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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:17 AM Mar 2014

Why do we tolerate mega-wealth?

This is a Facebook Note written by a friend of mine, Frank Dana, that was so good I thought folks here might enjoy reading it.

[font size=4]Why do we tolerate mega-wealth?[/font]
By Frank R. Dana

(I wrote this about a year ago, initially as a comment on someone else's post, then as a status update of my own. In honor of the information I posted today, based on an Oxfam report, that EIGHTY-FIVE people control the same amount of wealth as the lower half of the *world* population, I'm reiterating...)

...Why do we tolerate mega-wealth? — Not mere millionaires, but really obscene, couldn't-possibly-use-it-all accumulations of untold multiple billions of dollars? Your Bill Gateses your Saudi sheiks, your Apple Computers. (And this isn't about Apple's corporate value, but its wealth — some say they could be sitting on as much as $100 billion.) Societally, I mean, why do we accept, admire, even praise the "achievement" of consolidating so much wealth into the control of one entity?

If your small fishing village was experiencing a famine, or if your country had instituted wartime rationing of food, it wouldn't be considered "okay" for some morbidly obese glutton to be stuffing himself to death with food while everyone around him fought not to starve. Even if he obtained the food fairly, heck even if he produced every bite of it himself, it would still be viewed as shameful to be wallowing in such excesses of consumption. It wouldn't have to be illegal, or even "wrong", to be viewed as morally lacking, and most people would take a dim view of someone with such a gluttonous appetite, and so little self-awareness or empathy for the other members of the community. Fatso would get the stink-eye, for sure.

Yet, when someone scrapes together a pile of gold big enough to choke the Nile and shoves it in their basement, we marvel at their achievement and praise their "success", as if what they've accumulated are merely points on a scoreboard, and not actual, fungible resources. (Money, dammit, IS a commodity, if perhaps a uniquely volatile one.) Why do we drool over Apple's $100 billion corporate bank account, and devour breathlessly-written pieces on what a "problem" they have trying to figure out how to spend all that cash, without even raising the question of whether their massive wealth is a good thing? How could it not be, right?

Wouldn't it be appropriate (perhaps even more appropriate) to instead react with something like, "Holy shit, Apple so overprices their products, and/or underpays their employees or suppliers, that they're sitting on $100 billion in CASH from being the peddlers of wildly unnecessary digital toys."? Why would it be wrong to consider their massive wealth and the process by which they achieved it just as gluttonous, shameful, and reprehensible as our theoretical food-hoarder?

