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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy Girlfriend will get her meds. And all without my calling out the man who made it happen.
Imagine that.
Three years ago a woman was helped without crying bloody murder.
I did some research on her behalf. I found solutions. Obama's efforts gave her coverage.
Time will tell...
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Autumn
(48,961 posts)that is awesome!!!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)But many in this thread seem to be concerned with something else.
http://www.chcf.org/publications/2013/12/californias-uninsured
California had the greatest number of uninsured residents of any state, seven million, and the seventh largest percentage of uninsured under 65 in the country. Many of the state's uninsured are employed, however the percentage of residents who receive coverage through their jobs has declined dramatically, dropping from 63% in 1988 to 54% in 2012. While public insurance has mostly offset this gap, one in five remains uninsured.
With the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (ACA), the numbers of uninsured residents in California will be reduced, although a significant number will be left behind.*
California's Uninsured: By the Numbers provides a look at California's uninsured population before full implementation of the ACA.
http://www.chcf.org/publications/2013/12/californias-uninsured
Whisp
(24,096 posts)
I mean if you don't beat your chest and have veins pumping in your temples you can't really say you did the right thing.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Disrupters
freshwest
(53,661 posts)President Obama Makes Surprise Call To Gail O'Brien
Uploaded on Sep 22, 2010
President Obama made a surprise call yesterday to Gail O'Brien, a woman in Keene, NH, who is benefiting from the Affordable Care Act, which was passed six months ago today. Gail was previously uninsured and diagnosed with high grade non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Thanks to the new law, Gail now has insurance through the new Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan that will pay for her treatments, and she is responding very well.
That was September 2010 before the midterms. Want to talk about conspiracy? What was on the air the entire year?
The Tea Party and their astroturf protests about the horrors of the ACA and Death Panels, etc. is what all the cable networks went with instead of telling the truth, giving Americans some information they could use.
The 2010 elections were a set up from the Koch brothers to lie about the ACA, fast track Keystone and keep the Bush tax cuts in force. That led to the Sequester and all the rest. We are still fighting the lies about Obama and Obamacare after all of this time.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110219820
ProSense
(116,464 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Damn it was a feel good kind of thing. It works. It really does.
Thanks freshwest.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but it just makes me more angry toward anyone who would call the person responsible for making these lives better and healthier, a piece of shit.
jesus. That kind of Ted Nugent vomit is not only allowed here, but cheered.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)If called on it, abusers simply go into full bully mode. And strangely, those who object to the performance continuing are called authoritarians in some circles. That's rich. Reminds me of:
I don't regard resistance to a bully an act of an authoritarian type of style or personality, but simply pointing it produces more outrage from the bully.
Having dealt with such in real life, I just say 'Meh' and leave them to stew in their childish routine. And take everything they say after detecting their problem with a shaker of salt. They won't want to talk to the resisters, but only those who are part of their crew. No great loss not being patted on the head by a bully, IMO.
And those facts about the ACA have been explained for years, but some refuse to listen to anything but themselve. There is little point exchanging facts, opinions or data with such.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)thanks for posting. 
Sid
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)No small number of people here seem to think that ACA didn't happen until this year.
I have to restrain myself and my urges to call people names over it.
In the end it's a problem of ignorance.
Progressives and their ignorance of facts and willingness to believe bullshit.
It's really disturbing.
Thank you for this reply.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)You would think they took it personal! 
pintobean
(18,101 posts) Rex
(65,616 posts) DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's his personality type. People with the kind of character he possesses hide behind Internet anonymity, hide in protected MIRT forums, that sort of thing. And of course if he said that kind of thing personally to very many people, he'd learn viscerally that his words were ill-advised. More questions?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)some type of certification to practice internet pseudo psychology?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)But if it's me, there are a significant number of well-respected members of this community that know me in real life.
For what it's worth.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yup... we often believe those who do share our belief need to "shut the fuck up", while those who share our belief are fully justified in advertising those beliefs as loudly as possible...
And I'm sure the most wise among us will rationalize a distinction without a difference as to why we hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.
Cool story.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Maybe you don't get out much...
1000words
(7,051 posts)Bro.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)
pacalo
(24,857 posts)Will's mom and my mom also had great coverage...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4701351
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This guy might be drunk. The OP was a call out minus the name. I guess that wasn't enough now he brings him and his mother in to it.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole thing never should have happened.. and now there's all kinds of threads springing up in response. People are understandably protective of their health coverage.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: My first impression matched the alert: I think NYC is posting under the influence. Threads like this are no better than the divisive, poisonous ones that permeated the old Meta forum. This particular post is highly disrespectful of Will's mother and is out of line. Also, it's distasteful that the OP has no regard or empathy for Will's wife's needs in coping with MS.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, name attached.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What am I missing here? I know it is late, but jeez, this went way over my head. How is a commercial insulting?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
I was juror #3.
Skittles
(171,704 posts)
lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)demonstrated the weakness in the jury system.
There were rules of conduct where not only was it not allowed to call a fellow DUer out personally, but also not to denigrate a Democratic President with the verbal assaults that were used.
Criticism was always allowed of our Democratic representatives and President, but never in the over the top way that was done.
So now, at least as it relates to this issue, the jury system is now tit for tat.
The call out of the President was fine. The way it was done was disgraceful, and should have never been allowed.
So once pandora's box was open, this is what happens.
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #7)
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treestar
(82,383 posts)that I would not have been able to afford. Mainly preventative, but it was nice to have it done rather than worry about possible side effects. I'm not supposed to think I count however, I guess. 
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Yes you do.
treestar
(82,383 posts) 
steve2470
(37,481 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:36 AM - Edit history (1)
Social Security 2014 wasn't made in a day. Neither will single payer. Hopefully within 5, 10 years we will have it. Let's hope.
eta: I edited this post and deleted another one. I genuinely have empathy for all who suffer from lack of adequate healthcare. It's horrible. I'm one of the lucky ones.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)steve2470
(37,481 posts)1- The Republicans and Blue Dogs fucked us over in 2009. ACA was the best that could be squeaked through Congress.
2- Some of the problems with ACA are in single payer as well
3- Republican governors have blocked Medicaid in many states.
I have compassion for WillPitt and others like him. Their situation truly sucks. The law needs to be improved...but....we have to get the Blue Dogs to vote with us, because the Republicans damn sure won't. We need to channel anger into GOTV and campaigning for single payer/Medicare for All.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and shown you have a blatant preference for proof where it came short. And don't want to hear about where it did well. May as well take up a Faux Noise job.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... the ACA doesn't provide a solution.
Those situations where the ACA has made a huge difference, like in the case of my niece who had cancer at two, and who is now 17 and fully covered with no cancer as pre-existing condition for the first time in her life .... now covered for the kidney stones she's suffered with uncovered with since she was about eight ... those anecdotes don't count.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)How dare your niece get health coverage when there are still people who are without.
Oh, and your niece is a greedy Randian bastard, too.
for the delicate flowers who might believe I really think Joe and his niece are greedy Randian bastards.
Sid
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... you saw the post where some one actually did call me that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Why would you mock people who cannot get they HC they need? Would learning the fact that tens of thousands of Americans die each year due to lack of HC cause you to refrain from mocking people who will continue to die due to a lack of access to HC?
And please provide some links to DUers on this forum who have ever been angry because someone does have access to HC. That IS what you are claiming isn't it? That is a claim that definitely requires proof.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And for some, especially the Health Insurance Corps, that is worthy of mockery. Dead people don't cut into profits for them. There is something deeply disturbing about that.
Keep on truckin' Sid, your presence here serves as a huge incentive to end the obscene for-profit system of Health Insurance that has been foisted on this country for far too long. You probably have no idea of how valuable you are to that fight.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And I always try to play this one when flying, during take-off!
Big plane, or small, pulling out and accelerating.... Full thrust!
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)and his instructor has been making him learn Jimmy Page. Not a bad guitar player to emulate.
I get to hear Black Dog, and Whole Lotta Love and The Ocean and more all the time.
Seemed an appropriate time to post the song, as a reply to a particularly long-winded poster. Never have there been so many words posted, and yet so little actually said.
Sid
Whisp
(24,096 posts)If I ever heard this version I have forgotten it!
Love them, my favorite musical group for the genre, maybe overall.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)is the one that properly re-introduced me into their talents. She was so crazy for their music for quite a while and good thing! She learned me proper.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)There is beauty in it all.
I am not sure of what my favourite is, but I am still stuck in and love the 90s. I had good friends who expanded my menu from what my radio told me was music. And I had 'my' new internet to explore. It was a whole new wonderful frontier.
