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Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:58 AM

Constantly referring to President Obama as a "used car salesman" is expected of a RW racist.

It should not be acceptable on a site promoting Democrats.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:00 AM

1. Or an immature cry for attention.

The solution is to not reward the attention getting maneuvers.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:37 AM

63. That's my take as well

 

The need for attention is strong in that one.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:57 AM

104. ^^That

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

107. There is something wrong, and his 'friends' should have a talkie with him privately

 

but instead they are encouraging that sick behaviour by cheering him on.

Something is very wrong.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #107)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:40 PM

205. Exactly!

It's the same lame BS with the same lame crowd day after day, nothing but negative crap and smart ass insults. Of course it's the "Obamabots" that the problem on this board, according the them!

Why they get away with it is beyond me.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

279. I told everyone that cynicism makes people hateful and bitter.

 

Look at all the cynics on DU, bitter and filled with hate. Les Miserables.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:39 PM

332. Precisely.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #332)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:03 AM

643. ..

nudge

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:19 PM

376. Rightwing racists

The right in America completely lost what little mind they had when Obama was first elected, and they have not experienced a rational day since.

The hate is beyond words.

And the fact that this November our country is going to look around and say "the problem is not enough republicans" makes me want to cry...

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:33 PM

425. Welcome

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:46 PM

433. I don't believe the people on DU who don't like Obama

Are right wing racists. I know people who despise him who are very progressive and not the least bit racist. They are angry that he isn't progressive enough. And I agree that he isn't, but they close their eyes to all the good things he has accomplished in his time fighting the republican'ts.

I am an progressive idealist, as I wish everyone was, but know that isn't true and cannot be true. I'm also a realist and don't expect miracles...and I realize that in a country that is both progressive and conservative, change doesn't happen quickly. That's not to say we cannot keep fighting. We must keep fighting, and it hurts to see the ideologues just give up when they don't get everything they wanted. People who quit never win.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #433)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:05 PM

440. ...

No, criticizing Obama from the left is absolutely sensible, I do it everyday, though I am careful to remember that he needs support and the alternative is literal hell on earth.

Criticizing him from the right is pure hypocrisy and racism or bigotry depending on the person.

Almost everything Obama has done was OK with righty before he was for it.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #376)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:36 AM

663. Welcome to DU, randys1!

Glad you're here! It's just almost blindingly mind-bending, isn't it!

Your statement here: And the fact that this November our country is going to look around and say "the problem is not enough republicans" makes me want to cry...

MAN, no kidding! No Freakin' Kidding!

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Response to calimary (Reply #663)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:22 AM

685. thanks

watching life story of Bill Hicks at the moment, thanks for the welcome

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:35 PM

427. I thought whining about DU violated the SOP. These hateful threads arent going

 

to help us in 2014.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #427)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

482. This thread isn't "whining about DU." It's taking issue with a characterization of the POTUS. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #482)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:08 PM

492. Ah yes, "taking issue" not whining. Sadly, I think you believe it. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #492)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:27 PM

505. It's not about "believing" anything--it is about being able to read and write

in the English language.

Sadly, that can be a challenge for some to comprehend, quite apparently.

Whining about DU is "I don't like this jury result," or "I think this poster is an asshole." Or even "Why don't the admins change the TOS to include my pet gripe?" The kind of stuff that the admins--not mob rule--resolve.

Taking issue with a characterization of a political leader would be something like "I don't like the way the POTUS was portrayed in this post. My view is the opposite of this opinion."

By your POV, anyone who posts a dissenting view on any topic after a post is written is "whining about DU." But see, your POV is just wrong.

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Response to MADem (Reply #505)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:41 PM

511. Whining about DU is "I dont like that someone posted something that isnt positive

 

about the President". It's getting out of hand with thread after thread after thread of how no one should say anything bad about the President. If you dont think we should speak out, even if it looks remotely unfavorable towards the President, then you dont understand what a Democrat is.

And you said: "it is about being able to read and write in the English language. Sadly, that can be a challenge for some to comprehend, quite apparently." You just cant have a conversation with out getting into the shit.


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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #511)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:28 AM

596. Thanks for so eagerly proving my point. You're pretending that "DU" is synonymous with

"the President." One is a website for liberals and progressives who want to elect more Dems and fewer Republicans to public office...and the other is the President of the United States.

See where you tripped yourself up, there?

What's getting "out of hand" is posters who ignore this rather salient paragraph in the TOS:

One more thing: Don't push your luck.
The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Members who demonstrate a pattern of disruptive behavior over time and end up getting too many of their posts hidden by the jury (measured by raw number or percentage) may be found to be in violation of our Terms of Service. If you seem to be ruining this website for a large proportion of our visitors, if we think the community as a whole would be better off without you here, if you are constantly wasting the DU Administrators' time, if you seem to oppose the mission of DU, or if the DU Administrators just don't like you, we will revoke your posting privileges. Remember: DU is supposed to be fun — don't make it suck.


See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.


And last, but most certainly not least;

--Makes DU suck. Once makes it suck a bit. Twice makes it suck to Walt Starr proportions. Rallying minions to cheerlead that kind of suckage? Now, the meter is pegged.

It's not my website, but if it were, I'd get out the Hoover and vacuum up that mess, and empty the bag straight away.

And as for conversations, you can't seem to have one without making a nasty personal comment. Like you just did, yet again. Wonder why that is? I'm not talking about you, your 'tudes, your mama, your mental state--any of that "shit." I argue the merits. All I do is tell the truth, and you think it's hell, to paraphrase Harry Truman.

You don't want to be called out for not reading before hitting the reply button, then just read the posts before you respond to them--it takes a few minutes, but believe it or not, it actually makes for better conversation. I urge you to make it a habit.





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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:40 AM

599. Excellent points, MADem..

See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"


--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.


--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'


--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.

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Response to Cha (Reply #599)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:55 AM

605. I read that ToS every now and again!

I wish more people would--we'd probably not have to deal with so many of these "drama club" posts.

Remember the old DU rules?

I used to read those things every month or so, because they kept getting bigger and bigger, longer and longer! I've kept the habit with the ToS and the Community Standards, as well as the Statements of Purpose for the forums and groups. Doesn't hurt to remember why we're here!

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:31 AM

612. Here, hear, MADem. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #612)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:36 AM

613. Why, thank you! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 06:43 AM

640. Nailed it. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:40 AM

664. This OP is intended to stir up trouble and it's one of a dozen or so lately

 

aimed at the same thing.

"It's not my website, but if it were, I'd get out the Hoover and vacuum up that mess, and empty the bag straight away. " I think that says it all right there. Purge all those that dare speak out and dont follow the script. Well good luck.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #664)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:06 PM

676. Ahhhh....I see what you're saying!! YOU are entitled to express an opinion--but I'm not!

See how that works?

It's not a question of "purging" those who "dare to speak out." Anyone can "speak out." People do "speak out" here, every day. They differ on a wide range of issues. The difference is, they do it civilly, without the junior high school drama, without the attention-seeking histrionics.

I guess the concept of disagreeing without being disagreeable is a foreign one to you?

Policy differences are expected on ANY discussion board. But name-calling, with or without profanity, and childish insults? Those are the mark of an individual who is having difficulty expressing him or herself in an adult manner.

