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ProSense (116,464 posts)

Constantly referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is expected of a RW racist.

It should not be acceptable on a site promoting Democrats.

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Constantly referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is expected of a RW racist. (Original post)	ProSense	Mar 2014	OP
Or an immature cry for attention.	sufrommich	Mar 2014	#1
That's my take as well	LordGlenconner	Mar 2014	#63
^^That	Orrex	Mar 2014	#104
There is something wrong, and his 'friends' should have a talkie with him privately	Whisp	Mar 2014	#107
Exactly!	Andy823	Mar 2014	#205
I told everyone that cynicism makes people hateful and bitter.	JaneyVee	Mar 2014	#279
Precisely.	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#332
..	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#643
Rightwing racists	randys1	Mar 2014	#376
Welcome	wryter2000	Mar 2014	#425
I don't believe the people on DU who don't like Obama	passiveporcupine	Mar 2014	#433
...	randys1	Mar 2014	#440
Welcome to DU, randys1!	calimary	Mar 2014	#663
thanks	randys1	Mar 2014	#685
I thought whining about DU violated the SOP. These hateful threads arent going	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#427
This thread isn't "whining about DU." It's taking issue with a characterization of the POTUS. nt	MADem	Mar 2014	#482
Ah yes, "taking issue" not whining. Sadly, I think you believe it. nm	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#492
It's not about "believing" anything--it is about being able to read and write	MADem	Mar 2014	#505
Whining about DU is "I dont like that someone posted something that isnt positive	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#511
Thanks for so eagerly proving my point. You're pretending that "DU" is synonymous with	MADem	Mar 2014	#596
Excellent points, MADem..	Cha	Mar 2014	#599
I read that ToS every now and again!	MADem	Mar 2014	#605
Here, hear, MADem. nt	Hekate	Mar 2014	#612
Why, thank you! nt	MADem	Mar 2014	#613
Nailed it. nt	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#640
This OP is intended to stir up trouble and it's one of a dozen or so lately	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#664
Ahhhh....I see what you're saying!! YOU are entitled to express an opinion--but I'm not!	MADem	Mar 2014	#676
I must admit I've been bothered by that "piece of shit used car salesman" bit ever since I saw it.	calimary	Mar 2014	#674
I agree with you. He's not the enemy; he's a guy doing a tough job with a House that has	MADem	Mar 2014	#677
Indeed....	MADem	Mar 2014	#481
That was a bullshit hide. n/t	one_voice	Mar 2014	#501
Concur completely. Times like this, I wish Skinner could "undo" grievous errors like that.	MADem	Mar 2014	#507
Rec'd. Don't see much in the other threads that show anyone gives a flying fuck about people...	freshwest	Mar 2014	#569
+1 nt	steve2470	Mar 2014	#589
I love that quote there.	Jamaal510	Mar 2014	#606
The fact that post was hidden while the unhinged spittle flecked stupidity that lead to it was not	Number23	Mar 2014	#510
Yes, ma'am. I think you nailed it!	MADem	Mar 2014	#590
nailed it	steve2470	Mar 2014	#591
Just Rec It, thanks. Wow.. that was a Bullshit hide. The real used car salesman	Cha	Mar 2014	#519
It's intended to SELL BOOKS and Webclicks to Blogs/Websites	itsrobert	Mar 2014	#524
Much like the glenn greenwald bullshit	Cha	Mar 2014	#601
yep no reward nt	steve2470	Mar 2014	#588
It's Republicans that are used car salesman.	louis-t	Mar 2014	#2
wasn't issa a used car saleman at one time? nt	hopemountain	Mar 2014	#412
He was a car thief....	louis-t	Mar 2014	#417
I disagree...no racial overtones at all in this...however, calling Barbara Lee	joeybee12	Mar 2014	#3
Equally BS, and typical of RW racists. Both uncalled for. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#6
You could say calling Obama a used car salesman is insulting,	joeybee12	Mar 2014	#22
It's despicable name calling, and on the level of what a RW racist would do.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#26
Yes, name calling is despicable	JackInGreen	Mar 2014	#51
It's borderline racist IMO	brush	Mar 2014	#108
Agree 100% with your post!	3Stones	Mar 2014	#218
How is "piece of shit used car salesman" racist at all or even borderline?	TheKentuckian	Mar 2014	#315
You may not find it offensive and borderline racist . . .	brush	Mar 2014	#325
but have you ever sold used cars?	grasswire	Mar 2014	#331
But what about "piece of shit used car salesman" . . .	brush	Mar 2014	#349
Mmmmm. Perhaps you're painting w. a broad... ahem... brush here.	Smarmie Doofus	Mar 2014	#369
Perhaps, but IMO the brush isn't that broad.	brush	Mar 2014	#378
The mere fact that they're insulting Obama in ways they never would a white President	wryter2000	Mar 2014	#428
Why do you think I'm white because I won't jump on the call anyone racist as a casual defense	TheKentuckian	Mar 2014	#678
No casual defense IMO	brush	Mar 2014	#686
I think all kinds of motherfuckers are pieces of shit and worse and have said so	TheKentuckian	Mar 2014	#688
You made some good points . . .	brush	Mar 2014	#689
Probably because it resembles a remark made by Ted Nugent recently.	bravenak	Mar 2014	#328
why would ANYBODY listen to Ted Nugent?	grasswire	Mar 2014	#393
It gets posted here.	bravenak	Mar 2014	#406
People (especially politicians) have been compared to used car salesmen since Nugent was thought of.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2014	#611
It was in regard to Dick Nixon: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" because he looked shifty	Hekate	Mar 2014	#615
Are you saying folks were racist for comparing Dick Nixon to a used car salesman?	TheKentuckian	Mar 2014	#668
"serial ranter"	grasswire	Mar 2014	#327
I mean going off more than once on a preferred target nt	brush	Mar 2014	#363
Yeah, a rw site is jerking off to the full blown used car hateon..	Cha	Mar 2014	#572
Very much the same as the GOP did on all the same subjects. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#587
I don't think they are saying that the term is racist.	whopis01	Mar 2014	#221
WTF is going on here?	brush	Mar 2014	#237
this op is in resposne to the most recent used car salesman thread...	joeybee12	Mar 2014	#240
I read the original "piece of shit used car salesman" thread	brush	Mar 2014	#282
There was a new one today...	joeybee12	Mar 2014	#370
A new one by Pitt?	brush	Mar 2014	#380
Google images on Obama is full of conservatives calling him a POS. This ain't rocket science. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#619
+1000 n/t	wryter2000	Mar 2014	#431
Thanks brush	Cha	Mar 2014	#633
I agree..	one_voice	Mar 2014	#410
'Used car salesman' is not a racial epithet.	earthside	Mar 2014	#418
Prosense is legitimizing RW stereotypes about liberals.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#27
Nonsense. Name calling isn't "criticism." n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#45
But the OP with the unsavory title	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#222
Why are you repeating a right wing taking point	alp227	Mar 2014	#143
Why are you supporting a false accusation of racism?	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#155
Can't answer my question, so reply with a loaded question.nt	alp227	Mar 2014	#170
This thread is about Will Pitts use of the term "used car salesman" and if it is racist.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#183
Simply using that term about obama is not racist. BUT such terms appeal to racists.	alp227	Mar 2014	#287
The tone is IDENTICAL to RW sites. That's why they're LOVING that OP. They know it. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#603
Who played the race card here in this thread?	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#226
The OP implied calling Obama a "used car salesman" is racist.	alp227	Mar 2014	#295
can you cite any reference to the term as being racist?	frylock	Mar 2014	#424
Yes, continuously since 2008. Certain levels of abuse are racist. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#600
Another winger meme	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#190
Exactly...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#191
+1. Calling the president a used car salesman is overboard	Ishoutandscream2	Mar 2014	#158
Where, in the post you're referring to, the is the RW or Racist part?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#4
No willful ignorance, please	ProSense	Mar 2014	#10
I repeat, where in the post, is the racist or RW parts?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#14
I repeat: The label and constant use of it is what RW racists do. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#29
Are you then accusing him of being a RW Racist?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#36
The evidence has already been presented...	cheapdate	Mar 2014	#73
Did referring to Richard Nixon as a "used car salesman" make one a RW racist?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#82
As I recall, the line about Nixon was "Would you buy a used car from this man?"	thucythucy	Mar 2014	#112
But, was it racist? Was "tricky dick" racist?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#115
Was it racist? I don't think so. Nt.	thucythucy	Mar 2014	#121
clarification, I think, in order to avoid further unnecessary squabbling	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#133
Will was talking about Obama's lame defense of the Iraq war.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#148
ok we disagree. I view Obama, and his statements, differently.	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#169
Your chonology is off	brush	Mar 2014	#261
I googled Obama used car salesman to see how many	giftedgirl77	Mar 2014	#296
"he is employing the same tactic used by such folks"	redqueen	Mar 2014	#299
So it's actually left wing and not racist? nt	ZombieHorde	Mar 2014	#146
Ding! Vanity thread alert	Doctor_J	Mar 2014	#229
The proposition in the OP had nothing whatsoever to do with Richard Nixon,	cheapdate	Mar 2014	#445
Hate to tell you this, but independents outnumber both of the establishment parties.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#514
I agree completely	cheapdate	Mar 2014	#541
if it quacks like a Ted Nugent....	Whisp	Mar 2014	#123
You show an incredibly poor understanding of logic.	CBGLuthier	Mar 2014	#269
...and you show a poor understanding how truth and language	cheapdate	Mar 2014	#419
along the lines of the labeling and constant use of the term "hater"	DrDan	Mar 2014	#171
I'd like to know as well.	Union Scribe	Mar 2014	#20
Nope. That is exactly what is going on just look at the replies.	Rex	Mar 2014	#110
Ted Nugent is a known shitball racist and he uses piece of shit to describe the President as well	Whisp	Mar 2014	#128
Will-ful ignorance?	Jackpine Radical	Mar 2014	#38
Yes, and the point is made. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#39
willfully ignoring the diversity of used car	Supersedeas	Mar 2014	#223
Calling our Democratic President that, is not only right wing, it doesn't belong on DEMOCRATIC	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2014	#478
Authoritarian much?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#508
You clearly need to read the Mission Statement of DU nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2014	#509
Maybe he'll reverse himself in 24 business hours.	randome	Mar 2014	#5
...	Richardo	Mar 2014	#7
oh my ... that is gonna leave a mark. nt	littlewolf	Mar 2014	#15
You would think so, wouldn't you?	randome	Mar 2014	#33
THIS	redqueen	Mar 2014	#304
LOL. Used to have a great deal of respect for that one.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2014	#179
Even after the last tantrum, I had respect for Pitt. Since it involved his wife, I cut some slack>>>	KittyWampus	Mar 2014	#192
No more tantrums for me. He's now on my "Ignore" list. It's very refreshing.	kysrsoze	Mar 2014	#244
I think the board's other well known ranter was getting more attention. Vying for position is hard,	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2014	#273
Post removed	Post removed	Mar 2014	#212
It's a non-partisan reference to a salesman of bad products...	polichick	Mar 2014	#8
Vote Democrat, and get New Improved SUBPOENA POWER!	Maedhros	Mar 2014	#535
That's basically it.	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#582
so did you alert?	hfojvt	Mar 2014	#9
It's okay, though, to call	lillypaddle	Mar 2014	#25
no, name calling is generally unproductive	hfojvt	Mar 2014	#80
I don't think it's necessarily racist.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#11
although I've never called him that and wouldn't- codswallop to your absurd claim	cali	Mar 2014	#12
Nothing "absurd" about the claim, which is why you're distancing yourself from the label.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#17
all those RW racists who made the used car salesman analogy against Nixon?	reddread	Mar 2014	#35
What utter silliness. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#43
calling someone a racist is not silly	reddread	Mar 2014	#53
And the jury results are in...	aikoaiko	Mar 2014	#147
It is not possible to have stricter rules about supporting Democrats	Whisp	Mar 2014	#161
I assume you mean "Pilate"? nt	grasswire	Mar 2014	#342
No, I mean Pilot. Sky Pilot. Can you beer me, Major Tom? n/t	Whisp	Mar 2014	#351
The line about Nixon was	thucythucy	Mar 2014	#308
no it's not. and I'll thank you to try not to attribute motives to me when YOU have no	cali	Mar 2014	#62
what I see here is a bunch of people misunderstanding each other.	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#149
Don't forget the cheapo sports jacket	hootinholler	Mar 2014	#55
It's racist	AlbertCat	Mar 2014	#134
and who else calls the Pres these sorts of names: Ted Nugent.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#258
how the fuck can it be interpreted as such?	frylock	Mar 2014	#426
heh	alp227	Mar 2014	#157
This message was self-deleted by its author	brush	Mar 2014	#220
I prefer the term	sharp_stick	Mar 2014	#13
trying to shut up critics with FALSE claims of racism is contemptible	cali	Mar 2014	#16
Constantly referring to the President as a "used car salesman" is not about "critics"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#24
I haven't ever referred to him by that phrase	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2014	#61
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#91
bottoming out	reddread	Mar 2014	#30
It's contemptible. It doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty to cover	cali	Mar 2014	#67
It would require "intellectual honesty" to acknowledge the point, and not attempt to distort it. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#77
completely contemptible. Is there really any standards of decency here?	reddread	Mar 2014	#88
''Is there really any standards of decency here?''	Whisp	Mar 2014	#139
There used to be....	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#463
It's also race-baiting. And carefully tailored to juuuuuust	DirkGently	Mar 2014	#130
quite right.	cali	Mar 2014	#217
It's very "RW" to rely on cutesy tailoring as well.	DirkGently	Mar 2014	#250
The same tactics the right used to try to sell the war.	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#584
This to me show the jurors made a huge mistake . . .	brush	Mar 2014	#277
I can't agree that will's op should have been hidden	cali	Mar 2014	#289
The first time	brush	Mar 2014	#313
That's called "The Heckler's veto."	DirkGently	Mar 2014	#292
"Flypaper" OP's	OnyxCollie	Mar 2014	#494
It's a good thing GD is now the new META.	Rex	Mar 2014	#18
It reveals a simplistic perspective of things, that's for sure.	JNelson6563	Mar 2014	#19
Absolutely, it just shows how immature and pathetic the attention seeker is.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#21
+1	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#57
Oh come on! The attempts to diagram that sentence would have made Sister Polycarp,	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#174
'Polycarp'?	randome	Mar 2014	#323
Know your martyrs......	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#324
I used to hate that sentence diagramming stuff--I don't know if they make the kids do that any more!	MADem	Mar 2014	#610
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	okaawhatever	Mar 2014	#177
Could someone clue us in on the "24 Business Hour" ... it's been in some other threads	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#193
When truthout ran the Karl Rove is Indicted! story in May of 2006	Whisp	Mar 2014	#211
thx! lets me know WP has always shown this pattern of behavior	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#232
always. Which make me think he and Greenwald make a good team.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#248
Makes one go hmmmmmmm....	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#255
That poster's problem was solved in 24 hours	jeff47	Mar 2014	#231
ah... the medicine thing that got 150+ recs	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#235
no, karl rove was supposed to be indicted within 24 hours... when that didn't happen, it changed to	dionysus	Mar 2014	#360
That's my take as well.	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#345
...	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#441
You win the thread! n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#604
Couldn't agree more.	IrishAyes	Mar 2014	#23
I had an uncle that was a used car salesman and he had integrity...	Whisp	Mar 2014	#28
Yes, it's a personally demeaning slur that implies the writer	pnwmom	Mar 2014	#31
I think he is worried about his job...With election season coming up	snooper2	Mar 2014	#32
There is a connection between truthout and Glenn Greenwald.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#151
interesting, the more we know	snooper2	Mar 2014	#167
I figured there was an agenda behind the recent anti-Obama rants and it was ...	Spazito	Mar 2014	#284
can we rename it Toothout? That was Painful to watch.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#276
How about	Cha	Mar 2014	#623
Is "used car salesman" a racist remark? (nt)	Glassunion	Mar 2014	#34
anything directed towards Obama that isn't painted in a positive light is now racist..	frylock	Mar 2014	#430
Oh, no no, it's cool, He's taking it back	krawhitham	Mar 2014	#484
Bullshit.	Octafish	Mar 2014	#37
No, it's not "bullshit"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#42
Calling someone a used car salesman has nothing to do with racism.	Enthusiast	Mar 2014	#405