One of my first best discoveries, with help, was Enigma. Gawd I spun this thing as much as the moon spun around us all.
I love it all. I would rather go blind that lose my hearing. maybe.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)
Sid
Whisp
(24,096 posts)nice header for a Rambler. 
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)an old guy up the street had one of those. He parked it on the street so his wife could park her newer car in the driveway. One day, he went out with a can of pink paint and a brush and started painting it. It took him a few days, but he ended up with a pink rambler. It was a pretty good job, considering it was done with a brush.
Just a weird memory that that ad tripped.
Anyway... the wagons are better, since they can hold a lot more rambling.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They couldn't get it before.
Rather than trash the ACA, argue for more. How are you going to even have a chance at that? A Democratic Congress and President.
Rather than going over and over how Obama allegedly could have gotten a single payer system out of the 111th Congress, which ship has sailed, and will not be done over, start campaigning for single payer, using these stories.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The Rands approve.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
ProSense
(116,464 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)You're the one who basically said millions of people who benefit from Obamacare aren't getting any sympathy from critics. Why do they need sympathy?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Any room for compassion for the millions who don't?"
...yes. People are suffering without access to Obamacare because Republicans being assholes. Should someone warn them to stay away because Obamacare will cause them harm?
ACA Tide Turns: Protesters Arrested In GA, GOPer Schools Scottie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024695722
Whisp
(24,096 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and a best selling author could have afforded it anyway.
And every failure is to result in fuck Obama? Fuck FDR and LBJ. They didn't even get the ACA in the first place. Where's the fuck Clinton? Imagine the number of people who didn't get meds up to now.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"He had to go outside of Obamacare. He had to appeal to the drug company."
What did Obamacare have to do with it?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)What is your point? The Drug Corps have always done this. But only on a temporary basis. What happens when that supply runs out? Ever been in that situation? We have. It's frightening. Still is when you love someone who will die without the medications that keep them alive.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)He could have done that BEFORE the ACA. We did with the help of the doctor for my MIL. What is your point? The Drug Corps have always done this. But only on a temporary basis.
You mean Obama didn't stop them? What about the secret meetings? Didn't he tell the drug companies to screw people over? Also, why would they have been doing this "BEFORE the ACA" if Obamacare created the situation that led to this?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and now the Pharma is the good guy that helps and Obama in now the lonely evil one?
omg, there aren't enough LOLs in the world.
treestar
(82,383 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)They didn't have to pay because they didn't need to keep her as a customer.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and yet this big drug company relented on something they could have made money from.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and any administration before.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Had some one suggested that the ACA would resolve every problem in our medical system?
I don't recall that.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)In the absence of price controls and reasonable patent terms, this shit is going to happen. Single payer, Public option, Obamacare or not.
So long as public or private insurance companies are being asked to spend $5000 a month on a drug, they're going to ask questions and push back.
I think the supreme irony is the implication throughout these threads that the drug company's charity and heroism deserves the credit for solving the problem. 
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)His wife has her meds and now he has time to work the rest of out.
Just like all of us have to do.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)While in other nations, they never have to add this stress to their already stressful lives.
But we have become so used to this we don't see how horrificly inhumane it is. Well some of us don't see it.
I remember how hard the Right Wing fought to try to demonize the socialist countries in Europe where no one ever had to worry about being sick.
Funny how things have changed and we on the Left are defending a system that puts this kind of stress on sick people. Sad, really sad. The Corps have won, for now. All we are, are commodities. Sick people? Great, PROFITS!
Have you ever lived in a country where this would NEVER happen? Where PEOPLE are a priority? Not Profits?
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)What other nation has not a care in the world? What nation is utopia?
Nice talking to you, gotta go.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)44,000 Americans a year have died since 9/11. That is what I call a dark cloud, when I am in a good mood.
People will continue to die for lack of access to medical care.
Sorry to burden you with such trivia.
Happy to be the dark cloud or any other kind of cloud that keeps reminding people that human beings are and will die for lack of access to HC, a right in most civilized nations.
I have lived in a country where no one ever had to worry about getting the HC they needed. Maybe it should be a requirement for all Americans to spend some time in places were people really do matter. It tends to change your expectations.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)I would love to do some research. Maybe I will move there.
If it is so wonderful, why haven't you named it?
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I'm British and live in the US. I have a progressive auto-immune disease and belong to a international support group for this disease. In January I was diagnosed with multiple metastases, in my bones and marrow. The people in the UK with the same thing as me are getting excellent treatment with the latest medications.....me not so much. I have several doctors that do not communicate with each other. I have been told my medication will cost over $2,000/month. Monday a specialist told me to call the insurance company and also the drug company, and if I get anywhere with them to call him and he gave me his extension number. He also added that he wouldn't get involved at all with either company.
BTW thanks to the Washington State legislator, the doctor mentioned above said he will not give me pain meds and I'd better hope I can get the above mentioned expensive drugs.
I have always had good insurance.
Meanwhile in the UK, my fellow suffers are getting all the help and treatment they need, with their doctors all working together. The funny thing is one of my fellow suffers is an American who is living and working in London!
sheshe2
(97,620 posts) sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)answering the question that was asked above. Many Americans cannot conceive of getting what your friends in the UK are getting and think people are making it up. That is how accepting they are at this point, of the abuses inherent in our so-called HC system.
Your experiences here are what are considered 'normal' and will remain that way unless people refuse to accept them anymore.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Michael Moore already did the research for you in his excellent documentary on our for-profit Health Insurance system, 'Sicko'.
He was inspired to make that documentary during the Bush years due to Right Wingers' claims that 'we have the best HC system in the world' and that the 'socialist, commie Europeans and Canadians have the worst'. They insisted people were LYING when they claimed that people in those 'commie' countries never had to worry about HC because of money.
So, he decided to do some research, and produced his documentary, which became the most popular HC response to Right Wingers among Dems at the time.
However, it made him a target of Corporate Shills in the MSM. Shills like Dr. Sanjay Gupta eg.
Always a fighter, MM would not let their lies stand. He was certain there was a campaign going on to discredit him and his documentary, and to prevent it from being seen. He wouldn't shut up for them, he took on Sanjay Gupta, apologist for the Health Ins. Corps, Wolf Blitzer with FACTS, pointing out their LIES.
And back then before he became a Whistle Blower himself, Wendell Potter was helping with that campaign. After his own epiphany, he was able to verify MM's suspicions publicly and apologized to him on the air for the role HE played in trying to discredit him. MM graciosly accepted his apology. Gupta also was forced to apologize AND acknowledge the truth of what MM had to say about our HC system confirming that either wittingly or unwittingly he had participated in the multi million dollar campaign to discredit MM.
If you have not seen Sicko, I would suggest you watch it, it might even be available online for free. There you will get the answer to your question about other countries where people do not have to worry about money when it comes to their HC.
The country I lived in was Ireland where a family close to me had a little girl born with neorofibromatosis, the most severe kind that indicated she would not live past the age of 17.
Not once did they have to worry about money as they and the Children's hospital, nurses, doctors and all those who became part of their lives, worked to try to extend that young life.
On one occasion, a tumor pressing on her spinal column was crippling her. Only ONE doctor was found who had enough experience to operate withour risking crippling her. He was in another country. The trip required a special plane with medical staff, nurses etc and equipment. The cost? Who knows, they did not have to worry about it. Also paid for was the parents stay while she underwent the surgery.
Back here we received updates, emails, videos of her progress. She survived the painful surgery and returned home. She lived five more years. Her sisters and parents believe she is an angel, she certainly was one while she was here, touching the hearts of literally thousands of people who came to know her.
Her short life WAS WORTH the cost in her country.
Had she lived here, her story and her parents' would be very different. Stress and worry about Ins Corps refusing certain treatments etc,, having to spend precious time on the phone, computer, writing letters, worried and grieving at the same time. Stealing precious, limited time from them and their child.
The loss of their young daughter was a tragedy they will never completely recover from, but no 'hoops to jump through' made the time they had with her, theirs, all of it.
I wish that for people here.
RIP Naoimh! Worth every minute, every dollar spent to keep her with the ones she loved for as long as possible, whoever spent it.
We miss you!
nenagh
(1,925 posts)Thank you for your heart, kindness and understanding.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)unbelievable stress to people who are already sick, even dying worried about what they are leaving their families with. It is a CRUEL system.
Thank you nenagh, thank YOU for caring about PEOPLE. As you can see, Americans have been conditioned to expect nothing more than what they are now used to. I hope this NEVER happens in Canada!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Getting the drug in question covered requires jumping through many hoops in Canada.