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Response to MADem (Reply #596)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:41 AM

674. I must admit I've been bothered by that "piece of shit used car salesman" bit ever since I saw it.

Um… you'd prefer the alternative maybe? republi-CONS would work out better for ya?

I'm afraid I was hurt and disappointed. I hate seeing discord being sown anywhere - and especially here. We're all supposed to be shoulder-to-shoulder against a common enemy, aren't we? The President is NOT the enemy. You'd rather have romney in there? Or mccain with his pathetic little idiot girlfriend-sidekick in their second term? Sowing seeds of that level of discontent - at least in my sometimes-feeble opinion - is really only sowing the seeds of Dems-throw-up-their-hands-and-stay-home-on-Election-Day-because-they're-just-all-alike. And that gets you the GOP back in the White House. If that's not counterproductive, I don't know what is. I'll bet slinging shit like that is just what warms the cockles of the CONS' "hearts" (assuming of course they even have hearts). They LOVE the smell of Democrats tearing each other apart in the morning. Hey kids, let's treat them to MORE!!!!

These are excellent points, MADem.

See, a lot of people think that calling POTUS a "piece of shit used car salesman"

--Does NOT promote a positive atmosphere.

--Does NOT promote 'good discussions.'

--Demonstrates a "pattern of disruptive behavior"--particularly when it's done more than once, "con brio."

--Ruins the website for a large number of visitors (judging by the pushback from competing threads on the subject).

--Seems to OPPOSE the mission of DU.


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Response to calimary (Reply #674)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:08 PM

677. I agree with you. He's not the enemy; he's a guy doing a tough job with a House that has

gone out of their way to screw with him, continuously and deliberately, since the GOP got the majority, and a Republican caucus that has had making his life miserable their personal agenda since Jan 09..

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:47 PM

481. Indeed....

On this thread, which was inexplicably hidden,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024736507#top

but which can still be rec'd....there is a theory that the "cry for attention" is a way of auditioning for new employment.

There's also a report at that same link that he's attracted some right-wing attention at a conservative hate site, as the newest "leftie" spokesman against the ACA.

It's all very embarrassing.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:22 PM

501. That was a bullshit hide. n/t

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Response to one_voice (Reply #501)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:29 PM

507. Concur completely. Times like this, I wish Skinner could "undo" grievous errors like that.

On the bright side, the thread can still be rec'd!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #507)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:34 PM

569. Rec'd. Don't see much in the other threads that show anyone gives a flying fuck about people...

These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'.

~ Saul Alinsky


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Response to freshwest (Reply #569)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:59 PM

589. +1 nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #569)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:03 AM

606. I love that quote there.

This is the DU member formerly known as Jamaal510.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

510. The fact that post was hidden while the unhinged spittle flecked stupidity that lead to it was not

is indicative better than anything of how far this place has fallen. The trolls have been squatting at DU for a long time. Now they can be proud to call it home.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #510)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

590. Yes, ma'am. I think you nailed it!

I cannot argue against your conclusions!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #510)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:01 AM

591. nailed it

more like AntiDemocraticUnderground.com now.

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Response to MADem (Reply #481)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:50 PM

519. Just Rec It, thanks. Wow.. that was a Bullshit hide. The real used car salesman

is such a fucking divider.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:58 PM

524. It's intended to SELL BOOKS and Webclicks to Blogs/Websites

n/t

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #524)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41 AM

601. Much like the glenn greenwald bullshit

hate on the President posted here.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:57 PM

588. yep no reward nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:03 AM

2. It's Republicans that are used car salesman.

It's what they do. It's what they are. They give their followers a handful of dog shit and convince them it's a bouquet of roses. It's the only reason they have been successful at winning any elections. They've convinced their followers that there is massive voter fraud, Obama was born in Kenya, there are death panels in ACA, and these people believe them.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:31 PM

412. wasn't issa a used car saleman at one time? nt

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #412)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:54 PM

417. He was a car thief....

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

3. I disagree...no racial overtones at all in this...however, calling Barbara Lee

 

a hustler...now that's racist.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:07 AM

6. Equally BS, and typical of RW racists. Both uncalled for. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:15 AM

22. You could say calling Obama a used car salesman is insulting,

 

but I don't think it's racist or intended to be.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

26. It's despicable name calling, and on the level of what a RW racist would do.

Period.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 AM

51. Yes, name calling is despicable

but not racist in this case I think.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

108. It's borderline racist IMO

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:56 PM - Edit history (2)

And he didn't just called him a used car salesman, he called him a "piece of shit used car salesman" — some, including me, feel that that was dangerously close to stepping on or over the borderline.

This particular serial ranter also went off on the president after the SOTU speech by claiming he used the injured solder by parading him before the nation . . . or some such foolishness.

It seemed to go over his head completely that the president asked the solder to appear and then went on to make a profound anti-war comment to "get off permanent war footing" so that we wouldn't continue to have servicemen and women return with shattered lives — a pretty clear juxtaposition, not that subtle or hard to comprehend.

There definitely seems to be an attention-seeking, talking point-like agenda with that particular serial ranter.



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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:50 PM

218. Agree 100% with your post!

Sometimes I feel I'm reading from a right wing page when I read those type of comments here.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:14 PM

315. How is "piece of shit used car salesman" racist at all or even borderline?

I find the accusation absurd, unreasonable, and unsupported by even stereotype.

Why would you assert such a thing? What is the rationale?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #315)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:31 PM

325. You may not find it offensive and borderline racist . . .

but I do, from personal experience.

I'm a black guy. You might be black but I'd guess you're a white guy.

So I think we come from totally different perspectives on the matter.

There is no call for what Pitt did, especially on this site. If I want to read that crapola about a sitting Democratic president I'll go to freeperville. Have some respect for the office for God's sake!

And BTW, they're laughing at us because of Pitt's post on gopthedailydose.com.

Giftedgirl77 alerted me, see the link:

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

No way we should be giving the repugs ammunition for the 2014 mid-terms with posts like Pitt's.

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Response to brush (Reply #325)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:39 PM

331. but have you ever sold used cars?

Now, the term "cotton picker" would be racist. Or "pimp". Or any number of other terms assigned by racists.

Used car salesman? Not so much.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #331)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:55 PM

349. But what about "piece of shit used car salesman" . . .

or the "trained ape . . ." comment by Rumsfeld about Obama.

Or the "lazy inner city men who don't want to work" by Paul Ryan?

To me they're all from the same dog-whistle-cloth that comes out sometimes with a careless slip of the tongue and reveals true feelings.

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Response to brush (Reply #349)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:11 PM

369. Mmmmm. Perhaps you're painting w. a broad... ahem... *brush* here.

 

POS used car salesman = disrespect? Sure.
= racist? No

Lazy inner city men, trained ape? Yes.


Everything that annoys one is not "racist".

Often it's just annoying.

Broad brush.



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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #369)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:22 PM

378. Perhaps, but IMO the brush isn't that broad.

Why even go there calling the first black president a piece of shit on a progressive site no less?

It's very close to dog whistle stuff, agenda-driven, teaparty stuff to me. All he had to do was misspell a couple of words and he would have been right there.

But he's a writer so I don't expect him to misspell words. But because he is a writer, i do expect him to be able to express himself better than calling a sitting Democratic president a "piece of shit" on a progressive site.