Amazing how easy it is for you to call someone a racist. n-t	Logical	Mar 2014	#468
unless they do the same things as the label right? I mean, walk like a duck talk like a duck?	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#195
The OP survived a jury.	William769	Mar 2014	#40
Yours did not......good! n-t	Logical	Mar 2014	#469
I don't mind taking one for the team for such a worthy cause.	William769	Mar 2014	#479
No one gave a shit about your post. It was sinking like a rock. lol. nt	Logical	Mar 2014	#483
It bothered someone enough to alert on it.	William769	Mar 2014	#487
Oh that one got a nerve touched! thanks for taking	Cha	Mar 2014	#523
Thanks. Looks like someone is away licking his wounds.	William769	Mar 2014	#543
Love Wins, William..	Cha	Mar 2014	#553
Oh yeah.. it's still getting Recs and it's locked.	Cha	Mar 2014	#521
I did!	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#577
Yuck.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#580
You just pointed out exactly what the problem on DU is. You think you're on a different "team" than	cui bono	Mar 2014	#632
Was it racist when we called Nixon a used car salesman?	The Second Stone	Mar 2014	#41
I immediately thought of the question always asked about Tricky Dick ...	Zen Democrat	Mar 2014	#68
Yes, well, we are really old	The Second Stone	Mar 2014	#109
is anyone going to explain how the term "used car salesman" is racist?	G_j	Mar 2014	#44
Well,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#52
impressive dance steps	G_j	Mar 2014	#59
Just because you repeat something over and over again doesn't make it true.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2014	#78
"Most racists are no doubt calling the President far more insulting things."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#89
That's a better reply than you gave other folks, at least.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2014	#100
So, you can't explain how it's racist	leftstreet	Mar 2014	#154
I can't "explain" the point to anyone who can't seem to get it. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#159
Is 'used car salesman' associated with skin color?	leftstreet	Mar 2014	#166
Isn't this only the second time the term has been used?	arcane1	Mar 2014	#227
No.	Cha	Mar 2014	#608
We expect racists	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#283
No one claimed that the term is racist.	whopis01	Mar 2014	#364
K & R, this should not be on DU, joining in with RW noise should be left to FOX.	Thinkingabout	Mar 2014	#46
What if he gets a job at Car Max?	hootinholler	Mar 2014	#47
Op # of posts 113,961	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#48
And Prosense does lots of research in his post, quiet accomolished.	Thinkingabout	Mar 2014	#165
Yep, I'll bet almost like it's a team at work	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#337
Why are being critical?	Thinkingabout	Mar 2014	#348
Go do some research of the op anti-snowden posts...	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#358
I have researched, find the pro-Snowden misinformed on several areas	Thinkingabout	Mar 2014	#366
I don't think the OP is what it presents itself to be.	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#387
and what is that, anyway? some sort of portal?	reddread	Mar 2014	#437
114,031 posts and counting in 3064 days	reddread	Mar 2014	#442
Yawn	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#462
Lol! Better than yours	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#636
lol	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#641
Who's constantly doing that?	Iggo	Mar 2014	#49
You should probably stay out of political discussions if you are too thin skinned	dilby	Mar 2014	#50
Would be better to leave the RW-style attacks out of a site supporting Democrats. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#56
When the Primaries begin your head is going to explode.	dilby	Mar 2014	#95
No, it will not, and I'm certain a lot of the despicable name calling will be checked. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#129
This site has ALWAYS allowed criticism of Democrats.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#125
Depicable name calling is not "criticism" n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#132
Either is false accusations of racism.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#136
Neither is distorting my point,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#140
I got EXACTLY the point you were making.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#145
"All kinds if tactics are associated with the right-wing."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#185
"Despicable and gratuitous"	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#215
+1	BlackAndBeyond	Mar 2014	#397
Well stated, dilby	DevineBovine	Mar 2014	#394
Welcome to DU!	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#467
Welcome to DU!	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#466
He's been so far over the top lately that I've...	MANative	Mar 2014	#54
I have to agree	solara	Mar 2014	#65
I'm doing the same thing. n/t	ColesCountyDem	Mar 2014	#118
My sentiments exactly.	GoCubsGo	Mar 2014	#122
This thread should be an embarassment to us all. nt	Demo_Chris	Mar 2014	#58
No, "embarassment" in speaking the truth. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#60
But what you are saying is not the truth.	RandoLoodie	Mar 2014	#71
Ah, but it is. Welcome to DU. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#75
Unwavering, irrational devotion to any politician is servile	RandoLoodie	Mar 2014	#76
Again, welcome to DU. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#79
Good Lord	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#135
This one has a theme song:	Common Sense Party	Mar 2014	#138
Conflating opinion with truth is what RW racists do...	LanternWaste	Mar 2014	#92
Is that true or is it your opinion?	ProSense	Mar 2014	#102
The embarassment is who this thread is about.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#168
With the added embarrassment	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#290
+++ Hard times ahead toward the midterms.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#306
A lot of Nugenty talk here. Feels like... RW team spirit! n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#616
When your material becomes indistinguishable from	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#64
+1,000!	freshwest	Mar 2014	#620
Referring to critics of President Obama as "RW racists" is expected of a zealot.	rug	Mar 2014	#66
+1	reddread	Mar 2014	#99
And the "Rec'ing" crew will be out in full force.	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#69
I understand you adore the president, but you undermine real complaints of racism by	Marr	Mar 2014	#70
No one is "crying wolf"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#81
Two posts make a trend?	LanternWaste	Mar 2014	#94
"attempting to justify despicable name calling"	tkmorris	Mar 2014	#113
? n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#119
I really don't think you are confused Pro	tkmorris	Mar 2014	#127
False accusations of racism delegitimize real victims of racism.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#98
exactly	frylock	Mar 2014	#432
Name calling name calling seems unproductive.	dogman	Mar 2014	#72
So you're claiming that used car salemen are likely to be black?	polichick	Mar 2014	#74
I don't like the comment myself	BainsBane	Mar 2014	#83
Overreaction.	Rex	Mar 2014	#101
It is	ProSense	Mar 2014	#111
Here's the thing ProSense	JustAnotherGen	Mar 2014	#84
This place is long overdue for a good flea bath. nt	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#103
n/t	JustAnotherGen	Mar 2014	#114
+1,000,000,000,000	redqueen	Mar 2014	#317
Resorting to ridiculous and mean comparisons regarding our president is what Rumsfeld just did.	mountain grammy	Mar 2014	#85
bullshit	Trajan	Mar 2014	#86
Some forebearance wouldn't be a bad thing	HereSince1628	Mar 2014	#87
Oh, I disagree.	malthaussen	Mar 2014	#90
Personally, I think this thread is more divisive than the one you are referring to.	corkhead	Mar 2014	#93
Thats exactly what this thread was designed to do. Look at all the op's threads, the major ones	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#637
Skinner's reply to him.	uppityperson	Mar 2014	#96
Yeah, I especially notice the part where Skinner accuses him of	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#141
Oh. eom	uppityperson	Mar 2014	#156
No, Skinner is far too gracious for that.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#173
Skinner's other comment to him on the same thread...	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#500
Not seeing him accusing Pitt of using right-wing racist tactics there, either.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#506
The OP subject line up above does not call any DUer a racist	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#516
There's a reason the OP said right-wing racist instead of just right-winger.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#585
Mr. Pitt used a hurtful phrase to describe the President.	DontTreadOnMe	Mar 2014	#512
And that was a level-headed and reasonable post	Union Scribe	Mar 2014	#634
Skinner's other comment to him...	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#495
In my experience racists use very different language to describe President Obama.	Solly Mack	Mar 2014	#97
Dial it back. Not everything you disagree with is racist.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2014	#105
No, and	ProSense	Mar 2014	#116
"Denounced?" Sure, how about "I disagree."	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2014	#126
I made my point. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#137
I agree. To call one of our own a name, or to attach a descriptive negative label to their	Ninga	Mar 2014	#160
It's "reflexive" lableling, maybe that'll help people understand how KKKons act when they are	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#201
While I find the use of the phrase "used car salesman" in reference to	MineralMan	Mar 2014	#106
Kick and REC!	itsrobert	Mar 2014	#117
Really?	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#131
Ding Ding Ding	iandhr	Mar 2014	#120
I just noticed something.	Wait Wut	Mar 2014	#124
The replies rather suck, but yes, she is.	BuelahWitch	Mar 2014	#189
Because it boosts her post count...not because she has anything legitimate to say...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#202
Right...	Wait Wut	Mar 2014	#216
Right indeed.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#294
time for DU to start charging for excess bandwidth use. nt	grasswire	Mar 2014	#347
Um...how do you think she got the post count that high...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#407
Probably...	Wait Wut	Mar 2014	#413
hundreds of times per day..	frylock	Mar 2014	#435
You don't win some sort of prize for having a high post count. It doesn't mean anything.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#556
I'll take 'blue links' and facts to snark anyday of the week. But that's just me. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#624
Actual fact trumps opinions and feelings every time.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#638
Yes, much like the power of science instead of superstition. Somedays, that's what it seems. nt	freshwest	Mar 2014	#642
I'd guess about 40% of those posts	Union Scribe	Mar 2014	#635
Yep. She doesn't toss a grenade and run. (nt)	jeff47	Mar 2014	#249
Exactly! nt	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#420
While it is expected of RW racists, it is not racist in itself.	NCTraveler	Mar 2014	#142
Seconded. nt	AverageJoe90	Mar 2014	#385
I do not understand his vitriol. It's bizarre.	byronius	Mar 2014	#144
Kick...	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#150
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#152
the point being,why use ANY PHRASES at ALL (names, titles, remarks, slurs, etc)	Ninga	Mar 2014	#172
unsurprisingly, they actually hate it when people call him "Barack Obama"	MisterP	Mar 2014	#305
…let's downgrade Pres. Obama because what I really feel passionate about, I can't talk…..	Tikki	Mar 2014	#153
I was waiting for this	BuelahWitch	Mar 2014	#162
Total, complete, and utter BULLSHIT...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#163
Why do it at all? Once, twice, who cares, why at all?	Ninga	Mar 2014	#175
Why? Because no-one should be immune from criticism...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#181
Name calling is not criticism.	bravenak	Mar 2014	#262
No, not "bullshit"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#178
So are you sticking with your assertion that Will Pitt is a RW racist?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#272
Oh dear God - those blue links.	840high	Mar 2014	#253
Oh dear God - reading and shit.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#474
Since I don't bother with	840high	Mar 2014	#522
Unsurprising, really.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#528
I bother with facts not spin - hate	840high	Mar 2014	#529
I can see that.	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#530
I agree	EC	Mar 2014	#164
I totally agree. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2014	#176
What similar insults were/are directed toward Clinton?	redqueen	Mar 2014	#180
"Slick Willie" for one	BuelahWitch	Mar 2014	#184
That's more of a mildly insulting nickname. Not even in the same ballpark IMO. nt	redqueen	Mar 2014	#247
also it was republicans attack on Clinton, so people are justifying attacks on Obama by so called	JI7	Mar 2014	#359
Strange, isn't it?	redqueen	Mar 2014	#362
Given that Republicans sign up on DU, pretend to be Dems, speak out against Obama...	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2014	#182
I don't understand your point.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#207
I don't think that was an accusation but honestly, he's helping them with their mission.	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#310
And Left wing racists	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2014	#186
Yep....I don't know if you remember the watermelon and chicken threads last month....	Cali_Democrat	Mar 2014	#203
I remember those	JustAnotherGen	Mar 2014	#465
"I see you Mr. Fish Eating former Republican." Oh girl, we ALL see him.	Number23	Mar 2014	#533
I remember that! winks at Number 23. n/t	freshwest	Mar 2014	#627
Speaking of that and I won't post the pic. An OP on terrorizing gays in Russia had guess what?	freshwest	Mar 2014	#625
This message was self-deleted by its author	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#187
AMEN!!!	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#188
Constantly deflecting criticism of the administration is expected of a paid shill.	Gormy Cuss	Mar 2014	#194
I agree 100%	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#197
The car salesman thing is not "criticism"	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#199
Bullshit. It is a valid comparison of a man who said one thing, and then did the opposite..	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#206
We disagree. Now what?	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#300
It's hyperbole.	Gormy Cuss	Mar 2014	#209
True, but if you think conservative like reflexive name calling is "criticism" then that's NOT true	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#204
I think that some DUers hold no quarter for criticism of the president	Gormy Cuss	Mar 2014	#210
Profiles in courage. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#230
+1	Marr	Mar 2014	#355
Lying right wing racist fucks post blue links all the time.	DisgustipatedinCA	Mar 2014	#489
I agree that it's not acceptable but...	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#196
It is	ProSense	Mar 2014	#208
These are the same people that called Bubba a Rogue Scholar	d_legendary1	Mar 2014	#224
and they called him BUBBA	grasswire	Mar 2014	#357
They didn't call him Bubba	d_legendary1	Mar 2014	#388
so did the VRWC after that...	grasswire	Mar 2014	#392
If you don;t find it	840high	Mar 2014	#496
Are used car salesman stereotypically African American?	vi5	Mar 2014	#198
It may be immature...	awoke_in_2003	Mar 2014	#200
Maybe, maybe not	CFLDem	Mar 2014	#213
You mean like twice?	Rex	Mar 2014	#219
Well since 'sparingly' is a measure of frequency	CFLDem	Mar 2014	#234
I do understand that it is a tactic of the RWing to repeat a lie over and over.	Rex	Mar 2014	#238
True	CFLDem	Mar 2014	#241
True it does, well if it is a theme he sticks with then I will agree.	Rex	Mar 2014	#251
You mean	ProSense	Mar 2014	#239
The race card gets played	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#214
I have never seen the term "race card" used by	sufrommich	Mar 2014	#228
I would recommend getting out more then. nt	CFLDem	Mar 2014	#236
Hmm....	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#245
....	DeSwiss	Mar 2014	#225
Nothing racist.	840high	Mar 2014	#233
another completely dishonest post from Nonsense	TheSarcastinator	Mar 2014	#242
Welcome to DU. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#256
Pro has a problem with logic, or likes to pretend so, at least.	Marr	Mar 2014	#368
+1000	bobduca	Mar 2014	#597
Is there a Jump The Shark contest I don't know about?	leftstreet	Mar 2014	#243
I find this post to be deeply offensive.	dawg	Mar 2014	#246
Nice try, but I stand by the point.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#265
Scream about "name calling" and you might have a point.	dawg	Mar 2014	#274
not an accusation, more like this:	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#411
I'm disgusted by the OP and anyone who supports it.	dawg	Mar 2014	#488
Differing points of view don't make one right and the other wrong.	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#550
Implying that he's a racist just makes things worse.	dawg	Mar 2014	#555
I don't believe that was intentionally implied.	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#557
Bull.	dawg	Mar 2014	#558
not true, I don't "know it," as you say,	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#559
You really want to learn something of value???	dawg	Mar 2014	#563
I don't disagree with you about that, I just read the offending OP differently than you	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#565
You're losing.	dawg	Mar 2014	#567
Exactly like this. nt	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#531
But...	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#271