We shouldn't pretend that single-payer systems do not have formularies.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Care for MS or any chronic disease here is expensive d/t the cost of the drugs, but all provinces have various levels of reimbursement, and the MS Society ensures that everyone has access.
Aubagio, Avonex, Betaseron, Copaxone, Extavia, Gilenya, Lemtrada, Rebif. Tecfidera, Tysabri - are the current ten disease-modifying therapies approved by Health Canada, of which none require jumping through hoops. Unless you're talking about a different drug not listed here?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The specifics are less important than the overall point that single-payer does not mean no formulary.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Getting the drug in question covered requires jumping through many hoops in Canada.
We shouldn't pretend that single-payer systems do not have formularies."
I never mentioned formularies, I was asking about the drug you were talking about. You implied that our system makes it difficult for MS pts. with regard to their meds ...... it doesn't. Now you're unable to even name the specific drug you were basing that on. Weird.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)it's not important enough to dig through all of DU to find the post. Because the overall point is single-payer systems, including Canada, still have a formulary. Whether or not this specific drug is covered, not all drugs are covered in single-payer systems.
Single-payer isn't going to win "the drug war" with the pharmaceutical companies. That's going to take additional battles.
We, including MS pts., don't have a problem getting necessary drugs here, so what is your point? You seemed to think you knew that an MS pt. would have to 'jump through hoops'. Why would you say that, when I've just pointed out that Health-Canada has approved and uses the specific drug mentioned in the other thread. We don't have a 'drug war'. Speak for yourself.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)That Canada has a formulary.
You listed the drugs in it for MS. Thanks for confirming the formulary exists.
And the post you replied to explained why: someone else on DU claimed the drug in question wasn't covered in Canada's formulary.
What's the process for getting a not-in-formulary drug under Canada's single-payer system? It's not trivial. If Roche comes up with a brand-new $1k/dose drug, you won't be able to get it covered instantly. There will be hoops to jump.
What we need is a way to stop that absurd profit-taking from the drug companies. Even in Canada.
polly7
(20,582 posts)to get their needed medications. I've worked in health-care in one form or another for decades, I have friends with MS and many other chronic diseases .... none of them have had to jump through hoops or fight to get any medication they needed or were prescribed. When it comes to dissing our system ........ you'll have to try a little harder. Or at least live here and use it before you claim to know anything about it.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the fuging dark cloud that appears anytime someone finds somethings to cheer about....
The "But what about xxxxxxx" diversionay, red herring crappola is now clearly exposed.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)irony works if you were able to apply the words used, in a valid manner.
Thanks for playing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)As I said, the irony, it isn't dead after all.
You may be playing, I don't consider the lives of people to be any game.
If you want to play that game, you'll have to find someone else to play with.
I am here to talk about political issues.
If name calling and insulting on a Political Forum is your thing,feel free it has zero impact on me, but I would refrain from lecturing others on the subject if it was MY thing, which it isn't.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the gentle cooing of dove, broken only by the lonesome whistle of a train.
blah blah blah. Your attempt to state that everthing ever posted on DU is always political, is hardly the truth now is it? You continue to offer nothing more that diversion and slight of words to the topic at hand.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)A response to comment about a political issue on a political forum should not contain name calling and insults. It can contain strong disagreement but when it becomes personal, it doesn't belong on a political forum. I thought that was the gist of your lecture to the community in your OP.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)Thanks for consistently standing up for progressive values.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I am willing to bet it wasn't 4 or 8 years only.
yah but, doesn't matter. Obama sucks!
lumpy
(13,704 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)All this family has is a temporary reprieve.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Even Medicare doesn't cover everything or provide access to every provider.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024689457#post94
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)My solution to all this angst about ACA.
Let's drop it, kick it out. Screw it, we were far better before it became the law. We were never going to get better with this congress, but hey let's go back to less is more.
It failed, it has done abso-fucking-lutly done nothing for any one of us.
Great idea don't you think? If it is not perfection then we don't want it. Some had to work a little to find a solution. Wow.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Indeed, your words.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)
Well guess you did. Yup hold on to that thought as you or a loved one benefits from ACA.
Why did you self delete your last post to me? I only glanced at it when I went to respond to Sabrina.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Do you want me to PM you?
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)I don't really care what you think of me. Say it here and now. On the board where everyone can see it.
Go for it!
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)before coming back to do a self delete.
You have to wonder what's up with that behavior.??
Strange......
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts) 
Number23
(24,544 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)
Sid
Rex
(65,616 posts)Clever.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Somewhere around here, I have a book of Yogi-isms. I need to find it. That man is a genius.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't even know if anyone else noticed. You got a real talent there.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)
Was it linking to a very credible source, adding the Yogi-ism, or avoiding a hidden post by linking to a post instead of making a statement myself? None of that takes much talent. Sid is the one with exceptional talent.
Sid did say I was clever, though.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Hidden meanings are sometimes hard to spot. You are clever! 
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)
Control-Z
(15,686 posts)and grownup thing to do. How old are you? 15?
Seriously, what the fuck?
Response to HangOnKids (Reply #72)
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)dare ya.
on second thought, no, you are not welcome. good news may disturb your, em, views.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It's life. We all have to deal with shit. Single payer won't even stop that.
City Lights
(25,822 posts)
theboss
(10,491 posts)How did it fail?
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)You faced it head on, no hysterics required.
You rock, Skp!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)So full of compassion, insight, depth, caring, nurturing, warmth, understanding, kindness. I could go on but my heart would break.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)You have a problem with that?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)hi she
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Thanks
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)He got his and fuck those who have to fight.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)This thread is like a minefield and I've been checking replies wondering if the subject line would be sarcasm or snark, but I'm encouraged and I thank you for the kind remarks.
It's extraordinary, given what I actually wrote: good news about how ACA works, that so many people, some of whom rarely post, come out of the blue to shit on me.
I mean really.
Really.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)It sure is a minefield here and elsewhere. A pack attack.
Good to see you again. Haven't spoken to you for awhile.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)If you didn't like Pitt's OP, you shouldn't like this one either.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:49 PM - Edit history (1)
And now that I've had some time to think about it, I don't blame him.
is par for the course for the OP
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Some of you need help.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)All in the name of defending their beloved leader.
It's insane.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)but this is something else.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Though I'd say it's more disgusting than insane.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Some here have lost it, they are personally offended and that is disturbing enough. With that form of zealotry the truth doesn't matter.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)live in the real world, where people are loved ones, children, wives, mothers and fathers. I like the second world better. Statistics are so cold, they tend to leave out MILLIONS of human beings.
We all have choices, the first one or the second one. A majority live in the REAL WORLD.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)That is a fact.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)If that's your priority, so be it. Mine is people, sick people, Americans who should not have to worry about jumping through complex hoops in order to get life saving medication. Frankly I don't care WHO is responsible, I just want to know how it can be fixed, because clearly it has not been fixed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Well, if that poster had that attitude instead of lashing out in an irresponsible way, repeating the false claims, this would never have come to this.
I mean, people were repeating over and over what to do, and the poster started another thread and proceeded to ignore all the information he received.
If Obama were "responsible," there would be a call for him to fix it. That has happened before.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)come tell them they are full of shit and lying, whydoncha?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)wrong with the health-care system in America today.
Insurance companies STILL continue to drive everything, and the rest of us are essentially at their mercy.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Insurance companies have had several years to redesign every aspect of their policies in order to maximum profits under the new ACA rules. That includes making different choices on drugs in the formulary. Why do you state categorically that the ACA had nothing to do with current formularies?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...it has absolutely nothing to do with formularies. I mean, what kind of argument is blaming the law for insurance companies' greed?
In fact, the law increased the MLR to cut into their profits, charges them a fee to use the exchange and made gave people more tools to challenge formularies.
Here's why the health care law's MLR rule is significant
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002500237
Insurers can be dropped from the exchange if they don't follow the rules and they they pay a fee to participate.
Health Insurers Will Be Charged to Use New Exchanges
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/health/health-insurers-will-be-charged-to-use-new-exchanges.html
The Affordable Care Act ensures your right to appeal health insurance plan decisions--to ask that your plan reconsider its decision to deny payment for a service or treatment. New rules that apply to health plans created after March 23, 2010 spell out how your plan must handle your appeal (usually called an “internal appeal”). If your plan still denies payment after considering your appeal, the law permits you to have an independent review organization decide whether to uphold or overturn the plan’s decision. This final check is often referred to as an “external review.”