No excuse for it.

Borderline.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #331)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:37 PM

428. The mere fact that they're insulting Obama in ways they never would a white President

makes it racist. Whether the specific content is racist or not.

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Response to brush (Reply #325)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:25 PM

678. Why do you think I'm white because I won't jump on the call anyone racist as a casual defense

bandwagon?

I am no more white than the President and no less black.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #678)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:14 AM

686. No casual defense IMO

Starting with the teaparty, from overt racist name calling to subtler dog whistle code words directed towards the president have become common.

Calling the president a piece of shit is not even dog-whistling, it's so cavalierly thrown out, like it's acceptable, that it's certainlly makes me wonder what that particular serial ranter's agenda is.

I haven't seen that vitriol directed at say Boenher, or Issa, or McCain, but with a black president it's OK, and a Democratic one as well?

I don't think so.

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Response to brush (Reply #686)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:20 PM

688. I think all kinds of motherfuckers are pieces of shit and worse and have said so

Now am I racist against everyone but some island and aboriginal folks (largely due to lack of exposure to enough to find the sure shitballs).

There is no special tie into racism with "piece of shit", not that it is anything but raw invective, white hot with ZERO kindness inferred but racist? Only when tied to racist overall argument.

Call it vile, call it nasty, call it beyond the pale, call it absurd and uncalled for but racist is really reaching and seemingly depends on some weird telepathy and a bizarre take on human psychology that thinks a turncoat (doesn't matter if you agree with that assessment, if the person does woe be unto them that they think sold them out to the enemy) should draw less ire than an enemy.

Also, I have to say the tact seems somewhat selectively dishonest. Plenty of white folks get the shit slammed out of them and called everything but a child of God. Even supposed Democrats like Lieberman, Landrieu, Harry Reid gets killed by both sides and the middle, I've seen Alan Grayson treated like shit to his fucking face right here on this site, MAX BAUCUS! (are you kidding?), Hillary Clinton gets shredded and TeaPubliKlans? Never seen the grave pissing road trip threads, the frogmarch their asses to the guillotine threads? Dubya? DICK CHENEY (are really you being serious?) Rick Scott (of course it is all true)?

Even your examples are wrong, you can surely find plenty of hot pokers being poked are returned all three, especially Issa and McShame when he was of any relevance to anyone aside Sunday morning talk shows.

You seem to have decided that talking shitty about a black President is inherently racist and I argue that is silly because it doesn't really explain the preceding 200+ years of talking shit and nasty about Presidents that has clearly been the case even at the highest levels from the very beginning.

Not to say there isn't a TON of very racist shit in the mix too because there is no shortage at all but you can't wrap all discontent, disrespect, nastiness, or even outright contempt up in that same package just because some is motivated exactly by that doesn't mean all of it is at all.

You can't even articulate what the racism you are calling out is. You are talking about teabaggers and vitriol you "haven't seen" to turn a common expression that usual makes one think of a poorly dressed and unsavory looking middle aged white guy as a racial slur when it just isn't and now you and others want to INSIST it must and can only be so despite it not ever being such before in this culture.

This has crossed into looking for the boogieman territory now. Being black is no defense from people talking crazy about you.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #688)

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 02:07 PM

689. You made some good points . . .

I remain unconvinced though.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #315)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:38 PM

328. Probably because it resembles a remark made by Ted Nugent recently.

 

He calls the president a piece of shit, WP calls him a piece of shit used car salesman. Same tactic. Similar wording. It is a tactic used by the right wing against the President everyday. Say something completely nasty and disgusting until it becomes commonplace to use that particular terminology when referring to the president.

If someone has a disagreement with me and rationally explains it, i may not agree but i can respect them having an opinion. If they were to start by calling me a piece of shit 'something' i would know that it is personal and not merely criticism. I would hope that others around us would not be applauding the person calling me a piece of shit 'something'.
If they did, i would know there was something wrong with them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #328)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:46 PM

393. why would ANYBODY listen to Ted Nugent?

Why do any Obama supporters apparently go out of their way to follow people like that?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #393)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 PM

406. It gets posted here.

 

Thats why we make comparisons.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #328)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:28 AM

611. People (especially politicians) have been compared to used car salesmen since Nugent was thought of.

Probably somewhere about the time of the emergence of the used car market or not long after.

Now, if the discussion is if Nugent is a racist then that is what it is but if it is about a common expression being applied to someone you don't agree with being called out so then I say it is a baseless accusation and pretty much slander. The person may be as racist as The Nuge but by no means is such indicative or even an indicator of such.

I don't find Obama to be particularly honest because he is very, very skilled at using open, neutral, and vague wording in combination with brilliant delivery that promotes people filling in their own blanks and when another possible permutation actually happens it isn't well received.

I feel lead down the primrose path on the WealthCare and Profit Protection Act, myself. I'm glad my efforts have some real positive impact on real people's lives but I would not have put it in if I knew the final overall law despite some critical modifications, even confined within the context of market based reform.

Without the community health centers and the innovation waiver possibility, it would probably cross over into offensive.

Pounding a few pay to play features does not offset the totality of the law and what it by fundamental design must do which is to prop up, enrich, and entrench the insurance cartel. As is, there may be possibilities though far less certain than some advocates like to present. Especially some that used to at least admit concerns in the form of "we'll fix it later" that now as expected have settled down into the full court press.

Being angry and personal isn't racism either, even if you feel it is misguided or even flat fucking nuts.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #611)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:48 AM

615. It was in regard to Dick Nixon: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" because he looked shifty

... not because all politicians were being compared to used car salesmen. It was particular to Nixon, good ol' Tricky Dick, back when he was running against Jack Kennedy.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #615)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:25 AM

668. Are you saying folks were racist for comparing Dick Nixon to a used car salesman?

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:35 PM

327. "serial ranter"

You mean like Nance Greggs?

Or do you mean like Thomas Paine?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #327)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:02 PM

363. I mean going off more than once on a preferred target nt

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:58 PM

572. Yeah, a rw site is jerking off to the full blown used car hateon..

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

There's money in Obama-hate and this "serial ranter" has find his little used car niche.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:55 PM

587. Very much the same as the GOP did on all the same subjects. n/t

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

221. I don't think they are saying that the term is racist.

I think the point is that it is an insulting term, and it is expected that a rw racist would use insulting terms against Obama.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:59 PM

237. WTF is going on here?

He didn't just call the president a "used call saleman", he called him "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN."

Let's acknowledge the huge elephant in the room here and stop defending and being nicey nicey about the rant and acting like all he insulted the president with was "used call saleman".

It was borderline racist (even racist to many) and just the tiniest shade less offensive than Rumsfeld saying a "trained ape would have better foreign policy than Obama".

The for sure racist quote from Rumsfeld is so typical of RW, repug insults of the president, and "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN" is right there with it, which goes directly to what the OP asserts.

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:04 PM

240. this op is in resposne to the most recent used car salesman thread...

 

POS is not used there...sorry, not racist, rumsfeld's words are, o'reilly's words are, but a rant against Obama, no matter how offensive, does not automatically equal racism.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #240)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:34 PM

282. I read the original "piece of shit used car salesman" thread

Was there another Pitt thread? Did he clean up his language from the original thread by not using the "piece of shit" part of his original quote?