Do you think it is fair to slander the President as being a liar,	Voice for Peace	Mar 2014	#561
Does he sometimes say one thing and then do another?	dawg	Mar 2014	#564
For crying out loud, we called Bush a chimp.	dawg	Mar 2014	#566
K&R	stonecutter357	Mar 2014	#252
Would Joseph McCarthy’s rhetoric been considered RW racist?	fleabiscuit	Mar 2014	#254
Did you just call me a right-wing racist?	WilliamPitt	Mar 2014	#257
understanding irony requires a certain level of self awareness	TheSarcastinator	Mar 2014	#263
Here's	ProSense	Mar 2014	#267
You mean like, "reactionary screamer" or "emoprog"?	Marr	Mar 2014	#377
So true and spot on. Which is why I doubt you'll ever see a response from that poster. nt	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#586
No.	JTFrog	Mar 2014	#286
This is the point	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#301
The jury says:	TexasTowelie	Mar 2014	#339
#6 is my favorite.	WilliamPitt	Mar 2014	#346
I get this feeling a certain group of people don't want you here.	Rex	Mar 2014	#414
no shit..	frylock	Mar 2014	#436
Two points:	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 2014	#654
Unrec - total BS.	840high	Mar 2014	#259
used car salesman	mehrrh	Mar 2014	#260
Your false racism accusation, and WP's doubling down on an inflammatory term BOTH make DU suck. (nt)	Heidi	Mar 2014	#264
The first	ProSense	Mar 2014	#268
OBVIOUSLY you agree with the second part of my point.	Heidi	Mar 2014	#275
Please, I will express my opinion as I see fit.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#285
If you give two sh!t about the DU community as anything but a platform for your ego,	Heidi	Mar 2014	#311
Oh, please.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#312
Do you think the president would approve of your OP? (nt)	Heidi	Mar 2014	#321
Fortunately, I don't need his approval to denounce despicable name calling. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#329
Damn right....	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#320
+1,000,000,000,000	redqueen	Mar 2014	#326
You will express your opinion as you see fit?	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#333
Sez the person accusing another of racism...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#334
Of course	ProSense	Mar 2014	#336
Funny thing though...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#338
It weakens an otherwise legitimate argument	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#303
That's absolute nonsense. How is the term "car salesman" racist?	chrisa	Mar 2014	#266
Oh “used car salesman” is much more than that.	fleabiscuit	Mar 2014	#278
It's also expected of a ratfucker...	berni_mccoy	Mar 2014	#270
K & R	Iliyah	Mar 2014	#280
Crying "Racist" over and over whenever the president is criticized is the mark of a weak supporter	n2doc	Mar 2014	#281
He was not being "criticized." It's name calling	ProSense	Mar 2014	#288
I personally don't agree with the name calling	n2doc	Mar 2014	#298
"I wish he would cut it out. It undermines the content of what he is posting."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#307
+1	leftstreet	Mar 2014	#291
We already have that here it is a group called the BOG.	Rex	Mar 2014	#309
+10000000. nt	ecstatic	Mar 2014	#293
Drinking water is expected of a RW racist	Cal Carpenter	Mar 2014	#297
K&R	stonecutter357	Mar 2014	#302
It is a little insulting to used car salesmen.	Vattel	Mar 2014	#314
Who's being insulted with this reference?	egduj	Mar 2014	#316
Bravo, ProSense...	lamp_shade	Mar 2014	#318
Why?	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#330
Thirty years ago, I referred to President Reagan with the exact same epithet	Jack Rabbit	Mar 2014	#319
In 1960 the Democrats made a famous poster with Nixon's face and the words 'Would you	Bluenorthwest	Mar 2014	#367
Yes, I know all about Dick Tuck	Jack Rabbit	Mar 2014	#372
Thoughtful post.	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#592
another Badtime for Gonzo - looks like he's not getting the recs he is after.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#322
What sort of person is he?	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#344
I get it now! It is a rec thingy!	Rex	Mar 2014	#381
I don't think the term "used car saleman" is racist.	intheflow	Mar 2014	#335
Gee, thanks for making those distinctions.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#343
And there's no justification for bringing racism into this.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#352
There is no justification for despicable and gratuitous name calling.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#374
Look.	intheflow	Mar 2014	#453
Well,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#456
But why add the "racist" part?	intheflow	Mar 2014	#459
Because it made my point.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#461
That's a lovely philosophy.	intheflow	Mar 2014	#671
K&R. n/t	FSogol	Mar 2014	#340
Oh, the irony! Criticizing a personal attack by making a personal attack	RufusTFirefly	Mar 2014	#341
You forgot: If you criticize despicable name calling, you're making a "personal attack."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#354
I don't think Will is racist, he's just desperately seeking the relevancy he had here during the *	dionysus	Mar 2014	#350
Like the Woodward fiasco, trying to regain his Watergate fame. Everyone's gotta make a living:	freshwest	Mar 2014	#622
"RW racist" ???	Hell Hath No Fury	Mar 2014	#353
lol	Renew Deal	Mar 2014	#361
"I can hardly wait for a GOPer to be in office so it's once again OK..."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#365
Let's be fair	BlackAndBeyond	Mar 2014	#396
I don't see why people are upset at you, ProSense. It's just criticism.	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2014	#356
So if you criticise the President you are "anti-Obama" is that it?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#375
Here's the thing.	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2014	#386
All of that aside...does criticising the President make one "anti-Obama"..?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#389
I neither expressed nor implied that.	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2014	#398
.	randome	Mar 2014	#391
Yep	Iliyah	Mar 2014	#382
Correct, because fanzines are about the celebrity, not the issues. nt	valerief	Mar 2014	#371
How does that make someone a racist?	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#373
DU rec...	SidDithers	Mar 2014	#379
Will Full Ignorance. Can't do much about it if the sick is there. n/t	Whisp	Mar 2014	#383
While I agree that WP went too far.....I kinda doubt that was actually "racist", per se.	AverageJoe90	Mar 2014	#384
I'll	ProSense	Mar 2014	#390
Well, okay. I still think the "racist" part should have been omitted, TBH.	AverageJoe90	Mar 2014	#395
And you have time and again failed to say how calling someone a used car salesman is racist...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#399
It's not me	ProSense	Mar 2014	#400
Which part of "used car salesman" is racist?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#401
I can't help with reading comprehension. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#402
No but you sure can dodge a straight-forward question though...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#408
No,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#409
Umm...yeah...you kinda did...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#444
"you kinda did..."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#446
Yeah, ya definitely did...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#475
You mean like the term Liberal?	d_legendary1	Mar 2014	#403
Welcome to DU. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#404
As a relatively new peep here I would not feel correct by not saying this.	fleabiscuit	Mar 2014	#415
That word salad should be embarrassing	ProSense	Mar 2014	#416
Kick!	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#421
has it really been "constantly"? seems like one post	tk2kewl	Mar 2014	#422
So far 'at least' two...	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#438
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#439
everything is racist!	frylock	Mar 2014	#423
Looks like another of the many, many divisive threads that seem to be coordinated	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#429
Nah. You give credit for adult sentiment where it's not evident	Blaukraut	Mar 2014	#434
You're probably right. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#449
like "hater"?	DrDan	Mar 2014	#451
Exactly how is it racist? n/t	Skip Intro	Mar 2014	#443
I must have missed it, but it is lower than calling him lawyer - which he actually is!	AAO	Mar 2014	#447
I am such a	truedelphi	Mar 2014	#448
As is eating breakfast. It doesn't mean that doing so is evidence someone is RW or racist.	Donald Ian Rankin	Mar 2014	#450
That comment makes zero sense. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#454
Oh, I think it does.	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#593
Let me spell it out for you.	Donald Ian Rankin	Mar 2014	#631
I'm not thrilled with the epithet... but it sure as Hell ain't racist OR right wing. nt	MannyGoldstein	Mar 2014	#452
That kind of whining is childish, disruptive, and it really makes "supposed to be fun" DU SUCK!!!	MADem	Mar 2014	#455
Or right wing? How is it racist or right wing?	Skip Intro	Mar 2014	#457
From the looks of this thread and the 3984759347534 others,	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#458
"Oh, and it's also racist to critique said president. "	ProSense	Mar 2014	#464
You're the one stating it's racist to criticize Obama.	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#470
I said no such thing. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#471
Look at you OP.	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#472
You "look" at it, and try to grasp the point, which has nothing to do calling out a "critique." n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#473
You implied anyone who calls Obama "a used car salesman"	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#476
What does that have to do with a "critique"?	ProSense	Mar 2014	#480
Are you new to politics?	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#485
We have a winner!	Fearless	Mar 2014	#602
I found the language in that post to be inappropriate	Gothmog	Mar 2014	#460
This board is getting ratfucked, and the owners are allowing it to happen.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#477
Go sell out somebody else...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2014	#486
Look around the web. Cons are having a field day with the ratfucking of Democrats here.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#490
Cons routinely have a field day with Democrats and hate DU...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2014	#498
"We don't get to the good… the BEST debate by denying it."	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#502
That simply is wrong...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2014	#517
I was referring back to the original rant that started all this nonsense.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#534
I'm like many on the message...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2014	#544
Obama ended the war in Iraq.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#552
Of course he didn't start it	MrMickeysMom	Mar 2014	#573
Actually it is the first jury that allowed the "FU Obama, from the bottom of my heart" to go through	lostincalifornia	Mar 2014	#491
This board went past "rational criticism" long ago. It's well into ranting lunacy now.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#497
Everything I have seen, including adhoc polls indicate the vast majority on DU support Obama	lostincalifornia	Mar 2014	#518
Those that don't support him also, for the most part, do not participate in those very polls.	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#525
Pretty clear to me who they are, even without participating in a poll	lostincalifornia	Mar 2014	#576
Too late.	Rex	Mar 2014	#574
K&R	BklnDem75	Mar 2014	#493
It's the Cry of a Divider with an agenda that reeks of	Cha	Mar 2014	#499
I am against calling the president a "used car salesman", however...	CreekDog	Mar 2014	#503
Started when he called Pres Obama 'piece of shit used car salesman' regarding Affordable Care Act	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#520
"Used Car Salesman" IS TOTALLY innapropriate!!!!! The 'C' should be swapped for a 'W' :-)	grahamhgreen	Mar 2014	#504
^^^For the Win ^^^	WilliamPitt	Mar 2014	#513
For deflective nonsense.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#515
Lecturing people about what's appropriate and what's deflection.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#526
My point was "appropriate"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#527
Your post WAS inappropriate name calling. nt	laundry_queen	Mar 2014	#594
Ah, so you can accuse someone of being a RW racist, but using 'used car salesman' is over the line..	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#649
Love you both:) Torture is despicable. Can't wait til you see the light Pro!	grahamhgreen	Mar 2014	#562
Your comment makes no sense. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#568
If this thread doesnt make it clear to everyone that you have a protected status here nothing will.	bobduca	Mar 2014	#532
Absurd. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#537
Fact.	bobduca	Mar 2014	#538
Fact: Many people are disgusted with the gratuitous name calling. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#540
Clearly name calling calls for smears by association. Do you ever engage in honest debate ? ever?	bobduca	Mar 2014	#542
Do you seriously think that your comments are an invitation to an "honest debate"?	ProSense	Mar 2014	#545
my comments have one purpose : to call out your vile, blatant hypocrisy on this thread.	bobduca	Mar 2014	#546
Now, you're telling jokes? n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#547
Is this a Random Response Generator now? Fuck this.	bobduca	Mar 2014	#549
LOL! n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#551
"RW Racist" is not "gratuitous name calling"?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#650
Some might suggest	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#665
And others might suggest...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#666
If you are referring to her being a Democrat, you are absolutely right!	William769	Mar 2014	#548
No thats not what im saying	bobduca	Mar 2014	#554
But given the rhetoric the POTUS was using,	JCMach1	Mar 2014	#536
Please explain how the name calling towards the president in the OP below is 'appropriate'	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#539
Please explain how "used car salesman" is racist...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#651
And he gave a fine speech, but... Typical RW talking point. And too obvious. nt	freshwest	Mar 2014	#560
Injecting race into this is just more fuel	MirrorAshes	Mar 2014	#570
The full blown "used car fucking hateon" has an ugly con site jerking off..	Cha	Mar 2014	#571
OMG! Posted on 21 March, 2014 and this is the first I've heard of that article/site	Tx4obama	Mar 2014	#575
I'm betting he doesn't care.. anyone with a functioning brain would know this	Cha	Mar 2014	#579
RW knows what appeals to their base and demoralizes ours. No wonder we've got a troll invasion.	freshwest	Mar 2014	#618
Most people know it.. some don't care fresh.. that isn't their problem.	Cha	Mar 2014	#621
Soooo this is so clever....	VanillaRhapsody	Mar 2014	#578
Kick Kick Kick!	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#581
:)	sheshe2	Mar 2014	#583
sorry I don't get the racial overtone	ibegurpard	Mar 2014	#595
A non sequitur argument.	Fearless	Mar 2014	#598
The original remark was a color-coded callout from DU's resident dog whistler.	ucrdem	Mar 2014	#607
Did pitt get his rw "used car.. " bullshit from them or did they get it from him... ?	Cha	Mar 2014	#617
Your point is also a non sequitur to what I said.	Fearless	Mar 2014	#626
It follows literally and logically.	ucrdem	Mar 2014	#679
Only if you suggest that the OP is as well, as I do not, it is not.	Fearless	Mar 2014	#682
It's "the used car salesman piece of shit" that's rw.. is it rw racism or is it just..	Cha	Mar 2014	#609
Here's your RW Racist "used car pos salesman" POS..	Cha	Mar 2014	#614
^^^^^^^^^PROOF^^^^^^^^^	freshwest	Mar 2014	#628
Let's recap.. he was Wrong about his first ignorant rant and he doubles down	Cha	Mar 2014	#629
"he doubles down"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#646
It's beyond Disingenuous crap, imv.. it's the cult of personality..	Cha	Mar 2014	#680
Wow	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#645
Oh please. Read my sig.	cui bono	Mar 2014	#630
Yep. It is entirely possible to be critical of the President w/o reducing him to cheap stereootypes	BenzoDia	Mar 2014	#639
Have to agree.	we can do it	Mar 2014	#644
Let's at least be honest with ourselves, there's a reason this forum is divided...	raindaddy	Mar 2014	#647
No,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#648
Neither can unnecessarily implicitly connecting someone to racists.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#656
You say "neither can"	ProSense	Mar 2014	#658
AGAIN, I get your point.	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#659
No, you clearly don't, and it's not "bullshit." n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#661
And the suggestion of racism?	raindaddy	Mar 2014	#657
There	ProSense	Mar 2014	#660
I get it..	raindaddy	Mar 2014	#662
Yup!!!	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#669
People here are politically savvy? lolol	BenzoDia	Mar 2014	#681
Well said. /nt	Marr	Mar 2014	#687
Hmm	nyabingi	Mar 2014	#652
Welcome to DU	ProSense	Mar 2014	#655
Like calling someone a 'RW Racist'?	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#667
It's shocking and disappointing that it is allowed to stand on DU. nt	tridim	Mar 2014	#653
Oh barf.	Daemonaquila	Mar 2014	#670
"I'm so sick of the cheerleading on this site."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#675
Oh yeah, asking for rwinger asshole names not to be thrown at President Obama is "cheerleading"..	Cha	Mar 2014	#683
This may be the most shit post	whatchamacallit	Mar 2014	#672
An irrelevant comment. n/t	ProSense	Mar 2014	#673
It is expected of a "rw racist" whether "the great duer" is a racist or not. I'm not saying the	Cha	Mar 2014	#684

