Georgia Goes Gun-Crazy: Guns In Bars, Schools, Restaurants, Churches And Airports

[onehandle]

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Georgia has officially gone mad. Mad, I tell you. In all my life I never thought a political party would be so crazy as to put their own constituents in so much jeopardy, but that's what conservatives have done. Every single politician that voted for the "guns everywhere," law will have blood on their hands for every person that falls victim to this new law if it is indeed signed by Gov. Nathan Deal. Georgia legislation passes "Guns Everywhere" law.

Pro- and anti-gun forces do not agree on much, but they do agree on the breathtaking sweep of the Georgia legislation allowing guns in bars, schools, restaurants, churches and airports that is now awaiting the signature of Gov. Nathan Deal. Americans for Responsible Solutions, founded by Gabrielle Giffords, the former Arizona congresswoman who was critically wounded in a mass shooting in 2011, calls it “the most extreme gun bill in America” and the “guns everywhere” legislation. The National Rifle Association, which lobbied for the bill, calls it “the most comprehensive pro-gun” bill in recent state history, and described the vote at the Capitol on Thursday as “a historic victory for the Second Amendment.”

The Sandy Hook massacre has indeed had a dramatic effect on conservatives, but in a demented way.

The bill allows people with a weapons permit to carry loaded guns into bars, as long as they do not consume alcohol — although the bill does not say how that caveat would be enforced. It allows guns in public areas of airports and eliminates criminal charges for permit holders caught with guns at airport security. It authorizes school districts to appoint staff members to carry guns at schools, ostensibly to defend students in case of an attack. It allows felons to claim the Stand Your Ground defense — in which someone who “reasonably believes” his life is in danger has no duty to walk away and may instead shoot to kill. And that is just the beginning.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/03/georgia-goes-gun-crazy-guns-bars-schools

[Jefferson23]

1. Demented does not even begin to cover it. What do they mean a person can carry a loaded gun

into bars as long as they don't consume alcohol?

The bartender is going to now be expected to police a drunk with a gun?

Stupid University graduates, no doubt.

[RC]

48. Sure, that bartender will be glad to not serve that gun totting party animal.

I wonder what the bartender's life expectancy will be when this law takes effect?


We have a clue now.

[geckosfeet]

2. Massachussets, with its fairly strict gun control regulations, permits concealed firearms in

bars and restaurants. Strictly speaking, it is legal to open carry in these venues however that is rarely done these days. And I honestly can't remember the last time a gunfight broke out in a bar or restaurant although I am sure it happens. I mean, with all those concealed guns. And alcohol. And food.

Airports, schools and government offices are off limits though.

[Loudly]

3. Oh Georgia. Foolish, foolish Georgia.

The death spiral continues.

[RebelOne]

38. Yes, and I have to live among all those fools here in Georgia. n/t

[JJChambers]

4. As a non-Georgia resident I am eager to watch from afar

To see how this experiment plays out.

[ballyhoo]

15. Me 2........

I finally bought a gun at 68, but it is useless. The gun laws in California say you have to have a trigger lock on it, keep it in a locked case, and keep the ammunition separate. I put it in another locked case in another part of the house. If someone breaks into my house, I hope he extends me the courtesy of waiting until I find my keys, unlock both cases and the trigger lock, and load the gun. I don't think he'll do that, which makes me dead because my city's police force is nothing more than KGB wannabees who show up at crime scenes to collect fingerprints and take pictures. Takes them about an hour to show--no matter what.

[fbc]

25. same here

It's unfortunate that states that wish to pass much stricter laws aren't given the same chance.

But hey, what can you do? "well regulated militia" obviously implies people should be able to obtain and carry guns wherever they damn well please!

(yes, that last part was sarcasm)

[spanone]

5. insanity.

[HockeyMom]

6. We drive through Georgia a few times a year

on our way from Florida to NY, and get something to eat there. No, thank you. Either eat somewhere at the Florida border, or in SC, from now on.

I hope Florida doesn't try to copy Georgia now. The Gunshine State is bad enoiugh.

[DrDan]

21. there are some terrific restaurants in the Savannah area

Elizabeth's on 37th is simply wonderful - each course in a treat.

Atlanta - great eating.

Of course, if you are stopping on I-95 looking for fine dining . . . .

[HockeyMom]

23. Loved Savannah!

We stayed over the weekend on way up few weeks ago. Great place. Great restaurants, and I don't mean The Lady and Sons. lol LOCAL places that were recommended.

[DrDan]

31. give Elizabeth's on 37 a try next time you are in Savannah

you must book quite a ways in advance, and it is pricey, but worth it.