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Response to brush (Reply #282)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:12 PM

370. There was a new one today...

 

I didn't see POS on that one...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #370)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:24 PM

380. A new one by Pitt?

So he cleaned it up, huh?

Still no excuse for the first post.

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Response to brush (Reply #282)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:19 AM

619. Google images on Obama is full of conservatives calling him a POS. This ain't rocket science. n/t

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:40 PM

431. +1000 n/t

n/t

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Response to brush (Reply #237)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:50 AM

633. Thanks brush

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:30 PM

410. I agree..

I don't think it's racist--saying he did a shuck and jive, bamboozled, or hustled would fall into that category.

Used car salesman is a fucking disgusting insult, that sounds like it came from the depths of Freerepublic/Redstate etc. They have an unsavory reputation and are often slick liars.

While I don't agree with everything the President has/hasn't done I find I can address it without using teabagger language.

Those that want to throw out but it's ok if it's Bush---Puuuullllleeeezzzeee.....not even close to being the same.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:59 PM

418. 'Used car salesman' is not a racial epithet.

It is a term used in political rhetoric to describe a politician trying to pull a fast one or being facile with the facts.

Pres. Obama deserves, in my opinion, Will Pitt's description on this matter.

Frankly, I'm getting a bit concerned about the President ... has he lost his zeal for the office?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

27. Prosense is legitimizing RW stereotypes about liberals.

If you offer criticism of the President you're labeled a racist whether the criticism is valid or not.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

45. Nonsense. Name calling isn't "criticism." n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

222. But the OP with the unsavory title

 

...is criticism, and legitimately so.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:13 PM

143. Why are you repeating a right wing taking point

claiming that liberals see any disagreement of Obama as racist? The sentence you wrote is requested all over sites like free republic.
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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:17 PM

155. Why are you supporting a false accusation of racism?

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #155)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

170. Can't answer my question, so reply with a loaded question.nt

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Response to alp227 (Reply #170)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:31 PM

183. This thread is about Will Pitts use of the term "used car salesman" and if it is racist.

Do you believe it is racist? That's the point of the thread.

You know this is a call out thread to shut him up and deligitimize him as a racist.

Prosense is reinforcing a negative stereotype of liberals as "crying racism" whenever you disagree with the President.

It isn't a talking point. It's a statement about what "they" say about "us." RW's accuse us of very thing Prosense is doing in this thread.

I don't know why you're afraid to answer a simple question.

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #183)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:40 PM

287. Simply using that term about obama is not racist. BUT such terms appeal to racists.

Think about Reagan talking about "states' rights" in a 1980 campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi. On its face it's not bigoted in any way. But Reagan...disagree with his politics all you want...had a sharp political strategy. Keep in mind that Philadelphia, MS was the site of the murder of civil rights workers nearly 15 years before and the term "states' rights" became a loaded term in Southern politics for nearly a century as a justification for Jim Crow laws.

In this era with Obama in office and the anonymity of the Internet, right wing bigots feel less ashamed to be bigots. Sure, most of the big name right wing bloggers do stay away from the overtly bigoted language, but if you read the comments sections of sites like Newsbusters, The Blaze, etc. you'll see bigoted language so nasty you'd think you're in another galaxy. This is the Lee Atwater strategy of appealing to racists without appearing overtly racist. By turning otherwise innocent terms like "forced busing" into loaded language.

I have endless respect for Will Pitt and his writings. He's gotta watch his language though. I go to DU to avoid being swarmed by Freeper rhetoric and right wing snarl words. It should OK to disagree with Obama. It shouldn't be OK to talk like a Freeper.
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Response to alp227 (Reply #287)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:43 AM

603. The tone is IDENTICAL to RW sites. That's why they're LOVING that OP. They know it. n/t

Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:54 PM

226. Who played the race card here in this thread?

 

???

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #226)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

295. The OP implied calling Obama a "used car salesman" is racist.

I would agree merely slightly but not completely. Because of the Southern Strategy I think there's a lot of buzzwords out there used by people who really wish they could call Obama the N word.
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Response to alp227 (Reply #295)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:32 PM

424. can you cite any reference to the term as being racist?

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Response to alp227 (Reply #143)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41 AM

600. Yes, continuously since 2008. Certain levels of abuse are racist. n/t

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:33 PM

190. Another winger meme

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Response to NOVA_Dem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:33 PM

191. Exactly...

 

..and to think Pro$ense often accuses all who disagree with her of being agents of the RW...

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

158. +1. Calling the president a used car salesman is overboard

And isn't for here. However, I don't see where that can be classified as racist.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

4. Where, in the post you're referring to, the is the RW or Racist part?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

10. No willful ignorance, please

"Where, in the post you're referring to, the is the RW or Racist part?"

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is what RW racists do.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

14. I repeat, where in the post, is the racist or RW parts?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:19 AM

29. I repeat: The label and constant use of it is what RW racists do. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

36. Are you then accusing him of being a RW Racist?

 

If you are, present the evidence.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:43 AM

73. The evidence has already been presented...

i.e. - constantly referring to the president as a "used care salesman" is typical behavior for a right wing racist.

I'd say there's a strong possibility we're dealing with a RW racist -- based on that.

Case closed.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:47 AM

82. Did referring to Richard Nixon as a "used car salesman" make one a RW racist?

 

Does calling a used car salesman a used car salesman make one a RW racist?

Does defending the mass slaughter in Iraq make someone a Texan?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:00 PM

112. As I recall, the line about Nixon was "Would you buy a used car from this man?"

The idea being that he was too untrustworthy to buy a car from, let alone trust with executive power and the launch codes.

It was less an insult to used car salesmen than a statement about the honesty of "Tricky Dick."

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:02 PM

115. But, was it racist? Was "tricky dick" racist?

 

I'm still looking for the "racist" part of WP's post. Or, for that matter the "RW" part.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:05 PM

121. Was it racist? I don't think so. Nt.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:09 PM

133. clarification, I think, in order to avoid further unnecessary squabbling

 

there are such people we all might agree are RW racists.
Tons of examples of such folks all over the internet,
media, in churches, even congress.

Such folks tend to employ a particular tactic regarding
the President.

ProSense wasn't saying Pitt is a racist; but that he is
employing the same tactic used by such folks.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

148. Will was talking about Obama's lame defense of the Iraq war.

 

And, exposing it for it was in forceful, albeit accurate, language. Whereas, he RW (whether racist or not) and many Democrats supported the war. See Hillary and Kerry for some references.

Obama's statement was an obvious attempt to whitewash an act of aggression as a "mistake" with worthy consequences. I think that falls under the "used car salesman" rubric quite well.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #148)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

169. ok we disagree. I view Obama, and his statements, differently.

 

As you know there are people who label the President.
Many labels he has gotten from people who are not
progressive; "piece of shit used car salesman" sounds
like Ted Nugent.

Will is doubling down for some reason. It is a similar
tactic used against Obama by RW detractors and malicious
intruders of every ilk.

I'm sure many of them, who hate the President and
seek to undermine him at every turn, are thoroughly enjoying
Will's rants.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #148)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:14 PM

261. Your chonology is off

The original Pitt op came before any "lame Obama defense of the Iraq war. It was about the ACA.