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:00 AM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

1. Or an immature cry for attention.

The solution is to not reward the attention getting maneuvers.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:37 AM

LordGlenconner (1,348 posts)

63. That's my take as well

The need for attention is strong in that one.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:57 AM

Orrex (59,615 posts)

104. ^^That

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

107. There is something wrong, and his 'friends' should have a talkie with him privately

but instead they are encouraging that sick behaviour by cheering him on.

Something is very wrong.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #107)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:40 PM

Andy823 (11,300 posts)

205. Exactly!

It's the same lame BS with the same lame crowd day after day, nothing but negative crap and smart ass insults. Of course it's the "Obamabots" that the problem on this board, according the them!

Why they get away with it is beyond me.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

279. I told everyone that cynicism makes people hateful and bitter.

Look at all the cynics on DU, bitter and filled with hate. Les Miserables.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:39 PM

lamp_shade (13,716 posts)

332. Precisely.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #332)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:03 AM

lamp_shade (13,716 posts)

643. ..

nudge

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:19 PM

randys1 (16,286 posts)

376. Rightwing racists

The right in America completely lost what little mind they had when Obama was first elected, and they have not experienced a rational day since.

The hate is beyond words.

And the fact that this November our country is going to look around and say "the problem is not enough republicans" makes me want to cry...

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:33 PM

wryter2000 (40,447 posts)

425. Welcome

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:46 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

433. I don't believe the people on DU who don't like Obama

Are right wing racists. I know people who despise him who are very progressive and not the least bit racist. They are angry that he isn't progressive enough. And I agree that he isn't, but they close their eyes to all the good things he has accomplished in his time fighting the republican'ts.

I am an progressive idealist, as I wish everyone was, but know that isn't true and cannot be true. I'm also a realist and don't expect miracles...and I realize that in a country that is both progressive and conservative, change doesn't happen quickly. That's not to say we cannot keep fighting. We must keep fighting, and it hurts to see the ideologues just give up when they don't get everything they wanted. People who quit never win.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #433)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:05 PM

randys1 (16,286 posts)

440. ...

No, criticizing Obama from the left is absolutely sensible, I do it everyday, though I am careful to remember that he needs support and the alternative is literal hell on earth.

Criticizing him from the right is pure hypocrisy and racism or bigotry depending on the person.

Almost everything Obama has done was OK with righty before he was for it.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:36 AM

calimary (61,669 posts)

663. Welcome to DU, randys1!

Glad you're here! It's just almost blindingly mind-bending, isn't it!

Your statement here: And the fact that this November our country is going to look around and say "the problem is not enough republicans" makes me want to cry...

MAN, no kidding! No Freakin' Kidding!

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Response to calimary (Reply #663)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:22 AM

randys1 (16,286 posts)

685. thanks

watching life story of Bill Hicks at the moment, thanks for the welcome

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:35 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

427. I thought whining about DU violated the SOP. These hateful threads arent going

to help us in 2014.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #427)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

482. This thread isn't "whining about DU." It's taking issue with a characterization of the POTUS. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #482)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:08 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

492. Ah yes, "taking issue" not whining. Sadly, I think you believe it. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #492)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:27 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

505. It's not about "believing" anything--it is about being able to read and write

in the English language.

Sadly, that can be a challenge for some to comprehend, quite apparently.

Whining about DU is "I don't like this jury result," or "I think this poster is an asshole." Or even "Why don't the admins change the TOS to include my pet gripe?" The kind of stuff that the admins--not mob rule--resolve.

Taking issue with a characterization of a political leader would be something like "I don't like the way the POTUS was portrayed in this post. My view is the opposite of this opinion."

By your POV, anyone who posts a dissenting view on any topic after a post is written is "whining about DU." But see, your POV is just wrong.

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Response to MADem (Reply #505)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:41 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

511. Whining about DU is "I dont like that someone posted something that isnt positive

about the President". It's getting out of hand with thread after thread after thread of how no one should say anything bad about the President. If you dont think we should speak out, even if it looks remotely unfavorable towards the President, then you dont understand what a Democrat is.

And you said: "it is about being able to read and write in the English language. Sadly, that can be a challenge for some to comprehend, quite apparently." You just cant have a conversation with out getting into the shit.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #511)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:28 AM

MADem (135,425 posts)

596. Thanks for so eagerly proving my point. You're pretending that "DU" is synonymous with

"the President." One is a website for liberals and progressives who want to elect more Dems and fewer Republicans to public office...and the other is the President of the United States.

See where you tripped yourself up, there?

What's getting "out of hand" is posters who ignore this rather salient paragraph in the TOS:

One more thing: Don't push your luck.
The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Members who demonstrate a pattern of disruptive behavior over time and end up getting too many of their posts hidden by the jury (measured by raw number or percentage) may be found to be in violation of our Terms of Service. If you seem to be ruining this website for a large proportion of our visitors, if we think the community as a whole would be better off without you here, if you are constantly wasting the DU Administrators' time, if you seem to oppose the mission of DU, or if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privileges. Remember: DU is supposed to be fun — don't make it suck.

See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.

And last, but most certainly not least;

--Makes DU suck. Once makes it suck a bit. Twice makes it suck to Walt Starr proportions. Rallying minions to cheerlead that kind of suckage? Now, the meter is pegged.

It's not my website, but if it were, I'd get out the Hoover and vacuum up that mess, and empty the bag straight away.

And as for conversations, you can't seem to have one without making a nasty personal comment. Like you just did, yet again. Wonder why that is? I'm not talking about you, your 'tudes, your mama, your mental state--any of that "shit." I argue the merits. All I do is tell the truth, and you think it's hell, to paraphrase Harry Truman.

You don't want to be called out for not reading before hitting the reply button, then just read the posts before you respond to them--it takes a few minutes, but believe it or not, it actually makes for better conversation. I urge you to make it a habit.

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:40 AM

Cha (269,211 posts)

599. Excellent points, MADem..

See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.

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Response to Cha (Reply #599)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:55 AM

MADem (135,425 posts)

605. I read that ToS every now and again!

I wish more people would--we'd probably not have to deal with so many of these "drama club" posts.

Remember the old DU rules?

I used to read those things every month or so, because they kept getting bigger and bigger, longer and longer! I've kept the habit with the ToS and the Community Standards, as well as the Statements of Purpose for the forums and groups. Doesn't hurt to remember why we're here!

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:31 AM

Hekate (67,134 posts)

612. Here, hear, MADem. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #612)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:36 AM

MADem (135,425 posts)

613. Why, thank you! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 06:43 AM

Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)

640. Nailed it. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:40 AM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

664. This OP is intended to stir up trouble and it's one of a dozen or so lately

aimed at the same thing.

"It's not my website, but if it were, I'd get out the Hoover and vacuum up that mess, and empty the bag straight away. " I think that says it all right there. Purge all those that dare speak out and dont follow the script. Well good luck.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #664)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:06 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

676. Ahhhh....I see what you're saying!! YOU are entitled to express an opinion--but I'm not!

See how that works?

It's not a question of "purging" those who "dare to speak out." Anyone can "speak out." People do "speak out" here, every day. They differ on a wide range of issues. The difference is, they do it civilly, without the junior high school drama, without the attention-seeking histrionics.

I guess the concept of disagreeing without being disagreeable is a foreign one to you?

Policy differences are expected on ANY discussion board. But name-calling, with or without profanity, and childish insults? Those are the mark of an individual who is having difficulty expressing him or herself in an adult manner.

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:41 AM

calimary (61,669 posts)

674. I must admit I've been bothered by that "piece of shit used car salesman" bit ever since I saw it.

Um… you'd prefer the alternative maybe? republi-CONS would work out better for ya?

I'm afraid I was hurt and disappointed. I hate seeing discord being sown anywhere - and especially here. We're all supposed to be shoulder-to-shoulder against a common enemy, aren't we? The President is NOT the enemy. You'd rather have romney in there? Or mccain with his pathetic little idiot girlfriend-sidekick in their second term? Sowing seeds of that level of discontent - at least in my sometimes-feeble opinion - is really only sowing the seeds of Dems-throw-up-their-hands-and-stay-home-on-Election-Day-because-they're-just-all-alike. And that gets you the GOP back in the White House. If that's not counterproductive, I don't know what is. I'll bet slinging shit like that is just what warms the cockles of the CONS' "hearts" (assuming of course they even have hearts). They LOVE the smell of Democrats tearing each other apart in the morning. Hey kids, let's treat them to MORE!!!!

These are excellent points, MADem.

See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.

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Response to calimary (Reply #674)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:08 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

677. I agree with you. He's not the enemy; he's a guy doing a tough job with a House that has

gone out of their way to screw with him, continuously and deliberately, since the GOP got the majority, and a Republican caucus that has had making his life miserable their personal agenda since Jan 09..

