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Tampa, Florida -- A woman, who fell victim to a case of road rage on a rainy day, witnessed what she called "instant karma" when the tailgater lost control of his truck and crashed into a pole on the side of a Tampa highway -- and she caught it all on video.
The woman, who has asked to remain anonymous, posted the video on YouTube Wednesday under the title, "Redneck Road Rage/Instant Karma," explaining how the driver of the truck tailgated her for about three minutes as she drove on US Hwy 41 in Tampa. After about a minute, she says she pulled out her cell phone and recorded his actions which included staring her down and giving her the middle finger as he passed her multiple times.
It was when he appeared to try to cut her off that he lost control on the slick, wet roads and traveled across the northbound lanes and onto the grass shoulder where he took out a light pole that collapsed into the roadway near Gibsonton Drive.
After the accident, the woman pulled over to wait for Florida Highway Patrol troopers. While waiting for them to arrive, the driver of the truck took off, but thanks to her video, they were able to track him down.
Troopers arrested 33-year-old Jeffrey White at his Tampa home Wednesday for leaving the scene of a traffic crash, careless driving and failing to wear his seatbelt.
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)This is what he got, which I consider was fair warning. He could have had a head-on, which if only killed himself, would have left us with one less horse's ass. However, killing someone else… well… there you go, fuck-wad.
Hope this is admissible in a court of law to the full extent.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)The idiot filming in the left hand lane should have moved right and let faster moving traffic use the left hand lane. It is the law in most states. Both of these idiots were responsible.
1monster
(11,045 posts)Required to pull over if it is safe to do so. The tailgating idiot, himself, made moving over dangerous and we couldn't see traffic conditions to determine how safe it was.
That STUPID law should be repealed. If the person is driving at the top legal speed, s/he should not be required to accommodate a lawbreaker in his/her lawbreaking.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)The whole "left lane is the passing lane" thing is for limited access highways like the interstates. If you're on a road where it's possible to make left turns, the left turn lane isn't just for passing.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)This would include the road they were traveling on.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)From the Florida Driver's Handbook: http://www.123driving.com/flhandbook/flhb-passing.shtml
"Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the roadway to pass on the right is against the law."
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)However that does not change the fact that the left lane is a passing lane on all two (or more) lane roadways. Not just limited access highways like the interstates. Yes the left lane can be used for turns and whatnot, however it is not a travel lane, it is still a passing lane.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)I got confused and mixed up my posts. I thought you had said that it was illegal to pass on the right in all cases. My error.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)The only thing I've found is here: http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
That site has a link to the laws in Florida that deal with driving left of the center line, and a link to a bill that was vetoed that would have reserved the left lane for passing on "certain highways".
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.
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901 (3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes
902 allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not
903 continue to operate a motor vehicle at any speed which is more
904 than 10 miles per hour slower than the posted speed limit in the
905 furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably
906 should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from
907 the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed.
She could have not been sited as the posted limit was 50 and she was traveling at almost 60.
This legislation was signed by the Gov on 6/12/13 and was effective on 7/1/13.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)That sounds like a good law to me, regardless of whether or not it applies to this case or not.
It allows for people to drive in the left lane if they are preparing to make a left turn, and it allows for people to drive in the left lane if they are passing someone who's going slow in the right lane.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I like it as well.
Of course if we all drove with a little more courtesy we would not need these laws.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)I'm not suggesting this would fly here right now, but I found the idea interesting.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I agree that it would not fly here.
I really enjoyed driving in Ireland and the UK. There are far fewer signs, and a lot had to be left up to the driver. One thing that was conspicuously missing were those "caution curve ahead" or "you should slow down to X speed around this corner" signs.
JohnRogan
(51 posts)where is a 100 year old oak when its needed?
1monster
(11,045 posts)In Florida,traffic is so heavy that all lanes are used at most times. Too be safe, in extremely heavy traffic, when I know that I will be making a left turn, I will go to the left lane two or miles ahead of the left turn.
There are some seriously dangerous drivers in this part of the country with sightseeing or lost tourists, elderly drivers, inexperienced and/or distracted drivers, road ragers, and more cars on the roads than they were built for.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Florida's left lane rules apply for all roads with two or more lanes in the same direction.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)When I head to/from the airport every weekend, all 3 lanes of the 528 and all 4 lanes of the FL Turnpike will have cars interspersed amongst every lane.
If only people here in the U.S. had the road manners of our friends across the pond... Driving in the U.K. or Belgium or Germany or... is a dream compared to here!
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)The posted limit was 50. She was doing 60. The law requires you to be going 10 under in the left lane.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)If five or more cars are lined up behind you because of your speed you have to pull over or off the road and let them pass. And if you are driving slower than the vehicles to your right you have to change lanes and let cars behind you pass.
whopis01
(3,919 posts)If you are doing the speed limit or above, does that still apply?
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Moving violation to impeade the flow of traffic and a moving violation to speed. In some jurisdictions both will receive a ticket. One for tailgating and the other for impeading traffic.
whopis01
(3,919 posts)that if someone is traveling at the speed limit (the highest speed someone can legally travel at) that they could possibly be given a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Police acknowledge, if only privately, that people drive over the speedlimit. And forcing traffic down to that level causes traffic jams and pile-ups. (And a fair amount of road rage)
My own observation is people travel at the enforcement limit. That speed just short of where the police will enforce the limit. Perhaps what we really need is some honesty in signage. Cause traveling 65 in the left lane when all the locals know the police won't do anything short of 85 is a problem. (My daily commute) The other highway I travel daily has a lower speed because the police on it enforce at 70.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)whopis01
(3,919 posts)The law states that if you are traveling at less then the flow of traffic, or less than the posted speed limit (whichever is lower), then you should move over to the right. However, if you are traveling at the speed limit there is no law require you to move over to accommodate others who are speeding.
barbtries
(31,308 posts)that is regardless of speed. it's a safety rule.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)It doesn't matter if you are going top legal speed you are not supposed to let cars behind you stack up.
I find it very rude for people to drive in the left lane with their speed control on the "legal speed."
Roy Rolling
(7,632 posts)I hate aggressive tailgaters, but driving in the passing lane and obstructing traffic can also be aggressive driving.
RC
(25,592 posts)There are two (or more) lanes for a reason. The faster vehicles drive in the inside lane and the slower ones on the outside. Those looking for an exit and causing the extra congestion, because the think they need to stay in the outside lane as other vehicles merge try to merge with people trying to obey the law.
What is especially bad are the "courteous" drivers that try to match their speed with those merging. It blows the timing of those merging and closes the 'hole' behind them for the next merger, sometimes leaving them with no place to go.
Obeying that law smacks of weaving in and out of traffic, which in itself is dangerous.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)left lane is restricted for trucks.
RC
(25,592 posts)Trucks here run in any lane they want.
North Dakota never has enough traffic anywhere to even contemplate anything like that.
whopis01
(3,919 posts)And not where this took place.
I have seem many locations where trucks are not allowed in the left most lane.
hatrack
(64,887 posts)The one she was passing?
kracer20
(199 posts)In the YouTube comments, she stated that she was planning on turning left about a half mile up the road.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)before she started recording. That would put her in the left lane for over 4 miles.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)
For one thing, you can see her passing a slower vehicle so she was fine. She was going 50 miles per hour. You don't even know what the speed limit is for that road, so your contention that she was driving to slow for that lane is bogus. For another, tailgating is dangerous and is far more dangerous then driving slowly in the left lane. He was in the wrong.
JohnRogan
(51 posts)
kcr
(15,522 posts)Some people are reminded about all the stresses and inconveniences in their lives and they twist it around in their mind, and then they empathize with the violent offender just because the victim is perceived to be doing something that is annoying. It happens all the time. Some were posting that the victim shouldn't have been texting in the theater shooting, too. Because ooooh, theater texters are just the worst!!! The same process was happening there, too.