He called the president not just "a used car salesman" but "A PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN"?

Everybody seems to be conveniently forgetting the "PIECE OF SHIT" from the original quote. So now he's cleaned it up?

There is no place for that kind of name-calling of a dem president in the first place (and name-calling is NOT criticism) on this allegedly progressive site.

It should have been hidden immediately. This is not freeperville. Why it was not is, IMO, a poor reflection on DU. It was an extremely poor decision by the jurors to leave it up.

And I'm betting that we'll see that quote used in the 2014 mid-terms by repug candidates running against the ACA in ads quoting Democratic Underground as being anti-ACA and anti-Obama.

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Response to brush (Reply #261)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

296. I googled Obama used car salesman to see how many

 

actual quotes would pop up & this was the first link. I don't know if it was the intended purpose at the time but since he has doubled down with the statement now apparently he has found the phrase quite catchy. It is not amusing & everyone here should be disgusted & embarrassed.


http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:52 PM

299. "he is employing the same tactic used by such folks"

This is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. ProSense correctly pegged this whole 'what racism are you calling him racist?!?!?!' nonsense as the willful ignorance it so clearly is.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:14 PM

146. So it's actually left wing and not racist? nt

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:55 PM

229. Ding! Vanity thread alert

 

Much like the one referred to in the OP.

I had no idea that "used car salesman" is now considered racist. I repeatedly called the previous resident of the WH a drunken, cocaine-addled sociopath. I guess that was racist too.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:24 PM

445. The proposition in the OP had nothing whatsoever to do with Richard Nixon,

or actual used car salesmen, or Iraq, or Texans.

The proposition was this: "Constantly referring to President Obama as a 'used car salesman' is expected of a RW racist." Notice that it has nothing at all to say about any of those other things.

Furthermore, and this is really the important point, the next line in the OP makes the point of the message unquestionably clear: "It should not be acceptable on a site promoting Democrats."

Get it? The OP doesn't say anywhere that no one should ever disagree with the president. What it does say is that our disagreement shouldn't use the language of the right. I agree completely with that sentiment. I would go even further and say that our disagreement should be expressed as respectful disagreement.

Serious people understand that coalitions and alliances are absolutely necessary for any real progress. That doesn't mean abandoning principles but it does mean that disagreements must be handled respectfully. Tantrums and meltdowns toward prospective allies are an impediment to progress.

There is nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. Some people seem to believe otherwise -- that unless disagreement is expressed in hysterical terms, it's not genuine or not meaningful.

Emotion is good. Emotion is necessary for the message of the progressive left to ever win converts.

But vicious negative attacks against the leaders of the Democratic Party are not helpful. Alliance with the Democratic Party, for all of its flaws and contradictions, is the ONLY viable path forward for making progress through participation in the political process. That's political reality. Support third parties and independents when it makes sense, but third parties and independents are simply not a factor in national politics -- not in any practical sense.

Burning bridges and carrying grudges might make some people feel good or feel in control, but it's only an illusion. Real power and real control will only come through alliances and coalitions.



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Response to cheapdate (Reply #445)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:43 PM

514. Hate to tell you this, but independents outnumber both of the establishment parties.

 

Holding our public servants accountable is the responsibility of the citizens in a democracy.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #514)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:44 PM

541. I agree completely

that holding public servants accountable is the responsibility of the citizens in a democracy. But I also believe that the Democratic Party is an absolutely vital partner for any positive change within the established political process and that disagreements between Democrats or between Democrats and their prospective partners and allies must be civil and respectful.

There may be many people who claim to be independents. I'm sure that number is inflated by the growing number of people who are embarrassed to proclaim themselves Republicans, and probably many who feel the same way about the Democrats. But the reality is that virtually all real political power is still held by the two major parties and that's not going to change very quickly. As I said in my previous post, independents are not presently a significant factor in a practical sense. Not yet.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:06 PM

123. if it quacks like a Ted Nugent....

 

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:24 PM

269. You show an incredibly poor understanding of logic.

Your evidence is just a claim and not self-supporting.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #269)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:01 PM

419. ...and you show a poor understanding how truth and language

function when deciding whether we have a positive or negative opinion about a person.

For example, my belief that someone is an asshole isn't usually dependent on a logical syllogism. Nor is it usually contingent upon the kinds of rules of evidence that are found in a courtroom.

I'll put my understanding of logic against yours any day.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:24 PM

171. along the lines of the labeling and constant use of the term "hater"

exactly what I would expect of a RW racist

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

20. I'd like to know as well.

Surely you wouldn't just toss an accusation like that out without hard evidence right?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:59 AM

110. Nope. That is exactly what is going on just look at the replies.

 

He is, because I say he is. End of discussion.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:08 PM

128. Ted Nugent is a known shitball racist and he uses piece of shit to describe the President as well

 

what more freaking 'evidence' do you need?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

38. Will-ful ignorance?

Summat close to the line, no?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:23 AM

39. Yes, and the point is made. n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 PM

223. willfully ignoring the diversity of used car

salepersons....

last I checked, those in car sales come in all shapes, colors, and sizes...but that doesn't fit the ideological kneejerk reaction to any criticism of the President.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:45 PM

478. Calling our Democratic President that, is not only right wing, it doesn't belong on DEMOCRATIC

Underground. In fact, I'd be all for removing anyone that attacks our DEMOCRATIC President, here on DEMOCRATIC Underground. If someone wants to use that terminology, they can use it on Conservative whatever, or on some lunatic website.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #478)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:39 PM

508. Authoritarian much?

 

Obama may be a Democrat but he's still a public servant and accountable to those he serves and pays his wages.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #508)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

509. You clearly need to read the Mission Statement of DU nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:06 AM

5. Maybe he'll reverse himself in 24 business hours.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:07 AM

7. ...

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

15. oh my ... that is gonna leave a mark. nt

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Response to littlewolf (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:21 AM

33. You would think so, wouldn't you?

 

But not everyone is capable of learning and evolving from his/her mistakes.
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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:57 PM

304. THIS

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:29 PM

179. LOL. Used to have a great deal of respect for that one.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #179)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:34 PM

192. Even after the last tantrum, I had respect for Pitt. Since it involved his wife, I cut some slack>>>

 

this seems to be nothing but an attention whore desperate for some relevance.

If I knew Pitt in real life, i'd recommend he stay away from politics entirely and blog about fatherhood.

Or some other topic entirely and get some perspective back.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #192)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:04 PM

244. No more tantrums for me. He's now on my "Ignore" list. It's very refreshing.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #192)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:26 PM

273. I think the board's other well known ranter was getting more attention. Vying for position is hard,

especially if you're attention whore. It's a tag team now.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

8. It's a non-partisan reference to a salesman of bad products...

Something Dems shouldn't be, but too often are these days.

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:33 PM

535. Vote Democrat, and get New Improved SUBPOENA POWER!

 

With New Improved SUBPOENA POWER, wash away Republican war crimes and make the White House sparkly clean!*

* Offer expires 11/8/2006. Terms and conditions subject to change.

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

582. That's basically it.

however, the pretzel twisting going on about that particular choice of words....

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:09 AM

9. so did you alert?

And should call-out threads be acceptable? And insinuating that long-time DUers are RW racists?