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:47 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

481. Indeed....

On this thread, which was inexplicably hidden,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024736507#top

but which can still be rec'd....there is a theory that the "cry for attention" is a way of auditioning for new employment.

There's also a report at that same link that he's attracted some right-wing attention at a conservative hate site, as the newest "leftie" spokesman against the ACA.

It's all very embarrassing.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:22 PM

one_voice (20,043 posts)

501. That was a bullshit hide. n/t

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Response to one_voice (Reply #501)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:29 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

507. Concur completely. Times like this, I wish Skinner could "undo" grievous errors like that.

On the bright side, the thread can still be rec'd!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #507)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:34 PM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

569. Rec'd. Don't see much in the other threads that show anyone gives a flying fuck about people...

These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'.

~ Saul Alinsky

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Response to freshwest (Reply #569)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

steve2470 (36,913 posts)

589. +1 nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #569)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:03 AM

Jamaal510 (10,876 posts)

606. I love that quote there.

This is the DU member formerly known as Jamaal510.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

Number23 (24,544 posts)

510. The fact that post was hidden while the unhinged spittle flecked stupidity that lead to it was not

is indicative better than anything of how far this place has fallen. The trolls have been squatting at DU for a long time. Now they can be proud to call it home.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #510)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

MADem (135,425 posts)

590. Yes, ma'am. I think you nailed it!

I cannot argue against your conclusions!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #510)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

steve2470 (36,913 posts)

591. nailed it

more like AntiDemocraticUnderground.com now.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:50 PM

Cha (269,211 posts)

519. Just Rec It, thanks. Wow.. that was a Bullshit hide. The real used car salesman

is such a fucking divider.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:58 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

524. It's intended to SELL BOOKS and Webclicks to Blogs/Websites

n/t

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #524)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41 AM

Cha (269,211 posts)

601. Much like the glenn greenwald bullshit

hate on the President posted here.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:57 PM

steve2470 (36,913 posts)

588. yep no reward nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:03 AM

louis-t (20,726 posts)

2. It's Republicans that are used car salesman.

It's what they do. It's what they are. They give their followers a handful of dog shit and convince them it's a bouquet of roses. It's the only reason they have been successful at winning any elections. They've convinced their followers that there is massive voter fraud, Obama was born in Kenya, there are death panels in ACA, and these people believe them.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:31 PM

hopemountain (3,919 posts)

412. wasn't issa a used car saleman at one time? nt

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #412)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:54 PM

louis-t (20,726 posts)

417. He was a car thief....

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

joeybee12 (56,177 posts)

3. I disagree...no racial overtones at all in this...however, calling Barbara Lee

a hustler...now that's racist.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:07 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

6. Equally BS, and typical of RW racists. Both uncalled for. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:15 AM

joeybee12 (56,177 posts)

22. You could say calling Obama a used car salesman is insulting,

but I don't think it's racist or intended to be.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

26. It's despicable name calling, and on the level of what a RW racist would do.

Period.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 AM

JackInGreen (2,975 posts)

51. Yes, name calling is despicable

but not racist in this case I think.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

brush (34,022 posts)

108. It's borderline racist IMO

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:56 PM - Edit history (2)

And he didn't just called him a used car salesman, he called him a "piece of shit used car salesman" — some, including me, feel that that was dangerously close to stepping on or over the borderline.

This particular serial ranter also went off on the president after the SOTU speech by claiming he used the injured solder by parading him before the nation . . . or some such foolishness.

It seemed to go over his head completely that the president asked the solder to appear and then went on to make a profound anti-war comment to "get off permanent war footing" so that we wouldn't continue to have servicemen and women return with shattered lives — a pretty clear juxtaposition, not that subtle or hard to comprehend.

There definitely seems to be an attention-seeking, talking point-like agenda with that particular serial ranter.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:50 PM

3Stones (85 posts)

218. Agree 100% with your post!

Sometimes I feel I'm reading from a right wing page when I read those type of comments here.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:14 PM

TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)

315. How is "piece of shit used car salesman" racist at all or even borderline?

I find the accusation absurd, unreasonable, and unsupported by even stereotype.

Why would you assert such a thing? What is the rationale?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #315)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:31 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

325. You may not find it offensive and borderline racist . . .

but I do, from personal experience.

I'm a black guy. You might be black but I'd guess you're a white guy.

So I think we come from totally different perspectives on the matter.

There is no call for what Pitt did, especially on this site. If I want to read that crapola about a sitting Democratic president I'll go to freeperville. Have some respect for the office for God's sake!

And BTW, they're laughing at us because of Pitt's post on gopthedailydose.com.

Giftedgirl77 alerted me, see the link:

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

No way we should be giving the repugs ammunition for the 2014 mid-terms with posts like Pitt's.

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Response to brush (Reply #325)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:39 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

331. but have you ever sold used cars?

Now, the term "cotton picker" would be racist. Or "pimp". Or any number of other terms assigned by racists.

Used car salesman? Not so much.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #331)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:55 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

349. But what about "piece of shit used car salesman" . . .

or the "trained ape . . ." comment by Rumsfeld about Obama.

Or the "lazy inner city men who don't want to work" by Paul Ryan?

To me they're all from the same dog-whistle-cloth that comes out sometimes with a careless slip of the tongue and reveals true feelings.

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Response to brush (Reply #349)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:11 PM

Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)

369. Mmmmm. Perhaps you're painting w. a broad... ahem... brush here.

POS used car salesman = disrespect? Sure.
= racist? No

Lazy inner city men, trained ape? Yes.

Everything that annoys one is not "racist".

Often it's just annoying.

Broad brush.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #369)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:22 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

378. Perhaps, but IMO the brush isn't that broad.

Why even go there calling the first black president a piece of shit on a progressive site no less?

It's very close to dog whistle stuff, agenda-driven, teaparty stuff to me. All he had to do was misspell a couple of words and he would have been right there.

But he's a writer so I don't expect him to misspell words. But because he is a writer, i do expect him to be able to express himself better than calling a sitting Democratic president a "piece of shit" on a progressive site.

No excuse for it.

Borderline.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #331)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:37 PM

wryter2000 (40,447 posts)

428. The mere fact that they're insulting Obama in ways they never would a white President

makes it racist. Whether the specific content is racist or not.

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Response to brush (Reply #325)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:25 PM

TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)

678. Why do you think I'm white because I won't jump on the call anyone racist as a casual defense

bandwagon?

I am no more white than the President and no less black.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #678)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:14 AM

brush (34,022 posts)

686. No casual defense IMO

Starting with the teaparty, from overt racist name calling to subtler dog whistle code words directed towards the president have become common.

Calling the president a piece of shit is not even dog-whistling, it's so cavalierly thrown out, like it's acceptable, that it's certainlly makes me wonder what that particular serial ranter's agenda is.

I haven't seen that vitriol directed at say Boenher, or Issa, or McCain, but with a black president it's OK, and a Democratic one as well?

I don't think so.

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Response to brush (Reply #686)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:20 PM

TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)

688. I think all kinds of motherfuckers are pieces of shit and worse and have said so

Now am I racist against everyone but some island and aboriginal folks (largely due to lack of exposure to enough to find the sure shitballs).

There is no special tie into racism with "piece of shit", not that it is anything but raw invective, white hot with ZERO kindness inferred but racist? Only when tied to racist overall argument.

Call it vile, call it nasty, call it beyond the pale, call it absurd and uncalled for but racist is really reaching and seemingly depends on some weird telepathy and a bizarre take on human psychology that thinks a turncoat (doesn't matter if you agree with that assessment, if the person does woe be unto them that they think sold them out to the enemy) should draw less ire than an enemy.

Also, I have to say the tact seems somewhat selectively dishonest. Plenty of white folks get the shit slammed out of them and called everything but a child of God. Even supposed Democrats like Lieberman, Landrieu, Harry Reid gets killed by both sides and the middle, I've seen Alan Grayson treated like shit to his fucking face right here on this site, MAX BAUCUS! (are you kidding?), Hillary Clinton gets shredded and TeaPubliKlans? Never seen the grave pissing road trip threads, the frogmarch their asses to the guillotine threads? Dubya? DICK CHENEY (are really you being serious?) Rick Scott (of course it is all true)?

Even your examples are wrong, you can surely find plenty of hot pokers being poked are returned all three, especially Issa and McShame when he was of any relevance to anyone aside Sunday morning talk shows.

You seem to have decided that talking shitty about a black President is inherently racist and I argue that is silly because it doesn't really explain the preceding 200+ years of talking shit and nasty about Presidents that has clearly been the case even at the highest levels from the very beginning.

Not to say there isn't a TON of very racist shit in the mix too because there is no shortage at all but you can't wrap all discontent, disrespect, nastiness, or even outright contempt up in that same package just because some is motivated exactly by that doesn't mean all of it is at all.

You can't even articulate what the racism you are calling out is. You are talking about teabaggers and vitriol you "haven't seen" to turn a common expression that usual makes one think of a poorly dressed and unsavory looking middle aged white guy as a racial slur when it just isn't and now you and others want to INSIST it must and can only be so despite it not ever being such before in this culture.

This has crossed into looking for the boogieman territory now. Being black is no defense from people talking crazy about you.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #688)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 02:07 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

689. You made some good points . . .

I remain unconvinced though.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #315)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:38 PM

bravenak (34,648 posts)

328. Probably because it resembles a remark made by Ted Nugent recently.

He calls the president a piece of shit, WP calls him a piece of shit used car salesman. Same tactic. Similar wording. It is a tactic used by the right wing against the President everyday. Say something completely nasty and disgusting until it becomes commonplace to use that particular terminology when referring to the president.

If someone has a disagreement with me and rationally explains it, i may not agree but i can respect them having an opinion. If they were to start by calling me a piece of shit 'something' i would know that it is personal and not merely criticism. I would hope that others around us would not be applauding the person calling me a piece of shit 'something'.
If they did, i would know there was something wrong with them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #328)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:46 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

393. why would ANYBODY listen to Ted Nugent?

Why do any Obama supporters apparently go out of their way to follow people like that?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #393)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 PM

bravenak (34,648 posts)

406. It gets posted here.

Thats why we make comparisons.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #328)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:28 AM

TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)

611. People (especially politicians) have been compared to used car salesmen since Nugent was thought of.

Probably somewhere about the time of the emergence of the used car market or not long after.

Now, if the discussion is if Nugent is a racist then that is what it is but if it is about a common expression being applied to someone you don't agree with being called out so then I say it is a baseless accusation and pretty much slander. The person may be as racist as The Nuge but by no means is such indicative or even an indicator of such.

I don't find Obama to be particularly honest because he is very, very skilled at using open, neutral, and vague wording in combination with brilliant delivery that promotes people filling in their own blanks and when another possible permutation actually happens it isn't well received.

I feel lead down the primrose path on the WealthCare and Profit Protection Act, myself. I'm glad my efforts have some real positive impact on real people's lives but I would not have put it in if I knew the final overall law despite some critical modifications, even confined within the context of market based reform.

Without the community health centers and the innovation waiver possibility, it would probably cross over into offensive.

Pounding a few pay to play features does not offset the totality of the law and what it by fundamental design must do which is to prop up, enrich, and entrench the insurance cartel. As is, there may be possibilities though far less certain than some advocates like to present. Especially some that used to at least admit concerns in the form of "we'll fix it later" that now as expected have settled down into the full court press.

Being angry and personal isn't racism either, even if you feel it is misguided or even flat fucking nuts.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #611)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:48 AM

Hekate (67,134 posts)

615. It was in regard to Dick Nixon: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" because he looked shifty

... not because all politicians were being compared to used car salesmen. It was particular to Nixon, good ol' Tricky Dick, back when he was running against Jack Kennedy.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #615)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:25 AM

TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)

668. Are you saying folks were racist for comparing Dick Nixon to a used car salesman?

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:35 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

327. "serial ranter"

You mean like Nance Greggs?

Or do you mean like Thomas Paine?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #327)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:02 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

363. I mean going off more than once on a preferred target nt

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:58 PM

Cha (269,211 posts)

572. Yeah, a rw site is jerking off to the full blown used car hateon..

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

There's money in Obama-hate and this "serial ranter" has find his little used car niche.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:55 PM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

587. Very much the same as the GOP did on all the same subjects. n/t

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

whopis01 (2,929 posts)

221. I don't think they are saying that the term is racist.

I think the point is that it is an insulting term, and it is expected that a rw racist would use insulting terms against Obama.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:59 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

237. WTF is going on here?

He didn't just call the president a "used call saleman", he called him "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN."

Let's acknowledge the huge elephant in the room here and stop defending and being nicey nicey about the rant and acting like all he insulted the president with was "used call saleman".

It was borderline racist (even racist to many) and just the tiniest shade less offensive than Rumsfeld saying a "trained ape would have better foreign policy than Obama".

The for sure racist quote from Rumsfeld is so typical of RW, repug insults of the president, and "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN" is right there with it, which goes directly to what the OP asserts.

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:04 PM

joeybee12 (56,177 posts)

240. this op is in resposne to the most recent used car salesman thread...

POS is not used there...sorry, not racist, rumsfeld's words are, o'reilly's words are, but a rant against Obama, no matter how offensive, does not automatically equal racism.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #240)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:34 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

282. I read the original "piece of shit used car salesman" thread

Was there another Pitt thread? Did he clean up his language from the original thread by not using the "piece of shit" part of his original quote?

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Response to brush (Reply #282)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:12 PM

joeybee12 (56,177 posts)

370. There was a new one today...

I didn't see POS on that one...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #370)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:24 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

380. A new one by Pitt?

So he cleaned it up, huh?

Still no excuse for the first post.