Or, take Bill Gates. Now, he's done a lot of really amazing things with his wealth, things which are undeniably praiseworthy. I have absolutely no desire to diminish the incredibly generosity he's demonstrated, with his incredibly vast personal fortune. But, thing is, he didn't HAVE to do that. (Which makes it all the more laudable, of course.) He could just as easily have sat on the entire $70+ billion or whatever it was, or swam around in it like Scrooge McDuck. So, why would we (again, societally) favor people having that option? Why was it even "okay" that he became worth so much to begin with, regardless of what he did or didn't ultimately choose to do with the money? Why are we so unquestioningly worshipful of financial gluttony?
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Why do we tolerate mega-wealth? (Original Post) markpkessinger Mar 2014 OP
Social conditioning in regards to capitalism and the American identity. go west young man Mar 2014 #1
Tolerate? yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #27
Good point. go west young man Mar 2014 #38
But we didnt' used to "allow" it. The tax rate was very high on the wealthy mountain grammy Mar 2014 #42
I was going to say because of capitalism deeply embedded into American identity, LWolf Mar 2014 #52
I'm the same way.. go west young man Mar 2014 #64
Yes. LWolf Mar 2014 #68
The simple truth is always amazingly elegant. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #2
I should probably check with him on that, but . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #4
If you ask him, let us know. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #5
Because enough of us think we'll have that much wealth "someday" to carry it on Recursion Mar 2014 #3
Because freedom, of course... Wounded Bear Mar 2014 #6
It's a good article newdemocrat999 Mar 2014 #7
i guess we are very good at tolerating other people's poverty srican69 Mar 2014 #10
Because command economies go catastrophically wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #8
Seriously? markpkessinger Mar 2014 #15
Sure. It's even called "the Third Way" because of that Recursion Mar 2014 #17
That would seem to be the route . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #19
Welcome to the Post-Scarcity Economy Recursion Mar 2014 #20
Show us Third Way links Enthusiast Mar 2014 #21
Sure. Yglesias was the clearest writer on it. Recursion Mar 2014 #22
Try as I might, I could find nothing where Yglesias refers to Third Way. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #29
News flash: actual politicians are as disappointing to third way activists as they are to liberal Recursion Mar 2014 #33
Corporate economics are much more complex than that joeglow3 Mar 2014 #36
Oh, really? Bullshit! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #50
I say this as a CPA who works in the tax department of a Fortune 500 company joeglow3 Mar 2014 #55
BFD. The truth remains the truth. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #56
The truth as you make it up. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #57
US corporate taxes are too low! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #62
You did not answer my questions joeglow3 Mar 2014 #63
I do. He doesn't. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #51
based on Corporate finance 101.. srican69 Mar 2014 #9
Meh. Viable 3D printers are a decade away at most. Recursion Mar 2014 #24
sorry I totally missed your point .. What has 3D printers got to do with anything? unless srican69 Mar 2014 #45
I think we're slowly awakening to how ridiculous it is. reformist2 Mar 2014 #11
k&r n/t RainDog Mar 2014 #12
It's a shell game... ReRe Mar 2014 #13
We have a real large percentage of ass-kissers in our population! dmosh42 Mar 2014 #14
Because we are going to be rich ourselves one day treestar Mar 2014 #16
Part of it is that marions ghost Mar 2014 #18
this. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #41
Good observation, marion's ghost. (nt) Kurovski Mar 2014 #60
Answer is partly in the thread immediately above this in the Greatest page n2doc Mar 2014 #23
Yeah, why does JK Rowling have to keep writing books? Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #25
Not really the point now, is it? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #28
The subject of the thread is "tolerating mega-wealth". Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #30
Don't bash the insanely rich because they use their tax cuts wisely... Larry Ogg Mar 2014 #26
greed + fig leaf = incredibly persuasive argument unblock Mar 2014 #31
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Mar 2014 #32
"viewed as shameful to be wallowing" moondust Mar 2014 #34
Why do you have to use terms like "fatso" joeglow3 Mar 2014 #35
I didn't use it . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #37
So, why re-post stuff with such disparaging comments? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #39
Because I think we're all adults here . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #48
I don't mind that people get mega wealthy LittleBlue Mar 2014 #40
John Calvin steve2470 Mar 2014 #43
This WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #44
Because we're still dumb enough to equate wealth with virtue... Orsino Mar 2014 #46
that was my point exactly, nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #67
Oh, and as for Bill Gates... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #47
And, the Bill Gates Foundation is trying to dismantle public education... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #49
Same question in shorter version... Bigmack Mar 2014 #53
I like that. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #54
Can't find a better alternative. One_Life_To_Give Mar 2014 #58
Some wealthy are hoarders. It's a sickness. (Not joking here) Kurovski Mar 2014 #59
Absolutely it is an illness--an addictive illness marions ghost Mar 2014 #61
Thank you! Kurovski Mar 2014 #65
There was this at the end of the article: Kurovski Mar 2014 #66
 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
1. Social conditioning in regards to capitalism and the American identity.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:30 AM
Mar 2014

"The American Dream" has been sold for so long and is such a part of our psyches that Americans are willing to literally die for it. They go with nothing or close to nothing because they are convinced they haven't earned it in any way. And now they are too unmotivated to fight to change it.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. Tolerate?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:40 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)

We don't have a choice but to allow it. The only way to stop it would be to confiscate the wealth which I can't imagine any politician on any side would do that. I have no problem with people working for the wealth they have, however, how about just stop the dedication, the "hiding" the money and absolutely no trusts for them to set up. No non-profit crap that basically hides the money and just tax the money appropriately. Whatever is left, they can have and make even more if they want. I don't think we hate the rich, we just hate the fact that they don't pay enough taxes. If a guy has 5 billion, why not tax him and leave him with 2.5 billion..that is still a ton of money.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
38. Good point.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:41 AM
Mar 2014

