that. You want to make me responsible for someone else's words, while you wont own yours.

You've once again exposed who you really are.

Have a nice day.


edited to add: I didn't ask you for links. I asked YOU to explain what you meant since YOU seemed to know me so well. Once again you used dishonest tactics.

[redqueen]

120. WTF are you talking about with this "making you responsible"crap?

Here, I'll spell it out:

There's all kinds of ugly, anti-woman shit being spewed in this thread, but your focus is on your own hurt fee fees.

I'm not about to do a research report documenting every time your priorities were... odd. Think whatever you want but don't get it twisted, I'm not "making you responsible" I'm simply observing your actions.

And now I really am done helping you make this thread All About You.

[one_voice]

121. Got it...

You make accusations then deny them. You make accusations you can't back up and lose the ability to use your 'grown up words'

You were a bit put off that I didn't say anything about nasties in the thread. YOU made it about me rather than being a decent person and just saying I was right and you read the thread wrong. You started out with insults.

You continued to hurl insults....and continued to insist I was wrong for not pointing out other things that were said in the thread----not to me. Children do that when they're in they're in the wrong too.


YOU were pissed I didn't read the thread and comment on other things that were said. The repetitive anger because I didn't address other things that were said in this thread---a thread I didn't read--things not said to me. YOU made it about me.

All I wanted was and explanation of what YOU said to ME. You said I was foaming at the mouth (in another comment)...here's your first response to me....need a napkin?

I didn't notice your name on your previous post, skimmed the post and subthread. This one by itself, just one comment in the subject line, stood out. Without the context of your previous post, it appeared you were thanking the OP for his post.

Mea fucking culpa.

Meanwhile, downthread, a poster is saying some ACTUAL "foul shit" to Vanilla Rhapsody but hey, the OP took out one line so what seems to be your only problem with this OP has been addressed.

That was your response. YOU had-- what did you call it?-- hurt fee fee cuz I dared asked you about YOUR comment to ME. That's all. You dragged the rest into.

Yeah, I'd run the fuck away too if I were you..

[redqueen]

123. OMG you cannot be for real.

Why is 'grown up words' in quotes?

I replied to you without using non-'grown-up-words'... you replied to me with spittle flicking curse words galore. I reply in kind and somehow that's worthy of more foaming at the mouth.

Yeah, I'm not running "the fuck away"... I'm backing away, very slowly.

Unreal

[one_voice]

124. Grown up words...

hurt fee fees.

you replied to me with spittle flicking curse words galore

My first two comments to you...


1st:

WTF are you talking about?
I thanked him for removing the address. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4694656

I then asked Skinner what to do in this situation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595323

Could you please explain what your comment means?

Because for the life of me I can't figure it out.

2nd:

just a reminder...

cuz I deserve an answer.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4697458

When you slam someone, they have a right to know why.

Especially since this isn't the first time you've said some foul shit about me...and been wrong. You however don't like being reminded of that....what is it you call it...oh yes...nursing a grudge.

Exhibit A of why I 'nurse a grudge'. Now run tell that.

one curse word between the two: shit.


Your first comment to me:

"foul shit"



I didn't notice your name on your previous post, skimmed the post and subthread. This one by itself, just one comment in the subject line, stood out. Without the context of your previous post, it appeared you were thanking the OP for his post.

Mea fucking culpa.

Meanwhile, downthread, a poster is saying some ACTUAL "foul shit" to Vanilla Rhapsody but hey, the OP took out one line so what seems to be your only problem with this OP has been addressed.

I guess you thought I should be grateful with : Mea fucking culpa.

Handing you a napkin as you back away, trying desperately not to trip over your hypocrisy, lies, and blatant attempt at deflection.

[redqueen]

125. Are you truly unaware of what "WTF" stands for?

This is sad now but if I assume it's just trolling bullshit it's almost funny.

Most people would just let it go if they didn't get an answer. But not you! You demand satisfaction!

So of course, you came back with the "foul shit" and all the usual drama. Of course.

I dropped one F bomb in my reply to your ANSWER MEEEEE post and then you're all WHARRGARBL!!!1!1!1!!



Whatever. Comprehension skills are a good thing. Maybe you should look into it.

[one_voice]

126. Did you just call me a troll?

Ya know just want to make sure. Comprehension and all.