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/appeal/appealing-health-plan-decisions.html
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)The ACA caused some rather dramatic changes in the way they can do business. I've worked for a limited profit company. When that is the design, part of the challenge is to retain revenue to strengthen the company's overall financial health while maintaining a fixed maximum on profit. The money moves out of the profits column and into other areas that enhance the value of the company, such as capital improvements. There were also some fairly sophisticated ways of declaring as costs items that other companies would just roll out of profits (IDK details here, finance isn't my area.)
Insurance companies are expert at maximizing revenues and profits in a regulated environment. ACA is just a new set of regs.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The ACA caused some rather dramatic changes in the way they can do business. I've worked for a limited profit company. When that is the design, part of the challenge is to retain revenue to strengthen the company's overall financial health while maintaining a fixed maximum on profit. The money moves out of the profits column and into other areas that enhance the value of the company, such as capital improvements. There were also some fairly sophisticated ways of declaring as costs items that other companies would just roll out of profits (IDK details here, finance isn't my area.)
...regulations are not to blame for insurance companies' greed. This argument is no different from Bank of America trying to blame regulations for wanting to charge customers a debit-card fee.
No different from this guy:
Thanks, Obama: Florida Eateries Charge Customers More To Pay For Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574696
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)is a deflection. The ACA is a massive piece of progress. It's also got some limitations that have real consequences. I've always thought of the ACA as a beginning, not an end. Our party should welcome the identification of missteps or omissions and use that knowledge to move the ACA forward.
Or we can just tell people who have an adverse experience to STFU, because OBAMA.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Regulations however may influence how businesses structure their costs.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)And that is the point really, Obamacare had little or nothing to do with the situation will is in other than ensuring his wife was able to get coverage at all.
I would also argue it was DU's effort not Will's that got her temporary coverage and if he continues to follow the advice he was given will likely ensure the coverage she wouldn't have without Obama care will likely make that coverage permanent.
The fuck you pos, not so much in the getting coverage department.
theboss
(10,491 posts)You should read this thread. It's really good:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024702591
Skittles
(171,704 posts)he made WHAT happen?
but .....
ProSense
(116,464 posts)respond to the poll: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024701076
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)to satisfy your clique's vendetta against Will Pitt? What do you think is accomplished by threads like this SKP? Do you think it makes DU a better place for the people here?
Rex
(65,616 posts)It shows people for who they really are.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Part of ACA kicked in earlier, you know, so that she was guaranteed insurance, but we had to first apply and be rejected, then she qualified.
It was brilliant.
I thank Obama.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts) 
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)you should delete this
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I'm all for posting success stories but the hate is just ugly.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)But this spate of offshoot threads is much worse. It's ridiculous at this point.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)This is a lot of extra special attention and some people, those who are clearly whores for attention, really *need* it badly. I mean NEED. And if you're lucky enough to be a somewhat high profile (in a very small pond) attention whore (AW) who throws a very high profile snit-fit for attention, well a glut of threads all about you can't really be all that bad, now can it?
Julie--who marvels at what a small world DU has become
brush
(61,033 posts)all these offshoot threads are a testament to that.
The jury should have hidden it.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)A lot of hateful posts, too, you know, ones that say really nasty and unmerited things about public figures.
As for the ACA, I pretty much agree with this sentiment (though I'd say the ACA shares first place with the Civil Rights Act) which I've copied word for word from a politically active, engaged and very sharp individual:
No, wait. That isn't my opinion -- It is a fact.
I've read posts by DUers trying to tear it down for the last six years, and frankly I've found their arguments to be unconvincing. No, wait, that's not quite right. The truth is that I've found their anti-ACA crusade to be wrong-headed and maybe even a little offensive. I get that many of them are motivated by a desire for single-payer. I am also myself a supporter of single-payer. But I think wishing for the Affordable Care Act to fail is about the worst possible way to fight for single-payer. In fact, I think they are playing into the hands of Republicans who want the whole thing repealed. We sure as hell aren't going to get single-payer if the ACA is killed. More than likely we'd end up back with the shitty system we had before -- or something even worse.
I also think it's a bad idea to air too many of one's personal problems on any forum, and to conduct oneself in a bombastic and attention seeking manner. Frankly, when my loved ones are having serious medical issues, I'm not on the internet railing, cursing and tossing blame about them--I'm busy trying to solve the problem.
The problem is solved, using a methodology a number of us suggested, and I really think it would be nice if we could just pack up all the drama and move on. Until the next time, anyway.
That said, a little pushback on this matter shouldn't shock anyone. When people make a display of themselves, it is unsurprising when people notice and react.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Of course, you're free to do it, but it's even more tasteless than what Will did in a moment of desperation, IMHO.
And I pretty much agree with Skinner's interpretation of the ACA. We won a very important victory here. Something we can build on. No need to hate on those who haven't realized that yet.
MADem
(135,425 posts)the attention-seeking gets a little wearying.
No one was told to F you or called a "piece of shit used car salesman" in this post. The point of the OP, IMO, was to say "Ratchet down the drama." Yes, it was snarky, but sometimes people just won't stop until a mirror is held up.
And even then, sometimes they still won't stop.
Like I said, I don't think airing personal family issues on DU is such a hot idea, particularly when they're wrapped up in a flame-baity, hyperbolic and nasty OP. I also don't think I have the right to give out very personal details about my family members, particularly when there's no cloak of anonymity. It's just something that is outside my comfort zone.
But if people are going to do that, and behave in such a way that they don't just invite, but plead for attention, and are constantly starting highly volatile threads insulting POTUS and the ACA, as well as throwing around gratuitous profanities like they're being paid extra to use them, they should not be surprised if not all the attention they garner is of the "poor you" and "high five" and "right on" variety.
It's a discussion board, people are gonna discuss. It's unreasonable for a poster to lay out such a dramatic and divisive post, and not expect push-back because he CHOSE -- no one forced him -- to reveal personal information about a family member. He could have made the point without getting so specific, and he might have asked for suggestions to overcome his problem first before he started in with the frantic and nasty invective.
That kind of passion is charming in a wide-eyed college kid or a very young adult. Once you hit middle age and older, it doesn't suggest strong feelings so much as coping insufficiencies. There comes a point in time where you have to just get real, get practical, and work to solve the problem rather than pitching a tantrum.
That's my view of it, anyway. I'm sure there's plenty of mileage variation hereabouts.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Without that thread and the attention it drew he wouldn't have learned of the place he could beg that happened to get the treatment his wife needed.
Too bad not all Americans have the wherewithal to get helped by such an array of knowledgeable people.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)An intelligent, well informed person in many terms, Will didn't even know the questions to ask.
I doubt most Americans would know you can get highly expensive drugs direct from the manufacturer, evidently the health care professionals treating Will's wife either didn't know or didn't bother to inform her of this fact.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Anytime a new system rolls out, there are things to learn. MEDICARE isn't terribly transparent, either. You have to do your homework, no matter what system you're playing with.
Perhaps you don't realize that the National Health in Great Britain doesn't cover all medications, and it doesn't cover all surgical procedures, either?
They'll give you what THEY think you need to solve your issues, but if you want the next step, the "better option," you have to pay out of pocket for it. Or find a charity to help.
Here's an example of what I am talking about. There is a hospital in Saint Louis, MO that does a specialized surgical procedure called Selective Dorsal Rhizotomy on children with spastic cerebral palsy. It stops the agony of the spasticity and helps the children have a much improved quality of life. NHS rarely does this operation, only in the last two years have they expanded availability, their technique is OLD and out-of-date, and they still can't treat all the kids that need it to improve their quality of life. They prefer to give the children drugs to loosen up the twisting muscles in their leg as opposed to this permanent, surgical solution.
In Saint Louis, they've done the operation on HUNDREDS of children from UK, Ireland and other nations with "national health" schemes. The parents save money or hold charity fundraisers to get the money --sixty to eighty thousand dollars for the operation and follow-on care. They do this because the only other option NHS gives them is to drug their kid or just watch the child suffer. I can direct you to links if you doubt my word on this.
Bottom line--NO system is perfect. No system is intuitive. No system is simple. Nowadays, we have a thing called the internet, where we can look things up, find things out, even ask for help in a place like DU. Anyone with a high school, never mind a university, education knows enough to do this. Surely a college grad who ostensibly makes a living doing research to write articles can figure this kind of thing out. I am just not buying the "Clueless Will" portrait you are painting.
