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kpete

(72,026 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:18 AM Apr 2014

Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan INVESTS in Contraception Manufacturers

Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare's contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.
—By Molly Redden | Tue Apr. 1, 2014 3:00 AM PDT



Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).

Several of the mutual funds in Hobby Lobby's retirement plan have holdings in companies that manufacture the specific drugs and devices that the Green family, which owns Hobby Lobby, is fighting to keep out of Hobby Lobby's health care policies: the emergency contraceptive pills Plan B and Ella, and copper and hormonal intrauterine devices.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

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Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan INVESTS in Contraception Manufacturers (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
That's interesting el_bryanto Apr 2014 #1
If my company was loudly banging the drum about supporting "green" enterprises mac56 Apr 2014 #3
That's a fair point. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #5
but Mr Lobby is supposed to be all about Christian ethics, not money bluemarkers Apr 2014 #7
You might be right there el_bryanto Apr 2014 #8
Pretzel Logic n2doc Apr 2014 #9
Hobby Lobby China ethics Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2014 #12
One child policy antiquie Apr 2014 #16
Ha ha! I was just thinking, "how truly Christian can they be?" MatthewStLouis Apr 2014 #20
And that would be the China... Grins Apr 2014 #17
Well said. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #36
How Republicon is that? Berlum Apr 2014 #2
Well, well, well. 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #4
FABULOUS Triana Apr 2014 #6
they'll likely try to get rid of those PatrynXX Apr 2014 #10
They'll have a harder time getting rid of their one-child-policy, abortion loving, contraception MADem Apr 2014 #32
love it hibbing Apr 2014 #11
Aside from the hypocrisy, tea and oranges Apr 2014 #13
tea and oranges kpete Apr 2014 #15
Typical. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #14
Good find. I believe this proves them to be liars, and that their lawsuit is not about religious GoneFishin Apr 2014 #18
Well said. spooky3 Apr 2014 #25
Holder dismissed their 'alleged religious beliefs' showing their true motives - money: freshwest Apr 2014 #37
It's like Romney investing in the medical waste company that services abortion clinics. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #19
Before their lawsuit, their health care plan PROVIDED for what benld74 Apr 2014 #21
Kick n/t Tx4obama Apr 2014 #22
This is all about wingnuts using their corporation as a piggy bank for their anti-Obama politics. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #23
I take it we're not talking about aspirin here? Zambero Apr 2014 #24
And they call themselves Christians. Iliyah Apr 2014 #26
this is why I love mojo Doctor_J Apr 2014 #27
They are saying they do not want the insurance for their employees to purchase Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #28
One more thing that shows the truth about their supposed "sincere" beliefs. drm604 Apr 2014 #29
It is apparently God Like to make money off of such things, but NOT NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #30
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONE blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #31
I'm hoping at least one justice Ilsa Apr 2014 #33
If they actually read their Bibles CFLDem Apr 2014 #34
No hypocrisy at all you can make all the contraceptives you want you just can't use them. Leontius Apr 2014 #35

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. That's interesting
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:27 AM
Apr 2014

I don't know how they could get around that - there are Mutual Funds set up to be run along "christian" principals i.e. no contraceptives or porn or anything like that. But they aren't competitive, compared to funds that are open to anyone.

But how would you feel if your company discontinued most mutual funds and replaced them with all "green" mutual funds, that performed slightly under regular funds, but avoided investing in securities of companies that were major polluters?

Bryant

mac56

(17,574 posts)
3. If my company was loudly banging the drum about supporting "green" enterprises
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:38 AM
Apr 2014

and working openly to promote them, I would expect no less in in their selection of mutual funds. YMMV.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. That's a fair point.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:46 AM
Apr 2014

And a company who did that would have to accept that a certain number of talented people wouldn't be willing to sacrifice their financial benefit to work at a "green" company. Truthfully Hobby Lobby should have a similar problem.

Bryant

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
7. but Mr Lobby is supposed to be all about Christian ethics, not money
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
Apr 2014

and let's not forget that Mr Lobby also imports all that cheap crap from China, and we we how The Communist Government there follows Christian ethics

I really wouldn't be surprised if SCOTUS rules in favor of Mr Lobby (he's such a fine fellow), but I've read several articles lately that Follow the Money. Apparently reconnecting actual people to Hobby Lobby would skirt around many protections of incorporation. Money > God to these gopers, so I really wouldn't be surprised if SCOTUS ruled against Mr Lobby.