JohnRogan
(51 posts)
kcr
(15,522 posts)Glad we do on this 
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)If you don't like what the driver in front of you is doing or not doing then tailgate them to get them to move? Only a wreckless stupid fucking idiot does that. That asshole got a shit load of karma payback ...cause you know he has been doing that shit to others too.
barbtries
(31,308 posts)i noticed she took the video and got a shot of her speed at one point. why? let the highway patrol worry about his speed.
it's my pet peeve since i regularly drive out on a two lane road for 90 miles in each direction and there's always at least one driver cruising in the left lane, forcing people to pass on the right.
i've said it a thousand times and so many people just do not know or do not care. if someone's going faster than you: get over. i don't care if you're doing 95 and they're doing 100. get over.
people need to know this rule of the road and drive accordingly.
the guy in the truck should of course not let his rage make him an idiot, but the driver with the video should have changed lanes probably a long time before she started shooting the video.
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Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Put the friggin' phone away and drive. If the roads are bad she should have both hands on the wheel and both eyes on the road. Florida has laws against texting while driving. I would think this could amount to careless/reckless driving. I hope this video comes back to bite her. This person is dangerous and needs to be stopped.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It takes a Florida Woman to balance the unhinged Florida Man.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Funny, funny as hell.
She was driving slower than traffic in the left lane causing traffic to pass her on the right which is dangerous. Both are assholes here!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)
DrDan
(20,411 posts)if so, she was not "slower than traffic"
She was going a reasonable speed, as was her right. The guy deserved all he got . . . including the police attention. She waited for the police to arrive - no charges against her.
No "ignorance" on her part, imo.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)She could have gotten out of his way. But no, she wanted to piss him off.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)BUT! if the officer had been enforcing left lane laws, she would have been pulled over before the incident happened.
She was driving distracted, videoing the whole thing, she was looking to piss someone off and was proud of herself when she caused the incident.
The police should revisit this incident with this video being posted and charge her with at the very least distracted driving.
The both should have gotten tickets after the fact.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)of the speed limit
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)She was holding her cell phone up recording out her back window, then her dash and following him around her.
Haven't we passed laws about distracted driving/use of cell phones while operating a motor vehicle?
It is easy to see from some of the post on this that many here don't see any problem with 1) distracted/dangerous driving while using cell phones, 2) left lane squatting is not a problem.
I am sure that in the 10's of thousands of miles I drive annually, I have encountered some of you sitting in the left lane, keeping the rest of us from breaking any laws. All you are doing when you sit in the left lane is cause traffic congestion and when you are recording it, you are instigating the problem.
Yeah he got a ticket for failure to control his vehicle and banged up, but she was just as big an asshole. Remover her and the traffic moves much better and road rage would be less of a problem.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)which she was not doing.
The police know the situation - and took appropriate action - which was to arrest him.
Just because some in traffic hold you up does not make them criminals. Read the law - 10 miles within the speed limit. She was doing that.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)You can't tell me anything else
I bet I have had to pass you on the right!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)adamant about defending the woman.
it just does nothing for me to work at making others mad, so i can feel good. makes no sense to me and i have no desire what so ever.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that would be the very definition of a self absorbed asshole.
she did not even have the consideration or decency to pull further life into the middle where the grass was to not be an obstacle for other drivers. like i said, a real genius there.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)video
even the stop in the left lane was recorded, yet he was arrested, not her
I guess we can place the blame on "Florida"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)passive aggressive driving not to mention a childish behavior that is unsafe for other drivers on the road.
ignore the fact the woman is so self absorbed and stupid to stop in the middle of the left lane, a complete stop, on a fast moving road, a wet surface, for her own entertainment.
yet... you ignore.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)self-absorbed? She stopped and waited for the police. Guess who they arrested.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)even if waiting for police? really?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)move to the right shoulder?
Whichever - she apparently did not receive a citation.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You do see the left turn lane she was getting into at the end of the video right?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)For one thing, the frickin speed limit IS the speed limit. The fast lane does not = GO AS FAST AS YOU WANT lane. It means you are still supposed to obey the limit. She was.
Additionally, she was passing two trucks, which were going very slow due to road conditions. I saw a statement from her where she said the roads were very slick and she didn't want to risk going much faster just to pass the truck. It is not her duty to put her own life at risk so a tailgaiter can get to the beer store any faster.
I get as pissed as everyone else when I'm in a hurry on the interstate and someone is gumming up the fast lane, but that doesn't mean it's okay to ride somebody's ass and put others at risk. But this was a highway with left hand turns, not an interstate. There has to be an expectation that you may have to slow down, speed demons.
So, yeah, if you ride my ass when I'm trying to pass another vehicle safely and then make a left turn, you're the moron. When people ride my ass, I go slower. Tailgaters are asswipe control freaks who should plan their days better so they don't turn the highways into goddamn death traps.
STAY OFF MY ASS and plan your trip better. Your car is not your frickin weapon
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)"Your car is not your frickin' weapon."
Excellent.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)I could tell some horror stories.
Thanks!
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and his own bad behavior.
that is a lazy form of arguing. one can both see the obvious bad behavior of the man driver, while also being able to point out the womans part.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is a hero to no one. i think it is an unfair manner of arguing to manipulate conversation in this manner.
to think road rage guy is wrong is a given. but, to call the woman out is not seeing the road rage guy as a hero. it is merely calling out the woman, too.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)she acknowledges, states he got what he deserved.
to suggest he is liberal N proud hero is wrong.
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)As texting? I too feel like she brought some of this on.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)texting is a minor offense, however - but I don't think it applies (just a guess - the law is specific to "texting"
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Not getting out of the passing lane when she could have
Driving with a cell phone in hand
Speeding up when the guy decided to pass to prevent him from passing
If she did the right thing from the beginning this never would have happened.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)she should have let the bully have his way . . .
Did she break any laws? I think not. He certainly did and is behind bars as we speak, according to local radio.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)When you're dead right, you're still dead.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)It does seem that she was deliberately messing with him.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)she would have slowed when she passed the truck - to keep him from getting into the right lane so he could pass
joshdawg
(2,965 posts)then she has as much right to the left lane as anyone else.
The left lane is not a "fast" lane.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)joshdawg
(2,965 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Passing on the right is a moving violation. Driving the speed limit in the left lane isn't.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ticket?
just a funny. a couple months ago on a very long drive, i watched a cop come up on a car, turn on lights. the car started moving over. four lanes. four fuckin lane hwy and far left going slow, congesting traffic. cop keeps lights on the person until they get all the way over to the slow lane. he turns off lights. changes lanes and passes.
my son and i busted up laughing. never saw anything like it. but, we thought a clever way to get a slow driver out of the faster lanes.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The woman in the OP was not driving under the speed limit. She was in the process of passing another vehicle. She was being tailgated while she was passing.
Passing on the right while speeding is unsafe & illegal. Driving the speed limit in the left lane is not.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Passing on the right is a moving violation.
not this, per se.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)Passing on the right is only illegal if you have to leave the roadway to do it. If you're in a travel lane when you pass on the right, you're perfectly fine.
ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)Passing on the right is legal in most cases. Clogging up the left lane however can get you a ticket in a lot of states.
It's scary how many adults don't know basic driving rules.
whopis01
(3,919 posts)Since this case is from Florida, here is the Florida Drivers' Handbook:
http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/
The relevant section here states:
"Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the roadway to pass on the right is against the law."
This is not unique to Florida. The law in most states allow cars in the right lane to travel faster that cars in the left (or middle) lanes of the road. The confusion and misinformation spreads from the concepts of passing when there is only one lane going each way - you are then required to pass on the left (by moving into the lane of oncoming traffic) and are prevented from passing on the right (by driving on the shoulder of the road).