Will got some incredibly horrible advice from a so-called expert who was a friend, so he said, and I don't think he even approached the doctor about the issue, so he wasn't "turned down" on that score, either. When he came here to DU, he learned about the "appeals process" and the "formulary" (which existed when he was a MA resident--the Commonwealth Care program has the very same limitations, and has had them since RMoney rolled the program out--with bumps and mistakes and glitches, too--years ago) as well.
Most people, once they hit "a certain age," will endure challenges in their lives. Family members gets sick, some seriously, some die. It is natural to be upset or express frustration at the hoops one must jump through to deal with those issues.
It's NOT natural, though, to act like an ass amongst people who can offer you help. It's not polite, it's meanspirited to misdirect anger and attack the wrong person, too, and it's just...childish. Embarrassing. I'm guessing that's why he's laying low--he's waiting for the fuss to die down.
I am not saying any of this to be mean in any way. It's just how I view the whole stupid mess. He shot off his mouth, dramatically (as he has done in the past, here, and he's been forgiven, time and again), and this time, he got some push-back...and even then, he got some HELP -- from people who vociferously disagreed with his relentless, never-ending "Obama sucks waaah" attitudes, too.
All he had to do was ask without being a jerk about it. He would have had his answers in five posts. Not as much attention, or "recs," or hundreds of posts, or tearing of garments and wailing, but he would have gotten the same doggone answers.
He needs to learn to be just a little less disagreeable--unless he relishes the drama. It's a trait of mature people, adults -- and he's closer to fifty than twenty, I'm sure.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Skinner (59,110 posts)
1. My opinion is that the ACA is the single most important piece of social legislation of my lifetime.
No, wait. That isn't my opinion -- It is a fact.
I've read posts by DUers trying to tear it down for the last six years, and frankly I've found their arguments to be unconvincing. No, wait, that's not quite right. The truth is that I've found their anti-ACA crusade to be wrong-headed and maybe even a little offensive. I get that many of them are motivated by a desire for single-payer. I am also myself a supporter of single-payer. But I think wishing for the Affordable Care Act to fail is about the worst possible way to fight for single-payer. In fact, I think they are playing into the hands of Republicans who want the whole thing repealed. We sure as hell aren't going to get single-payer if the ACA is killed. More than likely we'd end up back with the shitty system we had before -- or something even worse.
And, thanks to steve for asking..
steve2470
(37,481 posts)He did not disappoint, agreed with him 100%.
I think we need to direct everyone to a stickied thread somewhere on how to navigate the ACA. It will help reduce tensions on the board, I think. God knows all of us at DU want people to have adequate healthcare.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Good Idea! "I think we need to direct everyone to a stickied thread somewhere on how to navigate the ACA. It will help reduce tensions on the board, I think"'
I'm so glad you asked and MADem posted it.. I might never have seen that gem.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I just can't understand why someone living in NH, where Scott Brown (Idiot-Rye NH) is running against Jeanne Shaheen, would throw such a large and juicy bone in the direction of the GOP. It boggles the mind.
Speaking of Scott Brown, he got the "ACA PLAY OF THE DAY" courtesy of a GOP state rep. Read this, you'll enjoy it...the entire article is just four lovely paragraphs.
GOP State Rep Smacks Down Scott Brown for Calling Obamacare a Monstrosity
Former Massachusetts Senator and NH Senate hopeful Scott Brown called Obamacare a “monstrosity” while visiting the home of NH State Representative Herb Richardson. Bashing Obamacare is pretty standard Boilerplate GOP campaign strategy, but poor Scott Brown made his argument in the wrong home. Richardson and his wife had to correct Scott Brown, because under the new health care exchanges made available because of Obamacare the Republican couple is paying a staggering 88 percent less for health insurance costs.
Richardson’s wife exclaimed “thank God for Obamacare” as she and her husband described how Herb had been injured on the job and forced to live off of workman’s compensation. The couple had to pay over half of their income, 1100 dollars a month, out of pocket to maintain their health insurance under the old federal COBRA law. Obamacare enabled them to qualify for a healthcare subsidy which lowered their costs almost a thousand dollars a month to an affordable 136 dollars a month instead. The Richardsons have reason to be grateful for the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.
Scott Brown may have learned a lesson for Republicans campaigning against Obamacare. As long as it remained an abstraction, it made a convenient bogeyman to attack on the stump. However, now that Obamacare is actually working for some people, the GOP will have to tread carefully. For some people it has brought affordable health care. Despite all the phony horror stories, for Republican families like the Richardsons, the real story is that Obamacare will save them over 10,000 dollars annually in health care costs. For other people with low incomes or with pre-existing conditions, the Affordable Care Act may give them health care coverage for the first time.
While Obamacare is by no means a perfect solution to the nation’s health care crisis, it is an improvement to America’s health care system that provides real and tangible benefits to the American people. The program even helps Republicans. Perhaps eventually Scott Brown and the other federal GOP candidates will learn to accept that Obamacare is a lifesaver and not a monstrosity, at least out here in the real world where the American people have to live.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Scott Brown isn't the only resident of New Hampshire who got an "awkward lesson" about Obamacare.
Richardson was injured on the job and was forced to live on his workers' comp payments for an extended period of time, which ultimately cost the couple their house on Williams Street. The couple had to pay $1,100 a month if they wanted to maintain their health insurance coverage under the federal COBRA law.
Richardson said he only received some $2,000 a month in workers' comp. payments, however, leaving little for them to live on.
"Thank God for Obamacare!" his wife exclaimed.
Now, thanks to the subsidy for which they qualify, the Richardsons only pay $136 a month for health insurance that covers them both.
MOre.. com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4696358
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/20/1286156/-Scott-Brown-gets-an-awkward-lesson-about-nbsp-Obamacare
ProSense.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?
Thanks MADem~ Scott Brown is such an useless fool. All he has to run on are lies about Pres Obama. Quite the little resume he's got going for himself.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)weigh in, and finally speak sense to those who would use this board to try & dare down ACA. These idiots, and their followers have completely taken over the internetz.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Yeah, but it's so Nice to be in the minority with People who actually care about facts!
Tarheel~
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Obama is not God, he is one man and DUers are not the enemy, either. I find threads of 'fuck all of you' at DU for any imagined transgression to be stupid and short sighted and achieve nothing but to set us against each other. Or for the cause that they imply they are supporting, to be ignored.
No one's life situation gives them a platform to denigrate anyone whom they incorrectly assume is not confronted with the same in their own lives. Not everyone puts their story on the net, many have seen little mercy in any part of life and they know that is reality. They would not expect a positive result from making abusive complaints about how they are not getting enough. That doesn't even work for most children.
To sully the person or people who are actually trying to help you results in them giving up and walking away. Expecting one to 'stand there and take it' is what a bully demands and shows a lack of boundaries and respect.
Abuse does not fall under the umbrella of needed criticism. Facts do not alter the views of bombastic stylists and are ignored, or those offering them further abused, which doesn't meet the standard of having a productive discussion.
The dishonestly enters in when those who rail and abuse the worst, are still counting on those they have denigrated to help them while being their perennial whipping boy. That is what bullies expect from those they attack, and are further enraged when they are ignored by those who see them for what they are.
They still want to make the rules, when they have already shown they don't respect any rules, nor do they have any self-control themselves.
It's a cheap thrill, and in the long term, destructive, to treat others that way. Things will find a balance, but employing such tactics is unwise. The use of them may get them exactly what they don't want, and will, like revenge, although they will not understand it is not revenge, be served cold.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Way to break it down!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
City Lights
(25,822 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Heidi
(58,846 posts)I guess we can be thankful that this isn't about gun discussion in GD or you'd be alerting your fingers off and lobbying in the Host Forum to have the discussion shut down.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)Heidi
(58,846 posts)Hosts are supposed to make DU a welcome place and I agree: this sort of disruption does not meet that standard.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)Heidi
(58,846 posts)when a public figure--even a Democrat--cannot be vehemently criticized without invoking hatred from fellow progressives. If I'm not mistaken, the OP's anger is directed at another DUer who, out of love for his wife and extreme frustration, used some strong expletives toward President Obama.
ETA: I guess it could be argued that the OP's target is also a public figure who can take a little pushback, but he's also a DUer. President Obama, to my knowledge, is not a DUer.
djean111
(14,255 posts)It is, as far as I can see, hatred from those who sneer at Progressives.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)The DUer referenced in the OP wasn't sneering at progressives or the POTUS. His wife has a serious illness and he was expressing understandable frustration and anger at the administrator of a system that was not helping her. That's not sneering.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I also think the rage was understandable.