Is the policy being sold a lemon, or not?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:17 AM

25. It's okay, though, to call

long-time DUers cheerleaders because they MOSTLY line up behind the president? Doesn't this insinuate that we are merely sheep, unable to make objective decisions and aren't we entitled to our own opinions? WTF is going on around here? The nastiness has gotten almost unbearable.

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:46 AM

80. no, name calling is generally unproductive

although RW racist seems to me a lot harsher than cheerleader when it comes to names.

And when it comes to "our own opinions" each side sees the other side as "swallowing propaganda".

And certainly there is some of that. For example, when I was trying to prevent the Bush tax cuts from becoming permanent, I certainly WAS trying to get people to agree with me, to fight on MY side.

And unfortunately, Obama was fighting on a different side.

And other people certainly ARE trying to convince people to support Obama. And some people ARE trying to convince people to be angry at Obama. Either way, I guess, people are supposed to be outraged about the other side - the other gang, the other tribe http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3409710

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:10 AM

11. I don't think it's necessarily racist.

 

But it is petty, and it's getting old.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:11 AM

12. although I've never called him that and wouldn't- codswallop to your absurd claim

 

if anything the stereotypical image of a used car salesman is a smarmy white guy with a lot of hair product.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

17. Nothing "absurd" about the claim, which is why you're distancing yourself from the label.

"if anything the stereotypical image of a used car salesman is a smarmy white guy with a lot of hair product."

Are you serious? You think that's a justification?

As I said, the label and constant use of it is what is expected of a RW racist.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

35. all those RW racists who made the used car salesman analogy against Nixon?

 

You are so full of shit.

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

43. What utter silliness. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:31 AM

53. calling someone a racist is not silly

 

If shame could fall out of the sky like a piano you would be in some big trouble

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

147. And the jury results are in...


On Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:09 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

all those RW racists who made the used car salesman analogy against Nixon?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4735022

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

'so full of shit', is over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:13 AM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 'full of shit' is pretty mild for this place.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yep, dial it back a notch reddread.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ProSense gets away with calling memebers RW racists, but can't take being told she's full of shit? Bummer.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I tend to agree. It's over the top. We can be pissed off at each other and disagree with each other and confront each other but being civil to each other has to be in the mix. This just didn't feel all that civil.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #147)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:20 PM

161. It is not possible to have stricter rules about supporting Democrats

 

for the upcoming midterms if the jury system remains as it is.

This is getting totally out of hand, and I know Skinner wants the Pontius Pilot role but I hope he is reassessing what a free for all like what this post allowed, (and the OP, omg the OP is kick your ass out of here material) can mean.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #161)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:49 PM

342. I assume you mean "Pilate"? nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #342)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:57 PM

351. No, I mean Pilot. Sky Pilot. Can you beer me, Major Tom? n/t

 

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Response to reddread (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:59 PM

308. The line about Nixon was

"Would you buy a used car from this man?" The inference being that he wasn't trustworthy. Not an accusation that Nixon was some sort of used car salesman.

Then too, it's awfully difficult for me to see Richard Nixon as a target of racism. Barack Obama, on the other hand....

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:37 AM

62. no it's not. and I'll thank you to try not to attribute motives to me when YOU have no

 

clue.

what you're doing is utterly distasteful. tacky to the max.

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Response to cali (Reply #62)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

149. what I see here is a bunch of people misunderstanding each other.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:32 AM

55. Don't forget the cheapo sports jacket

Preferably in plaid.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:09 PM

134. It's racist

 

it a "polite" substitute for "uppity" and "shiftless".



It can legitimately be interpreted this way because, context counts. It is not some isolated slur. It must be evaluated along with the history of name calling for Obama.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:12 PM

258. and who else calls the Pres these sorts of names: Ted Nugent.

 

That nails it if you ask me.

If the OP is using Ted Nugent's words and expects NOT to be called racist, well - I guess he thinks he's a bigger 'star' that he really is if he expects that to slide. Maybe that is his whole problem, he is not the star he thinks he is, he is realizing it, and is acting out.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:33 PM

426. how the fuck can it be interpreted as such?

how?!! is snake oil salesman racist now too?

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

157. heh

This is the DU member formerly known as alp227.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:12 AM

13. I prefer the term

attention whoring instead of racist but "used car salesman" is an over the top term used just to piss everyone off.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:13 AM

16. trying to shut up critics with FALSE claims of racism is contemptible

 

despicable.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:16 AM

24. Constantly referring to the President as a "used car salesman" is not about "critics"

It's the kind of name calling that one expects from RW racists.

That is what is "contemptible."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:36 AM

61. I haven't ever referred to him by that phrase

but the vast majority of used car salesmen I've ever seen over the decades, whether in person or on tv have been white, so I'm not sure where you're getting 'racism' out of that, as opposed to just insulting.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:19 AM

30. bottoming out

 

but what can you expect? They have their backs against the Iraq policies of a stolen administration,
and they have that administration's back!
They need some scapegoats pronto, and Nader is not gonna work here.

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Response to reddread (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:39 AM

67. It's contemptible. It doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty to cover

 

the unattractive truth of the op's agenda: Shut up people who criticize the president.

there is nothing even the tiniest bit racist about referring to the President as a "used car salesman".

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:44 AM

77. It would require "intellectual honesty" to acknowledge the point, and not attempt to distort it. n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:50 AM

88. completely contemptible. Is there really any standards of decency here?

 

This pretty much shatters any illusions about that.
On the other hand, Im afraid they havent hit rock bottom yet.

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Response to reddread (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:11 PM

139. ''Is there really any standards of decency here?''

 

certainly not in the OP... please proceed reddread.

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Response to reddread (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:29 PM

463. There used to be....

But that was before your time, apparently.

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Response to cali (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:08 PM

130. It's also race-baiting. And carefully tailored to juuuuuust


avoid directly calling out a DUer and calling the person a "RW racist." It implies that someone must be a "RW racist," which is laughably unsupportable, but really is just nasty pot-stirring.

And likely conceived as "flypaper" in hopes of getting someone angry enough to jump over the line.

Childish in the extreme. And bad strategy.

Meeting name-calling with far more offensive, not to mention wildly off-base name calling is a loser.

This is the precise behavior that undermines any argument that Obama partisans are more reasonable or more civilized than those who criticize.

I'll take a thousand people taking a questionably harsh tone in criticizing over one full-time, dedicated pot-stirrer playing games with charges of racism any day.

Who wouldn't?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:50 PM

217. quite right.

 

it's about as ugly as you can get to insinuate that someone is a racist. I'm not a big Will Pitt fan, but sneakily calling him a racist is about as low as one can stoop.

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Response to cali (Reply #217)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:08 PM

250. It's very "RW" to rely on cutesy tailoring as well.

Calling someone you disagree with a RW racist and then (and I cannot believe I am even typing this) PRETENDING that saying 'expected of a RW racist' keeps it somehow inbounds is a level of childishness that beggars belief.

It's the verbal equivalent of the kid in the backseat, having been told not to touch his brother, pointing a finger right in front of his face saying "I'm not touching you!"

Really? You guys think this is a winning approach?

THIS is the way real rightwing idiots think. "Oooh, but we didn't say WE wanted to hurt the President, we said 'SOMEONE SHOULD' do that. Har har har."

With the little smirk and the stupid guffaw to go with, of course.