I guess part of my brain is still in shock that rwnjs are even forcing this discussion on us. otoh, I feel the tea party's main objective was to divide and conquer ... have to give them props for that.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. You might be right there
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
Apr 2014

Although there were indications last week they were looking to rule favorably for hobby lobby but in a very very narrow way, which might be having their cake and eating it too.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. Pretzel Logic
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:34 AM
Apr 2014

I'm certain the wingnuts on the SCOTUS can come up with a suitably tortured legal reason to allow HL to drop coverage because of its "beliefs", yet still be protected in all other ways. Just like Bush v. Gore 2000.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
16. One child policy
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014
In June 2012 Feng Jianmei was forcibly made to abort her 7 month old fetus after not paying a fine for breaking the one-child policy. source

MatthewStLouis

(904 posts)
20. Ha ha! I was just thinking, "how truly Christian can they be?"
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:46 PM
Apr 2014

They are all just a bunch of right-wing hypocrites.

It is likely all the products they sell (which their sanctimonious customers purchase) are made in China: A communist country that sanctions forced abortions.


Grins

(7,239 posts)
17. And that would be the China...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

That has enforced 1-child laws and has one of the highest rates of contraceptive use in the world.

That tacky crap you can buy at Hobby Lobby is mostly made in China, crap that China's government will tax in some form. In effect, Hobby Lobby's buying from China supports China's 1-child and contraceptive policies. It pays for those policies. And American who buy at H-L also support those policies.

And H-L will continue to buy from China, 'cuz profits mean more than sweet, sweet, Jebus.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. They'll have a harder time getting rid of their one-child-policy, abortion loving, contraception
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 02:07 AM
Apr 2014

using (and human-rights abusing) suppliers!

That's the next focus should they actually try to pull that shit! Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas, and all... (no disrespect to dogs, mind you).

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
11. love it
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

Thanks for finding this and posting it. This case scares the heck out of me, but as usual, money trumps any kind of "morals".

Peace

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
13. Aside from the hypocrisy,
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:36 AM
Apr 2014

the anti-woman agenda, the belief that xtian values trumps law, what really gets me is this new focus on emotion in law.

Stand your ground is based on the emotion of fear. Give me a break & prove the fear...

Hobby Lobby is based on "sincerely held religious beliefs". Ok, prove the sincerity...

The direction these laws take us is scaring the crap out of me! Who is allowed to have these emotions? How can they be judged? After all, Fred Phelps was sincere about his hateful beliefs, the KKK is now billing themselves as a xtian organization.

If Hobby Lobby has it's way, the ramifications could be horrific.

kpete

(72,026 posts)
15. tea and oranges
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:41 AM
Apr 2014
If Hobby Lobby has it's way, the ramifications could be horrific.

you are SO correct!


peace, kp

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
18. Good find. I believe this proves them to be liars, and that their lawsuit is not about religious
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:25 PM
Apr 2014

convictions. It is just a handy excuse to hide whatever their true motives are.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. Holder dismissed their 'alleged religious beliefs' showing their true motives - money:
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:30 AM
Apr 2014
The Justice Department brief, authorized by Attorney General Eric Holder, emphasizes that the company formerly allowed “preventive services” within employee health insurance plans, dismissing the “alleged religious beliefs” of the company’s owners...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024741559#post14

It was never about anything but money. Christians need to realize they have been conned by the right.

Zambero

(8,974 posts)
24. I take it we're not talking about aspirin here?
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 06:37 PM
Apr 2014

So "religious freedom" essentially means being able to interfere with the free choice of others, while making financial gains from the very products whose availability would be interfering with said religious freedom. You really can't make this stuff up.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
28. They are saying they do not want the insurance for their employees to purchase
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

Birth control but it is okay to purchase Viagra. It is okay for them to make money investing in companies who sells the products but the products are against their religious beliefs, yep, think I understand.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
29. One more thing that shows the truth about their supposed "sincere" beliefs.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:24 PM
Apr 2014

This is about attacking President Obama and his signature achievement.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
34. If they actually read their Bibles
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:24 AM
Apr 2014

they would know there is nothing Jesus despises more than a hypocrite.

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