I am saying DU is not a hotbed of progressives at this time; progressives are generally called something emo-progs or hair on fire, etc. So "fellow" progressives is perhaps a misnomer. Will's wife, or her need for the medication, was actually called a "pony", elsewhere.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)Happy Friday!
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Tell me, are you the slightest bit surprised at this behavior?
Hello mdear. One for the hubmeister too.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)
Hugs will be dispensed, and here are hugs for you, the husband, and the pug:
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Hourly eye drops and an Elizabethan Collar. He is not a happy camper. But hugs all around.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)Love to the little man! You know how I am with our feline and canine superiors: all the love and comfort in the world. 
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts):hugs:
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Will Pitt has posted many anti-gun posts.
this OP is revenge for those.
this was less about disagreement than it was an opportunity for the former.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)The admins are letting this happen. I hold out a bit of hope DU3 wasn't the first sign of the admins' abdication of principle; at the same time, I'm tired of having my hope for this community played (and preyed) upon.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It could be said that your post is revenge against SKP over gun disagreements. After all, you're the one who brought it up. That would be nothing but unfounded speculation, though; just like your post.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
pintobean
(18,101 posts)of any foundation for your admitted speculation. Funny, that.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)exposes the dysfunction of the system. Pitting Democrat against Democrat is what the Third Way does. I'd like to see the party get back to being the First Way.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)of behavior from a host (and this is far from a one off from this host) I will have no choice but to reconsider. This is beyond the pale for a host, in my opinion.
QC
(26,371 posts)Does anyone else remember that one?
Heidi
(58,846 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)until the last couple of days, of course.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I will go ahead and explain anyway:
I posted a snarky "best home defense weapon" OP upon leaning that admins were going to allow gun posts in GD.
That was it, a protest post.
Now the most inconsiderate posters, or maybe members who just hate for a hobby, decided to hang that around my neck forever.
Go for it. I'll still be here.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Remember it well.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
i think this is the OP's perspective.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I think I know who to thank for the reminder. 
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
randome
(34,845 posts)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
demmiblue
(39,717 posts)Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)
rudolph the red This message was self-deleted by its author.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts) Cha
(319,067 posts)Heidi
(58,846 posts)is really about the admins, is it not? Why aren't you calling them out?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Explain.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)I shouldn't have posted that, I regret it. I was just upset at how the rules seem to not apply to some.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
Thanks.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts) CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Nice dig at one of our best but hey whatever floats your fucking boat.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Seriously?
Pitt's post was over the top, at least from my perspective, but I have been in his shoes and I know the level of frustration that can cause a post like that.
But sitting here claiming that because the system works for you just means that everyone else is doing it wrong is pretty cold blooded. And IMHO the mindset of the average "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" republican.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Plus...don't criticize Obama because unity...or something...
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kath
(10,565 posts)Jeebus, what an utterly disgusting thread.
And its author is a Host here??? Now THAT's something that needs to change, pronto.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)but as moderator emeritus you frequently make exceptions...
Autumn
(48,961 posts)and true. Great post
Heidi
(58,846 posts)I'm not. CMW is not. And there are others. You may know us all as "disgruntled former mods." This behavior, coming from a host, is abuse of privilege, in my view. I wonder whether the admins will do anything about it.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I don't think any of the other former moderators do this.
By the way, I think you and CMW did a great job as mods.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)unfortunately, and some who enable it by maintaining the "thin blue line."
Of course they won't.
I love the disgruntled former mod club BTW. Been a member for almost 4 years. The issue I believe in fact was about having standards behaving like a moderator should behave. But that's in the past.
It is an abuse of privilege and not the first.
Edit out "decorum" too fussy a word.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)let alone their community, they'll take action. If not, as you said: Pffft.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)"disgruntled former mods".
Completely agree. If this was posted under DU2 I would be screeching to have it shut down. And this time, unlike the 'sit down & shut up thread" I wouldn't be silent.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)couldn't get approved to use the label version of his meds (which worked) and got stuck with generic (which didn't). He's dead now. Time told... Do you have a point?
Heidi
(58,846 posts)his privilege as a host and his own ax to grind with with another DUer, giving no thought to how hurtful his OP would be to other DUers. Not stellar behavior from a host, in my opinion.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm not sure that generics are to blame, I hope not.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)As I mentioned earlier in this thread, you never fail to entertain and it now appears that you're so self-involved that you're performing postmortem analysis even at the expense of DUers who suffer.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I know you have a medical background, but can you really demonstrate an argument in favor of Big Pharma to stay away from generics?
I find this odd, maybe I'm clueless.
But all my life, a Pontiac and a Cadillac and a Chevrolet were all the same pieces of shit.
And oatmeal, and pickles, and tomato products, all the same, different labels.
What am I missing here?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is what you are missing. It is a real minority of patients, and hardly goes on all classes of meds. And that an insurance grunt should not over ride a medical doctor that prescribes label.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is a very small percentage.
Also there is a percentage of patients that need to take label, since there is no generic equivalent that is gluten free. Believe it or not, until six months ago that was my option with Tylenol. Suddenly everybody started using gluten free formulations for the non active components of enough generics.
Just because you have never seen it, does not mean it is not happening.
UTUSN
(77,795 posts)polichick
(37,626 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)so many possibilities...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)_!_
RL
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supernova
(39,346 posts)Many people have issues navigating the exceedingly unhelpful insurance system in this country. Any story illuminating that fact is a help.
You're in the wrong here.
lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)criticism of the President or the ACA, but for the disgraceful way it was presented.
You are right, this post would have been considered wrong, but so would have the over the top rant against the President, and once they allowed one to go through, this was bound to happen.
I have no doubt that this exercise will be allowed to continue until people get it out of their system
Logical
(22,457 posts)
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Guess it depends on who does the call-out.
Or perhaps I experienced a memory error.
Heidi
(58,846 posts)and it appears there are no standards of behavior for hosts to uphold, even in the forums they host.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)now I remember why I gave up raising alerts
true waste of a key-stroke
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)cuz otherwise, i don't know what you're talking about.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)was. Once they allowed the "FU" to the President, that this would occur would be no surprise.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts) City Lights
(25,822 posts)
Unrec.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I think you might be thinking of a different OP that sucks.
Call Me Wesley
(38,187 posts)kissing your Mossberg with that mouth?"
Can't you, as GD host, just stop with the call outs? Because that was your primal intent, and somehow, you just got by with it.
City Lights
(25,822 posts)
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)The thing that really makes me throw up a bit is the personality worship of any politician. It's disgusting enough when people gush and squee over entertainers and celebrities but that sort of thing doesn't do nearly as much harm when that level of adulation and worship is invested in someone with real power. If fangirls gush over Tom Cruise and watch all his movies whether or not they're any good, whatever. But when Obama gets that sort of fan-crush pass no matter what he does, that's dangerous. It's fine to like a politician personally, to admire his character, but by God, you better still hold his fucking feet to the fire.
City Lights
(25,822 posts)It sickened me when Republicans did it with Junior, and it sickens me now. It's downright creepy.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Or do you just throw up easily?
It's a fair question. Read the OP, then read it again.
Gush and Squee?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Mostly because I know the husband signed up for it! 
I don't rub it in, but I'll be DAMMED if I'll call it The ACA around any conservative!
OBAMACARE - 5 MILLION SERVED AND COUNTING.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And if I was him, I'd want to own it, too!
No genius on this board can name a single man or woman who had done as much in the furtherance of health care reform as Barack Obama.
That fact makes it pretty easy for me to call out the haters who post on this site.
Sometimes the stupid of it all overwhelms me, not just that a person might post the stupidity of blaming Obama for problems, but that so many would chime in to support that perspective.
False bravado, and counterproductive, IMHO.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)I mean you really don't know.
tridim
(45,358 posts)On Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:21 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I'm with you, I want him to OWN IT!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4705228
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Blatant call-out to other DUers:
Quote: *Sometimes the stupid of it all overwhelms me, not just that a person might post the stupidity of blaming Obama for problems, but that so many would chime in to support that perspective."
Yeah, the haters. Note: I cannot judge the ACA, since I'm not American. But this call-out spree from this GD host targeting another DU member is just way over the top and borders on obsession.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:34 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Call-out
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A mild post in a mosh pit of divisiveness, IMO.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He did not call anyone by name, just talking in general about DUers who may fit that category. It does not target "another DU member" but the behavior of some.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Rex
(65,616 posts)This is getting stupid. By now we all know who is talking about whom and so the alerts are meaningless imo.