Somehow a certain level of intellect has entirely lost track of the fact that others can actually SEE you acting in bad faith, and the fact that you get your friends to scream along with you doesn't create an argument that will convince anyone.

No one thinks racism or rightwingers has a single thing to do with whatever the post is that has a few unfortunate people in such an uproar. No one. Not the people saying it. Not the people defending it. Every single person reading any of this knows the OP is nothing but a cutesy, small-minded ploy of the weakest possible kind.

It's a level of discourse that is beneath a small child. Beneath anyone, but the most contemptible and thoughtless of internet poo-flingers.

Very sad to see on a liberal discussion board.

We are supposed to be smarter than this.



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Response to DirkGently (Reply #250)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:41 PM

584. The same tactics the right used to try to sell the war.

"We didn't SAY Iraqis attacked us on 9/11"

And here it is, on DU, being used against DUers.

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Response to cali (Reply #217)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

277. This to me show the jurors made a huge mistake . . .

in leaving that post by Pitt up.

We wouldn't have all these off-shoot threads with raging arguments if they had just hidden that disgusting post.

And why isn't everyone using the whole quote — "piece of shit used car salesman"?

Is that being conveniently forgotten?

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Response to brush (Reply #277)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:41 PM

289. I can't agree that will's op should have been hidden

 

I wish he hadn't posted it, but that's another story.

I also wish the President hadn't addressed the issue the way he did.

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Response to cali (Reply #289)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:11 PM

313. The first time

Guess there's always a first.

Cali, this is the first time, as I recall, that I have to agree to disagree with you.

DU, IMO is not freeperville. I still think the jurors made a mistake by leaving that post up.

BTW, they're laughing at us because of Pitt's post on gopthedailydose.com.

Giftedgirl77 alerted me, see the link:

http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/03/21/leftwing-editor-turns-angrily-obamacare-calls-obama-piece-sht-used-car-salesman/

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Response to brush (Reply #277)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:45 PM

292. That's called "The Heckler's veto."

You don't censor things on the basis that someone will have an insanely inappropriate reaction to it.

You disagree; you think something's over the top, or in bad taste, you address it. You don't take it to an entirely new level of stupid by race-baiting and playing cutesy games as to whether you're calling someone out or not.

If anything, people who react like this should be provoked more often. They need understand they can't poo-fling people into silence.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #130)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:14 PM

494. "Flypaper" OP's

 

It's purge time, baby!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

18. It's a good thing GD is now the new META.

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:14 AM

19. It reveals a simplistic perspective of things, that's for sure.

But hey, it's good for attention. And when one isn't busy gazing into the reflecting pool with Narcissus, getting lots of fawning attention is the next best thing I suppose.

Julie

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:15 AM

21. Absolutely, it just shows how immature and pathetic the attention seeker is.

 

Reading comprehension in regards to Obama now agreeing with the Iraq War: Fail
Oh, I really meant the CAR was a piece of shit! : Fail
Oh, I wouldn't have made a death threat if I knew it was a *girlllllll, but sure if it was a guy, why not?! : Fail
Takes 3 months to help find ACA solutions and can't but blames Obama: Fail
Karl Rove Indicted!: Fail
Attempted invention of a new way to record passing time as 24 Business Hours: Fail

The Fail is strong in this One.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:33 AM

57. +1

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:27 PM

174. Oh come on! The attempts to diagram that sentence would have made Sister Polycarp,

 

my fourth grade teacher, laugh in disgust and amusement.....

Oh...no one was calling the President a "piece of shit"...no, no...merely that he is a used car salesman who sells pieces of shit.

Seriously...if I'd called the President a piece of shit, I'd have the courage to own it. I wouldn't try to defend myself by backing down and claiming that everyone who reads English simply misunderstood the placement of modifiers.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #174)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM

323. 'Polycarp'?

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #323)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:30 PM

324. Know your martyrs......

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #174)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:21 AM

610. I used to hate that sentence diagramming stuff--I don't know if they make the kids do that any more!

If no one was calling POTUS a piece of shit, I guess when someone talks about a "millionaire used car salesman" they mean all the cars are "millionaires!" Who knew?



Yeah...that's the ticket!!!

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:28 PM

177. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:35 PM

193. Could someone clue us in on the "24 Business Hour" ... it's been in some other threads

... +100000 on your post

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #193)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:45 PM

211. When truthout ran the Karl Rove is Indicted! story in May of 2006

 

they gave a time when it was to actually Happen.

Well, obviously it didn't happen at that particular time (or ever) so when questions were starting to be asked about that, Jason Leopold and Pitt explained that it was '24 business hours' and not real time, just to bide their time until the story became real to their fanciful little heads.

yeh. it was that stupid.

So a lot of people started to disbelieve the whole made up stories (we have sources, honest!) and calling the OP out after which he had a fit with calling everyone on DU a fucking asshole, including Skinner if my memory serves, that gave him a hard time about the comical '24 business hours' and questioning his greatness. I think that was One of the times he was given a 'time out' from DU. There were others, that is why he is now Will Pitt instead of William Rivers Pitt and some other variation.



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Response to Whisp (Reply #211)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:57 PM

232. thx! lets me know WP has always shown this pattern of behavior

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #232)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:08 PM

248. always. Which make me think he and Greenwald make a good team.

 

similar styles.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #248)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:11 PM

255. Makes one go hmmmmmmm....

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #193)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:56 PM

231. That poster's problem was solved in 24 hours

thanks to the help of DUers who ignored his bullshit and offered ways to fix the problem.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #231)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:57 PM

235. ah... the medicine thing that got 150+ recs

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #231)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:00 PM

360. no, karl rove was supposed to be indicted within 24 hours... when that didn't happen, it changed to

24 "business hours"...

..and then it just.. never happened...

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:53 PM

345. That's my take as well.

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #345)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:10 PM

441. ...

nudge

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Response to Whisp (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:48 AM

604. You win the thread! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:16 AM

23. Couldn't agree more.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:18 AM

28. I had an uncle that was a used car salesman and he had integrity...

 

something more should aspire to seeking.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

31. Yes, it's a personally demeaning slur that implies the writer

disagrees with everything the President does. In which case, the writer really doesn't belong here.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

32. I think he is worried about his job...With election season coming up

 

He is just trying to rally the "far left" as much as possible to get MONEY MONEY MONEY

We all know it's going to be Dem vs. Repuke and he is running out of time to use the far left vs. left meme. The far left will get completely drowned out when we have the next Sarah Palin to make fun of and Romney to investigate.

So I think he is trying to get the last few months of far left rararrrrarwwar out I mean, what's he going to write about in a year. They all suck so stay home? Also notice he drops his shit bombs then never replies, stays away from DU for days. Then cycle repeats.



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Response to snooper2 (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:16 PM

151. There is a connection between truthout and Glenn Greenwald.

 

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/organizations

Greenwald most likely gave orders to spread feces - I mean if Truthout is on the donation page of Freedom of the Press, of which Greenwald and Poitras are directors, among others, how likely it is that someone who works for TO gave the President a fair shake?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:23 PM

167. interesting, the more we know

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:37 PM

284. I figured there was an agenda behind the recent anti-Obama rants and it was ...

related to Truthout, your post makes eminent sense re the Greenwald ties whose constant anti-Obama rants are beyond nauseating.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:29 PM

276. can we rename it Toothout? That was Painful to watch.