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Was the maximum and minimum in the article? Was she still obeying the limit when she sped up to prevent him from passing?
joshdawg
(2,965 posts)She moved her camera over to the speedometer.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)conditions that did not allow her to speed up and move over.
ya. that is the ticket.
i know when i am driving in conditions that require me to slow down, both hands are on the wheel and i am totally focused on my environment. not a camera in hand and taking video.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)You saw how fast she was going at that moment, but that doesn't tell you what the limit is and whether she was following it.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)That stretch of US 41 is posted at 50 mph, she was going 60 according to her speedometer.
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joshdawg
(2,965 posts)to prevent him from passing?
Maybe you saw something that everyone else posting here missed.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)He suddenly falls behind. Then he has to increase speed even more to get ahead.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)joshdawg
(2,965 posts)Had to watch the vid again. She passed two vehicles and before she could make any attempt to move over, the idiot in the pickup whipped around her and did his little dipsy-doodle and crashed. Serves him right.
You could try watching the video again. Just a suggestion.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)well before.
that is a bull argument.
joshdawg
(2,965 posts)Since you obviously did not bother with watching the video again, there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. Blame the victim and move on. Except for one thing, the victim did not get arrested and did not crash her car making a dangerous and unsafe maneuver.
Stay safe.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)then proceed to lecture me?
lol
joshdawg
(2,965 posts)in the pickup makes his move.
And no, I do not pretend to "lecture" anyone.
I have nothing more to say to you, except "Have a good day."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)makes all the difference. she did not. she clearly let the truck know she was continuing in the left lane. and....
have a good day yourself. without quotes, lol.
ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)Clogging up the left lane will get you a fine in a lot of states. The left lane is not meant for cruising, its meant for passing.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)She passed the truck in the right lane and, before she could safely move over in the rainy conditions, the guy behind her whipped over into the right lane and then out into the left lane in front of her.
The conditions were wet enough and dangerous enough that swerving into lanes could cause an accident. Oh, wait, ... you didn't see the accident. Look at the video again.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)focusing on a camera getting the other driver. flowing traffic. rain. shit happening. total distracting.
i know with dangerous conditions, i have two hands on the wheel, and only pay attention to what is going on around me, not messing around. and certainly not playing with phone, driving one hand.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)I use two hands on the wheel myself, whenever possible.
But the woman made no false moves, not traffic infractions, no swerving, no sudden moves, no rash manoeuvers. She made a wise assessment to not swerve into the right lane ASAP after passing the truck because if she had, there would have been a three vehicle pileup and road-rage guy not wearing the seatbelt would have been ejected through a window.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)if it was so dangerous, she would not have been playing around, distracted, and one handed. if it was not so dangerous, she could do all that, she could have sped up and gotten in the right lane, letting him by.
hence
she was fuckin playin a game and being passive aggressive.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)than safely getting off the road, to giggle and film
Roland99
(53,345 posts)What if she's like me, likes to be sure there's enough of a distance before changing lanes? Sure, she could have gotten over but there would have been less than two car lengths' distance then between her and the slower vehicle in the right lane. Given the road conditions, that's not a safe maneuver.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)communicate thru blinkers.
all that was needed, ..... were blinkers. the dude would know. that simple.
what happen to the dude is his own issue with anger, and he will pay the price. but... a gleeful antagonism like this does not work for me either.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)when she was preparing to turn left?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)She stated that she was turning left in half a mile up the road. (.5)
In the video they had traveled one mile. (1.5)
She stated that he had been tailgating her for 3 minutes before the video started (4.5)
Does one need 4.5 miles to prepare for a left turn?
Mariana
(15,626 posts)when she was taking the video. Why would you assume that she wasn't passing before she started recording as well? I think if the right lane had been clear, the jackass would have gone around her on the right long before she started the recording.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)minutes before she started taking video. If you look at the video when it starts at the 4 second mark, you can see the truck that she was almost around. However 50 seconds later she finally pulls forward.
She was pacing the car in the right lane in effect making a rolling roadblock. Given that the road was clear of vehicles behind them and the fact she stated that he had been tailgating for 3 minuted prior to the video starting, she had been keeping up that rolling roadblock for about 4 miles given her speed.
I am in now way whatsoever excusing that guy's absolute shit behavior and I did get a good laugh at the instant karma. He was an asshole. That said, she was an asshole as well.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)They were both wrong. Just lucky no one else was hurt.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)Makes one wonder if everyone watched the same video. The woman purposely pissed off the guy by driving too slow and then speeding up when he passed her on the right. Then he tried it again and his finger waving caused him to have a wreck. I see no good guys here. And did you hear the woman's laugh? I mean pure Salem...
kcr
(15,522 posts)Because what you just described is not even close to what happened.
Logical
(22,457 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)
Logical
(22,457 posts)Something tells me you have some road rage issues yourself!
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Let's be honest, he chose to become enraged-- she did not cause it. Although it's convenient to blame our emotions and actions on other people, we are evolved enough and disciplined enough as a species to allow or deny ourselves those inner compulsions and urges we may allow ourselves to feel.
If we choose to be weak and follow our base instincts and urges, that lies wholly on us-- no one else.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)also incompetent and unsafe stopping in the middle of the lane, that is on her. that is how i see it. they each get to own their own behavior.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)posted speed limit to move over?
If not then your post is invalid. If she was driving the posted or even exceeding the limit then she was lawfully driving her vehicle in whichever lane she chose.
Georgia I believe just passed a "slow poke" law that requires drivers, even if they are driving at or exceeding the posted speed limit, to move over to allow traffic to pass even if that traffic is not law enforcement or emergency.
I don't drive in the left hand lane but I frequently have the driving "holes" who come up on my tail and are trying to swerve to the left or the right to get around me. I let them only to see they are never more than 1-2 car lengths ahead of me when we exit or approach an intersection. I just laugh at them.
95% of the time they are either SUVs or pick-ups. This suggests to me that drivers of those vehicles should have a 500% premium attached to their insurance because they are more likely than not to be aggressive and in need of a good smack down.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)even if it's not a law.
I was down in the Miami area last year and around 10am on a Saturday morning, we were driving on a 5 lane highway and there would constantly be a row of 5 cars going about the same speed. On a Saturday morning with not many cars on the road.
the left lane car would never move over - none of the cars would move. Everyone picks a lane and sticks with it causing anyone who wants to go faster than them to constantly weave in and out.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)the person in the left hand lane was going the posted speed limit or above. Speed limits mean you are not allowed to legally drive faster than this.
Those that want to drive fast should fly to Germany and try driving on the Autobahn.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)But really, there's no reason to hold up traffic IF you can move over to the right regardless of fast you're driving.
I do it all the time and I'd like to think most people do.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Oh,
and yes this was FUNNY AS FUCK that prick deserved it
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)JohnRogan
(51 posts)She was driving slower than traffic in the left lane causing traffic to pass her on the right which is dangerous. Both are assholes here!
I'm sorry I learned to drive in the 60's, isn't the left lane the passing lane, and in general its incorrect to pass on the right?
Did you mean to type she was going faster than the autos in left lane? which is also no excuse for aggressive behavior
Once the truck schmuck started to drive in a deliberate manner to intimidate the woman he was breaking the law and creating a dangerous situation no matter how she was driving, shit I hope you are not in law enforcement!
Are you the kind of person who would ask a rape victim what he or she did to cause it?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)He got what he deserved. I hope the judge gives him a second helping. I also hope the insurance company denies his claim.
NBachers
(19,438 posts)on the right - you do that in the left lane, if I'm not mistaken.
As soon as she gets ahead of the second slower vehicle, which is in the right hand lane, Florida Man swoops in front of the slower vehicle and occupies the right-hand lane. She couldn't have gotten over if she wanted to. Florida Man was blocking her access to the right-hand lane. Check out 1:03 in the video.