Tax fairness is a large part of the problem. Lots of money could be recouped by increasing taxes on the wealthy, taxing the religious money makers, and taxing overall capital gains at the end of the year by a larger percentage. There should also be a greater tax directly aimed at the large stock market players, the hedge funds, angel investors and big day traders. The type of trading should matter. The little guys and small investors are being shut out of the best deals and insider information is obviously playing a larger part than ever before. Hence the reason the top 1% wealth keeps expanding. The government should be looking at ways to level the stock market playing field....it's out of control.

mountain grammy

(26,638 posts)
42. But we didnt' used to "allow" it. The tax rate was very high on the wealthy
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:14 AM
Mar 2014

until conservatives convinced Americans that only lowering taxes on the rich will create a booming economy. Even senior Bush knew this was "voodoo economics" until he didn't.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
52. I was going to say because of capitalism deeply embedded into American identity,
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:47 PM
Mar 2014

but you beat me to it.

I am a strong individualist; probably that American upbringing and conditioning so deeply embedded in my psyche.

I'm also, though, a collectivist.

Can I be both? Is that schizophrenic, or just more complex than the polarized, black/white, either/or conditioning that humans, Americans in particular, seem to think in?

I'm for the collective good, and for working together to provide it.

I'm also for individual rights, and I want to be able to draw a line in the sand that cannot be crossed. In reality, of course, that line has to shift and move with the sand, so that my individual rights don't impede anyone else's, and don't harm the collective good. Still...

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
64. I'm the same way..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:18 PM
Mar 2014

it is just social conditioning. I do like making money myself though so I guess I'm a responsible capitalism socialist ...the inability to focus on regulation is at the heart of the problem. We are the patient bleeding on the table but no one wants to stem the bleeding. I think Obama has implemented some underground things to get the money flowing to the lower echelons but he has been fought all the way on it. America needs a new re-regulation plan...similar to a New Deal type plan. One that focuses on drawing in the corporations and giving power back to the people.

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
2. The simple truth is always amazingly elegant.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:46 AM
Mar 2014

The way that he frames the issues is tremendously useful for helping people to see these things in proper perspective.

Given his implicit world view and the fact that I would not disseminate his writing for personal gain, may I assume that I can broadcast this piece far and wide?

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
5. If you ask him, let us know.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:11 AM
Mar 2014

I bet I'm not the only one who would like to share the article. I don't do any real "facebooking," or I'd ask him, myself.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Because enough of us think we'll have that much wealth "someday" to carry it on
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:50 AM
Mar 2014

150 years ago Andrew Carnegie could go from being the poorest person in the US to the richest, and we're still stuck with the romantic notions that came from that. (Though that ignores another problem -- even if anyone could get ahead back then, everyone couldn't...)

 

newdemocrat999

(37 posts)
7. It's a good article
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:23 AM
Mar 2014

My question is why as humans do we tolerate poverty in our country ?
We like to put ourselves on top of the food chain and then we watch brutal nature videos
of other species hunting and killing for food , territory .


I think we are the brutal ones not the animals we watch. We allow people to die or live a shorter life because they can't afford a medicine that is on a shelf 15 feet away. Or they can't afford a healthy food as they walk by it a foot away.

That's what's crazy to me.

As to the article , it's because the rich or the 1% learned a very , very , very long time ago.

Have an army or police force , give them just enough to not feel hunger or thirst . Have a place they can have shelter and they will
follow orders .

It hasn't changed . Hire a police force or an army , give them good medical , good dental , give them a pension , give them a roof over their heads , and they also will follow orders .

That's why sir we tolerate wealth , because it's backed up by a gun. It's not the rich or the politicians who have to carry a gun.

They only need to control the armies that do .

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
8. Because command economies go catastrophically wrong.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:38 AM
Mar 2014

That he even phrases the question like this demonstrates that he has no understanding of economics.

A sensible question is "why don't we tax the rich more".

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
15. Seriously?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:58 AM
Mar 2014

. . . Do you really see no middle ground between our current, winner-take-all, (not-so-free) market-driven economy and a 'command economy?'