Elizabeth has moved on, but still fine dining.

http://www.opentable.com/elizabeth-on-37th

[DrDan]

34. this is the other do-not-miss in Savannah

http://mrswilkes.com/

Lunch only, now. And the line starts to form at 10:30. And you have to bus your table once done. And you do not know who you will be eating with.

But a great experience. Mrs Wilkes passed away a few years back, but she was a hands-on owner.

[HockeyMom]

37. Yes,

Definitely. Was going to go there, but didn't because they only serve during lunch. If we go again, maybe I eat that lunch instead of a dinner? Looks like a LOT of food. Too much for me as a simple lunch. lol

[DrDan]

40. exactly - light breakfast - big southern lunch, walk a lot, nap, light dinner, another walk

[HockeyMom]

49. Sounds like a plan when we have more time there

[hatrack]

7. Plenty of dumb here (MO) but nothing like this . . .

[freebrew]

9. Really?

Have you noticed the last bill the (r) state assembly passed? The one that says no federal laws regulating the 2nd amendment will be recognized and that a federal lawman can be arrested by state patrol for attempting to enforce such federal laws? I know it won't pass constitutional muster, but really? I want a rocket launcher...!

I'm in the ozarks...

[gordianot]

10. Please consider MO State Senator Brian Nieves.

They introduced a bill to nullify Federal ATF oversight in MO making it illegal for federal agents to enforce fire arms regulations. This is clearly secession papers the only buffer is MO Governor Jay Nixon. Nieves has dropped out of his Mo primary but the crazy is firmly entrenched in Missouri.

[hobbit709]

8. They're trying to outdo TX in stupid.

And with what we got here that takes major effort.

[calimary]

11. Gone mad, alright.

What. The. Fuck???? Guns in BARS???? Dear God! Just what we want - guns and alcohol in close proximity. GREAT. And when the police are called, how are they gonna know who's the "good guy with a gun" and who's the "bad guy with a gun" if they have to walk in another neighborhood Shootout at the OK Corral?

[AtheistCrusader]

20. You're still not allowed to imbibe alcohol while carrying.

I don't drink. I carry. I have occasion to enter bars. Eating. Designated driver. Etc. I've met family there out of the blue, to have lunch.

My options are leave the gun in the car, or carry. I don't like leaving it in the car, because it might get stolen.
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4141486.html

[Demo_Chris]

12. Oh my! But then, gun-phobic vapors aside, it will probably be okay. nt

[alp227]

28. Gun-phobic? Really? Nt

[LanternWaste]

52. Always best to trivialize those who disagree with you via the mechanism of petulant name-calling...

Always best to trivialize those who disagree with you via the mechanism of petulant name-calling... at least for the third-grader crowd lacking a firm premise or conclusion. Hopefully, even the adults eventually leave grade school...

(insert rationalization here...)

[Solly Mack]

13. Well, I'll be watching the headlines.

[L0oniX]

14. Experimenting with lead ...and it's not a chemistry lab.

[toby jo]

16. Hmm, with the 'guns everywhere law', we'll have this many dead, and with the

'no guns anywhere', we'll have no people dead.

This here'd be a tough one.

[alp227]

29. But won't mass shooters target gun free zones?

So say right wing media! But your post is a bit too binary.

[aikoaiko]

17. Guns In Bars, Schools, Restaurants, Churches And Airports Oh My!!!!1!!

[Glorfindel]

18. I'm so ashamed of my native state.

Even Mississippi, where I currently reside, hasn't gone quite that insane.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. All of these things are true of Washington State except schools.

You can carry in a restaurant as long as you don't enter the 21 and over bar section.
You can carry at the airport, up to the secured areas. Passenger pickup/dropoff, all the way up to the line to the metal detectors.
You can carry in churches, though, if a church has a policy against it, and you do, you'd be trespassing.


Are these a problem in Washington? Have we gone mad? This is just the way it's always been here. (Solidly blue state too)

[mountain grammy]

22. The NRA is bribing these state legislators, it's that simple

but it's the innocents who will take the hit. Will the "majority of Georgians" who oppose this craziness will realize they are not benefiting from the NRA bribes.

[TRoN33]

24. Airports?

Are Georgians that high even if they're not being drugged by Schedule I substances? I have no doubt that Governor already has intention to sign this bill into the law.

I'll never go to Georgia, ever in my lifetime.

[dilby]

26. Maybe wait and see what happens.

If nothing happens no harm done, if someone shoots up a bar then you can say I told you so.

[Hoyt]

30. I disagree. Ignorant, bigoted yahoos carrying gunz everywhere is bad for environment/society. n/t

It's just further indication of how the white wing's elected representatives in Georgia are stuck in the stupidity that put folks like Lester Maddox in office and made racist Neil Boortz a local media hero.