Here's a screen grab from 1:02 - it shows two trucks to the right of her- she has just passed 'em. Florida Man is beginning to make his big move to occupy the lane to the right.
Nobody should swoop into the right lane that close to a vehicle they've just passed. It looks like his truck bed will hit the vehicle in the right-hand lane.
The speedometer indicates that she's going about 57 to 58 MPH. We know it's in traffic with wet road conditions. She's not a passing-lane slow-hog if she's driving on wet roads in traffic at 57 to 58 miles per hour, with slower trucks on the right.
So, l & p, does this give you enough proof to admit you're wrong, and retract your statement that "She was driving slower than traffic in the left lane causing traffic to pass her on the right which is dangerous. Both are assholes here!"
The only person passing her on the right is Florida Man, and he endangered the vehicle on the right by belligerently jumping in front of it.
Please, you erroneously called her an asshole. Please, do the right thing and take that back.
demwing
(16,916 posts)No need to laugh at someone's potential injuries.
Sometimes, I just do not fucking understand people.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)
edbermac
(16,449 posts)I love it when he smiles and gives her the finger and then two seconds later he wipes out!
joshdawg
(2,965 posts)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)He ended up using an on/off lane as a passing lane to pass me in a big hurry doing at least 70. about a mile down the road there was the radar cop. I gave him a big hand of applause as I drove past.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)litigation would pay for them many times over....insurance companies require them in Russia, and all manner of crazy stuff, including a meteorite strike, are recorded.
7962
(11,841 posts)So many videos of drunks and wild car crashes and I wondered why so many people had car cams
Sanity Claws
(22,413 posts)Left lane is for passing, not driving. He finally passed her on the right.
He has an anger issue. She has a misunderstanding of the left lane purpose.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Sitting in the left lane blocking traffic running her cell phone making a video.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)nervous to switch lanes. The guy is the only one at fault!
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Left lane squatter cause most traffic congestion.
B Calm
(28,762 posts) liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)
Bandit
(21,475 posts)There is not.....There is however a slow lane. If you are driving less than the posted speed limit you should use the right lane. If you are driving the posted speed limit both lanes are appropriate. You sound like you commonly break the law while driving and thus are a hazard.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)In my original home state, you cannot travel in the left lane. If there is room in any lane to the right, you are to travel in that lane. You are required to stay to the right unless you are overtaking a vehicle. In fact they just doubled the fines. So, driving the posted speed limit in the left lane will get you a ticket, as traveling in the left lane is not appropriate.
You are correct that it is not a "fast lane", it is however the "passing lane".
whopis01
(3,919 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)That's how
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)That's why she didn't change lanes, sped up when he passed, and then found the thing so funny.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)She should have gotten over when she saw he wanted to pass. Not defending how he handled the situation, but she was being an idiot too.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Generally, that is done from the left lane.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Um, ok, still less than stellar driving on her part.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)She had plenty of time at the beginning to get over, but instead she opted to get her cell phone out and make a video (!?!). No wonder she was not comfortable getting over! She only had one hand on the wheel and she was very distracted. And then she seemed to speed up when the other guy tried to pass on the right. Again, not defending the other driver's behavior, but the lady who made the video was clearly on board for the interaction.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)road rage!
I wished I had video of the jerk that forced my 18 wheeler into the middle on I-65!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Also, I would never, ever take my hand off the wheel to get out my cell phone and set up a video (or even take a call) at that rate of speed. So unsafe.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)the wheel to adjust the radio or something else?
You are perfect!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Be serious.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)why was she video taping while driving. Turning around to film too.
hatrack
(64,887 posts)nt
baldguy
(36,649 posts)One was a flatbed. The second looking like an ambulance.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)They are both morons. I wouldn't want to be on the road with either of them.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)whopis01
(3,919 posts)In this case, it is not a "passing lane". On this type of road it is considered a travel lane. And it is perfectly legal to pass other vehicles while traveling in the right lane.
There is quite a lot of confusion and misinformation about what the driving laws actually are - so it is a common misconception.
But on a road like that, where there are two or more lanes traveling the same direction, you are allowed to pass in the right lane and the left lane is considered a travel lane. When there is only one lane going your direction, you are required to pass on the left. But that's not the case here.
TxDemChem
(1,924 posts)but as the lady said, "That's what you get, buddy." Instant karma!
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)I had to sit behind an entire construction company driving in the left lane. Traffic was backed up for 10 miles as they were driving under the speed limit and no one could get past them.
This woman was not totally innocent because the law reads slower traffic keep right and she was obviously slower as this guy passed her on the dangerous right lane.
Yes he was an asshole and I don't defend him, but the whole thing could have been avoided by drivers respecting lane laws.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)ie: someone just like him - Bubba/NRA/KKK/Federalist/Teabagger asshole in his pickemup truck tailgating anyone who gets in his way.
I damn near got killed by one of those swine a year or so ago.
NC is infested with them.
think4yourself
(870 posts)Every redneck thinks they're NASCAR. Men AND women.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Yeah, he was an asshole and deserved to crash for driving like a fucking idiot. But this story is not a one sided story, she was in the left lane and would not get over, he passed her on the right and this proves that is very dangerous.
So this woman was sitting, no blocking the left lane causing traffic congestion and videoing the whole fucking incident. You can praise her all you want, but she was reckless and not innocent here.
Get the fucking slow drivers out of the left lane and traffic congestion will clear up in many - many areas.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)
a kennedy
(35,978 posts)they're bullies of the road. Hate em.....and she was at fault for not moving into the right lane, but sheesh.....that's how fast road rage starts....no one has any patience anymore, and I think it all started with the remote control. Yup the remote control started our beginning of no patience. JMHO
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Get them out of the left lane and traffic will move much more freely.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)"Motor Vehicle Operators" and "Dumb-ass Drivers"
Of course, with so many here stating so emphatically that there is no law against driving just the speed limit in the left lane, or that there is no such thing as a "passing lane" I just had to do some research! 
Common practice and most law on United States Highways is that the left lane is reserved for passing and faster moving traffic, and that traffic using the left lane must yield to traffic wishing to overtake. The United States Uniform Vehicle Code states:
Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...
It is also illegal in many states in the U.S. to use the "far left" or passing lane on a major highway as a traveling lane (as opposed to passing), or to fail to yield to faster moving traffic that is attempting to overtake in that lane.
You may use the left lane (when there is more than one lane in your direction) to pass. You may or may not be able to use the left lane when not passing. The table below describes the law in effect in each state.
A few states permit use of the left lane only for passing or turning left. These have "yes" in the "keep right" column. Six states require drivers to move right if they are blocking traffic in the left lane. Most states follow the Uniform Vehicle Code and require drivers to keep right if they are going slower than the normal speed of traffic (regardless of the speed limit; see below). These are listed as "slower", with an asterisk and an explanation under "comments" if vehicles lawfully using the left lane must yield to overtaking traffic. A few states either do not require vehicles to keep right ("no"
, or permit vehicles moving at the speed limit to drive in the left lane regardless of traffic conditions ("<SL" .
The color coding in the "keep right" column is red if the state has no restriction on slow vehicles in the left lane, yellow if vehicles moving at the normal speed of traffic are permitted in the left lane even when they are unnecessarily obstructing other traffic, green if use of the left lane is limited to passing, and grey otherwise.
Map of the above laws
Now, while some may be sticklers and insist those laws are "Keep Right" and do not define a "Passing Lane", here in Texas, I have seen a few signs (not nearly as many as I would like) that state exactly "Left Lane For Passing Only." And while that does not say exactly "Passing Lane" it does seem like a pretty straight-forward definition of that to me
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)This is a 4 lane divided highway, speed trap in Florida, through a heavy commercial district. She was most certainly NOT left lane squatting as the left lane on this road is NOT designated as a passing lane, nor is it a high speed highway.