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. Sure. It's even called "the Third Way" because of that
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:03 AM
Mar 2014

Let businesses do their thing, tax them, and redistribute it. That's the "third way" in a nutshell.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
19. That would seem to be the route . . .
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:52 AM
Mar 2014

. . . already favored by Mr. Rankin above.

I am increasingly coming around to the belief that we are at a crisis point in which none of our existing models of economic organization is able to meet the simultaneous requirements of (1) providing a means of participation for all who must derive a living from it; and (2) sustainability. Capitalism may be arguably better than a 'command economy,' but by limiting our view to one or the other of those models, we are locking ourselves into a dichotomy of failed models.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. Welcome to the Post-Scarcity Economy
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:54 AM
Mar 2014

What will we do when automated labor is cheaper even than the cheapest third-world labor? That's not as far away as people think, and we're completely unprepared for it. (I'm writing this from India, where you can see it happening right now, incidentally...)

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. Show us Third Way links
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:56 AM
Mar 2014

that advocate taxing business and redistributing it.

I mean taxing business at higher rates than today's pittance. Since you say it's Third Way "in a nutshell".

How is cutting social security, as advocated by Third Way, helping to "redistribute" wealth to the less fortunate?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
22. Sure. Yglesias was the clearest writer on it.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:01 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox.html

That is his blog (or was so until about a week ago). He said, over and over and over again, he wants a relatively laissez faire business environment, relatively high taxes, and relatively activist distribution in cash rather than in kind. That's the clearest "third way" message there has been for the past decade.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
29. Try as I might, I could find nothing where Yglesias refers to Third Way.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:51 AM
Mar 2014

However, on the Third Way website I did read their take on raising taxes on individuals. They did talk about raising the cap on FICA. But they were opposed to increasing payroll contributions for middle class workers which voters would favor if necessary to preserve social security and medicare. They also favor Chained CPI and means testing for social security.

I found nothing indicating Third Way favored increasing taxes on corporations. Maybe I didn't look hard enough. I felt slimy looking at their website.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
33. News flash: actual politicians are as disappointing to third way activists as they are to liberal
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:20 AM
Mar 2014

and conservative activists.

Read more than a page or two in if you didn't see Yglesias's consistent message.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
36. Corporate economics are much more complex than that
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:14 AM
Mar 2014

The US is one of a handful of nations that taxes worldwide profits. It also has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Make those rates even higher and you will see companies moving their corporate headquarters overseas. This is costly enough that you wouldn't see it all on day one, but that would only make sense when they could save hundreds of millions (if not billions) every year simply by moving their headquarters to a different nation (Canada or Mexico).

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
50. Oh, really? Bullshit!
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:12 PM
Mar 2014

The effective corporate tax rate is way low in the U.S. with many paying ZERO. The poor corporations, woe is me.

You know how those corporations have rewarded tax cuts, by moving our most valuable jobs overseas. The more we lower their taxes the faster they move.

I have an answer for them moving their operation out of the country. TARIFFS. Big tariffs on their products.

We can manufacture anything here and those corporations that leave can be replaced.

They should be beholden to us for providing them with a market, not the other way around like you seem to want it.

I heard your same fucking story on 60 Minutes. I didn't buy their right wing lies then and I won't now.

You must be on special assignment today.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
55. I say this as a CPA who works in the tax department of a Fortune 500 company
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:37 PM
Mar 2014

What are your credentials?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
57. The truth as you make it up.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:43 PM
Mar 2014

Are you claiming the US is not one of only a handful of countries that tax worldwide income? Are you claiming the US does not have the highest tax rates in the world? Are you claiming the vast majority of companies pay next to zero in taxes?

It would be nice to guage your understanding of the current tax environment.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
51. I do. He doesn't.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:49 PM
Mar 2014

When you talk about "not tolerating mega-wealth" what you're describing is not sensible tax rises, it's a command economy with idiocies like a maximum wage.