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Response to brush (Reply #282)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:19 AM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

619. Google images on Obama is full of conservatives calling him a POS. This ain't rocket science. n/t

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:40 PM

wryter2000 (40,447 posts)

431. +1000 n/t

n/t

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:50 AM

Cha (269,211 posts)

633. Thanks brush

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:30 PM

one_voice (20,043 posts)

410. I agree..

I don't think it's racist--saying he did a shuck and jive, bamboozled, or hustled would fall into that category.

Used car salesman is a fucking disgusting insult, that sounds like it came from the depths of Freerepublic/Redstate etc. They have an unsavory reputation and are often slick liars.

While I don't agree with everything the President has/hasn't done I find I can address it without using teabagger language.

Those that want to throw out but it's ok if it's Bush---Puuuullllleeeezzzeee.....not even close to being the same.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:59 PM

earthside (6,942 posts)

418. 'Used car salesman' is not a racial epithet.

It is a term used in political rhetoric to describe a politician trying to pull a fast one or being facile with the facts.

Pres. Obama deserves, in my opinion, Will Pitt's description on this matter.

Frankly, I'm getting a bit concerned about the President ... has he lost his zeal for the office?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

NOVA_Dem (620 posts)

27. Prosense is legitimizing RW stereotypes about liberals.

If you offer criticism of the President you're labeled a racist whether the criticism is valid or not.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

45. Nonsense. Name calling isn't "criticism." n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

222. But the OP with the unsavory title

...is criticism, and legitimately so.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:13 PM

alp227 (30,737 posts)

143. Why are you repeating a right wing taking point

claiming that liberals see any disagreement of Obama as racist? The sentence you wrote is requested all over sites like free republic.

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:17 PM

NOVA_Dem (620 posts)

155. Why are you supporting a false accusation of racism?

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #155)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

alp227 (30,737 posts)

170. Can't answer my question, so reply with a loaded question.nt

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #170)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:31 PM

NOVA_Dem (620 posts)

183. This thread is about Will Pitts use of the term "used car salesman" and if it is racist.

Do you believe it is racist? That's the point of the thread.

You know this is a call out thread to shut him up and deligitimize him as a racist.

Prosense is reinforcing a negative stereotype of liberals as "crying racism" whenever you disagree with the President.

It isn't a talking point. It's a statement about what "they" say about "us." RW's accuse us of very thing Prosense is doing in this thread.

I don't know why you're afraid to answer a simple question.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #183)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:40 PM

alp227 (30,737 posts)

287. Simply using that term about obama is not racist. BUT such terms appeal to racists.

Think about Reagan talking about "states' rights" in a 1980 campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi. On its face it's not bigoted in any way. But Reagan...disagree with his politics all you want...had a sharp political strategy. Keep in mind that Philadelphia, MS was the site of the murder of civil rights workers nearly 15 years before and the term "states' rights" became a loaded term in Southern politics for nearly a century as a justification for Jim Crow laws.

In this era with Obama in office and the anonymity of the Internet, right wing bigots feel less ashamed to be bigots. Sure, most of the big name right wing bloggers do stay away from the overtly bigoted language, but if you read the comments sections of sites like Newsbusters, The Blaze, etc. you'll see bigoted language so nasty you'd think you're in another galaxy. This is the Lee Atwater strategy of appealing to racists without appearing overtly racist. By turning otherwise innocent terms like "forced busing" into loaded language.

I have endless respect for Will Pitt and his writings. He's gotta watch his language though. I go to DU to avoid being swarmed by Freeper rhetoric and right wing snarl words. It should OK to disagree with Obama. It shouldn't be OK to talk like a Freeper.

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #287)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:43 AM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

603. The tone is IDENTICAL to RW sites. That's why they're LOVING that OP. They know it. n/t

Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:54 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

226. Who played the race card here in this thread?

???

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #226)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

alp227 (30,737 posts)

295. The OP implied calling Obama a "used car salesman" is racist.

I would agree merely slightly but not completely. Because of the Southern Strategy I think there's a lot of buzzwords out there used by people who really wish they could call Obama the N word.

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #295)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:32 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

424. can you cite any reference to the term as being racist?

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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41 AM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

600. Yes, continuously since 2008. Certain levels of abuse are racist. n/t

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:33 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

190. Another winger meme

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:33 PM

truebrit71 (20,805 posts)

191. Exactly...

..and to think Pro$ense often accuses all who disagree with her of being agents of the RW...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

Ishoutandscream2 (6,429 posts)

158. +1. Calling the president a used car salesman is overboard

And isn't for here. However, I don't see where that can be classified as racist.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

4. Where, in the post you're referring to, the is the RW or Racist part?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

10. No willful ignorance, please

"Where, in the post you're referring to, the is the RW or Racist part?"

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is what RW racists do.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

14. I repeat, where in the post, is the racist or RW parts?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:19 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

29. I repeat: The label and constant use of it is what RW racists do. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

36. Are you then accusing him of being a RW Racist?

If you are, present the evidence.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:43 AM

cheapdate (3,811 posts)

73. The evidence has already been presented...

i.e. - constantly referring to the president as a "used care salesman" is typical behavior for a right wing racist.

I'd say there's a strong possibility we're dealing with a RW racist -- based on that.

Case closed.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:47 AM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

82. Did referring to Richard Nixon as a "used car salesman" make one a RW racist?

Does calling a used car salesman a used car salesman make one a RW racist?

Does defending the mass slaughter in Iraq make someone a Texan?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:00 PM

thucythucy (5,661 posts)

112. As I recall, the line about Nixon was "Would you buy a used car from this man?"

The idea being that he was too untrustworthy to buy a car from, let alone trust with executive power and the launch codes.

It was less an insult to used car salesmen than a statement about the honesty of "Tricky Dick."

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:02 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

115. But, was it racist? Was "tricky dick" racist?

I'm still looking for the "racist" part of WP's post. Or, for that matter the "RW" part.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:05 PM

thucythucy (5,661 posts)

121. Was it racist? I don't think so. Nt.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:09 PM

Voice for Peace (13,141 posts)

133. clarification, I think, in order to avoid further unnecessary squabbling

there are such people we all might agree are RW racists.
Tons of examples of such folks all over the internet,
media, in churches, even congress.

Such folks tend to employ a particular tactic regarding
the President.

ProSense wasn't saying Pitt is a racist; but that he is
employing the same tactic used by such folks.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

148. Will was talking about Obama's lame defense of the Iraq war.

And, exposing it for it was in forceful, albeit accurate, language. Whereas, he RW (whether racist or not) and many Democrats supported the war. See Hillary and Kerry for some references.

Obama's statement was an obvious attempt to whitewash an act of aggression as a "mistake" with worthy consequences. I think that falls under the "used car salesman" rubric quite well.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #148)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

Voice for Peace (13,141 posts)

169. ok we disagree. I view Obama, and his statements, differently.

As you know there are people who label the President.
Many labels he has gotten from people who are not
progressive; "piece of shit used car salesman" sounds
like Ted Nugent.

Will is doubling down for some reason. It is a similar
tactic used against Obama by RW detractors and malicious
intruders of every ilk.

I'm sure many of them, who hate the President and
seek to undermine him at every turn, are thoroughly enjoying
Will's rants.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #148)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:14 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

261. Your chonology is off

The original Pitt op came before any "lame Obama defense of the Iraq war. It was about the ACA.

He called the president not just "a used car salesman" but "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN"?

Everybody seems to be conveniently forgetting the "PIECE OF SHIT" from the original quote. So now he's cleaned it up?

There is no place for that kind of name-calling of a dem president in the first place (and name-calling is NOT criticism) on this allegedly progressive site.

It should have been hidden immediately. This is not freeperville. Why it was not is, IMO, a poor reflection on DU. It was an extremely poor decision by the jurors to leave it up.

And I'm betting that we'll see that quote used in the 2014 mid-terms by repug candidates running against the ACA in ads quoting Democratic Underground as being anti-ACA and anti-Obama.

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Response to brush (Reply #261)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

giftedgirl77 (4,713 posts)

296. I googled Obama used car salesman to see how many

actual quotes would pop up & this was the first link. I don't know if it was the intended purpose at the time but since he has doubled down with the statement now apparently he has found the phrase quite catchy. It is not amusing & everyone here should be disgusted & embarrassed.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:52 PM

redqueen (112,617 posts)

299. "he is employing the same tactic used by such folks"

This is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. ProSense correctly pegged this whole 'what racism are you calling him racist?!?!?!' nonsense as the willful ignorance it so clearly is.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:14 PM

ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)

146. So it's actually left wing and not racist? nt

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:55 PM

Doctor_J (36,392 posts)

229. Ding! Vanity thread alert

Much like the one referred to in the OP.

I had no idea that "used car salesman" is now considered racist. I repeatedly called the previous resident of the WH a drunken, cocaine-addled sociopath. I guess that was racist too.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:24 PM

cheapdate (3,811 posts)

445. The proposition in the OP had nothing whatsoever to do with Richard Nixon,

or actual used car salesmen, or Iraq, or Texans.

The proposition was this: "Constantly referring to President Obama as a 'used car salesman' is expected of a RW racist." Notice that it has nothing at all to say about any of those other things.

Furthermore, and this is really the important point, the next line in the OP makes the point of the message unquestionably clear: "It should not be acceptable on a site promoting Democrats."

Get it? The OP doesn't say anywhere that no one should ever disagree with the president. What it does say is that our disagreement shouldn't use the language of the right. I agree completely with that sentiment. I would go even further and say that our disagreement should be expressed as respectful disagreement.

Serious people understand that coalitions and alliances are absolutely necessary for any real progress. That doesn't mean abandoning principles but it does mean that disagreements must be handled respectfully. Tantrums and meltdowns toward prospective allies are an impediment to progress.

There is nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. Some people seem to believe otherwise -- that unless disagreement is expressed in hysterical terms, it's not genuine or not meaningful.

Emotion is good. Emotion is necessary for the message of the progressive left to ever win converts.

But vicious negative attacks against the leaders of the Democratic Party are not helpful. Alliance with the Democratic Party, for all of its flaws and contradictions, is the ONLY viable path forward for making progress through participation in the political process. That's political reality. Support third parties and independents when it makes sense, but third parties and independents are simply not a factor in national politics -- not in any practical sense.

Burning bridges and carrying grudges might make some people feel good or feel in control, but it's only an illusion. Real power and real control will only come through alliances and coalitions.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #445)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:43 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

514. Hate to tell you this, but independents outnumber both of the establishment parties.

Holding our public servants accountable is the responsibility of the citizens in a democracy.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #514)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:44 PM

cheapdate (3,811 posts)

541. I agree completely

that holding public servants accountable is the responsibility of the citizens in a democracy. But I also believe that the Democratic Party is an absolutely vital partner for any positive change within the established political process and that disagreements between Democrats or between Democrats and their prospective partners and allies must be civil and respectful.

There may be many people who claim to be independents. I'm sure that number is inflated by the growing number of people who are embarrassed to proclaim themselves Republicans, and probably many who feel the same way about the Democrats. But the reality is that virtually all real political power is still held by the two major parties and that's not going to change very quickly. As I said in my previous post, independents are not presently a significant factor in a practical sense. Not yet.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:06 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

123. if it quacks like a Ted Nugent....

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:24 PM

CBGLuthier (12,723 posts)

269. You show an incredibly poor understanding of logic.

Your evidence is just a claim and not self-supporting.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #269)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:01 PM

cheapdate (3,811 posts)

419. ...and you show a poor understanding how truth and language

function when deciding whether we have a positive or negative opinion about a person.

For example, my belief that someone is an asshole isn't usually dependent on a logical syllogism. Nor is it usually contingent upon the kinds of rules of evidence that are found in a courtroom.

I'll put my understanding of logic against yours any day.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

DrDan (20,411 posts)

171. along the lines of the labeling and constant use of the term "hater"

exactly what I would expect of a RW racist

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

Union Scribe (7,099 posts)

20. I'd like to know as well.

Surely you wouldn't just toss an accusation like that out without hard evidence right?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:59 AM

Rex (65,616 posts)

110. Nope. That is exactly what is going on just look at the replies.

He is, because I say he is. End of discussion.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:08 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

128. Ted Nugent is a known shitball racist and he uses piece of shit to describe the President as well

what more freaking 'evidence' do you need?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

Jackpine Radical (45,274 posts)

38. Will-ful ignorance?

Summat close to the line, no?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:23 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

39. Yes, and the point is made. n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

Supersedeas (20,630 posts)

223. willfully ignoring the diversity of used car

salepersons....

last I checked, those in car sales come in all shapes, colors, and sizes...but that doesn't fit the ideological kneejerk reaction to any criticism of the President.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:45 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

478. Calling our Democratic President that, is not only right wing, it doesn't belong on DEMOCRATIC

Underground. In fact, I'd be all for removing anyone that attacks our DEMOCRATIC President, here on DEMOCRATIC Underground. If someone wants to use that terminology, they can use it on Conservative whatever, or on some lunatic website.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #478)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:39 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

508. Authoritarian much?

Obama may be a Democrat but he's still a public servant and accountable to those he serves and pays his wages.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #508)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

Sarah Ibarruri (21,043 posts)

509. You clearly need to read the Mission Statement of DU nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

randome (34,845 posts)

5. Maybe he'll reverse himself in 24 business hours.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:07 AM

Richardo (38,391 posts)

7. ...

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

littlewolf (3,359 posts)

15. oh my ... that is gonna leave a mark. nt

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Response to littlewolf (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:21 AM

randome (34,845 posts)

33. You would think so, wouldn't you?

But not everyone is capable of learning and evolving from his/her mistakes.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:57 PM

redqueen (112,617 posts)

304. THIS

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:29 PM

Tarheel_Dem (30,914 posts)

179. LOL. Used to have a great deal of respect for that one.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #179)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:34 PM

KittyWampus (55,894 posts)

192. Even after the last tantrum, I had respect for Pitt. Since it involved his wife, I cut some slack>>>

this seems to be nothing but an attention whore desperate for some relevance.

If I knew Pitt in real life, i'd recommend he stay away from politics entirely and blog about fatherhood.