Do you know what GFY stands for?

good. for. you.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. Right but you're giving the exceptions to disprove the rule. That's um, very very silly, no?

So 1 liar cancels out the fact that every 2 minutes a woman in the U.S. is raped? Nah-huh. You didn't really just try to do that, did you?

[Luminous Animal]

31. The woman never claimed rape. The OP's title is one big giant lie. Jeesh. There must be only 5-6

DUers left who click on links in order to make informed comments.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Indeed. A Christian College, and the parents who sent her there have no agenda.

Oh, by the way, she never claimed rape but rather, she claimed sexual assault.

[Token Republican]

26. It is just as bad and in some ways worse

For two reasons.

First is that false accusations undercut the credibility of real rape victims. Each false accusation means people are that much more likely to worry if the next accusation is true or not. The end result is false accusations mean more rapists get away with their crimes.

Second is the penalty for rape is pretty severe. A false claim can mean innocent people get locked up for a very, very long time.

Edit to add: The OP story was not about a false rape claim. The woman in the story didn't accuse anybody in particular so my comments really don't apply to this specific situation

[Luminous Animal]

32. SHE NEVER CLAIMED RAPE. CLICK ON THE LINK. NEVER ONCE SAID SHE WAS RAPED.

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. "...in some ways worse" than actual rape?

You've never been raped have you?

[Token Republican]

54. No I haven't

but people close to me have.

I've seen a rapist go unpunished because of the fear of his victim not being believed.

[JJChambers]

77. Absolutes suck

While I think a legitimate, violent and brutal rape is worse than this case, I also recognize that the real rape is worse because no one was seriously harmed by the false allegations of sexual assault (or attempted rape) that were made by the liar in this case. In a case where a false rape report results in an innocent person being incarcerated for months or years during pre-trial, and then if a conviction results based on the false report, the falsely accused can be imprisoned for years or, worse, forever! I would concur with those who say that false report of a rape, resulting in incarceration of the falsely accused, is just as bad, or worse, than a real rape.

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. this person never claimed to be raped....they claimed sexual assault...

it was a Christian school ....she later recanted. I do not trust that they didn't coerce this woman to recant because of that.

And NO it still doesn't equal rape....rape is a life sentence....the effects NEVER go away...so obviously you have never been raped either.

Those who have never BEEN Raped...should NEVER try to equate Rape to ANYTHING...YOU have no idea! Would you ever compare say the pain of Childbirth to anything else? NO you wouldn't....but somehow you feel YOU have the knowledge to compare rape!

Please just stop you are embarrassing yourself.

[pintobean]

83. Your theory is

they coerced her to lie because they are Christians?

Wow.

[JJChambers]

90. I've noticed that she becomes hysterical

As well as illogical when it comes to rape topics. I suspect she has been a victim of sexual assault in the past and is incapable of being rational about the topic. I try to view her comments in this light and it helps me not judge her harshly, even when she is being unreasonable or hysterical.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. Unreasonable? How dare you.....

do you also tell Black people how it feels to be Black? But somehow YOU know all about what "rape is like" and can make a false analogy...and then you have the nerve to belittle me???

[JJChambers]

99. Yes, unreasonable

Have you been falsely accused and then imprisoned for the remainder of your adult life, for a serious crime which you did not commit? Oh, you haven't? I guess you're incapable of offering an opinion.

Stupid, isn't it??

Take a step back and a deep breath. You ARE being unreasonable, illogical and hysterical.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. How can that EVER be related to RAPE?

EVER...

And now you call me stupid too? Shame on YOU!

[redqueen]

118. You've got a lot of nerve posting this vile misogynist shit.

I've noticed that she becomes hysterical

As well as illogical when it comes to rape topics. I suspect she has been a victim of sexual assault in the past and is incapable of being rational about the topic. I try to view her comments in this light and it helps me not judge her harshly, even when she is being unreasonable or hysterical.

Apparently a jury was fine with it. Lucky you.

[JJChambers]

127. Why wouldn't a jury be fine with it? nt

[mercuryblues]

158. because

I've noticed that you become hysterical

As well as illogical when it comes to the HoF topics. I suspect you have been a victim of certain accusations in the past and are incapable of being rational about the topic. I try to view your comments in this light and it helps me not judge you harshly, even when you are being unreasonable or hysterical.