This is a CITY street, filled with hotels/motels, fast food joints and strip mall shopping centers.
NOT a freeway.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Looked like many rural divided Florida highways.
There are so many excuses for those who can't change lanes.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)was trained on the guy harassing her? Ya think?
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)And it will take longer because I will surely get stuck behind some asshole sitting in the left lane, to keep me from going faster than they are.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)in the article. And, you'll quickly see the Red Roof Inn right there.
Nay
(12,051 posts)of -- it's 4-lane, divided, with no freeway entrances/exits -- it's intersected by roads where you can turn left and right. Thus, in my mind, 'squatting' in the left lane is not an issue. It is essentially a local road.
If anything bends ME out of shape, it's the idiot who thinks everyone else ought to jump out of his way when HE is going down the road. I've had people tell me that left-lane squatter shit applied to any 4-lane road. That's idiotic. If I'm going to turn left up ahead, I'm not gonna get in the rt lane so your precious ass can zoom by.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)This thread contains a whoooole lot of open mouth, insert foot.
Besides, almost all of the right lane traffic is only in that lane to turn right into one of the businesses. The left lane on this road is the only lane for through traffic and left hand turns.
Captain Stern
(2,253 posts)Some folks seem to be missing this.
Slower traffic definitely should stay out of the left lane on a limited access highway like an interstate. I'd like to see the people that hold up traffic by using it as a travel lane ticketed every single time. But this road isn't an interstate type road. Left turns are permitted from this road. Under those conditions the left lane isn't a "passing lane" or "fast lane".
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Allows you to use street view to walk the accident scene.
Perhaps if those railing against this woman will learn a thing or two.
http://goo.gl/maps/HBmmP
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Which is what I thought I saw in the video
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd think that those who allow themselves to become frustrated due to something as benign as traffic slow-downs, or enraged to point of endangering themselves (and others) that they're going to be ten minutes too late to late to watch Wheel of Fortune may want to put the keys away for awhile... forgetting that it's just traffic is little more than a petulant first world problem, it's a clear indication of a loose cannon, regardless of how you may rationalize it otherwise...
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)That was primarily the woman's fault. Don't get me wrong, the guy's reaction was foolish and potentially dangerous. But, clearly this woman meant to provoke. She hung out in the passing lane when she had the alternative of the right lane available. She was playing miss technicality by showing herself driving 50 and baited the guy to respond rather than moving over to the slow lane. Then she stopped when he spun out to enjoy the results of her provocation. He was a jerk but, she set out to bait the jerk which was just as foolish IMO.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Why else would she videotape the entire episode? Even taking time to note her speed?
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)I don't know what the speed limit is on that road, but the road was clear and she should have changed lanes to let him pass. He was wrong for tailgating her. Then he decided to change lands to pass and she sped up to not let him pass. Of course he goes through his finger shenanigans, loses control and crashes.
But if she did what she was supposed to do from the beginning, this wouldn't have happened. They are both responsible and the cops should factor in her behavior as well.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)rppper
(2,952 posts)Then shot around her when the right lane cleared out.....I drive in central Florida too...the roads are filled with nano-dic psychotic asshats with F250s just like this guy...you just let them go around you. Why people tail gate in this state is beyond me. Florida has a "following to closely" law...all she has to do is brake check him, and it's his fault if he collides into the back of her. Good for her!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)She had plenty of opportunity to move over to the right lane. She wanted to provoke a nut and she did.
rppper
(2,952 posts)To back off if her tail...he looked to be anywhere from .5 to 1.5 car lengths behind at any point. The road wasn't that crowded and she was driving nearly 60mph on a city thoroughfare...he was being a jerk. You deal with 3 or 4 jerks like him a day here...driving like they belong in some mad max flick, bullying a smaller vehicle.
Florida law is very clear about tailgating...wouldn't have mattered if she slammed on her brakes...had he struck her he's at fault. I'll give you that she wasn't being a nice driver either, but she wasn't doing anything illegal, he was. That middle finger and yelling? That's simple assault here....hell, she could have possibly used a SYG defense and pulled a weapon!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I also drive the Central Florida roads and have those same clods on my tail . . . even worse, tailgating while on a motorcycle.
He deserved that careless driving arrest!
rppper
(2,952 posts)The Daytona/Sanford/deltona area seems to be a breeding ground for rednecks with shoulder chips in huge heavy duty trucks.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)rppper
(2,952 posts)To I95 or vice versa....50 extra miles but much easier driving....just bring plenty of change!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)(I still refer to it as the Beeline also)
rppper
(2,952 posts)From NE Texas during the 90s...he's lived here since '83. I had a free place to stay during the spring breaks back in the mid 80s, and I made a lot of friends and connections here, but I didn't actually move here until I was discharged from the navy in '97.
Oh yeah, turn right to the airport or left to canaveral! I've never called it anything but the beeline!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)rppper
(2,952 posts)But I notice a lot of the posters bashing this lady aren't from here...yeah it's a weak defense, but live down here for a few years and get a taste of the redneck/NASCAR wanna bees...they'd whistle a different tune!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you are good with this?
i think about any across the nation you will have people that experience inconsiderate and poor drivers. and still, that does not justify me working at creating an unsafe situation. and if that truck took out another car.... something you helped perpetuate, cause of the "redneck/NASCAR wanna bees". i am sure you would shrug off any responsibility.
rppper
(2,952 posts)I've clearly stated she wasn't being a great friendly driver either, but he is clearly the aggressor here, not her, and having lived here and being well aware of the temperament of some of the drivers here I don't blame her for what she did. She did nothing illegal, he did...he was behaving pretty unpredictably...she stayed straight, let him pass in all his craziness....he decided to pass and punch it on a slick road...sorry if you don't like opinion...you're certainly entitled to yours.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a game.
and you know. florida. i hear so many stories. and nationwide. i literally drive, with an afterthought. gun. shoot shooot. kill. tell boys, 16 and 18. do not mess. drive nice, accommodate, considerate and not with ego. you can end up dead.
rppper
(2,952 posts)Not a sudden stop mind you, but enough to put the brake lights on, had he rode my tail as aggressively as he was tailgating her. I'm sure the middle finger and stare down were all part of that mentality too..."I'll show that woman...." Style BS...I've had these same idiots follow me like that on a motorcycle...they don't care....that huge chrome bumper was taking up quite a bit of her rear window....imagine that on a bike! I have zero sympathy for aggressive, tailgating drivers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)talk about fuckin in my face irritating, and can send me over the bend in anger.
i get it.
i got out of two tickets telling a policeman that pulled me over for speeding, that i had this behavior and i was merely trying to get away from the assholes.
i do not ignore the womans behavior either. that is all.
rppper
(2,952 posts)And just for the record, I learned to drive on the LBJ freeway as a teen! No need to explain Texas drivers to me! I feel your pain there! Be safe!
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)You can see it in the video
That is way over the speed limit in that area
So there was nothing wrong with her riding in that lane.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)looks like a responsible speed for that divided road
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)then stopping in that lane to laugh.
genius.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)And then proud of herself for causing the incident.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)she stopped in the lane to laugh some more, cause more problems for other drivers instead of safely getting off the road.
when one passes, speed up, get around and move back over to the right lane. courteous driving. that simple.
i have no desire what so ever to make others upset or angry while i drive. not only might they hurt themselves, which i have no interest in, but they might hurt other, which i especially would not want.
you think it cute.
i think it put lives in jeopardy so she could play a fuckin stupid passive aggressive game.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)especially once someone who covers the accident sees the video that goes with it
DrDan
(20,411 posts)hope that macho-move was worth it to him
B Calm
(28,762 posts)to him!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that. and no. she was not driving responsibly. she was distracted and being passive aggressive. she could have easily gotten over a couple times.
she also stopped in the middle of the left lane. came to a complete stop, for her own entertainment, instead of shifting lanes and pulling off road, or edging off the side of the road, in the middle. instead, she stops in the left lane, stopping all traffic. there was nothing safe or responsible or considerate in her driving.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Blocking the passing lane, turning around while driving to film, blocking when he tries to pass on right.