Or some other topic entirely and get some perspective back.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #192)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:04 PM

kysrsoze (5,279 posts)

244. No more tantrums for me. He's now on my "Ignore" list. It's very refreshing.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #192)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:26 PM

Tarheel_Dem (30,914 posts)

273. I think the board's other well known ranter was getting more attention. Vying for position is hard,

especially if you're attention whore. It's a tag team now.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

polichick (37,151 posts)

8. It's a non-partisan reference to a salesman of bad products...

Something Dems shouldn't be, but too often are these days.

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:33 PM

Maedhros (10,007 posts)

535. Vote Democrat, and get New Improved SUBPOENA POWER!

With New Improved SUBPOENA POWER, wash away Republican war crimes and make the White House sparkly clean!*

* Offer expires 11/8/2006. Terms and conditions subject to change.

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

laundry_queen (8,646 posts)

582. That's basically it.

however, the pretzel twisting going on about that particular choice of words....

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

hfojvt (37,546 posts)

9. so did you alert?

And should call-out threads be acceptable? And insinuating that long-time DUers are RW racists?

Is the policy being sold a lemon, or not?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:17 AM

lillypaddle (8,487 posts)

25. It's okay, though, to call

long-time DUers cheerleaders because they MOSTLY line up behind the president? Doesn't this insinuate that we are merely sheep, unable to make objective decisions and aren't we entitled to our own opinions? WTF is going on around here? The nastiness has gotten almost unbearable.

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:46 AM

hfojvt (37,546 posts)

80. no, name calling is generally unproductive

although RW racist seems to me a lot harsher than cheerleader when it comes to names.

And when it comes to "our own opinions" each side sees the other side as "swallowing propaganda".

And certainly there is some of that. For example, when I was trying to prevent the Bush tax cuts from becoming permanent, I certainly WAS trying to get people to agree with me, to fight on MY side.

And unfortunately, Obama was fighting on a different side.

And other people certainly ARE trying to convince people to support Obama. And some people ARE trying to convince people to be angry at Obama. Either way, I guess, people are supposed to be outraged about the other side - the other gang, the other tribe http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3409710

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:10 AM

NuclearDem (16,184 posts)

11. I don't think it's necessarily racist.

But it is petty, and it's getting old.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:11 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

12. although I've never called him that and wouldn't- codswallop to your absurd claim

if anything the stereotypical image of a used car salesman is a smarmy white guy with a lot of hair product.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

17. Nothing "absurd" about the claim, which is why you're distancing yourself from the label.

"if anything the stereotypical image of a used car salesman is a smarmy white guy with a lot of hair product."

Are you serious? You think that's a justification?

As I said, the label and constant use of it is what is expected of a RW racist.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

reddread (6,896 posts)

35. all those RW racists who made the used car salesman analogy against Nixon?

You are so full of shit.

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

43. What utter silliness. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:31 AM

reddread (6,896 posts)

53. calling someone a racist is not silly

If shame could fall out of the sky like a piano you would be in some big trouble

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

aikoaiko (31,287 posts)

147. And the jury results are in...

On Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:09 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

all those RW racists who made the used car salesman analogy against Nixon?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4735022

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

'so full of shit', is over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:13 AM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 'full of shit' is pretty mild for this place.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yep, dial it back a notch reddread.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ProSense gets away with calling memebers RW racists, but can't take being told she's full of shit? Bummer.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I tend to agree. It's over the top. We can be pissed off at each other and disagree with each other and confront each other but being civil to each other has to be in the mix. This just didn't feel all that civil.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #147)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:20 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

161. It is not possible to have stricter rules about supporting Democrats

for the upcoming midterms if the jury system remains as it is.

This is getting totally out of hand, and I know Skinner wants the Pontius Pilot role but I hope he is reassessing what a free for all like what this post allowed, (and the OP, omg the OP is kick your ass out of here material) can mean.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #161)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:49 PM

grasswire (50,130 posts)

342. I assume you mean "Pilate"? nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #342)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:57 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

351. No, I mean Pilot. Sky Pilot. Can you beer me, Major Tom? n/t

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:59 PM

thucythucy (5,661 posts)

308. The line about Nixon was

"Would you buy a used car from this man?" The inference being that he wasn't trustworthy. Not an accusation that Nixon was some sort of used car salesman.

Then too, it's awfully difficult for me to see Richard Nixon as a target of racism. Barack Obama, on the other hand....

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:37 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

62. no it's not. and I'll thank you to try not to attribute motives to me when YOU have no

clue.

what you're doing is utterly distasteful. tacky to the max.

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Response to cali (Reply #62)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

Voice for Peace (13,141 posts)

149. what I see here is a bunch of people misunderstanding each other.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:32 AM

hootinholler (26,449 posts)

55. Don't forget the cheapo sports jacket

Preferably in plaid.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:09 PM

AlbertCat (17,505 posts)

134. It's racist

it a "polite" substitute for "uppity" and "shiftless".

It can legitimately be interpreted this way because, context counts. It is not some isolated slur. It must be evaluated along with the history of name calling for Obama.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:12 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

258. and who else calls the Pres these sorts of names: Ted Nugent.

That nails it if you ask me.

If the OP is using Ted Nugent's words and expects NOT to be called racist, well - I guess he thinks he's a bigger 'star' that he really is if he expects that to slide. Maybe that is his whole problem, he is not the star he thinks he is, he is realizing it, and is acting out.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:33 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

426. how the fuck can it be interpreted as such?

how?!! is snake oil salesman racist now too?

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

alp227 (30,737 posts)

157. heh

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

sharp_stick (14,399 posts)

13. I prefer the term

attention whoring instead of racist but "used car salesman" is an over the top term used just to piss everyone off.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:13 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

16. trying to shut up critics with FALSE claims of racism is contemptible

despicable.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:16 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

24. Constantly referring to the President as a "used car salesman" is not about "critics"

It's the kind of name calling that one expects from RW racists.

That is what is "contemptible."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:36 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

61. I haven't ever referred to him by that phrase

but the vast majority of used car salesmen I've ever seen over the decades, whether in person or on tv have been white, so I'm not sure where you're getting 'racism' out of that, as opposed to just insulting.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:19 AM

reddread (6,896 posts)

30. bottoming out

but what can you expect? They have their backs against the Iraq policies of a stolen administration,
and they have that administration's back!
They need some scapegoats pronto, and Nader is not gonna work here.

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Response to reddread (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:39 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

67. It's contemptible. It doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty to cover

the unattractive truth of the op's agenda: Shut up people who criticize the president.

there is nothing even the tiniest bit racist about referring to the President as a "used car salesman".

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:44 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

77. It would require "intellectual honesty" to acknowledge the point, and not attempt to distort it. n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:50 AM

reddread (6,896 posts)

88. completely contemptible. Is there really any standards of decency here?

This pretty much shatters any illusions about that.
On the other hand, Im afraid they havent hit rock bottom yet.

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Response to reddread (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:11 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

139. ''Is there really any standards of decency here?''

certainly not in the OP... please proceed reddread.

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Response to reddread (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:29 PM

Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)

463. There used to be....

But that was before your time, apparently.

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:08 PM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

130. It's also race-baiting. And carefully tailored to juuuuuust

avoid directly calling out a DUer and calling the person a "RW racist." It implies that someone must be a "RW racist," which is laughably unsupportable, but really is just nasty pot-stirring.

And likely conceived as "flypaper" in hopes of getting someone angry enough to jump over the line.

Childish in the extreme. And bad strategy.

Meeting name-calling with far more offensive, not to mention wildly off-base name calling is a loser.

This is the precise behavior that undermines any argument that Obama partisans are more reasonable or more civilized than those who criticize.

I'll take a thousand people taking a questionably harsh tone in criticizing over one full-time, dedicated pot-stirrer playing games with charges of racism any day.

Who wouldn't?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:50 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

217. quite right.

it's about as ugly as you can get to insinuate that someone is a racist. I'm not a big Will Pitt fan, but sneakily calling him a racist is about as low as one can stoop.

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Response to cali (Reply #217)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:08 PM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

250. It's very "RW" to rely on cutesy tailoring as well.

Calling someone you disagree with a RW racist and then (and I cannot believe I am even typing this) PRETENDING that saying 'expected of a RW racist' keeps it somehow inbounds is a level of childishness that beggars belief.

It's the verbal equivalent of the kid in the backseat, having been told not to touch his brother, pointing a finger right in front of his face saying "I'm not touching you!"

Really? You guys think this is a winning approach?

THIS is the way real rightwing idiots think. "Oooh, but we didn't say WE wanted to hurt the President, we said 'SOMEONE SHOULD' do that. Har har har."

With the little smirk and the stupid guffaw to go with, of course.

Somehow a certain level of intellect has entirely lost track of the fact that others can actually SEE you acting in bad faith, and the fact that you get your friends to scream along with you doesn't create an argument that will convince anyone.

No one thinks racism or rightwingers has a single thing to do with whatever the post is that has a few unfortunate people in such an uproar. No one. Not the people saying it. Not the people defending it. Every single person reading any of this knows the OP is nothing but a cutesy, small-minded ploy of the weakest possible kind.

It's a level of discourse that is beneath a small child. Beneath anyone, but the most contemptible and thoughtless of internet poo-flingers.

Very sad to see on a liberal discussion board.

We are supposed to be smarter than this.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #250)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:41 PM

laundry_queen (8,646 posts)

584. The same tactics the right used to try to sell the war.

"We didn't SAY Iraqis attacked us on 9/11"

And here it is, on DU, being used against DUers.

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Response to cali (Reply #217)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

277. This to me show the jurors made a huge mistake . . .

in leaving that post by Pitt up.

We wouldn't have all these off-shoot threads with raging arguments if they had just hidden that disgusting post.

And why isn't everyone using the whole quote — "piece of shit used car salesman"?

Is that being conveniently forgotten?

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Response to brush (Reply #277)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:41 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

289. I can't agree that will's op should have been hidden

I wish he hadn't posted it, but that's another story.

I also wish the President hadn't addressed the issue the way he did.

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Response to cali (Reply #289)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:11 PM

brush (34,022 posts)

313. The first time

Guess there's always a first.

Cali, this is the first time, as I recall, that I have to agree to disagree with you.

DU, IMO is not freeperville. I still think the jurors made a mistake by leaving that post up.

BTW, they're laughing at us because of Pitt's post on gopthedailydose.com.

Giftedgirl77 alerted me, see the link:

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

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Response to brush (Reply #277)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:45 PM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

292. That's called "The Heckler's veto."

You don't censor things on the basis that someone will have an insanely inappropriate reaction to it.

You disagree; you think something's over the top, or in bad taste, you address it. You don't take it to an entirely new level of stupid by race-baiting and playing cutesy games as to whether you're calling someone out or not.

If anything, people who react like this should be provoked more often. They need understand they can't poo-fling people into silence.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:14 PM

OnyxCollie (9,958 posts)

494. "Flypaper" OP's

It's purge time, baby!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

Rex (65,616 posts)

18. It's a good thing GD is now the new META.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

JNelson6563 (28,131 posts)

19. It reveals a simplistic perspective of things, that's for sure.

But hey, it's good for attention.

And when one isn't busy gazing into the reflecting pool with Narcissus, getting lots of fawning attention is the next best thing I suppose.

Julie

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:15 AM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

21. Absolutely, it just shows how immature and pathetic the attention seeker is.

Reading comprehension in regards to Obama now agreeing with the Iraq War: Fail
Oh, I really meant the CAR was a piece of shit! : Fail
Oh, I wouldn't have made a death threat if I knew it was a *girlllllll, but sure if it was a guy, why not?! : Fail
Takes 3 months to help find ACA solutions and can't but blames Obama: Fail
Karl Rove Indicted!: Fail
Attempted invention of a new way to record passing time as 24 Business Hours: Fail

The Fail is strong in this One.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:33 AM

sheshe2 (70,601 posts)

57. +1

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:27 PM

msanthrope (37,549 posts)

174. Oh come on! The attempts to diagram that sentence would have made Sister Polycarp,

my fourth grade teacher, laugh in disgust and amusement.....

Oh...no one was calling the President a "piece of shit"...no, no...merely that he is a used car salesman who sells pieces of shit.

Seriously...if I'd called the President a piece of shit, I'd have the courage to own it. I wouldn't try to defend myself by backing down and claiming that everyone who reads English simply misunderstood the placement of modifiers.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #174)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM

randome (34,845 posts)

323. 'Polycarp'?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #323)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:30 PM

msanthrope (37,549 posts)

324. Know your martyrs......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom_of_Polycarp

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #174)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:21 AM

MADem (135,425 posts)

610. I used to hate that sentence diagramming stuff--I don't know if they make the kids do that any more!

If no one was calling POTUS a piece of shit, I guess when someone talks about a "millionaire used car salesman" they mean all the cars are "millionaires!" Who knew?

Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:28 PM

okaawhatever (8,842 posts)

177. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:35 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

193. Could someone clue us in on the "24 Business Hour" ... it's been in some other threads

... +100000 on your post

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #193)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:45 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

211. When truthout ran the Karl Rove is Indicted! story in May of 2006

they gave a time when it was to actually Happen.

Well, obviously it didn't happen at that particular time (or ever) so when questions were starting to be asked about that, Jason Leopold and Pitt explained that it was '24 business hours' and not real time, just to bide their time until the story became real to their fanciful little heads.

yeh. it was that stupid.

So a lot of people started to disbelieve the whole made up stories (we have sources, honest!) and calling the OP out after which he had a fit with calling everyone on DU a fucking asshole, including Skinner if my memory serves, that gave him a hard time about the comical '24 business hours' and questioning his greatness. I think that was One of the times he was given a 'time out' from DU. There were others, that is why he is now Will Pitt instead of William Rivers Pitt and some other variation.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #211)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:57 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

232. thx! lets me know WP has always shown this pattern of behavior

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #232)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:08 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

248. always. Which make me think he and Greenwald make a good team.

similar styles.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #248)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:11 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

255. Makes one go hmmmmmmm....

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #193)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:56 PM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

231. That poster's problem was solved in 24 hours

thanks to the help of DUers who ignored his bullshit and offered ways to fix the problem.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #231)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:57 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

235. ah... the medicine thing that got 150+ recs

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #231)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:00 PM

dionysus (26,467 posts)

360. no, karl rove was supposed to be indicted within 24 hours... when that didn't happen, it changed to

24 "business hours"...