[JJChambers]

159. A thought provoking, insightful and detailed response (nt)

[mercuryblues]

160. I would add

the original posting shows a hatred towards one's self due to years of being ignored and banished because of trying to project their abuses onto others that they know nothing about.

[Heddi]

129. you were alerted on, btw.

On Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You've got a lot of nerve posting this vile misogynist shit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4698843

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Call out and personal attack on a reasonable poster after a jury cleared that person'a reasonable post. This is bullying when a jury didn't cowtow to her illogical position.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:18 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it "bullying", but it is calling out another DUer--actually multiple DUers, if one includes the jury.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is offensive. Poster should not insult other DU poster or pretend to psychoanalyze her in a demeaning way by inventing background he knows nothing about!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously? why wasn't that original post hidden? Talk about offensive!

This, however, is a pathetic, petty alert. I don't even really like Redqueen but really, alerter? This is the second petty, vindictive, bullshit jury I've served on in 2 days. I love the jury system, and I love being a part of it. But alerts and alerters like this make DU and the jury systems suck. I hope the fact that RQ can be a very divisive poster doesn't lead other jurors to hiding this post because of their personal feelings about her. This is a garbage alert and I hope it's 6-0 so that way the alerter has to live with some punishment for making DU suck.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[tblue37]

131. I screwed up on my vote. I somehow got it into my head that I was voting on

the post RQ was quoting, and so I voted to hide it, and thus ended up *wrongly* voting against RQ's post. I think the post she was quoting SHOULD have been hidden, but I am glad my mistake didn't end up hiding RQ's wholly appropriate response to that post, which I found as offensive as she did.

[redqueen]

144. LOL, of course. nt

[tblue37]

130. I just screwed up on a jury for this post, RQ, and I am really

sorry! I voted to hide, but somehow I got it into my head that I was voting to hide that post you were quoting, NOT your post. I am a bit tired, but I should have been more careful. I take jury duty seriously, so this is the first time I have made such a stupid mistake. Fortunately, the results were in your favor despite my screw up. Sorry!.

[redqueen]

143. No reason to apologize, really.

It's a risk I took by quoting the vile misogynist shit. It says a lot that views like that, and behavior like that, are tolerated on this site.

[VanillaRhapsody]

93. You don't know much about "Christian Schools" do you?

Yeah...Wow...

[pintobean]

108. Yeah, I do.

I also know about Lindenwood. Your comment was pure bigotry.

[VanillaRhapsody]

109. bigotry to call Christian schools that?

hahahahahahahahahaha!

and Creationism is total fact! They would NEVER teach that!

Give me a break!

[JJChambers]

89. You didn't read the post apparently

I say that because I addressed the false sexual assault claim in this case, in which I agreed that real rape is more serious than this specific case.

Then I presented a scenario in which a false rape accusation resulting in incarceration of the accused is just as bad or worse than rape. Someone locked up for their whole life based on a false rape accusation suffers every day, just like the legitimate rape victim does. Maybe even more!

Please stop with the hysterics and read before you respond next time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

96. "real rape"?

hmmmmm whom have we heard use the "real rape" terminology?

SHE never claimed rape....she claimed "sexual assault"

YOU should be the one that should do some "reading". The hypocrisy is stunning...

[JJChambers]

97. Hysterical

1. Real rape, as in not made up rape
2. You keep bringing up this case and saying she reported a sexual assailt and not a rape; I understand that. In fact, I acknowledged that in my first post to which you so unreasonable objected.

The scenario I presented to you was about someone who had made a false rape allegation which resulted in the wrongful incarceration and then imprisonment of the falsely accused. I stated in THAT scenario, a false report of rape is as bad as, or worse than, real (not false) rape. I also states in the false sexual assault report from this case, that real rape is worse because no one was directly harmed by the false report.

You still haven't addressed this and I'm debating if it is because you don't want to acknowledge your irrational and unreasonable point of view or because you're so hysterical about this topic that you're incapable of actually reading.

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. Yep...that would be the same definition the Republicans would use...

I don't care if they serve 20 yrs in prison....still NOT the same as ACTUAL rape...sorry to disappoint you...RAPE repercussions are LIFELONG!

YOU cannot relate! You can never relate....