People here want to give her the Medal Of Freedom for her valor.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)1) "Keep Right Except When Passing" is usually only the law on limited-access divided highways. This incident occurred on a surface street.
2) She was in the process of passing another vehicle. Passing properly & safely in less than optimal road conditions takes some time.
3) There are a million other reasons why a vehicle may be driving at or under the speed limit in the left lane. The driver doing so would not be required to justify her actions.
4) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely tailgate.
5) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely change lanes.
6) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely drive at excessive speed.
7) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely pass her on the right.
8) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely hang out his window flipping her the finger as he illegally & unsafely passes her.
9) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely neglect to pay attention to the road.
10) Just because another car is driving slower does not require or allow the asshole redneck to illegally & unsafely neglect to maintain control of his own vehicle.
The responsibility for road rage rests with the rager - not with the innocent, innocuous people who set them off.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)blueamy66
(6,795 posts)What the hell is happening on this site?
The dumbfucks were the 2 drivers in the OP's video.
And the woman was NOT innocent or innocuous.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It's really stupid to intentionally provoke other drivers.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)And as I wrote downthread, she is lucky she didn't get shot.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)
Violet_Crumble
(36,385 posts)Someone flipping another driver the finger is par for the course where I live. The way this was hyped up, I thought I was going to see actual road rage, like one car trying to run another off the road, or ramming or something, and all I got was some complete weirdo who was trying to kick something off and then cackled like she'd won Lotto when the other car went off the road and crashed.
I hope if using mobile phones while driving is illegal wherever that was, that the cops threw the book at her. That clip doesn't make either driver look good...
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)I don't consider this road rage. I consider this everyday PHX driving.
If I was in the left lane and someone began to tailgate me, I would move the hell over.
It's 2014...crazy shit is happening on our roads...
Lucky for her it ended up this way, instead of her getting shot.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)She was driving distracted - looking for an altercation and proud when she got one.
1) Left lane squatters are a traffic hazard where ever they are.
2) Distracted driving weather changing the radio station, texting or recording the driver behind you is reckless driving.
3) She had room to pull over because the pick up passed her in the right
Defend the left laners all you want, but they are the biggest traffic problem on the road outside of distracted/reckless drivers.
Both were at fault here and only one paid because he had a testosterone problem and lost his cool.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)in the previous week (and you just know he did) was guilty of some minor infraction in his mind - either real or imagined.
And which of the drivers here was more distracted? The one who was minding the road conditions & other vehicles, driving the speed limit, maintaining a safe following distance with the vehicles in front, passing safely & staying in her lane afterward? Or the one who was busy concentrating his anger on one vehicle, speeding, tailgating that vehicle, passing unsafely, driving recklessly, not noticing the red light because he was too busy hanging out of his window flipping the woman off & who finally crashed because he couldn't control what his vehicle was doing?
I'm sorry that you feel that the mere idea of traffic makes road rage seem like a reasonable response, but the fact is the type of behavior the redneck asshole exhibited in the video kills people on a regular basis. What the woman was doing doesn't.
Your double standard is showing.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)You have no clue what i'm doing in the left lane.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)on this for sure.... lmao
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts) seabeyond
(110,159 posts)my question. my question is... really? you can justify that behavior purposely causing an accident. in a death machine. something we are all responsible to take very seriously. cause we are talking about others lives. you could possibly cause a chain of unseen events just for your own vindictive chuckle and giggle?
see
that is nowhere in me. that behavior makes no sense to me at all.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you do not want to answer, cause the tough guy rhetoric, or dumbshit irresponsible of causing an accident purposely cannot be justified.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Brake checking can result in criminal assault charges
http://jimcorleylaw.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/slam-brakes-on-tailgating-criminal-charge-prevent-accident-injury-recovery/
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)
kcr
(15,522 posts)
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)No life, you?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Was not injured because of these two jerks. This lady wasn't in fear, she made the dangerous decision to stop her car on the highway (stupid move) to admire her handiwork.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)In the part of the video where her car stopped, I see a left turn arrows painted on the ground and from the view heading forward before she stops, she moved left into a dedicated turn lane.
I'd like to know the speed limit in the area -- I suspect 35-45 mph as there are houses right on side of the road -- you can see adjacent homes as he is passing and flipping her off. Definitely thankful as you noted -- would have been tragic for him to have slid right into a neighbor's yard full of children playing.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)wanted to give a statement about it.
Note to tailgate addicts: If you're about to pass several trucks ( she was passing several at the time ) that are right ahead of you, and then you are in the process of passing them, and someone rides your ass while you're doing so, you CANNOT PULL OVER OR YOU WILL HIT THE TRUCKS YOU ARE PASSING. There is no physical way to "MOVE OVER." So if you're behind someone passing another vehicle or vehicles, YOU are the asswipe raging idiot if you tailgate them expecting them to speed way up on a rainy road just to pass as fast as you wish them to.
I am SO SICK of tailgaters and speed demons who use the road as their "Message to everyone who doesn't want to drive like a lunatic like me" street. Fuck that shit. This guy got what he deserved. I laughed my ass off.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)I'm guessing as this goes viral, someone is going to find themselves watching from his insurance company (if he even carries it) and will make adjustments to his billing, noting his ability to drive like an adult without losing a grip. (on the road, or otherwise.)
I don't care how fast people think the passing 'should' have been occurring, on a rain-wet road, she has the legal right to drive and pass at a safe speed, not dictated by ego-maniacs who want to make life hell for others. He proved the 'safe speed' issue by spinning wildly out of control himself. I think her video showed she was not only passing at a safe speed for weather conditions, but that jerks can sometimes get their due.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)...of Vertical Video Syndrome.
Stop it, people, stop it! Hold your phone the right f*cking direction!
frylock
(34,825 posts)blueamy66
(6,795 posts)nt
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I drive in the right hand lane doing the speed limit or maybe 5 miles over it. How many times has there been a pick up truck on my tail. Sometimes even for 15 miles. One even was honking at me. Excuse me? What is the left hand lane for???? PASSING.
I think so many of these drivers do this on PURPOSE looking for trouble. One time I even pulled off the road to lose him. I do not want a confrontation, jerk.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)We have these assholes in California as well. Personally, I would have pulled to the right lane and just let him pass. That way, WHEN he loses control on a wet road and crashes into a telephone pole, I'm nowhere around him. I would have, however, waited around for the police to volunteer as a witness to his driving behavior before the accident. Happy to help law enforcement when I can. 
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)has to deal with that situation as well! I went through this very thing on my commute to work this morning - a perfrectly open passing lane to the left of me, but this jackwagon had to sit on my rear bumper as I had my cruise control set at 66 mph (65 mph zone), minding my own business in the right-hand lane. He finally left the highway via an off-ramp, only after being on my tail for a good 3-4 miles.
The mega-trucks (like in the video) and full-size SUVs seem to do this disproportionately.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)The guy was in a big truck, damned determined to rear end me. As soon as I could find a place, I pulled over and let him pass. We're down to one car at the moment and it's required to get both of us to and from work. I can't afford a wreck with no public transportation available.
The day before that, I was behind a pickup with a case of water in the back of a pickup, with the tailgate DOWN. Damned thing was an accident waiting to happen as I watched that water swing back and forth all over the tailgate. Again, I pulled over to get away from the jerk and avoid that damned water going through my windshield.