 

Talk about used car salesmen! omg.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #276)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:31 AM

623. How about

hateout.com? He wouldn't know the "truth" if it gobsmacked him.

Heartening to see all these Peeps Rec PS's thread.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:21 AM

34. Is "used car salesman" a racist remark? (nt)

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:39 PM

430. anything directed towards Obama that isn't painted in a positive light is now racist..

terms that have never before been used in a racial connotation are now to be considered racist. fucking unbelievable and an affront to people that have suffered because of REAL racism.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

484. Oh, no no, it's cool, He's taking it back

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:22 AM

37. Bullshit.

You're free to disagree, but don't label someone something they are not.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:25 AM

42. No, it's not "bullshit"

"You're free to disagree, but don't label someone something they are not."

More attempting to justify despicable name calling.

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 PM

405. Calling someone a used car salesman has nothing to do with racism.

It does not.

It might call one's honesty into question but it is not a racial epithet.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:38 PM

468. Amazing how easy it is for you to call someone a racist. n-t

 

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Response to Octafish (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:36 PM

195. unless they do the same things as the label right? I mean, walk like a duck talk like a duck?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:24 AM

40. The OP survived a jury.

Good!

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Response to William769 (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:38 PM

469. Yours did not......good! n-t

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #469)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:46 PM

479. I don't mind taking one for the team for such a worthy cause.

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Response to William769 (Reply #479)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

483. No one gave a shit about your post. It was sinking like a rock. lol. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:53 PM

487. It bothered someone enough to alert on it.



P.S. From the time it was posted till it was hidden, it never left the front page and was recommeded enough to make the trending on the front page!

What have you got? Thats what I thought.

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Response to William769 (Reply #487)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:57 PM

523. Oh that one got a nerve touched! thanks for taking

one for the team, William.. I just Rec it!

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Response to Cha (Reply #523)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:46 PM

543. Thanks. Looks like someone is away licking his wounds.

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Response to William769 (Reply #543)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:00 PM

553. Love Wins, William..



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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:55 PM

521. Oh yeah.. it's still getting Recs and it's locked.

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:17 PM

577. I did!

And it's still getting rec's!

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Response to Logical (Reply #483)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 PM

580. Yuck.

Do you have another gear?

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Response to William769 (Reply #479)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 03:42 AM

632. You just pointed out exactly what the problem on DU is. You think you're on a different "team" than

other DUers.

What are the teams?

I thought we were all here to stand up for Democratic Party principles, you know, like defending democracy, the constitution, equal rights.

But now I'm confused. So what team did you "take one" for?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:24 AM

41. Was it racist when we called Nixon a used car salesman?

 

Not all criticisms are racist.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:40 AM

68. I immediately thought of the question always asked about Tricky Dick ...

"Would you buy a used car from this man?" Inasmuch as Nixon was a crook, it was an appropriate question.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #68)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:58 AM

109. Yes, well, we are really old

 

old and in the way.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:27 AM

44. is anyone going to explain how the term "used car salesman" is racist?

no? I didn't think so.

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Response to G_j (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:30 AM

52. Well,

"is anyone going to explain how the term "used car salesman" is racist?"

...first one has to understand the point, and not ignore it.

As I said, it's despicable name calling.

The first time, the excuse was "lashing out" in the "heat of the moment."

The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:36 AM

59. impressive dance steps

using the term racist, without technically breaking the rules. tricky!!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:45 AM

78. Just because you repeat something over and over again doesn't make it true.

"The label and constant use of it is expected of RW racists. "

You're displaying faulty logic here. Just because you personally have decided that you 'expect' it, doesn't actually make it so.

Reality is probably a Venn diagram, with a set of people who are RW racists, a set of people who repeatedly use that term, and some tiny fraction of overlap.

Most racists are no doubt calling the President far more insulting things. And even most people who are insulting towards the President probably aren't racists.

So instead of actually giving even the faintest justification for your belief that 'RW racists' would use the phrase 'used car salesman', you simply sidestep and repeat the same claim over and over, without even bothering to explain why you think the phrase is something to which a "RW racist" would gravitate.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:50 AM

89. "Most racists are no doubt calling the President far more insulting things."

It's a RW-style attack to pick a derogatory label and constantly repeat it.

It's nothing more than despicable name calling. It cannot be justified.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #89)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:56 AM

100. That's a better reply than you gave other folks, at least.

I think 'constantly repeating' any particular name is lazy, myself, unless the behaviour that results in the insult is also constantly repeated.

Perhaps those who are using it feel they are constantly and repeatedly being 'hard-sold' on policies and ideas that don't live up to the promises made.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:16 PM

154. So, you can't explain how it's racist



I was genuinely curious since I've never heard a racist claim like that

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #154)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

159. I can't "explain" the point to anyone who can't seem to get it. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #159)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:23 PM

166. Is 'used car salesman' associated with skin color?

Yes or No

I've never heard of something like that

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:54 PM

227. Isn't this only the second time the term has been used?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #227)

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 01:13 AM

608. No.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4686372

And, for the record.. he wouldn't know the "truth" if it gobsmacked him.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:36 PM

283. We expect racists

 

...to call people Used Car Salesmen?

Hmmm.....ok lol

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Response to G_j (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:04 PM

364. No one claimed that the term is racist.

I'm not arguing one side or the other or accusing anyone of being racist - just trying to explain some of the confusion in the argument.

Calling someone "stupid" isn't racist. The term "stupid" is not racist. However, calling someone stupid because of their race is racist.

The argument in the OP was that using a derogatory term when referring to Obama is something that would be expected of a RW racist. And I would agree with that. I would expect that a racist would use derogatory terms (not necessarily always racist terms) to refer to the president.

However I would not agree that anyone who used a derogatory term for Obama was a racist. And the OP never made that claim either. What they did, in my opinion, was carefully word their post to make it appear that was what they were implying while preserving a logical escape route for themselves. I believe it was posted as a trap designed to get readers to make a simple logical error and bait them into an argument over it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:28 AM

46. K & R, this should not be on DU, joining in with RW noise should be left to FOX.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:29 AM

47. What if he gets a job at Car Max?

I'm not getting the racist! part. Care to explain?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:29 AM

48. Op # of posts 113,961

 

On Du 9 years

12,662 posts a year

average 1055 posts a month

running at 35 posts a day, say an average 30 day month....

quite hefty for a single person

Kudos.....

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:22 PM

165. And Prosense does lots of research in his post, quiet accomolished.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #165)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:45 PM

337. Yep, I'll bet almost like it's a team at work

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #337)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:54 PM

348. Why are being critical?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #348)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:58 PM

358. Go do some research of the op anti-snowden posts...

 

Runs like a disinformation campaign

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #358)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:06 PM

366. I have researched, find the pro-Snowden misinformed on several areas

I have read their post and other articles written by the pro-Snowden. I have researched Sniwden and those who surround him, there are problems. post by Prosense may not be what you want to hear but it doesn't change their facts. Is his post why you are critical?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #366)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:40 PM

387. I don't think the OP is what it presents itself to be.

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #387)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:00 PM

437. and what is that, anyway? some sort of portal?

 

an orifice, maybe?

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