Do you also tell women when they are having false labor pains and real labor pains? Why not? Because you CANNOT relate. PERIOD

Hysteria has nothing to do with it.

(By the way you do realize the history of women and the word Hysterical don't you?)

[JJChambers]

101. Unreasonable insanity

I'm not saying being falsely imprisoned for 20 years is the same thing as rape. I'm saying it is as bad as, or worse than, rape.

Your post is very telling when you say that rape has lifelong consequences; but then implying that serving 20 years in prison for something you didn't do, doesn't have life long consequences.

False rape (or any crime for that matter) accusations that result in false imprisonment are just as bad as, or worse than, the crimes which the falsely accused was convicted.

You're being unreasonable. And I'm not going to cease using the word hysterical because of the history when it completely and accurately describes your behavior.

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. I dont care what YOU say is worse than rape...

You are wrong...you can NEVER know that....Want to know what one thing someone being raped thinks about? "Am I going to die when this is over?" Does life long PTSD compare to that?

Just stop putting your foot in your mouth...

[JJChambers]

105. Just stop

What do you think someone sitting in a prison for the rest of their life, after being accused and convicted of a rape that didn't happen, thinks every night? What kind of PTSD do you think that has on someone? NO ONE is saying a real rape isn't terrible and awful and horrible.

Someone (YOU) is saying that being imprisoned for decades, or forever, resulting from a false rape accusation, isn't as bad as a rape. I'm saying it is as bad as a rape.

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. YOU jumped into this discussion thinking you "had a point"

you go take a coffee break...

YOU have no skin in this...

[JJChambers]

113. I'm not the one being unreasonable and irrational; I'm capable of seeing more than one side (nt)

[VanillaRhapsody]

115. You have no business telling me I am either of those....

none...YOU entered this conversation...that's on YOU!

[JJChambers]

128. I'm trying to help you out of your box. You should thank me for helping you open your eyes.

Some of your comments are very insensitive.

[boston bean]

139. "Legitimate, violent and brutal rape"

WTF?

You sound just like Repug, Todd Aiken:

[Luminous Animal]

27. She never claimed rape. So, I say someone (YOU) making up a rape story is a vile person.

[Harmony Blue]

40. Justice has been served

there is nothing more to be said.

I am appalled that progressives would not be uniformly united by the fact that truth and justice prevailed.

[Luminous Animal]

41. I am appalled that progressives would take the claims of the OP at face value. The woman never

claimed rape. NOT ONCE. THE OP FLAT OUT LIES.

[Luminous Animal]

42. So looking forward to your next MRA lying ass post.

[redqueen]

75. +1

[hrmjustin]

43. You do realize the link you linked to does not say she claimed she was raped.

She claimed she was attacked.

[seabeyond]

45. you made up a totally bogus false title. what is that bullshit? that is the hieght of dishonest.

here. a little help for you. this is the title on the article

Woman who made false report no longer a student, Lindenwood officials say

this is the fuckin bogus title you fuckin totally made up....

Woman who made false rape report no longer a student: Lindenwood University

take note of the LIE you added into your fuckin title. so in our face dishonest. why would you do shit like that?

or is it a womans fault??? you added a lie to the title of the article?

[davidn3600]

46. She claimed the attacker was trying to take off her leggings

Are you suggesting an attacker just wanted the pants?

[seabeyond]

47. he CHANGED a headline. he ALTERED the headline. DISHONEST. that simple. it is a lie.

not telling the truth. not a tough one. argue all you want to justify a member lying in a headline just cause. it is WRONG.

Woman who made false report no longer a student, Lindenwood officials say

Woman who made false rape report no longer a student: Lindenwood University

[davidn3600]

48. But reading the article, you can understand why one would jump to that conclusion

And I don't think it's a rule to have the exact headline in the title in GD....only in LBN.

I see people putting different titles in GD constantly.

[seabeyond]

50. repeating, he added a LIE into the headline. get it? a LIE, into the headline to make it something

it is not. that would be a LIE.... added into a headline to distort from the truth.

a

lie

again... you really want to justify, excuse a lie because what... ????

lie....

[Violet_Crumble]

51. The article says she made a false report of sexual assault...

While she wasn't raped, she's pretty damn low for lying and claiming she was sexually assaulted when she wasn't.