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)had several CINDER BLOCKS loosely strewn across the bed! I figured that one serious bump in the road could have sent one of those babies into the air, and who knows where it would have ended up?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Here in Texas it can get you a ticket with a $150 fine attached. Also the truck is not allowed back on the road until the load is secured.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)This what hangs off the back of my truck. It seems to have an affect on would be tailgaters.
Dr. Strange
(26,058 posts)Apparently.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Sometimes the left lane is for making left hand turns at intersections.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)He has anger issues and poor driving skills, obviously.
So does she. The left lane is a passing lane. Once she passed the vehicle on the right, she should have moved over to the right. Anyone who says differently is wrong.
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)failed to move to the right, seems she was out to do exactly what she did.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)as there is enough room , which to them is like a length of a car, so you just wait for them to move. I've pulled over and they will simultaneously because their idea of enough space, sitting behind me yet, is the same as mine, sitting in front of them. So I'd say she was waiting for him to pass her on the right, which he did.
It looked to me like she maintained her speed, that he sped up, then slowed back to give her the finger , then sped up to get in front of her and lost it. I get that impression cuz she states that he had been tailing her for more than a minute before she filmed, he flipped her off, he took off flying, just driving erratically in general, getting his rage on.
I used to live at the bottom of a hill where people always sped and one winter day a guy came over the hill, flying his ass off just as I was pulling out, he slammed his brakes, went sideways, then slammed into the little stone bridge. I finished pulling out and went to work. Fuck head. We lost 5 cats to those assholes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)clearing right lane traffic. clearly tells truck what he needs to know. not a fuggin tough one. blinkers. use them. they are all of our friends.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Blinkers always work with assholes. This woman was already going over the speed limit and was passing cars. He didn't want to just pass her. He kept pulling along side her, then puling away, then pulling up again. This wasn't an expressway, but a regular road, with left turn lanes to begin with. Assholes like that guy target people. They'll do it even if you're in the right hand lane. This blaming the victim is sad to see coming from you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)other drivers. not my role when i get behind the wheel. i do not mind being accommodating. i do not mind sharing lanes. i do not mind back down. being nice. considerate.
none of those bother me. if i can make things easier, i will do it, readily. does not bother me or challenge my own ego.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Odds are if she'd moved into the other lane he would have just moved right on behind her and kept up the harassment. This isn't about left lane hoggers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i do this so i get it done, and can move over. leaving the other lane open. i do it naturally. i felt from the beginnning, and getting camera, she was playing a game.
i do not like game playing with driving. whomever.
the truck was not like on ass continually. he was saying scoot over. and would back off.
i feel she played him
she could have put on blinker. she could have sped up, with intent to move over
clear messages to the guy. we all know this. she chose none of that and filmed.
i do not like that. i do not like it any more than what the man did. neither are ok to me.
we see it differently.
kcr
(15,522 posts)How dare she drive her vehicle? It wasn't a controlled access expressway.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and ways i do not use.
again... i do disagree with you. you do not see it the same way i do.
and no.... driving? is not what i am saying.
kcr
(15,522 posts)In a straight line, going 50 miles per hour in a lane she had every right to be in. Doing absolutely nothing wrong. She wasn't tailgating, speeding up and slowing down or doing any of that stuff. Merely driving. On a surface road, not an expressway. I don't see how that's playing games. Some other jackass decided to start tailgating and driving up along side her and then tailgaiting her while flipping her the bird. He was doing that. And HE was the one who sped up, spun out and crashed. That was ALL him.
kcr
(15,522 posts)She couldn't move to the right. It was raining and she was passing trucks. She was also getting ready to turn left, which is why she was in the left lane. So, she was minding her own business driving in a lane she had every right to be in, and needed to be in. This jackass acting like a jackass brought it all on himself. She didn't do a damn thing wrong.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)just curious
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:17 AM - Edit history (1)
Dale Mabry Highway is a north–south road in Tampa, Florida. The majority of its length consists of three lanes each direction plus a central turn-lane and often includes a right-turn lane. It begins at the MacDill Air Force Base entrance in South Tampa and ends by merging with US 41 just north of the Pasco County border.
The speed limit for most the length is 45 mph (72 km/h). * updated to note area in question is at 50 mpg but does not include the School Zone where the passing took place
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Given that it was raining and there was a school zone..... hmmmm...
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)IF there is a local transit company (I suspect so) the right lane is preserved for buses!
Since it was a SCHOOL ZONE, my guess is that the right lane is also HEAVILY populated with school buses!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)As plain as day what the REAL situation was, now isn't it?
kcr
(15,522 posts)If someone shoots and kills a person driving in the left lane, it won't matter with some. They'll see the words "left hand lane" and think of every time they were behind someone driving slow in the left lane, feelings of rage will build up, and they'll start ranting about that. In the thread about a person shot to death in the left lane. And we'll have our epic flame war.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)ROFL
Sorry, couldn't resist.
kcr
(15,522 posts)We'd have to add it to the pile. 
Vattel
(9,289 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)FREEWAY ENTRANCES OR EXITS, and a 45-mph speed limit, THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS A LEFT-LANE SQUATTER. The cars in the right lanes are traveling forward or turning right, the cars in the left lanes are traveling forward or turning left. This is not a limited-access highway where slower traffic is to stay right.
Why is this so hard for folks to understand?
Jesus, the guy finally passes her, then slows down to shoot a bird, so his game was being an ass, not getting somewhere.
this was NOT an interstate. repeat: NOT AN INTERSTATE.
He got what he deserved.
All you road raging tailgaters who think you OWN the road can kiss my ass.
frylock
(34,825 posts)you have a whole lot of people here in this thread that apparently make left-hand turns from the right lane.
mnhtnbb
(33,348 posts)If they do it in the right lane, I slow down some more until they get fed up and pass
on the left.
Seems like she was just out to annoy him.
My husband, though, likes to drive in the left lane and will get in a pissing contest if someone tailgates
him in the left lane. Drives me nuts. I'll tell him to move over to the right lane and he won't do it.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)You have just as much right to that lane as everyone else and you can go as slow as you want to.
mnhtnbb
(33,348 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)make the person pass you on the right.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)That may be true in traffic, but not on an empty road.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)just because someone is driving faster than you.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)from a car accident.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)She passed the commercial truck that was in the right lane and, before she could safely move over to the right in the rainy conditions, the guy behind her whipped over into the right lane and then out into the left lane in front of her.
The conditions were wet enough and dangerous enough that swerving into lanes could cause an accident. Oh, wait, ... you didn't see the accident. Look at the video again.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)And she didn't. She probably shouldn't have been driving in the left lane anyway, but that's not a big deal on its own.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Don't you want to show the other driver what's what by making a dangerous situation even more dangerous?
Mariana
(15,626 posts)She was preparing to make a left turn. Making a left turn from the right lane is generally frowned upon, being extremely unsafe.
frylock
(34,825 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)I hope she gets ticketed as well.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)and never will. I wished I had video of the asshole who passed two semis in the emergency lane on I65, then flew back into the passing lane right in front of my freightliner and slammed his brakes!
Lithos
(26,638 posts)but man, Karma (Carma in this case) is such a bitch.
Glad he didn't hurt anyone on his spin out.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)what is it with them? "My vehicle is bigger than yours, therefore I AM KING". These guys are on my ass all the time. (And yes, I drive the speed limit, stay in right lane, try to stay out of their way, etc.)
Like to get a bumper sticker on my little Subaru saying "your truck is big, but your dick is still too small" but I wouldn't live very long.......
mnhtnbb
(33,348 posts)Once many, many years ago in Hawaii, I was driving up a mountain--
think it was on the Big Island--and I had a bus tailgating me. I was
doing 80+ and he was STILL all over me going UPHILL! It was a one lane road.