This moron clearly doesn't get that the goal of left-wing economics is *not* to punish the rich, it's to help the poor.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
9. based on Corporate finance 101..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:43 AM
Mar 2014

We tolerate apple sitting on 100 billion or even a trillion dollars if its returns can beat its cost of capital..(what its cost of capital is, is much larger discussion)... the moment Apple's managers cannot find projects that do that ...then investors start wanting return of capital in the form of dividends and share buybacks.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. Meh. Viable 3D printers are a decade away at most.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:19 AM
Mar 2014

What's the purpose of capital accumulation at that point?

srican69

(1,426 posts)
45. sorry I totally missed your point .. What has 3D printers got to do with anything? unless
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

you were being wildly facetious ..

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
13. It's a shell game...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:29 AM
Mar 2014

... and we've been the amazed dupes. Game's up, and we're pissed.

Oh yeah, good article.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
14. We have a real large percentage of ass-kissers in our population!
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:38 AM
Mar 2014

Just look how we adore the celebrities in this country. Most people could tell you about any of the star actors or singers, but couldn't tell the name of their two US senators.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
18. Part of it is that
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:26 AM
Mar 2014

people tend to reject the idea that they are being victimized. Nobody wants to think the world is THAT bad. But it is.

Americans put up with far too much out of fear of getting involved and a bad national case of Denial. I don't buy that so many are ignorant. I think it's a matter of not wanting to face it, because if you face it, what do you do about it?

A sense of powerlessness, victimization, hopelessness sets in = a downtrodden mentality. Not everybody is a fighter. many just give up. And the fat cats love that. They get rich off that ostrich syndrome.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. Yeah, why does JK Rowling have to keep writing books?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:34 AM
Mar 2014

Wasn't she rich enough after the Chamber of Secrets?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
30. The subject of the thread is "tolerating mega-wealth".
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:53 AM
Mar 2014

By continuing to buy JK Rowling's books aren't people continuing to "tolerate her mega-wealth"?

On the same note, perhaps people should boycott sporting events whenever the highest paid athlete is paid a "mega" salary. A major league pitcher can live perfectly well on $1 million per year; why should he be allowed to be paid $20 million per year?

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
26. Don't bash the insanely rich because they use their tax cuts wisely...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:39 AM
Mar 2014

After all, their the ones that insure the campaign coffers of both political parties remain filled with that dirty green stuff that nobody can get enough of, because, the workers that do all the dirty work, or actual labor of creating real wealth could never cum up with enough cash to cover the insanely high cost of winning an election within our pretend democracy.

Besides that, anyone who objects to the modus operandi of insanely rich predators, and their political sock puppets, must be a communist.

unblock

(52,277 posts)
31. greed + fig leaf = incredibly persuasive argument
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:56 AM
Mar 2014

this is what logic people forget when arguing against republicans.

how is it that we always have such logical arguments and sound science and their logic is so feeble and their facts are all wrong and so on and yet we seemingly can't convince anyone of anything?

because they've got greed on their side, and greed lowers the bar for logic. the nuttiest excuse for an argument suddenly sounds quite convincing if you profit from it.


so republicans don't need much of an argument if it sounds like their own personal tax cut is at issue. as far as most republicans are concerned, arguments against corporate welfare just don't make sense because they think any change there means their own personal taxes will go up.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
32. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:12 AM
Mar 2014

The powerful will not willingly give up their power.

moondust

(20,000 posts)
34. "viewed as shameful to be wallowing"
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:51 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

I think there used to be some social stigma that may have had an effect in limiting gluttony, possibly related to it being one of the seven deadly sins of Christianity. Then Reagan and the financialization of the 80s turned that upside down and greed became good, etc.

Now with so many billionaires creating "success inflation," there are probably some psychopaths on Wall Street dreaming of becoming the first trillionaire. It's absurd and destructive.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
37. I didn't use it . . .
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:25 AM
Mar 2014

. . . It happened to be in the essay I shared, and I didn't think it appropriate to edit someone else's work.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
39. So, why re-post stuff with such disparaging comments?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:52 AM
Mar 2014

You could have redacted the derogatory comment and added a comment that you redacted it.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
48. Because I think we're all adults here . . .
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:33 PM
Mar 2014