[seabeyond]

61. fourth time? he CHANGED the titled. he LIED in the title with that change. yet...

you feel the need to justify a lie.

[redqueen]

76. "... you feel the need to justify a lie."

And this surprises you?

[seabeyond]

88. Nah. Just calling it. Hey redq.... Missing you here. Lots of fun and laughs. Nt

[Violet_Crumble]

104. I read it the first time. It'd help if you bothered reading what yr replying to...

Maybe I need to yell it in a mix of cap locks five times before you notice it? I said that the article said that she lied about being sexually assaulted, not raped. So what exactly do you think I'm justifying? The only thing I'm justifying is that people should read articles rather than take an OP title at face value.

Thanks for the gracious apology I'm sure will be coming anytime now...

[seabeyond]

134. i called him out for adding and lying about rape accusation. you chose my ass to jump on. and now

you think i should apologize to you.

[Violet_Crumble]

136. And yet again yr not bothering to read what yr replying to...

I wasn't aware that daring to reply to any post of yrs civilly is interpreted by you as 'you chose my ass to jump on'. Go back and read what I posted and then explain to me what the hell it was you claim I'm justifying. Then you'll understand why any decent person would apologise to me in this situation.

[seabeyond]

137. simple words VC. i called out the lie in the title. you ignore what i posted and lectured on

the article, ignoring what i replied to, the lie in the title. ALL i am talking about it the lie in the title. yet.... you have absolutely not a single issue addressing the lie in the Op. to ME... that is justifying, or validating, or excusing the LIE in the OP.

and still, third post, all i am talking about is the lie in the title, and you are still looking for something to be on my ass about.

not there VC. you will have to find another post to lecture me on.

[Violet_Crumble]

138. Yr still not reading what I said in my post. Try again...

Here's a link to the post where you falsely claimed I was jumping all over you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4695290

It's a civil reply that you seem to be trying to twist into something that just doesn't exist. Not even the most sensitive person in the world would call that a lecture or jumping all over them.

What I object to is you not bothering to read what I said and proceeding to make some bullshit claim about me justifying something and when I object, refuse to apologise. It's clear that you don't do apologies, let alone ever admit yr wrong, so unless yr going to continue to keep peddling a falsehood about what I said, we're done...

[seabeyond]

140. and you do not seem to get i do not give a shit about what you replied to me, seeing how you ignored

what i did care about, what i did reply to, in order to lecture me about the article.

the ONLY interest i have in this op, for the 8th time? is the poster added a lie into the title. discuss that, or your posts are irrelevant.

[Violet_Crumble]

141. If you don't give a shit what I replied, why are you making up stuff about it?

Yet again, how the hell do you take what I said and twist that into lecturing and jumping on yr arse? That's really severely twisting a polite and civil post and falsely turning it into something it's not.

I also wasn't aware that everyone must talk about what you demand they talk about in a thread. I guess I learn something every day...

[seabeyond]

142. you ignore a LIE to tell me how bad the girl is and what she did. i am not talking about the girl.

i am talking about a lie in the OP. you continue to ignore the LIE to demand i apologize to you.

amazing.

later VC. will be interesting the next post of mine you feel the need to stand up to.

[Violet_Crumble]

145. Clearly you didn't read my post because I didn't ignore it...

Try reading it. This time I'll repost it so you can stop making false claims about it:

The article says she made a false report of sexual assault...


While she wasn't raped, she's pretty damn low for lying and claiming she was sexually assaulted when she wasn't.

1. I acknowledged that she hadn't claimed she was raped
2. No lecture in that at all
3. No jumping on yr arse in that post
4. The one thing you did get right is that I think it's low to make false claims of sexual assault. I would have thought you'd have agreed on that.
5. If you don't want to talk about the article itself, then run free and do yr thing, but don't demand that everyone else must not talk about it either.

[MineralMan]

95. The jury said this:

I'm one of the no comment votes to LEAVE IT.

On Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

you made up a totally bogus false title. what is that bullshit? that is the hieght of dishonest.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4695205

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling another DUer a liar is rude and over the top. If you disagree with how the article should be presented do it without calling someone a liar.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the person who alerted. Calling the poster a liar and just the whole tone of the post is disruptive and ver the top.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I disagree with the alerter - the title is a lie and I don't have a problem with calling out stuff like this.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP did change the article title (to make it more inflammatory), so he is, in essence, a liar.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[seabeyond]

135. lying in a title is ok. calling out the lie ..... jury it. thanks MM. nt

[MadrasT]

52. Dishonest OP.

The article does not say she made up a rape story. She did not claim she was raped.