I finally pulled OFF the road and let him pass because I didn't want him running
over me on the way down the mountain.
Total asshole.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Those aren't cheap LOL
Nine
(1,741 posts)That's what my mother used to say. "Stand Your Ground" attitudes do not belong on the road. When you're a driver, it's your responsibility to do everything you can to prevent accidents, and that includes disengaging from jerks. Someone could have been seriously injured here. I can't tell whether this driver had an opportunity to pull over, but if she could have, she should have. She should not have been filming while driving. She should not have stopped in the middle of the road. And a decent human being should not be laughing at another human being getting into an accident.
gordianot
(15,772 posts)There was varying degrees of road rage in both vehicles. At 62 years old the two worst cases of road rage I ever witnessed both occured while on vacation in Florida which makes it long odds. I saw two incidents of drivers forced off the road and through the rear view mirror saw one driver get out of his vehicle with a club.
mnhtnbb
(33,348 posts)from NC and I cannot tell you how awful/fast/tailgating the drivers were in Florida.
I was on 95 to Jacksonville--across the state to pick up 75 and down
it past Tampa--to Fort Myers. I will never do that again.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)You should have taken 301 down to Ocala then get on 75. Saves about 45 miles at least.
Takket
(23,715 posts)As far as obey the rules of the road, she did nothing wrong. That's a 4 line divided boulevard with left turn lanes. There is no requirement to "get over". There would have been no incident at all if, after he got in the right lane and passed her, he had just gone on about his business. But no, he had to be a tough guy and flip her off once he saw it was a woman. i bet if it been some guy bigger than him he wouldn't have done that.
Don't know the specifics of cell phone laws here, if she could get a ticket for using the phone while driving, but a lot of those laws are only IF you commit some sort of toher infraction while using the phone, and I saw no other infraction on her part.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)"I couldn't move over because there were trucks in the right lane, and I sure as heck wasn't going to speed on a rainy day with the roads being as slick as they were. I was turning left in about a half-mile when this happened. Now bear in mind, that this guy had already passed a truck in a left turn lane, was tailgating and driving recklessly on a wet slick road, wasn't paying attention, and all in all being an ignorant ass."
If she was planning a left turn exit, then there is no need for all the "left lane hogging" nonsense displayed here.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)On top of that it took her about another minute to pass those trucks in the video.
If it takes you 4 minutes to pass, perhaps you should move over and wait until there is no traffic to make the attempt.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)to be in the left lane. Duh. Left lanes exist only for passing, on every single road everywhere that has a left lane.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Which is kind of what he did when he went out of control. So I guess he was driving responsibly after all!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)This wasn't on an interstate. She was getting ready to turn left. This was the guy's fault completely.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Hard to look up and see all the DU members that think there is any justification in the actions of the angry tailgater. The guy needs some serious anger management classes and the judge will most likely assign him some if he is lucky. The whole idea that you may have a right to harass another driver because they may not be driving correctly is totally fucked up. Sometimes DU members make me wonder WTF who am I hanging out with here.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Not to mention she wasn't even doing anything wrong. You can drive in the left lane even if you aren't a speed demon. It isn't the frigging autobahn despite what some may think. I guess some people think you're supposed to somehow teleport your car to the left turn, because impeding speeders progress is the worst transgression imaginable, and whatever happens is your fault. She should have taken three right turns instead and this all would have been avoided.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Glad this gigantic asshole was caught on camera. Too bad the masses of other asshole drivers are too stupid to learn a lesson from this. That guy is lucky he didn't get shot. Way too many people carry here. His driving put others at risk of death and that could be reason for a stand your ground shooting.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)till they learn how to play in the sandbox together.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)drives a pickup!
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I was driving on 575 in Georgia one afternoon. A jerk in a pickup was tailgating me. The traffic came to a stop and I stopped. The idiot was so close to me that he slammed on his brakes, run down a ditch next to the road and turned over. I think I laughed just like that woman.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)It's no different than watching working class people voting republican!
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)JohnRogan
(51 posts)then he would have a ticket and no job!
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)What I observed...
According to her own comments on the youtube page, he had been tailgating her for 3 minutes before she started recording.
The road is empty behind them.
If you notice at the 4 second mark you will catch a glimpse of the flatbed in the right lane.
Then at the 49 second mark, she finally starts getting around the flatbed.
In between those two times she is adjusting her speed. She slowed twice then sped up at about the 45 second mark.
His actions are horrible, and there is zero excuse for them.
However, she was intentionally creating a rolling roadblock by pacing the vehicle in the right lane. If her own comments are true, then she was blocking the lane for about 4 minutes.
They are both doodie heads.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I can't see how this shows either one of them in a positive light. Jerks all the way around.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)drive slowly in the left lane.
B Calm
(28,762 posts) 
polly7
(20,582 posts)some friends and I flew to Florida once and rented a car to go exploring ...... being a passenger with her driving there was the closest I've ever come to death. Very aggressive people! Of course being from the sticks and driving mostly dirt roads didn't really prepare us.
As to tail-gating, there is nothing I hate more. We viewed dozens of videos during our training of fatalities caused because of it, being called out to deal MVA's caused mostly because the driver in front panicked and made a decision that was often fatal - so needless. When I see it on the road it gets me instantly angry. It's stupid, aggressive, bullying and most often the tail-gaiter is an asshole who cares nothing for others on the road. I absolutely hate it - anything done to stop these bullies is, imo, a good thing.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Or to flip someone off or try to cut in front of them. Someone is in the left lane but it's not fast enough? Then keep your distance and pass when it is safe. No one is entitled to the left lane. It is a passing lane but if the person in the left lane is essentially doing the speed limit there's no legitimate reason to complain and never any right to behave as this man did.
Yeah, the lady is a jerk for enjoying his rage fest.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts) 
polichick
(37,626 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)
except the guy (also in a big pick-up) passed a stream of cars on the right and then swerved into the left lane and slammed on his brakes - on I-95.
It was a miracle that everyone in our lane was able to slow down quick enough to prevent a crash. I'd never seen anyone actually try to cause an accident before.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)truck and slowly passing two other trucks. Slowly passing because my truck was governed to run top speed 68 mph. The speed limit was 65 for trucks. This guy flew up behind me and started swerving back and forth. I knew he was back there and I couldn't go any faster. The guy lost his patience and passed the two trucks that I was passing in the emergency lane. Then he swerved all the way to the left lane in front of me and slammed his brakes. Not wanting to kill this idiot I drove my truck into the middle. I have no respect for people who are defending this idiot in this thread!
polichick
(37,626 posts)There's a growing aggression out there these days - scary!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)someone is going a little slower than they are, they still have the right to be in that lane as they do! They need to learn to have patience or stop driving period!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)gives an idea of the road area where he swerved around her on the rain-soaked street
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)he probably lost his driving privileges for a period of time! Tailgating fool deserves everything they throw at him!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)I am not going to defend the guys driving - he was an asshole, but why would you say he would lose his driving privileges if he had a CDL?
If he could get it out of there before any cops showed up, he wouldn't get any ticket at all. If they did show up, he might get a careless driving ticket, which doesn't look good either way, but it isn't necessarily a deal breaker.
It's lucky no one else was coming and he didn't hit anyone, but still....he spun out in the wet. It happens. If the cops got there before he was able to leave, a lot would depend on how he handled it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:49 AM - Edit history (1)
and careless driving. The latter charge is 6 points alone if he has a CDL. Leaving the scene of an accident when he clearly damaged a light pole is another very serious violation and another 6 points. Add that up and you have 12 points. Not sure how many points you get for not wearing a seat belt, but you can add that to the total too!
tabasco
(22,974 posts)here in West Virginia.
egduj
(881 posts)Both assholes.
Exactly.