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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 06:51 AM Mar 2014

Jimmy Carter comes out in favor of Medicare for All

The Diane Rehm Show
March 26, 2014
President Jimmy Carter: "A Call To Action"

Diane Rehm: Briefly, how do you feel about the Affordable Care Act?

President Jimmy Carter: I was disappointed the way it was done and the complexity that it assumed. Instead of taking a leadership role from the White House and saying, “This is what we think is best,” they had five different congressional committees do it and it got, I think, the lowest common denominator, which is the most complex system. I would really have favored just the expansion of Medicare to include all ages, rather than just to deal with old people.

Video (38 second clip of quote above; also full 51 minute video):
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-03-26/president-jimmy-carter-call-action


Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP: Characterizing the Affordable Care Act as “the lowest common denominator - the most complex system,” President Jimmy Carter tells us that he would have favored “the expansion of Medicare to include all ages.”

He’s right, and here’s why. There have been numerous analyses of multiple models of reform. Most of them have included a model that would build on our private insurance system and expand Medicaid, just as is found in the Affordable Care Act. Of these analyses, this is the most expensive model and it falls short on important goals such as universality, equity, administrative efficiency, and affordability.

In contrast, single payer is the least expensive of the effective models and achieves virtually all of the goals of reform. An improved version of Medicare that is expanded to include everyone would be such a model. A health service model - socialized medicine - would also work, but the nation is still too leery of that much government involvement. The popularity of Medicare indicates that this is about the level of government involvement that most would support.

We have to keep reminding Americans that the exchanges are marketing private insurance - not government insurance, so they cannot confuse a government exchange with government insurance. In fact, the exchanges are prohibited from even including a government “public option” (which wouldn’t have worked anyway since the rest of the fragmented, dysfunctional system would have been left in place). Those who defend the private Medicare Advantage plans have to be reminded that they burn up more taxpayer dollars for administration and profits while depriving patients of choice because of their limited networks of providers. Once payment between government Medicare and private Medicare Advantage is equalized, the the private insurers cannot possibly compete with the government program because of their inherent inefficiencies. This was already proven by the failure of the Medicare + Choice plans that preceded Medicare Advantage.

It’s too bad that Jimmy Carter didn’t start talking about Medicare for all when he was president. It might have been helpful if the public had had a few decades to think about it before we got to the point that legislation could be passed. They could have pressured the politicians to do it right.

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Jimmy Carter comes out in favor of Medicare for All (Original Post) eridani Mar 2014 OP
I wonder if he had brought this up in 1976-1980 yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #1
Not sure--but it would have started a discussion at least n/t eridani Mar 2014 #2
Your right yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #3
Jimmy Carter was elected at the wrong time. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #4
Jimmy Carter was the right man at the right time for the wrong people at the wrong point Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #6
The stars weren't aligned for Carter back then. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #11
I said that Jimmy Carter would end up being one of our best Presidents back then and I Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #17
I think he was a bit too much of a micromanager. However-- eridani Mar 2014 #21
He talked about energy, and we're still poisoning ourselves with fossil fuels. Loudly Mar 2014 #5
Kick for President Carter's wisdom. Scuba Mar 2014 #7
Great to hear! cprise Mar 2014 #8
In 20 years, Obama will say he was for it all along BlueStreak Mar 2014 #14
And yes, Obama has already said he was for single payer thesquanderer Mar 2014 #19
So his double-speak is 20 years early BlueStreak Mar 2014 #20
Um, Ted Kennedy ran against Pres Carter in 1980 on this platform yardwork Mar 2014 #9
And Allard Lowenstein supported him for it. You want to talk about a hero. Allard Lowenstein! Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #12
Ted Kennedy and Pres Carter were more rivials than anything else Iliyah Mar 2014 #18
We need to un-privatize healthcare. Period. ReRe Mar 2014 #10
+1000. nt antigop Mar 2014 #13
I'm interested to see the reaction to this thread Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #15
K&R. Overseas Mar 2014 #16
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I wonder if he had brought this up in 1976-1980
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 06:54 AM
Mar 2014

we would have medicare for all. I think it is POSSIBLE that it would have passed back then. Even the Republicans back then seemed somewhat normal (until Reagan).