..and then it just.. never happened...

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:53 PM

lamp_shade (13,716 posts)

345. That's my take as well.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #345)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:10 PM

lamp_shade (13,716 posts)

441. ...

nudge

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:48 AM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

604. You win the thread! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:16 AM

IrishAyes (6,151 posts)

23. Couldn't agree more.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

28. I had an uncle that was a used car salesman and he had integrity...

something more should aspire to seeking.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

pnwmom (104,071 posts)

31. Yes, it's a personally demeaning slur that implies the writer

disagrees with everything the President does. In which case, the writer really doesn't belong here.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

snooper2 (30,151 posts)

32. I think he is worried about his job...With election season coming up

He is just trying to rally the "far left" as much as possible to get MONEY MONEY MONEY

We all know it's going to be Dem vs. Repuke and he is running out of time to use the far left vs. left meme. The far left will get completely drowned out when we have the next Sarah Palin to make fun of and Romney to investigate.

So I think he is trying to get the last few months of far left rararrrrarwwar out

I mean, what's he going to write about in a year. They all suck so stay home? Also notice he drops his shit bombs then never replies, stays away from DU for days. Then cycle repeats.

&list=UUCZ4F8iGWpWh7eOi1v8wTTg

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:16 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

151. There is a connection between truthout and Glenn Greenwald.

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/organizations

Greenwald most likely gave orders to spread feces - I mean if Truthout is on the donation page of Freedom of the Press, of which Greenwald and Poitras are directors, among others, how likely it is that someone who works for TO gave the President a fair shake?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:23 PM

snooper2 (30,151 posts)

167. interesting, the more we know

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Response to Whisp (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:37 PM

Spazito (36,799 posts)

284. I figured there was an agenda behind the recent anti-Obama rants and it was ...

related to Truthout, your post makes eminent sense re the Greenwald ties whose constant anti-Obama rants are beyond nauseating.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:29 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

276. can we rename it Toothout? That was Painful to watch.

Talk about used car salesmen! omg.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #276)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:31 AM

Cha (269,211 posts)

623. How about

hateout.com? He wouldn't know the "truth" if it gobsmacked him.

Heartening to see all these Peeps Rec PS's thread.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:21 AM

Glassunion (10,201 posts)

34. Is "used car salesman" a racist remark? (nt)

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:39 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

430. anything directed towards Obama that isn't painted in a positive light is now racist..

terms that have never before been used in a racial connotation are now to be considered racist. fucking unbelievable and an affront to people that have suffered because of REAL racism.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

krawhitham (4,341 posts)

484. Oh, no no, it's cool, He's taking it back

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

Octafish (55,745 posts)

37. Bullshit.

You're free to disagree, but don't label someone something they are not.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:25 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

42. No, it's not "bullshit"

"You're free to disagree, but don't label someone something they are not."

More attempting to justify despicable name calling.

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 PM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

405. Calling someone a used car salesman has nothing to do with racism.

It does not.

It might call one's honesty into question but it is not a racial epithet.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:38 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

468. Amazing how easy it is for you to call someone a racist. n-t

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Response to Octafish (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:36 PM

uponit7771 (74,656 posts)

195. unless they do the same things as the label right? I mean, walk like a duck talk like a duck?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:24 AM

William769 (51,445 posts)

40. The OP survived a jury.

Good!

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Response to William769 (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:38 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

469. Yours did not......good! n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #469)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:46 PM

William769 (51,445 posts)

479. I don't mind taking one for the team for such a worthy cause.

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Response to William769 (Reply #479)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

483. No one gave a shit about your post. It was sinking like a rock. lol. nt

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:53 PM

William769 (51,445 posts)

487. It bothered someone enough to alert on it.

P.S. From the time it was posted till it was hidden, it never left the front page and was recommeded enough to make the trending on the front page!

What have you got? Thats what I thought.

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Response to William769 (Reply #487)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:57 PM

Cha (269,211 posts)

523. Oh that one got a nerve touched! thanks for taking

one for the team, William.. I just Rec it!

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Response to Cha (Reply #523)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:46 PM

William769 (51,445 posts)

543. Thanks. Looks like someone is away licking his wounds.

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Response to William769 (Reply #543)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:00 PM

Cha (269,211 posts)

553. Love Wins, William..

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:55 PM

Cha (269,211 posts)

521. Oh yeah.. it's still getting Recs and it's locked.

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:17 PM

sheshe2 (70,601 posts)

577. I did!

And it's still getting rec's!

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 PM

Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)

580. Yuck.

Do you have another gear?

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Response to William769 (Reply #479)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 03:42 AM

cui bono (19,926 posts)

632. You just pointed out exactly what the problem on DU is. You think you're on a different "team" than

other DUers.

What are the teams?

I thought we were all here to stand up for Democratic Party principles, you know, like defending democracy, the constitution, equal rights.

But now I'm confused. So what team did you "take one" for?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:24 AM

The Second Stone (2,900 posts)

41. Was it racist when we called Nixon a used car salesman?

Not all criticisms are racist.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:40 AM

Zen Democrat (5,877 posts)

68. I immediately thought of the question always asked about Tricky Dick ...

"Would you buy a used car from this man?" Inasmuch as Nixon was a crook, it was an appropriate question.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #68)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

The Second Stone (2,900 posts)

109. Yes, well, we are really old

old and in the way.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

G_j (40,193 posts)

44. is anyone going to explain how the term "used car salesman" is racist?

no? I didn't think so.

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Response to G_j (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

52. Well,

"is anyone going to explain how the term "used car salesman" is racist?"

...first one has to understand the point, and not ignore it.

As I said, it's despicable name calling.

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:36 AM

G_j (40,193 posts)

59. impressive dance steps

using the term racist, without technically breaking the rules. tricky!!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:45 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

78. Just because you repeat something over and over again doesn't make it true.

"The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists. "

You're displaying faulty logic here. Just because you personally have decided that you 'expect' it, doesn't actually make it so.

Reality is probably a Venn diagram, with a set of people who are RW racists, a set of people who repeatedly use that term, and some tiny fraction of overlap.

Most racists are no doubt calling the President far more insulting things. And even most people who are insulting towards the President probably aren't racists.

So instead of actually giving even the faintest justification for your belief that 'RW racists' would use the phrase 'used car salesman', you simply sidestep and repeat the same claim over and over, without even bothering to explain why you think the phrase is something to which a "RW racist" would gravitate.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:50 AM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

89. "Most racists are no doubt calling the President far more insulting things."

It's a RW-style attack to pick a derogatory label and constantly repeat it.

It's nothing more than despicable name calling. It cannot be justified.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #89)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:56 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

100. That's a better reply than you gave other folks, at least.

I think 'constantly repeating' any particular name is lazy, myself, unless the behaviour that results in the insult is also constantly repeated.

Perhaps those who are using it feel they are constantly and repeatedly being 'hard-sold' on policies and ideas that don't live up to the promises made.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:16 PM

leftstreet (32,582 posts)

154. So, you can't explain how it's racist

I was genuinely curious since I've never heard a racist claim like that

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #154)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

ProSense (116,464 posts)

159. I can't "explain" the point to anyone who can't seem to get it. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #159)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:23 PM

leftstreet (32,582 posts)

166. Is 'used car salesman' associated with skin color?

Yes or No

I've never heard of something like that

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:54 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

227. Isn't this only the second time the term has been used?

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #227)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:13 AM

Cha (269,211 posts)

608. No.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4686372

And, for the record.. he wouldn't know the "truth" if it gobsmacked him.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:36 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

283. We expect racists

...to call people Used Car Salesmen?

Hmmm.....ok lol

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Response to G_j (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:04 PM

whopis01 (2,929 posts)

364. No one claimed that the term is racist.

I'm not arguing one side or the other or accusing anyone of being racist - just trying to explain some of the confusion in the argument.

Calling someone "stupid" isn't racist. The term "stupid" is not racist. However, calling someone stupid because of their race is racist.

The argument in the OP was that using a derogatory term when referring to Obama is something that would be expected of a RW racist. And I would agree with that. I would expect that a racist would use derogatory terms (not necessarily always racist terms) to refer to the president.

However I would not agree that anyone who used a derogatory term for Obama was a racist. And the OP never made that claim either. What they did, in my opinion, was carefully word their post to make it appear that was what they were implying while preserving a logical escape route for themselves. I believe it was posted as a trap designed to get readers to make a simple logical error and bait them into an argument over it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:28 AM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

46. K & R, this should not be on DU, joining in with RW noise should be left to FOX.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:29 AM

hootinholler (26,449 posts)

47. What if he gets a job at Car Max?

I'm not getting the racist! part. Care to explain?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:29 AM

Katashi_itto (10,175 posts)

48. Op # of posts 113,961

On Du 9 years

12,662 posts a year

average 1055 posts a month

running at 35 posts a day, say an average 30 day month....

quite hefty for a single person

Kudos.....

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:22 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

165. And Prosense does lots of research in his post, quiet accomolished.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #165)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:45 PM

Katashi_itto (10,175 posts)

337. Yep, I'll bet almost like it's a team at work

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #337)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:54 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

348. Why are being critical?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #348)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:58 PM

Katashi_itto (10,175 posts)

358. Go do some research of the op anti-snowden posts...

Runs like a disinformation campaign

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #358)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:06 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

366. I have researched, find the pro-Snowden misinformed on several areas

I have read their post and other articles written by the pro-Snowden. I have researched Sniwden and those who surround him, there are problems. post by Prosense may not be what you want to hear but it doesn't change their facts. Is his post why you are critical?

Constantly referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is expected of a RW racist.

1. Or an immature cry for attention.

63. That's my take as well

104. ^^That

107. There is something wrong, and his 'friends' should have a talkie with him privately

205. Exactly!

279. I told everyone that cynicism makes people hateful and bitter.

332. Precisely.

643. ..

376. Rightwing racists

425. Welcome

433. I don't believe the people on DU who don't like Obama

440. ...

663. Welcome to DU, randys1!

685. thanks

427. I thought whining about DU violated the SOP. These hateful threads arent going

482. This thread isn't "whining about DU." It's taking issue with a characterization of the POTUS. nt

492. Ah yes, "taking issue" not whining. Sadly, I think you believe it. nm

505. It's not about "believing" anything--it is about being able to read and write

511. Whining about DU is "I dont like that someone posted something that isnt positive

596. Thanks for so eagerly proving my point. You're pretending that "DU" is synonymous with

599. Excellent points, MADem..

605. I read that ToS every now and again!

612. Here, hear, MADem. nt

613. Why, thank you! nt

640. Nailed it. nt

664. This OP is intended to stir up trouble and it's one of a dozen or so lately

676. Ahhhh....I see what you're saying!! YOU are entitled to express an opinion--but I'm not!

674. I must admit I've been bothered by that "piece of shit used car salesman" bit ever since I saw it.

677. I agree with you. He's not the enemy; he's a guy doing a tough job with a House that has

481. Indeed....

501. That was a bullshit hide. n/t

507. Concur completely. Times like this, I wish Skinner could "undo" grievous errors like that.

569. Rec'd. Don't see much in the other threads that show anyone gives a flying fuck about people...

589. +1 nt

606. I love that quote there.

510. The fact that post was hidden while the unhinged spittle flecked stupidity that lead to it was not

590. Yes, ma'am. I think you nailed it!

591. nailed it

519. Just Rec It, thanks. Wow.. that was a Bullshit hide. The real used car salesman

524. It's intended to SELL BOOKS and Webclicks to Blogs/Websites

601. Much like the glenn greenwald bullshit

588. yep no reward nt

2. It's Republicans that are used car salesman.

412. wasn't issa a used car saleman at one time? nt

417. He was a car thief....

3. I disagree...no racial overtones at all in this...however, calling Barbara Lee

6. Equally BS, and typical of RW racists. Both uncalled for. n/t

22. You could say calling Obama a used car salesman is insulting,

26. It's despicable name calling, and on the level of what a RW racist would do.

51. Yes, name calling is despicable

108. It's borderline racist IMO

218. Agree 100% with your post!

315. How is "piece of shit used car salesman" racist at all or even borderline?

325. You may not find it offensive and borderline racist . . .

331. but have you ever sold used cars?

349. But what about "piece of shit used car salesman" . . .

369. Mmmmm. Perhaps you're painting w. a broad... ahem... *brush* here.

378. Perhaps, but IMO the brush isn't that broad.

428. The mere fact that they're insulting Obama in ways they never would a white President

678. Why do you think I'm white because I won't jump on the call anyone racist as a casual defense

686. No casual defense IMO

688. I think all kinds of motherfuckers are pieces of shit and worse and have said so

689. You made some good points . . .

328. Probably because it resembles a remark made by Ted Nugent recently.

393. why would ANYBODY listen to Ted Nugent?

406. It gets posted here.

611. People (especially politicians) have been compared to used car salesmen since Nugent was thought of.

615. It was in regard to Dick Nixon: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" because he looked shifty

668. Are you saying folks were racist for comparing Dick Nixon to a used car salesman?

327. "serial ranter"

363. I mean going off more than once on a preferred target nt

572. Yeah, a rw site is jerking off to the full blown used car hateon..

587. Very much the same as the GOP did on all the same subjects. n/t

221. I don't think they are saying that the term is racist.

237. WTF is going on here?

240. this op is in resposne to the most recent used car salesman thread...

282. I read the original "piece of shit used car salesman" thread

370. There was a new one today...

380. A new one by Pitt?

369. Mmmmm. Perhaps you're painting w. a broad... ahem... brush here.