. . . The comment was not directed to any actual individual, nor was it in any way intended to disparage overweight folks as a group. It was in reference to a hypothetical person being used in the story. I don't believe it is necessary to prettify language to that extent. You obviously disagree, and that's your prerogative.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
46. Because we're still dumb enough to equate wealth with virtue...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:25 PM
Mar 2014

...a lesson the mega-wealthy are careful to reinforce through all the media we let them own.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
47. Oh, and as for Bill Gates...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:29 PM
Mar 2014

He's just another Carnegie and Rockefeller. No one gets that disgustingly rich without fucking people over both on their way and to remain on top (it's a contest). Each turned philanthropic. Douchebags often turn philanthropic. Why you show so much reverence for Bill Gates should be the title of your next thread: "Why do we glorify douchebags once they turn philanthropic?"

Philanthropists love to stick their name on everything.

Here's The Gates Center at, fittingly, Carnegie-Mellon University.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
49. And, the Bill Gates Foundation is trying to dismantle public education...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:53 PM
Mar 2014

"Waiting for Superman" was his charter school propaganda campaign. The entire movie was about Americans not being competitive with the ROW. If you read between the lines: Gates is rationalizing why he won't pay top dollar to American IT workers and engineers. By convincing America that we our education is wonting, he gets cheap labor from overseas. Take it a bit further, he and Apple are in a race to get their products into to schools. Tons of money to be made. Philanthropy, turned propaganda, turned profit motive. I wonder how many Bill Gates Centers there will be???? That Bill Gates, he's a swell guy.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
53. Same question in shorter version...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:59 PM
Mar 2014

How come we pity/disdain the hoarder old lady with the house full of cats and magazines and plastic bags, and the crazy old guy with the 350 junk cars in his pasture, but think of the guys with $30 Billion as people to be honored and emulated?

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
58. Can't find a better alternative.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:05 PM
Mar 2014

Fundamentally setting any type of Wealth Cap. Means people will stop working just prior to reaching the cap. Not a big deal for them but potential trouble for all those around them. Imagine Henry Ford drawing the line at 3000 cars per year. Otherwise he hits the Wealth Cap. When Berkshire Hathaway stopped growing so Buffett never hit the cap etc. Or worse yet the Harvard endowment limited by the Cap. Or a Surgeon deciding between a 14hr surgery for free or not?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
61. Absolutely it is an illness--an addictive illness
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:44 PM
Mar 2014

This is a really excellent article about it from January 2014:

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/cash-hoarding-becomes-addiction-5502

Where are today’s super rich putting all this loot? When they're not hoarding it, a good bit of it is cascading into politics. The Washington Post reported last week that in 2012 the billionaire Koch brothers and their allies stuffed at least $407 million in politically active nonprofits (and didn't even have to disclose their donors.) These rich people want to influence, corrupt and poison our democracy by getting politicians elected who won't tax them.

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But why isn't the top 0.01 percent ever satisfied? Whenever we ask them to pay a little more in taxes, or ask them to pay us a "living wage", they look at us as though we were crazy—as if we were asking them to burn their money, even though they have no other use for their excess cash. It's almost as though they cling to their money like a security blanket, afraid to let go. Besides just narcissism and ethics, do they also have issues with anxiety as well? Let's ask the forensic psychologist Dr. Stephen Diamond:

"Avarice can describe various greedy behaviors such as betrayal or treason for personal gain, hoarding of material things, theft, robbery, and fraudulent schemes such as Bernie Madoff's, designed to dishonestly manipulate others for personal profit...Greed is about never being satisfied with what one has, always wanting and expecting more. It is an insatiable hunger...Addiction is a form of greed. Addicts always want more of what gets them high, gives them pleasure, enables escape from anxiety."

And from the clinical psychologist, Dr. Tian Dayton:

"The person who uses money to mood-alter can have their relationship with money spin out of control; by being overly focused on accumulating it, spending it, hoarding it or using it to control people, places and things... Just as with a drug or alcohol, tolerance increases and they may find themselves needing to devote increasingly larger amounts of time to these activities... Just as is the case with any addict, their preoccupation with money becomes their primary preoccupation and money becomes their primary relationship."

(long article at link)

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66. There was this at the end of the article:
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:39 PM
Mar 2014

perception vs reality on economic distribution

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