This is MRA bullshit and does not belong here. Disgusting.

[Inkfreak]

53. Well. This thread is going well.

It has all the ingredients one could ask for when making a shit sandwich.

[gollygee]

55. This isn't about a false rape report, and she didn't accuse any specific person either, did she?

She said someone or another attacked her in a bathroom and tried to remove her leggings.

[Sheldon Cooper]

56. So, unreadierLizard, are you going to come back to your thread and apologize

for knowingly posting a lie? Are you big enough to do that, or are you just content with shit-stirring? Which is it?

[Iggo]

59. That's dishonest.

Low.

(EDIT: Yep, someone made up a rape story alright.)

[SQUEE]

60. If only..

Someone that " made false rape report " was no longer a member of DU.

All appologists and enablors of rape should be immediatly Tombstoned.

[In_The_Wind]

63. "All appologists and enablors of rape should be immediatly Tombstoned."

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. The actual headline reads "Woman who made false report no longer..."

a student: Lindenwood Officials Say"

Why would you add "rape" to that when it isn't true?

[Iggo]

65. A.Gen.Da.

[South_Street]

78. Good...

[redqueen]

80. She allegedly made up a story about sexual assault (which is NOT THE SAME THING AS RAPE

FUCKING DUH) and gets kicked out of school.

Rapists actually rape people, and they are punished by paying a $75 fine, a suspension, and writing an essay.

Nope, no such thing as rape culture. No siree.

[gollygee]

91. Yeah

too bad rapists don't get kicked out of school.

[pintobean]

81. Another big story in St. Louis

is a bunch of attempted child abductions. What if one or more of the children are making it up; would that be as bad as being abducted?

[Feral Child]

85. Obvious flamebait

and factually untrue.

What's wrong with you?

[mercuryblues]

87. no

that is not what you actually said.

I think you are quite proud of yourself for advancing mistruths, at best. Your headline claims she was raped, when her actual police report does not make that claim. You then make another claim and when called out on it, you edited it into snark to make yourself the victim. But you did not stop there. Your edit implies you said something different than what you actually said. Why? What is in it for you to make lies up over one story?

My kid's freshman year in college a girl made up a story about being mugged while she was out jogging. Nowhere was it ever implied that by her making up the story, it was as bad as being a mugger. Do you think the next time a mugging victim went to the police, they were not believed? No that honor is only saved for rape victims.

[MineralMan]

92. There was no rape. She reported no rape.

It was a false report of a lesser sexual assault, not rape. That's clear in the story at the link. Rape was not in the title of the linked story. It appears you added it, despite the fact that there was no rape reported at all.

Not good.

[Squinch]

102. No false rape report in the case you use to prove your point about false rape reports... Hmm...

Seems there is no point to this whatsoever.

If the shoe fits...

[d_b]

106. Good

What a piece of shit

[Le Taz Hot]

133. Hello!

Hit and run. Remember the name, remember the MO and don't feed the trolls.

[mercuryblues]

146. I read

a story today about 2 girls sending in a false bomb threat to their school. Are they as bad as a real bomber?

[mzteris]

148. oh yeah, she just totally

made it up and changed her mind. uh-huh.

Could happen. maybe she has mental health issues.

I wonder how many "retracted" allegations this "christian" school has had over the years? Because, you know, if you're a good christian woman, that would NEVER happen if you were being acting dressing christianly. It would totally be your fault so reportint it is as good as announcing what a sinning slut you are.

And I wonder how many assaults go unreported altogether. It's prevalent in all of society. College girls are especially pressured to recant. "Christian" schools? Please. They would never allow a report to validated.


.

[Texasgal]

149. If this story would have been

true and a young women was raped it would sunk like a stone.

[Kurovski]

157. I doubt that

Some troll--or sockpuppet- would have said some stupid insensitive shit about rape and then the same/similar fights would commence. And from that some of the combatants, serious and non, would made assumptions, misstatements and attacks left, right and center.

And then there would be one person saying everyone on DU loves the rape culture while the other would be saying DU hated the mens volk, etc.