[dilby]

32. I disagree.

I have not seen any hard evidence that says this law will be bad for the environment or society. I see a lot of emotional comments with no facts to back them up. Letting this run it's course will be the best option, if the law is wrong we will find out soon enough with an increase in shootings. If nothing happens then the law is fine.

[Hoyt]

35. Sorry, there is plenty of evidence that coddling bigoted gun fanciers degrades society.

Time to start letting NRA, and callous bigoted folks like this know they need to change their ways:





Yahoos line up outside gun show drooling over chance to fondle assault style weapons one week after Sandy Hook:




Gun manufacturers sending the wrong message to attract yahoos to their products:

[dilby]

39. Are you afraid of white people with guns?

I am not, as misguided as they are there they have not been shooting up neighborhoods, bars and everything you want to portray them as doing. So what some white guys like to hold guns and shoot them, when they start shooting up people I will get concerned till then I rather spend my time on things that actually do affect us.

[Hoyt]

42. I've learned it's not worth my time responding to gun fanciers. Zimmerman and Dunn are enough

evidence for me. I guess you find them fine law-abiding gun owners. Enjoy your gunz.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

50. Please don't let things like trifling facts interrupt racially inflammatory posts.

[beevul]

55. A person who judges an entire

A person who passes judgement on over 100 million people based on the conduct of 2 people...really has no business calling others ignorant or bigoted.

[Raffi Ella]

33. this bit of the article gives me hope that it won't pass-

"The bill was opposed
not only by gun-
control groups, but also
by the state’s police
chiefs association and
restaurant association,
Episcopal and Catholic
churches, and the
federal Transportation
Security Administration.
A majority of Georgians
also opposed it,
according to several
polls."

[groundloop]

27. I'm going to thank my tea-bagger state rep for approving this bill

This is exactly what our public schools have been needing, a shot in the arm so to speak. Never mind that my daughter's school can't afford science or math books for the kids to bring home and STUDY (who cares about studying science and math anyway). I'm certain that our schools will now be just grand now that guns are allowed. I'll also suggest that they make better use of the space being wasted by chemistry labs and turn them into pistol ranges, that'll much better prepare our kids for adulthood here.

[Hoyt]

36. That's the real issue, these ignorant legislators spent most their time on crud like this, when

so much important stuff went addressed.

[Mr Dixon]

41. SMH

Crossing GA off my Bucket list…LOL just joking I never plan to visit the south ever.

[cordelia]

43. Good.

[cordelia]

44. Lunacy.

[Tsiyu]

45. Georgia politicians, as in most of the South

don't want to do anything positive for their citizens, because that might mean the rich fucks can't get even richer.

So they let them have guns - like a parent who gives the kid a lollipop because he/she doesn't want to make lunch.

I honestly think the legislators in the South are hoping the gun-humpers will shoot all the poor not yet incarcerated in the CCA prisons.




"Education? Health care? Jobs? Nah. We'll jest give 'em GUNZ and PRISONZ!!!!!! " say the Georgia legislators....so damned sad

[VScott]

47. Actions have consequences

Or perhaps it should read, overreactions have consequences.

This recent article, sums it up pretty accurately.

How to Understand Georgia's 'Guns Everywhere' Law: Four Blunt Points

Georgia appears poised to enact a so-called guns-everywhere law, making it easier for firearm permit holders to take their weapons into bars, churches, and even airports. Approved last week by the state legislature, the bill awaits the signature of
Republican Governor Nathan Deal, a strong gun-rights advocate up for reelection this fall. His opponent, Jason Carter, a Democratic state senator and grandson of former President Jimmy Carter, voted for the legislation, so enactment seems assured.

Non-gun owners doubtless find all this baffling. Here are four blunt points to sort out what’s going on and how to respond:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-25/how-to-understand-georgias-guns-everywhere-law-four-blunt-points#r=most%20popular

These two observations alone are why gun control advocates continue to fail unless they get their act together...

1) The Newtown school massacre led to “guns everywhere.” Perverse as it may sound, the horrific mass shooting in December 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary produced a burst of state-level gun control bills around the country and then triggered a much stronger pro-gun backlash. The counter-reaction has now reached its apogee in Georgia. In the past year alone, 21 states have enacted laws expanding gun rights, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

2 ) At present (and maybe always), the intensity of pro-gun passion exceeds that of anti-gun passion.

[ZombieHorde]

51. I hope some statistical data concerning gun violence

comes out over the next few years to see what happens.

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. How about they allow them in govt buildings!

[Blue_In_AK]

54. They've got a bill in the Alaska legislature

to allow guns on university campuses. What could possibly go wrong? It must be the ALEC issue du jour.

[Purveyor]

56. Locking.

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Thanks.