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Your right
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:06 AM
Mar 2014

And we could have had single payer by now. The tea party was not even there in those years and the Republicans that were "normal" are Democrats today so I think it is almost for sure a possibility. Lost opportunities. I don't blame President Carter, but just saying that it could have been...

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
6. Jimmy Carter was the right man at the right time for the wrong people at the wrong point
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:49 AM
Mar 2014

in history. Carter was viewed as an outsider southern boob and it tanked him from day one.

Carter will be treated very kindly by history.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
17. I said that Jimmy Carter would end up being one of our best Presidents back then and I
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:05 AM
Mar 2014

stick by it now. He was working at 6 a.m. every morning while Reagan slept all of the time. He was all about energy conservation and the environment. Now that we are face-to-face with Climate Change we wished that we had listened more to that country bumpkin!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
21. I think he was a bit too much of a micromanager. However--
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:36 PM
Mar 2014

--I think he's easily the best ex-president that the US has ever had in any century. Though I do admire Adams for serving in the House after his presidential term.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
5. He talked about energy, and we're still poisoning ourselves with fossil fuels.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 07:46 AM
Mar 2014

Same problem with health care.

Profit being extracted from the hides of the working class without commensurate benefit.

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
19. And yes, Obama has already said he was for single payer
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:51 AM
Mar 2014


and



so he would be justified in making that claim.

Arguably, he is doing now what people are saying they wish Carter had done when he was president... setting the stage for something that will happen 20, 30 years from now.

You have to start somewhere. Do people really think we could have realistically gotten single payer instead of the ACA? With all the lobbying clout the health industries have? And with all the issues that such a massive fast transition would entail? And with all the voter transition fears that Obama--perhaps unfortunately--tried to allay with "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it"?
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
20. So his double-speak is 20 years early
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:20 AM
Mar 2014

You cannot be "for it" and also take it off the table before there is any discussion. Sorry, he cannot have both those positions. Actions speak louder than words.

yardwork

(61,533 posts)
9. Um, Ted Kennedy ran against Pres Carter in 1980 on this platform
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:11 AM
Mar 2014

Carter could have embraced universal healthcare at the time. He did not. I didn't agree with the Dems primarying their own sitting president in 1980- it got us Reagan - but it sounds like Carter finally agrees with Kennedy on this. Where was the Dem leadership all these years?

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
12. And Allard Lowenstein supported him for it. You want to talk about a hero. Allard Lowenstein!
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:31 AM
Mar 2014

My favorite singer of all time, Harry Chapin, mentioned him in a live album before singing "remember when the music," which was written about allard lowenstein.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
18. Ted Kennedy and Pres Carter were more rivials than anything else
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

and if it was not for that I believe "universal healthcare" would have been a reality maybe in Pres Carter's 2nd term but the tragic event during the hostage situation propelled Reagan for the win. Today, President Carter is considered one of the road scholars of presidents with genuine compassion for his fellow man/women.

He did a interview with Bill Maher several years ago I believe. President Carter is one of the best Presidents the USA ever had.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
10. We need to un-privatize healthcare. Period.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:12 AM
Mar 2014

The private insurance industry failed. Think how many people have died in the last 40 years as the cost of healthcare went up decade after decade. Capitalism failed, as a matter of fact. Wages went down down down while the cost of living just kept going up up up. And here we are. American dream a thing of the past.

And all this business about "the perfect being the enemy of the good." That's a capitalism cop-out. I'm thrilled that 6 million uninsured have obtained insurance and that ins companies can no longer deny people with pre-existing conditions. But when we started all this, 45 million were without insurance. That means 39 million are still under-insured or uninsured. What about them? We need to make it possible for everyone to obtain healthcare. Not ONE person should go without healthcare or should lose their house and home in order to get it.

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