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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 01:17 PM Dec 2011

Not Once.

All morning I've been listening to the House debate on the payroll tax holiday extension. And though dems have said some good things, not once, not one single time by one single member of Congress did I hear anyone speak of the poor or the working poor, just endlessly going on about the middle class and the elderly. It paints a vivid picture of how we view the poor in this country: As Unmentionable, as Unspeakable, as Shameful, as Fearful, as Hateful. This at a time when 48% of us are poor or "low wage".

Houston, we have a problem.

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Not Once. (Original Post) cali Dec 2011 OP
cali, the poor don't matter to them Autumn Dec 2011 #1
If poor people would vote a s a bloc, this would never happen. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #2
More accurately: The Doctor. Dec 2011 #7
Disenfranchised groups (such as the poor) redqueen Dec 2011 #8
Considering what has ... 99Forever Dec 2011 #11
"if poor people would ________" yodermon Dec 2011 #12
thank you for that reply fascisthunter Dec 2011 #16
I've been poor most of my life. Try not to make assumptions. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #25
I wish I could recommend your reply. smokey nj Dec 2011 #20
all it takes is a vote. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #24
K'd & R'd DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #3
Agreed. This is a serious problem. k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2011 #4
To the one-percenters and their lackeys, the rest of us *are* the poor. Orsino Dec 2011 #5
We do not exist to them. Fuck the Establishment, it needs to go. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #6
When you haven't seen a paycheck or... 99Forever Dec 2011 #9
This country only cares about the middle class and that is why most Americans, who have jobs and Cleita Dec 2011 #10
"the middle class and the elderly" are reliable voters cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #13
The middle class and the elderly ARE poor. This is some pretty wierd divide and conquer McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #14
huh? cali Dec 2011 #18
sorry to hear things are so tough for you, Cali bigtree Dec 2011 #19
I love Capitalism. I have always loved Capitalism. txlibdem Dec 2011 #15
are you serious, when you say you love our current system of government? fascisthunter Dec 2011 #17
Enjoy your chains. n/t blindpig Dec 2011 #23
The last time "The Poor" were mentioned by our Washington Politicians... bvar22 Dec 2011 #21
People avoid thinking of themselves as poor - Poor are "other people" ehrnst Dec 2011 #22
They work for the 1% NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #26
This is so sadly true. ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #27

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
1. cali, the poor don't matter to them
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 01:18 PM
Dec 2011

they don't exist in their world and they are doing nothing to help the elderly.

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
2. If poor people would vote a s a bloc, this would never happen.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 01:20 PM
Dec 2011

Unfortunately, most of the rural poor have been subverted by the GOP via social issues.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
7. More accurately:
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:22 PM
Dec 2011

By the corporate owned Media and GOP in order to keep the people divided.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
8. Disenfranchised groups (such as the poor)
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:25 PM
Dec 2011

are far less likely to vote. They get the sense that their concerns won't ever be addressed, so they think it's pointless, so they don't bother. And various forms of social media back up their beliefs, repeating the mantra that it doesn't matter, and that no matter who gets elected nothing will ever change.

Despite the fact that this isn't the case (significant change is glacially slow, but quite obviously has happened), people stay home in droves. Result? Certain issues are underrepresented, and change is slowed even more.

It's a vicious cycle.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. Considering what has ...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:58 PM
Dec 2011

... happened in the recent past to the less fortunate, as compared to the very privileged, it's pretty damn clear our concerns AREN'T ever going to addressed. Not by "the system" in place at this time, "voting" and even working our asses off within "the system" have afforded almost no relief. The view from the bottom isn't pretty and it seems NO ONE that could help, cares a wit about fixing it.

I'll vote, but only selectively.

yodermon

(6,153 posts)
12. "if poor people would ________"
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 06:10 PM
Dec 2011

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. If you're poor, you're trying to earn enough to even EAT (and other basic necessities).
Political organization takes time, $$, etc.
which of course is perfectly fine for the 1%.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
16. thank you for that reply
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:36 PM
Dec 2011

So often do I read assumptions made about the poor without really knowing or realizing what they go through.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
5. To the one-percenters and their lackeys, the rest of us *are* the poor.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:16 PM
Dec 2011

We are in their way.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. When you haven't seen a paycheck or...
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:34 PM
Dec 2011

.. an Unemployment Benefit for a year or two, it gives you a whole new perspective how easily our "elected" officials can ignore you and your plight. The poor and the desperate have no representation in Washington DC. We don't even rate lip service any more. It frightens me to consider where this Nation is headed. What an awful legacy we are leaving for our grandchildren and beyond.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. This country only cares about the middle class and that is why most Americans, who have jobs and
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:36 PM
Dec 2011

are able to make their ends meet, ignore the homeless and those "down on their luck" or unable to care for themselves. The fact that the homeless, addicts and others without recourse have been descending on the Occupy camps and are giving the Republicans fodder to criticize the the encampments shows that even the people whose hearts and minds are mostly in the right place are reluctantly including these people in the movement but actually wish they would go away. The fact that we have this whole demography among us that in South America would be called the shirtless ones or descamisados points starkly to the fact that they are the very symptoms of what is wrong with this country, yet it's the middle class that is being referenced and no one else, who really could use societal help to be reintroduced into the mainstream as productive citizens of this country and therefore consumers not only helping the middle class but the rich as well.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
13. "the middle class and the elderly" are reliable voters
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 06:13 PM
Dec 2011

And, of course, economic down-turns do tend to have the demonization of the poor as a cultural feature.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
14. The middle class and the elderly ARE poor. This is some pretty wierd divide and conquer
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:19 PM
Dec 2011

you have going here, pitting the "poor" against the folks who can not afford their rent, their meds, their food---in other words, the poor.

It smacks of those who claim that Americans should not complain---at least they are not Somalians.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. huh?
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:46 PM
Dec 2011

what the heck? I'm dividing and conquering. And no, the middle class are not poor in the sense of homeless are people like me who depend on the food shelf to supplement their food stamps. I keep the heat at 55. And due to an accident I had in September, my situation is even more perilous. The fact is that middle class in NOT same thing as being poor. It's just not. And YOU should know that.

you have a lot of nerve accusing me of pitting the poor against anyone.

txlibdem

(6,183 posts)
15. I love Capitalism. I have always loved Capitalism.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:34 PM
Dec 2011

I love our current system of government.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. The last time "The Poor" were mentioned by our Washington Politicians...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 12:11 AM
Dec 2011

...was the day John Edwards withdrew from Campaign 2008.
I KNOW you hated him,
but I give him credit (warts and all) for at least standing UP FRONT in our Party and calling attention to the plight of The Poor in America.

K&R




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. People avoid thinking of themselves as poor - Poor are "other people"
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:25 AM
Dec 2011

Even if they are scraping by - people want to think of themselves as middle class, because there is a stigma of failure attached to "poor."

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
26. They work for the 1%
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 12:07 PM
Dec 2011

and view the poor as a scourge on America who would be better off dead....all in good time.

ChadwickHenryWard

(862 posts)
27. This is so sadly true.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 12:24 PM
Dec 2011

Everything revolves around lip service to the middle class. It's as though compassion for the poor is unseemly.

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