Call Me Wesley
(38,187 posts)I just checked and saw that he's a GD host. Nice bias there.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and/or other profanities. IF it was somebody new, they would be so out of here...I like Will, but I also like the truth better. We've been here forever and know that would happen. HE knows that would happen. Anyone that was a mod on DU2 knows that would happen.
I am glad his wife got her meds. I'm glad his problem is now solved and not causing him any grievance. Dammit, I said I was done with this topic.
Glad your GF got her meds! Going without prescription medicine is dangerous and has happened to me on more than one occasion.
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)It can be difficult to tell whether someone is behaving a certain way because of a genuine belief or because they find it amusing to troll people with it. Cult of personality behavior is disgusting no matter whose side it is aimed at.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)how dare they . . . .
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,198 posts)I now have coverage that I did not have till ACA kicked in.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And she's not even an Obama fan, but I'm a helpful type and I did all the research and paperwork and got her, a forty something year old, a plan for under $400 that includes medications for her prior condition, which is too complex to describe, I think it's CRPS as an acronym.
Guess what? Thanks Obama!
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)really surprise anyone?
At least it doesn't surprise me
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Was it perfect on DU2? Nope.
But I do think this whole thing could have been nipped in the bud if the post referring to Obama as a "piece of shit used car salesman" was locked.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)happen
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)choices too, which from what I have seen has shown no remorse in his choice of words.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,349 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Not that Teresa is a member, far from it, and she's a former girlfriend, but a current friend.
But her condition and her plight is real, and a lot of people don't even know that they have coverage until they challenge the providers.
It's called working with the system.
It ain't perfect, but it's more perfect than any other president ever left it.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you saw an opportunity to take a shot at the person this thread is aimed at.
and you took it.
crimeariver1225
(19 posts)Raven
(14,275 posts)liniage that you promised. Lots of hate in this thread but I'm sure that now that I have posted, there will be more. Congrats to you, it must be just what you wanted.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)In fact, while I didn't respond, I found the posts by a popular DU writer less than constructive.
Still, can we come back together now? This seems like kicking someone after they've fallen asleep.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I've asked the other member who blames the president for his own ignorance to edit or delete.
I share a good story, one of success, it doesn't make sense to delete it unless the goal is to make the president look like an abject failure by letting the idiocy stand unaddressed.
This is a true story of success, and my own monthly costs dropped by over $800, quite apart from the point but just to say that there's far more good here than bad.
Talk to the other dude.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I made a tiny url to prevent any alerts:
Graphic image, hand injury, don't open if you're queasy: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ACA-works-for-Teresa
So it seems she was moving her storage trailer from a neighbor's driveway and the neighbor backed up while her hand was still in between the hitch and truck.
She didn't carry insurance at the time so never got proper treatment, and she sure as hell didn't have any coverage post-injury when I met her.
On her behalf, I made calls, did some research, never complained about it to DU or anybody, just did the human being thing and tried to solve the problem.
This had a good outcome, and my own personal healthcare costs dropped by over $800/month, so I'm pretty happy, and Teresa has her meds, and other people have their meds, too!
All around, it's a good thing!
special hugz to Heidi and Puglover and CallMeWesley!
840high
(17,196 posts)
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts) NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)then you just go right ahead.
NealK
(7,151 posts)The sociopathic OP that he wrote after the Sandy Hook massacre was far worse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post34
City Lights
(25,822 posts)Interesting. Very, very interesting...
NealK
(7,151 posts)... he pasted what he originally wrote in the OP before self-deleting it.
City Lights
(25,822 posts)
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)Yes, that WAS the lowest so far. This is the second lowest. That was truly deranged. Twenty kindergarteners and six adults shot dead and he wanted to worship the almighty gun. I stand corrected.
Disgusting.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)urging for the hosts to act under the guidelines of DU2. If this is your idea of acting under the old mod guidelines it's an epic fail. We were to make everyone feel welcome; we were to stay out of controversial subjects; we were never to call out another member. Mods were expected to follow all DU rules to the letter.
Call Me Wesley
(38,187 posts)special huggzie-buggzie!
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)disgruntled former mods & his wonderful wife!
dogday
(24,008 posts)The only "Disgruntled Former Mods" that I can see are the same ones who only come out to post negatively about other former mods. I can honestly say that I see your name constantly posting negative comments about the OP, this is not the only thread is it? I can remember when I was a mod you tried to form a campaign to have another mod ejected. You quote a lot of rules from DU2 but forget one of the biggest. Respect your mod brothers and sisters. As long as you break that one, you have no standing to tell anyone about "The Rules"
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)I never ever formed a campaign to have a mod ejected.
We'll have to agree to disagree about the rest of your post. And you seem to be here just to snipe at me. This thread is days old.
dogday
(24,008 posts)I have posted the truth, I will stand by it and I don't snipe, I state fact and go on down the road.
So what if the thread is days old? I get to DU when my health permits.
I will never post anything about you, but I will always reply to any post where you post negative comments against any of the mods.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Honest, I remember how beautiful it is where you lucky two are. Amazing!
Call Me Wesley
(38,187 posts)but 'wakemeupwhenitsover' lives a few thousand miles from my location. 'Heidi' is my wife.
:nohug:
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And my regards and hugs were directed toward both you and Heidi, and I'll admit that I didn't know that you were together until maybe a year ago, I have enjoyed conversations with her and I think we might have modded together at one point. I'm pretty sure, however, that you and I didn't serve at the same time.
In any event, I wish you both well. The landscape they you enjoy is unique, and you're both blessed to live there.
Call Me Wesley
(38,187 posts)(And no passive-aggressiveness here,) I might have read the post the wrong way. I still don't believe in the hugs there, and you know why.
No, she and you didn't serve together. I was the last one, once called temporarily in mid-term. We never modded together. Which brings me to a point I don't exactly understand. You said downthread that there's no rule about call-outs and flamebait. Yep, you're right. But this really doesn't mean we have to indulge in it. I do think we can do better, and sometimes, stepping back from the keyboard is better.
I had my share when META still was open, and I admitted that openly. I might point out when a host oversteps his given role or when a swarm alerts on topics they'd like to shut down, even if it's no SOP violation.
So we'll might meet again arguing, which I still think is a good thing and keeps stuff in perspective. It's just a random online forum we participate in, in the end. No bigger, no less.
A good night from afar.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I am possibly confusing Heidi with Heddi, in terms of usernames. My interactions with Heidi were always positive.
You and I, on the other hand, rarely interacted and I'm certain were not moderators at the same time.
I think it's important to bear in mind that my OP is based in fact, based in a benefit that many don't realize existed two years ago: coverage for pre-existing conditions. Google PCIP.
http://www.pcip.ca.gov/Home/default.aspx
To be honest, Obama's efforts have made a significant difference in my life and in Teresa's life, more hers than mine.
In her case, she was able to get insurance despite her condition: a hand injury, serious, and all the neurological and pharmaceutical complications thereby related.
For me, my monthly cost for insurance fell by over $800/month. Of course YMMV, and you're in Europe, but I really think that people who complain about Obama's efforts need to look a bit more carefully.
Did every single person win? No. Was it single payer? No.
Did Teresa (and for that matter Will Pitt's wife) get medications.
Guess what. Teresa and Will's wife did.
Yet, a post that reads "Fuck You" to Obama stands.
Sorry, but I have a problem with that, I wish the member would written a retraction, correction, or have otherwise revised his statement, but he didn't.
Regards and thanks for a civil discussion.
NYC_SKP
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #346)
Call Me Wesley This message was self-deleted by its author.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 23, 2014, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)
You know this is true. But it's a new world now, run by community, call outs and flamebait are not against rules.
Posts blaming Obama for one's own ineptitude would have been RSedi
This OP is a celebration of reality. It's a factual event.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Where were those posts, and how do they relate to your OP?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Will Pitt told the POTUS to fuck off or something because he felt that the mismanagement of Rxs was somehow his fault, I don't know, I don't want to link, I just want to post a counterexample.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Gotcha.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)You know, if you want to create a little subthread to connect real progress as described in my OP to some other thread, go for it buddy.
Own it, but don't hang it around my neck. I really don't give a shit, but I won't shut up in my support of life changing reform, either.
Be well.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I didn't assumed it was connected to another thread. You told me it was. Own it.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)So you can too?
I am rolling my eyes so hard they hurt. Lots of people lie & cheat & steal, but I'm not joining them. I hold myself to a higher standard.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)In fact, I would argue the point strenuously, but I still feel bound by the confidentiality agreement I signed so I'll have to leave it at that. And please don't fire back like you did last time with "put up or shut up". I can't because of the confidentiality agreement. But the stories I could tell.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Saying that there are stories you could tell is the equivalent of telling the stories.
I never had a beef with you and I never will.
SRY
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Please don't send me messages calling me "honey".
I don't know you and that's not the way to address someone you don't know.
Autumn
(48,961 posts) What's next little woman? NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I know it wasn't me.
That's definitely dismissive, disrespectful, sexist.
Creek and I have an ongoing love-hate thing, I guess, and honey is a pretty common salutation where I live, and where Creek lives, too, so I hope you aren't puking on me.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)I don't think it's a secret since you posted that your GF is in CA. Well, I'm a 7th generation Californian & I NEVER heard 'honey' used in anything but a derogatory manner. Once again, it's an epic fail.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And you are just believing him, and assuming that whatever I say is of less import? Really?
Yeah, I called him honey. We call each other honey male to male, and any other gender configuration.
I have spent a lot of time volunteering at the LGBT Center, have been a visitor of The City since the 1970's, have more stories than you would ever want to hear.
"Honey", "Darling", "Cupcake", whatever are terms that are not uncommon, not ONLY in The City and in alternative settings but also in many more rural parts of the country.
I'm sorry that you are choosing to chime in with a reply to an offhand attempt by CreekDog to spoil and soil this thread.
I guess that's one for him. Yea him!
Meanwhile, thousands of people are benefiting from ACA, getting coverage, meds, etc., and really for anyone paying attention, it's been happening for a few years already, since 2010.
Come on, wakemeupwhenitsover. Since 2010.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)Uhm. You admitted it. Once again, from the Mod handbook under DU2: treat all members with respect. And that went double for PMs. Use their DU handle, not 'honey' or 'cupcake' or 'tootsie'.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I won't call you honey if you find it offensive.
I really waste too much time on the unhappy people in this community. I thought you were not among them.
Fuck and so sorry. Your anguish is noted.
wakemeupwhenitsover
(68,751 posts)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)i realize that you're still going for the Mr. Congeniality award on DU while simultaneously often acting in an unvarnished way behind the scenes...regardless of that, if I point out a specific instance of that, do NOT call me or suggest that I'm a liar or I will provide quotes.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)CreekDog, please!
OK, check your PM, I have time to meet up with you in the next two weeks, OK?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)yet another example of saying one thing for general consumption here, while doing another behind the scenes.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)If nothing more, you are honest, CreekDog.
You will acknowledge that my use of the term "honey" was in a reply to a PM you sent.
I've never sent you a PM, I have replied to some of your numerous PMs directed toward me.
Not that it matters.
The open date stands, we should really get together and I am confident that we'd walk away from the meeting smiling, as friends.
I'll be passing through, not SF, but the peninsula, on Tuesday, would be happy to detour.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you seem to think I'm Larry anyway...
then you can call him "honey".
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)here's a quote of his message to me, i'll only quote the relevant part of it, to protect his privacy, though not his dignity.
Friday
NYC_SKP
Re: what are you accusing me of posting from MIRT?
Mail Message
Here honey, the picture of ...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I don't know why.
Repeatedly, you've sent PMs and I've replied.
One of these days you need to just stop it or become more consistent.
I would buy you dinner at your choice of places in the area of the Ferry Building, I know pretty much all of the vendors.
I would think that cowgirls sidekick would be fun.
So, let's make a date while I'm not booked up with Hawaii and shit, OK?
http://www.ferrybuildingmarketplace.com/cowgirlsidekick.php
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:13 AM - Edit history (1)
here, I'll only quote enough of your message to me to show that I'm telling the truth:
Re: what are you accusing me of posting from MIRT?
Mail Message
Here honey, the picture of Teresa's hand injury ...
oh and well, here's one where you call me "Larry"...
(just enough to show that you call me things...)
Re: Re: Re: i wouldn't have posted what i said had you not "thanked" Will Pitt
Mail Message
Here's your chance, Larry: ...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I have friends in the Castro and the Sunset neighborhoods, they're really nice. Just let me know.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I don't really have time to "stalk" people, but I'm here to help if you ever need me.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)empire building at DU really cuts into the schedule.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'd like to think that our best times are yet to come.
I wanted to introduce you to my girlfriend, thought we might go sailing.
She has a boat. Well, to be clear, she has boats.
LMK
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)SKP had posted on MIRT that I had posted something from MIRT verbatim elsewhere on DU, which I didn't. Something he later confirmed, but I digress...
Friday
CreekDog
what are you accusing me of posting from MIRT?
Mail Message
let's be specific now.
and then the reply (just partially quoted...)
Friday
NYC_SKP
Re: what are you accusing me of posting from MIRT?
Mail Message
Here honey, the picture of Teresa's hand injury...
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2014, 11:12 PM - Edit history (2)
Do you think people don't notice the way you behave here, chasing people around the board, harassing them, assaulting their character, disrupting entire threads in the process? You think other people don't see that? It glares like the sun off a clean windshield.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)to find me and accuse me of stalking.
in a conversation where I asked the OP to not address me as "honey".
but you found me, posted here, followed me here and elsewhere to always remind me that it is me that's stalking.
how many threads of mine have you posted in to accuse me of stalking you?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Thanks in advance.
Can I make you a sandwich?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Creek., when I say I'd love to be friends I'm not kidding.
We are probably too much alike for comfort, but damn, life is short.
Be well.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm flattered.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's more amusing than flattering. Skip's right, though. People know what he does. It seems that even his toadies* have deserted him.
* credit to MFM for labeling his followers toadies
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)if you think i'm unpopular now, think how unpopular the above would make me!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Homophobia much?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Nice try, but my friends here know better.
Without giving too much away, I volunteer a lot in the city and greater bay area and have many dear friends there.
Now please stop with your nonsense.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Ditto what your volunteering activities and friends here may be. The rest of us need to size you up based on your words.
But speaking of nonsense, I'm tired of yours.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Fucking wow, just fucking wow.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts) NealK
(7,151 posts)Although there's this:
I wonder why he self deleted?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014704545#post14
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)but your link is interesting.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's just awesome to know you.
And this business of "wondering what that hidden post says" shit is what makes certain things really suck.
Witch hunt, guilty until proven innocent, tactics like this are fairly obvious.
Your efforts are not helpful.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Thanks, foo_bar!
For the Record: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014704545#post5
NealK, shame on you. You are no friend of my friends in the gay community or any straight friends, for that matter.
I'll just let the community take this in and hold my comments.
SMH..
I hope your life gets better, I hope you find better things to do than try to take down good people, man.
Wow. Fuck.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)but, moments before, as host, you not only supported locking the thread when he posted it (because nobody had died in the shooting), yet later when you learned that someone had in fact died, said that you couldn't retroactively unlock it just because someone died (hours) later.
so, when you posted to "Thank" Will Pitt, I thought that was, well, relevant to the genuineness of the statement you posted.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Empty threats, empty and blank accusations, guilt by association, screen captures! (CreekDog?), this behavior does FAR more harm to the gay/lesbian/alt community than can be described.
Shame on you. What a pathetic distraction.
If you were a righteous progressive and contributor to this community then you'd have some thoughtful things to say.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)wow. didn't realize not arguing or questioning you was a prerequisite for that.
NealK
(7,151 posts)Oh, wait... Carry on.
Texasgal
(17,240 posts)is *always* involved in board drama. It's almost inevitable!
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)after the drama broke out.
you're so remarkable that you can be in the midst of all the same drama i was in, yet you floated above it.
how do you do that?
such magical powers.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Which usually seems to be the goal.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)i cannot begin to describe my pleasure in seeing you post in this thread to support the OP, who is immeasurably proud of Obama, our nation's first black president, who said he sees himself as Trayvon Martin, and his signature achievement.
i can't wait to post your support of Obama and the ACA in the Barack Obama Group.
this is an exciting day!
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you need to launch some vendetta against them.
Most everyone else here has learned or realized that. Hell, most kids in the fourth grade have.
Quit harassing people and try to have a conversation. People here might begin to take you seriously again.
And maybe seek some help for your anger issues.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts) Kild the Radio Star
(30 posts)The racist/misogynist/homophobic/Neanderthal/xenophobic Gawwwwwwwwwwwwdly Old Pricks are dying off.
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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's an oddly worded reply, in any event.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)YOU? ... Not so much ....
Will was in the streets leading the charge against Bush Co from day one ... The dude has more integrity in his little finger than you could ever dream of, as evidenced by this even less 'classy' thread ...
HUGE unrec for this nonsense ....
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)On matters of the environment, etc.
Of course we may differ on the ACA thing, eh?